Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wikipedia & Tor]

2005-09-28 Thread R.A. Hettinga
Speaking of "pseudonymity"... At 12:53 PM -0400 9/27/05, Somebody wrote: > >Argh! Not this again! Yes, again, and I'll keep repeating it until you get it. :-). >No, "anonymity" is "don't know who sent it". For some definitions of "who". To paraphrase a famous sink-washing president, it depends

Re: /. [How Chinese Evade Government's Web Controls]

2005-09-28 Thread Peter Thoenen
Chinese Web Controls and Tor ... a subject I happen to have close personal experience with. Just took a three week vacation to Dali, China and after hitting the Great Firewall of China (tm), hopped over to the eff site, downloaded tor and privoxy, and 10 minutes later was up and running bypassing

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wikipedia & Tor]

2005-09-28 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
Quoting "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > At 8:43 AM -0700 9/27/05, James A. Donald wrote: > >In the long run, reliable pseudonymity will prove more > >valuable than reliable anonymity. > > Amen. And, at the extreme end of the curve, perfect psedudonymity *is* > perfect anonymity. > > "Charac

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Wikipedia & Tor]

2005-09-28 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 8:37 PM -0400 9/27/05, lists wrote: > Building a TOR nymspace would be much more >interesting and distributed. Since the first time I met Dingledine, he was talking pseudonymity, bigtime. I was curious when he went to play with onion routers, but maybe I'm not so surprised anymore... Cheers, R

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

2005-09-28 Thread Tyler Durden
Dont' agree here... From: Steve Furlong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia] Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:41:34 -0400 On 9/28/05, Roy M. Silvernail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A Wikiwhiner wrote > > I have valid

/. [How Chinese Evade Government's Web Controls]

2005-09-28 Thread Eugen Leitl
Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/27/1235203 Posted by: CmdrTaco, on 2005-09-27 13:37:00 [1]Carl Bialik from the WSJ writes "China is moving to 'centralize all China-based Web news and opinion under a state regulator,' the Wall Street Journal reports, but determined citizens

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Wikipedia & Tor]

2005-09-28 Thread lists
Tyler Durden wrote: Sorry...I don't understand...why would psuedonymity services be provided within Tor? I find the concept of having both pseudonymous and anonymous traffic through TOR quite interesting. In some cases, you really do wish to just separate yourself from your meatspace identity

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Wikipedia & Tor]

2005-09-28 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Roger Dingledine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Roger Dingledine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:54:38 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wikipedia & Tor User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 11:18:31AM -0400,

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Wikipedia & Tor]

2005-09-28 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
[yes, I know I'm preaching to the choir] > - Forwarded message from Roger Dingledine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > A potential for cooperation is the proposal below for authenticated > > access to Wikipedia through Tor. I will not speak to any particular > > design here, but if Wikipedia has

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

2005-09-28 Thread Steve Furlong
On 9/28/05, Roy M. Silvernail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A Wikiwhiner wrote > > I have valid although perhaps unpopular > > contributions to make, and not only is my freedom to express myself > > limited, the quality of the material on Wikipedia suffers due to the > > absence of my perspective.

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia]

2005-09-28 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
> - Forwarded message from cypherpunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > From: cypherpunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia > As an occasional Tor and Wikipedia user, let me add a couple of points. > > First, in case it is not obvious, the problem with the p

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Wikipedia & Tor]]]

2005-09-28 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
Quoting Alan Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Forwarded message from Jimmy Wales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > We are not looking for a perfect solution. Yes, Wikis will be > > vandalized. We're prepared to deal with that, we do deal with that. > > But what I am seeking is some efforts to

RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Wikipedia & Tor]

2005-09-28 Thread Tyler Durden
Sorry...I don't understand...why would psuedonymity services be provided within Tor? An external reputation/psuedonymity server would of course "reduce" a Tor users' anonymity to mere psuedonymity, but I don't see how it would do anything more, and who cares? If Wikipedia (or anyone) doesn't w

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wikipedia & Tor]

2005-09-28 Thread James A. Donald
-- From: "Tyler Durden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > A very subtle attack, perhaps? If I were so-and-so, I > consider it a real coup to stop the kinds of > legitimate Wikipedia entries that might be made from > Tor users. And if this is the case, you can bet that > there are other "o

Re: /. [How Chinese Evade Government's Web Controls]

2005-09-28 Thread Tyler Durden
What the heck are you doing there for three weeks? Buying some golden triangle goods? I hear it's beautiful, however, but it's not like you took a direct international flight there... -TD From: Peter Thoenen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Wikipedia & Tor]]]

2005-09-28 Thread Alan Barrett
> - Forwarded message from Jimmy Wales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > We are not looking for a perfect solution. Yes, Wikis will be > vandalized. We're prepared to deal with that, we do deal with that. > But what I am seeking is some efforts to think usefully about how to > helpfully reconcile o