Licensing of package nauty

2008-01-24 Thread bremner
Nauty [1] is pretty much the standard software for graph isomorphism testing, and is used by a several other pieces of research software (e.g. polymake, which I have ITPed [2]). Unfortunately from the Debian point of view, the distribution conditions are somewhat restrictive. Copyright

Re: [Fwd: Re: [gNewSense-users] PFV call for help.]

2008-01-24 Thread John Halton
On Jan 24, 2008 12:23 AM, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's still unfortunate to have confusing and unclear language in the licence, but it's not non-free. I'll reserve judgement until we can know that this claim of retain copyright is not all-inclusive. Well, as ever in these

Re: Licensing of package nauty

2008-01-24 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Thu Jan 24 09:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copyright (1984-2007) Brendan McKay. All rights reserved. Permission is hereby given for use and/or distribution with the exception of sale for profit or application with nontrivial military significance. You must

Re: Licensing of package nauty

2008-01-24 Thread John Halton
On Jan 24, 2008 8:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copyright (1984-2007) Brendan McKay. All rights reserved. Permission is hereby given for use and/or distribution with the exception of sale for profit or application with nontrivial military significance. This

Re: Licensing of package nauty

2008-01-24 Thread John Halton
On Jan 24, 2008 9:47 AM, Matthew Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks like it gives us permission to distribute it in non-free if you can get it licenced under a DFSG-compatible licence. I assume you mean if you *can't* get it licensed under a DFSG-compatible licence. On that basis, I

Re: web hosting providers' modified .debs

2008-01-24 Thread John Halton
On Jan 24, 2008 7:41 AM, Arnoud Engelfriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is actually a very intriguing question. If I have a shell account on someone's computer, and I can copy a binary that resides somewhere in /bin (or wherever), is the work being distributed to me? toad:~ ls -l /bin/ls

Re: web hosting providers' modified .debs

2008-01-24 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Thu Jan 24 11:37, John Halton wrote: It seems clear enough that the administrators of toad are propagating /bin/ls. And that propagation is one that enables other parties to make or receive copies. Nor is this mere interaction ... with no transfer of a copy - *running* /bin/ls would fit

Re: web hosting providers' modified .debs

2008-01-24 Thread John Halton
On Jan 24, 2008 11:41 AM, Matthew Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu Jan 24 11:37, John Halton wrote: It seems clear enough that the administrators of toad are propagating /bin/ls. And that propagation is one that enables other parties to make or receive copies. Nor is this mere

License compatibility with GPLv3

2008-01-24 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Hi, I have some small problem with Gnash that might be extensible to other packages, so I'm asking here to find out if anyone else has had that problem too and how did they manage it. Gnash is GNU's free Flash player. It is now licensed under GPLv3 (it was previously GPLv2 or above). It has a

Re: web hosting providers' modified .debs

2008-01-24 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Matthew Johnson wrote: On Thu Jan 24 11:37, John Halton wrote: It seems clear enough that the administrators of toad are propagating /bin/ls. And that propagation is one that enables other parties to make or receive copies. Nor is this mere interaction ... with no transfer of a copy -

Tshirt with the official logo

2008-01-24 Thread Mauro Lizaur
Hello there, I was looking for a tshirt and i saw this one [1] which has the official logo and afaik, these shirts just can be given as a pack with debian products or made by a DD (but can't be sold, though) (How) Should i ask politely to the people running this site/shop to remove the tshirt?

Re: Tshirt with the official logo

2008-01-24 Thread John Halton
On Jan 24, 2008 2:31 PM, Mauro Lizaur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (How) Should i ask politely to the people running this site/shop to remove the tshirt? Any advices would be great. i dont really want to send them an email with something like hey remove that tshirt because i say so ;) You could

Re: Licensing of package nauty

2008-01-24 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11274 March 1977, Matthew Johnson wrote: I can ask the author if would distribute under some DFSG free license, but in the case that he declines, is there any other clarification needed before it can be included in non-free? This looks like it gives us permission to distribute it in

Re: License compatibility with GPLv3

2008-01-24 Thread Sven Joachim
Hi Miriam, On 2008-01-24 13:49 +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: I have some small problem with Gnash that might be extensible to other packages, so I'm asking here to find out if anyone else has had that problem too and how did they manage it. Gnash is GNU's free Flash player. It is now licensed

Re: License compatibility with GPLv3

2008-01-24 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/1/24, Sven Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Miriam, You will be interested that Trolltech has released Qt 3.3.8 under GPL 3: Thanks, it really solves a great part of the problem, but I have no idea on how to check that there are no other GPLv2 only libraries directly or indirectly linked,

Re: web hosting providers' modified .debs

2008-01-24 Thread jidanni
Dear legal beagles, all I know is if one day I couldn't do [EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg -l apt-get --print-uris ... wget ... to examine the .debs that were Debian debs but slightly modified by Dreamhost (or other such web host), well that would mean the whole Free Software concept had come to a

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Re: web hosting providers' modified .debs

2008-01-24 Thread John Halton
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 03:33:34AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Dear legal beagles, please close this loophole, if any. As outlined previously in the discussion, I don't think there *is* a loophole here. Anyone using GPL v.3 software (which includes almost all GNU software issued since GPL

Re: web hosting providers' modified .debs

2008-01-24 Thread Ben Finney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So Dear legal beagles, please close this loophole, if any. To remove this misapprehension: debian-legal is a discussion forum only. We have no special power to *change* license terms. If there's a loophole, all we can do is expose it. Addressing the loophole will be

Re: web hosting providers' modified .debs

2008-01-24 Thread Ben Finney
John Halton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That said, I would be *delighted* if someone can show me where I've gone wrong in my analysis. I don't claim to be a world expert on GPL v.3! Here's a 2003 debian-legal discussion about the ASP loophole:

Re: License compatibility with GPLv3

2008-01-24 Thread Ben Finney
Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have no idea on how to check that there are no other GPLv2 only libraries directly or indirectly linked, apart from spending hours checking manually. This seems like an ideal case to promote the proposed format

Re: web hosting providers' modified .debs

2008-01-24 Thread John Halton
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 08:26:19AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Here's a 2003 debian-legal discussion about the ASP loophole: URL:http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/03/msg00755.html Thanks. The distinction here is that in the classic ASP loophole situation you are accessing the

Re: web hosting providers' modified .debs

2008-01-24 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Thu Jan 24 22:02, John Halton wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 08:26:19AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Here's a 2003 debian-legal discussion about the ASP loophole: URL:http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/03/msg00755.html (Incidentally, I'm assuming that the earlier suggestion of