Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-15 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/13 Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:36:54 -0500 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: >> I have been interpreting the AGPL, and so far have not been challenged >> on this interpretation, that these additional costs can be transferred >> onto

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-11 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/11 MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So in case this is an unreasonable burden, the GPL *and* AGPL provide >> other ways to convey source, like CDs. > > How would that satisfy section 13? A C

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-10 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/10 Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> 2008/9/10 Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> And I

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-10 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/10 Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> And I argue that this extra cost is no greater than the cost of >> providing the network interface that's triggering this clause in the >> firs

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-10 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/10 MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What's so non-free about requiring the same network that's providing >> the interface to somehow and vaguely facilitate the conveying of the >> so

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-09 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/8 Bernhard R. Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * Joachim Breitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080907 19:57]: >> Hmmm, let???s see: If some company takes a hypothetical AGPL-licensed >> variant of OpenOffice, improves it heavily and incompatibly, and it >> becomes the new de-facto standard for office doc

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-03 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
y not covered by clause 13. > On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:27:14 -0500 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: > >> Also, instead of providing a link to where the source can be found, >> the embedded device's network interface could say "contact this >> person, this group, meet

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-03 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/3 Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/9/3 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>>> I don't see a conflict with the dissident test either; [...] >>> >>> I'm not sure it does either, although I note that both Savannah

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-03 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/3 MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 2008/9/2 MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > "Would a licence that required me to give a copy of the source at my >> > expense if I let

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/3 Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, 03 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: > >> I swear I'm not being purposely dense, but I honestly don't understand >> how this is any different than the way Debian handles distributing >> so

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/3 Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, 03 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: >> > The AGPL requires access to source to occur at the time of use, >> > which is more difficult. >> >> Why? You just have to put a link somewhere "

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/3 Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, 02 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: >> You don't have to give source to every user of your software, only >> to those who ask. > > The GPL allows us to provide equivalent access to the source as we do >

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/2 MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Would a licence that required me to give a copy of the source at my > expense if I let someone use the application on my laptop meet the > DFSG?" Why is this a question that matters for the AGPL? Are you saying that the condition of distributing source ov

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/1 Christofer C. Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The AGPLv3 requires you to re-export that code in the event that you > modify server software using it -- even if exporting crypto is illegal > for you. This is not an issue. A license can't force you to do something that contradicts a higher law.

"All rights reserved" notice in LGPLed code

2008-02-02 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
I was looking at the TinyMCE code distributed by Debian, and I noticed that some of the source files say "all rights reserved", while others don't have a copyright notice at all. They include a copy of the LGPL version 2.1 in their distribution, but there is no clear indication of this applies to

Re: JOGL in Debian

2007-12-30 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 30/12/2007, Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jordi Guti?rrez Hermoso wrote: > > A lot of other local laws don't define "intellectual property", but > > people use the term anyways as if it were legally defined. It's sad > > news to see that France does and that other laws are also

Re: JOGL in Debian

2007-12-30 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 29/12/2007, Sylvestre Ledru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:20:14 -0600, "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Does French law define "intellectual property"? What does it define it to > > be?

Re: JOGL in Debian

2007-12-29 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 07/12/2007, Sylvestre Ledru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it has been > designed for the french (and european) law which is quite specific about > intellectual property. Does French law define "intellectual property"? What does it define it to be? - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [

Re: GFDL and cover texts

2007-08-07 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 07/08/07, Joe Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > >But we can't modify the COPYING file in a source tarball, and that's > >ok. Why isn't a cover text like "a

Re: GFDL and cover texts

2007-08-07 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 06/08/07, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The position statement and the vote all conflate invariant sections > > with cover texts and dedications as if exactly the same arguments > > ag

Re: GFDL and cover texts

2007-08-07 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 07/08/07, Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11104 March 1977, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: > : Why are three words enough to make thousands upon thousands > > of words nonfree? > > Because it is non-free. > Compare with a source tarball, where one coul

Re: GFDL and cover texts

2007-08-06 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 06/08/07, Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2007-06-08 at 08:58 -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: > > Can I get an explanation of why Debian considers a GFDL manual with > > cover texts non-free? > > http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Posi

GFDL and cover texts

2007-08-06 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
Can I get an explanation of why Debian considers a GFDL manual with cover texts non-free? For fuck's sakes... what's the big deal with a couple of unmodifiable sentences? - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Why is firebird in Debian?

2007-07-20 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 20/07/07, Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ATATIAAWBI, bla, bla, ... WTFOMGBTWBBQ? - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]