Re: Guang Dong Certificate Authority (GDCA) root inclusion request

2016-10-31 Thread Peter Bowen
On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 11:34 PM, wrote: > wangs...@gmail.com於 2016年10月31日星期一 UTC+8下午2時22分05秒寫道: >> 在 2016年10月28日星期五 UTC+8上午8:19:43,Percy写道: >> > "When facing any requirements of laws and regulations or any demands for >> > undergoing legal >> > process of court and other agencies, GDCA must pro

Re: Cerificate Concern about Cloudflare's DNS

2016-11-02 Thread Peter Bowen
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Tom Ritter wrote: > On 2 November 2016 at 09:44, Jakob Bohm wrote: >> The only thing that might be a CA / BR issue would be this: > > There's been (some) mention that even if a user moves off Cloudflare, > the CA is not obligated to revoke. I don't agree with that

Re: Cerificate Concern about Cloudflare's DNS

2016-11-02 Thread Peter Bowen
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Jakob Bohm wrote: > On 02/11/2016 17:08, Peter Bowen wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Tom Ritter wrote: >>> >>> On 2 November 2016 at 09:44, Jakob Bohm wrote: >>>> >>>> The only thing that mi

Re: Update on transition of the Verizon roots and issuance of SHA1 certificates

2016-11-03 Thread Peter Bowen
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Jeremy Rowley wrote: > This email is intended to gather public and browser feedback on how we are > handling the transitioning Verizon's customers to DigiCert and share with > everyone the plan for when all non-DigiCert hosted sub CAs will be fully > compliant with

Re: SHA-1 issuances in 2016 That Chain to Mozilla Roots

2016-11-05 Thread Peter Bowen
> On Nov 5, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > On Saturday, November 5, 2016 at 2:06:00 AM UTC-7, Gervase Markham wrote: >> On 04/11/16 21:23, Ryan Sleevi wrote: >>> If there's concerns about GAs - would it be best to reply on this thread or >>> start a new one per-CA? >> >> If there's m

Re: Action on undisclosed intermediates

2016-11-08 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > Of course, if intermediates aren't disclosed, we can't be certain what > they are, but crt.sh has a good idea of many of them: > https://crt.sh/mozilla-disclosures#undisclosed > > There is also a list on that page of certs which CAs have dis

Re: Action on undisclosed intermediates

2016-11-08 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On 08/11/16 16:53, Peter Bowen wrote: >> Can the "undisclosed" list be broken down further into "CA not >> disclosed at all" versus "missing disclosure of some >> cross-c

Re: Action on undisclosed intermediates

2016-11-08 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > On 08/11/16 18:25, Peter Bowen wrote: >> No, the problem is that the Issuer reported their subCA but Salesforce >> links the audit info to certificates not to CAs. In the above >> example, there are three different

Re: Can we require id-kp-serverAuth now?

2016-11-09 Thread Peter Bowen
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:58 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > So, it is now possible to change Firefox to mandate the presence of > id-kp-serverAuth for EE server certs from Mozilla-trusted roots? Or is > there some reason I've missed we can't do that? Here are some certs that appear to be for server

Re: Can we require id-kp-serverAuth now?

2016-11-09 Thread Peter Bowen
is, either the CAB Forum should define all certs with anyEKU, > serverAuth or no EKU as in scope of the BRs or the browsers should require > an EKU to function. > > -Original Message- > From: dev-security-policy > [mailto:dev-security-policy-bounces+jeremy.rowley=digice

Proposal to define applicability of BRs and expectations of CAs

2016-11-10 Thread Peter Bowen
Given that there is a lack of clarity on when the CABF BRs apply, and that applicability of the BRs is outside the scope of the BRs, I propose the following text to clarify and help CAs understand the expectations of operating a publicly trusted CA. Thanks, Peter Requirements for a CA in the WebP

Re: Proposal to define applicability of BRs and expectations of CAs

2016-11-11 Thread Peter Bowen
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:03 AM, Dimitris Zacharopoulos wrote: > (something weird happened in the reply all. Re-sending). > > On 11/11/2016 3:45 μμ, Gervase Markham wrote: >> >> On 11/11/16 13:26, Dimitris Zacharopoulos wrote: >>> >>> Although this is very helpful so that people can better underst

Re: Proposal to define applicability of BRs and expectations of CAs

2016-11-11 Thread Peter Bowen
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 4:42 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On 11/11/16 01:42, Peter Bowen wrote: >> Given that there is a lack of clarity on when the CABF BRs apply, and >> that applicability of the BRs is outside the scope of the BRs, I >> propose the fo

Re: Action on undisclosed intermediates

2016-11-12 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > I'd like to take some action about persistent failures to properly > disclose intermediates. The deadline for this was June, and CAs have had > a number of reminders, so there's no excuse. > > Of course, if intermediates aren't disclosed, we

Re: Technically Constrained Sub-CAs

2016-11-14 Thread Peter Bowen
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > > If this is the only privacy mechanism available for 6962bis, I suspect > we will see a lot more TCSCs about, particularly if CAs figure out ways > to mint them at scale within the letter of the BRs and other requirements. It is very easy

Re: Technically Constrained Sub-CAs

2016-11-14 Thread Peter Bowen
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:14 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > On 14/11/16 14:00, Peter Bowen wrote: >> It is very easy to mint TCSCs at scale without violating the letter or >> the spirit of the BRs and other requirements. > > I guess I didn't mean to imply that it was

Re: Technically Constrained Sub-CAs

2016-11-14 Thread Peter Bowen
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Jakob Bohm wrote: > On 14/11/2016 16:31, Peter Bowen wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:14 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: >>> >>> On 14/11/16 14:00, Peter Bowen wrote: >>>> >>>> It is very easy to min

Upcoming removals report

2016-11-14 Thread Peter Bowen
Is there a CSV version of the upcoming root removals report? https://mozillacaprogram.secure.force.com/CA/UpcomingRootRemovalsReport Thanks, Peter ___ dev-security-policy mailing list dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listin

Re: SHA-1 Phase-out

2016-11-15 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > - If it's an enterprise root they need to switch to SHA-2 This is a lot easier said than done for many organizations. Depending on the CA software this might be a small configuration change or might involve a very large software upgrade. I

Re: Guang Dong Certificate Authority (GDCA) root inclusion request

2016-11-15 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 3:02 AM, wrote: > > Because we misunderstand that we only need to provide the related chapters of > CP/CPS in English, and non-related sections are not required. We are terribly > sorry that we misinterpreted your requirement and upload an inconsistent > CP/CPS in Engli

Re: Technically Constrained Sub-CAs

2016-11-17 Thread Peter Bowen
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: >> (Note: Key pinning isn't the only advantage to being able to freely operate >> your own intermediate CA.) > > I don't see how freely operating your own intermediate CA is a pre-requisite > for key pinning, either. If you don't have your own C

Re: Taiwan GRCA Root Renewal Request

2016-12-03 Thread Peter Bowen
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Jakob Bohm wrote: > On 03/12/2016 09:34, lcchen.ci...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> In CA/Browser Forum 34th F2F meeting, the minutes is in >> https://cabforum.org/2015/03/11/2015-03-11-minutes-of-cupertino-f2f-meeting-34/. >> Li-Chun Chen (me) of Chunghwa Telecom presente

Re: Taiwan GRCA Root Renewal Request

2016-12-03 Thread Peter Bowen
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:57 AM, wrote: > Peter Bowen於 2016年9月20日星期二 UTC+8下午11時53分29秒寫道: >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Kathleen Wilson wrote: >> > >> > * CA Hierarchy: Diagram of CA Hierarchy: http://grca.nat.gov.tw/ >> > All subordinate C

Re: Taiwan GRCA Root Renewal Request

2016-12-04 Thread Peter Bowen
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 7:26 AM, 王文正 wrote: > Gervase Markham於 2016年12月4日星期日 UTC+8下午6時27分55秒寫道: >> On 03/12/16 17:42, Peter Bowen wrote: >> > As to the inclusion request, I think Mozilla should reject this >> > request and add a clear rule to the Mozilla CA policy th

Re: Policy 2.4 Proposal: Define how quickly audit reports must be provided

2017-01-18 Thread Peter Bowen
> On Jan 18, 2017, at 7:18 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > > On 17/01/17 23:33, Jakob Bohm wrote: >> How about "_and versions and strong (>= 256 bits) hashes_", > > Do people think we need to go this far? > > If we do, we'll need them to specify filenames, not just document > titles. Otherwise, o

Re: Question about Baseline Requirements section #7.1.4.2

2017-01-23 Thread Peter Bowen
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Kathleen Wilson wrote: > Does section 7.1.4.2 of the CA/Browser Forum's Baseline Requirements only > apply to end-entity certificates? > > If yes, where does it specify that in the document? > > This has come up in a few CA requests, due to errors we get when we r

Re: Question about Baseline Requirements section #7.1.4.2

2017-01-24 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Inigo Barreira wrote: > Yes, I´m also agree. This was also taken into account when writting the ETSI > standards, and for the CA certs, the minumun is what Peter has indicated > plus the common name. We indicate that "... shall contain at least the > following att

Re: I found some SHA-1 certificates issued by Symantec

2017-01-24 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: >> >> This helpful spreadsheet shows that they were removed in Firefox 47 and >> 51 respectively: >> https://mozillacaprogram.secure.force.com/CA/RemovedCACertificateReport >> Althoug

Re: Question about Baseline Requirements section #7.1.4.2

2017-01-24 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > On 24/01/17 15:48, Peter Bowen wrote: >> I think it would be completely reasonable for Mozilla to require a >> commonName in an update to the policy. I thought it was there, but a >> CA pushed back on a cablint error

Useful Heuristics

2017-01-30 Thread Peter Bowen
While it is very hard to validate the subject content of certificates outside of DNS names, there are a number of heuristics that may be useful to trigger a deeper check to ensure that the data is accurate. A couple of these that I've found useful are: 1) If stateOrProvince or Locality type attri

Re: Useful Heuristics

2017-01-30 Thread Peter Bowen
See notes inline about known cities with numbers in their name. On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Peter Bowen wrote: > While it is very hard to validate the subject content of certificates > outside of DNS names, there are a number of heuristics that may be > useful to trigger a deeper

Re: Useful Heuristics

2017-01-31 Thread Peter Bowen
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:50 AM, Hubert Kario wrote: > On Monday, 30 January 2017 23:48:51 CET Peter Bowen wrote: >> See notes inline about known cities with numbers in their name. >> >> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Peter Bowen wrote: >> > While it is ver

Re: Other Curves

2017-02-01 Thread Peter Bowen
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-03 needs to move forward first. It is currently in working group last call. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8032 is now published, which replaces I-D.irtf-cfrg-eddsa, so that removes the last dangling reference from curdle-pkix. We also need to sor

Re: Question about Baseline Requirements section #7.1.4.2

2017-02-08 Thread Peter Bowen
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > On 24/01/17 00:01, Peter Bowen wrote: >> I agree that the BRs could be clearer, but it seems to me that the >> only requirements are country and organization name. > > Hi Peter, > > Can you point me at which

Google Trust Services roots

2017-02-08 Thread Peter Bowen
A couple of weeks ago, Google announced Google Trust Services (https://security.googleblog.com/2017/01/the-foundation-of-more-secure-web.html) and also announced that they have acquired two roots that are in Mozilla trust store. As discussed in this group previously, Mozilla does not have a very c

Re: [FORGED] Re: Germany's cyber-security agency [BSI] recommends Firefox as most secure browser

2019-10-18 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 6:31 PM Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Paul Walsh via dev-security-policy > writes: > > >I have no evidence to prove what I’m about to say, but I *suspect* that > the > >people at BSI specified “EV” over the use of o

Re: INC8119596 Other | Entrust Certs and DHS

2019-11-23 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 1:08 PM O'Donnell, Derek via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > We have a customer at the VA who uses an Entrust root: > Issuer Entrust > > AIA: > http://nfitestweb.managed.entrust.com/AIA/CertsIssuedToNFIMediumSSPCA.p7c > > They are rep

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: INC8119596 Other | Entrust Certs and DHS

2019-11-25 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
a trusted CA, then the certificate is trusted. If you provide the full issuer name for the certificate you are referring to, then it might be possible to determine if you are actually on a government-only certificate or if you have some other issue. Thanks, Peter > > > > > *Fr

Re: INC8119596 Other | Entrust Certs and DHS

2019-11-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
ice Operations - Infrastructure Operations > > VA Office of Information and Technology, IT Operations and Services > > Mobile (571) 235-5277 > > > > > > > > *From:* Eric Mill > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:28 PM > *To:* Peter Bowen > *Cc:* Bowen,

Re: How Certificates are Verified by Firefox

2019-12-04 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
Why not use OCSP? On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 3:52 PM Matthew Hardeman via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Not that anyone is presently doing or would do such a thing, but... > > Imagine a CA that wanted to offer up a user/browser tracking service to > their subsc

Re: Audit Letter Validation (ALV) on intermediate certs in CCADB

2019-12-21 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:23 AM Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:10 PM Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:12:46 -0800 > > Kathleen Wilson vi

Re: Digicert issued certificate with let's encrypts public key

2020-05-17 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 8:18 PM Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy > writes: > > >Browsing crt.sh, I found this: https://crt.sh/?id=1902422627 > > > >It's a certificate for api.pillowz.kz with the public key

Re: SECURITY RELEVANT FOR CAs: The curious case of the Dangerous Delegated Responder Cert

2020-07-03 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
Ryan, I have read through this thread and am also somewhat perplexed. I want to be clear, I'm posting only for myself, as an individual, not on behalf of any current or former employers. On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 4:26 AM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 3:24 AM P

Re: SECURITY RELEVANT FOR CAs: The curious case of the Dangerous Delegated Responder Cert

2020-07-03 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 9:18 AM Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:57 AM Peter Bowen wrote: >> >> While it may be viewed as best practice to have short lived responder >> certificates, it must not be viewed as a hard requirement for the BRs >>

Re: SECURITY RELEVANT FOR CAs: The curious case of the Dangerous Delegated Responder Cert

2020-07-04 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:06 AM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:52 PM mark.arnott1--- via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > This is insane! > > Those 300 certificates are used to secure healthcare information system

Re: SECURITY RELEVANT FOR CAs: The curious case of the Dangerous Delegated Responder Cert

2020-07-04 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 7:12 PM Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 08:42:03AM -0700, Mark Arnott via dev-security-policy > wrote: > > I was informed yesterday that I would have to replace just over 300 > > certificates in 5 days because my CA is required by rule

Re: Policy 2.7.1:MRSP Issue #205: Require CAs to publish accepted methods for proving key compromise

2020-11-14 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > > So, perhaps now that we've had this conversation, and you've learned about > potentially illegitimate revocations are a thing, but that they were not > the thing I was worrying about and that you'd misunderstood, perhap

Re: Intermediate common name ambiguous naming

2020-12-20 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 9:54 AM Matthew Thompson via dev-security-policy wrote: > > It's not ideal that Google Chrome now states "The connection to this site is > using a valid, trusted server certificate issued by R3" (desktop) and "Google > Chrome verified that R3 issued this website's certifi

Re: Clarification request: ECC subCAs under RSA Root

2021-03-12 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 12:01 AM pfuen...--- via dev-security-policy wrote: > > In summary, my understanding is that we can ignore that illustrative control > of the Webtrust Criteria and that the community is cool with these > subordinations of CAs with stronger keys (same or different algorith

Re: Certificates with shared private keys by gaming software (EA origin, Blizzard battle.net)

2017-12-25 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Adrian R. via dev-security-policy wrote: > since it's a webserver running on the local machine and is using that > certificate key/pair, i think that someone more capable than me can easily > extract the key from it. > > From my point of view as an observer it's

Re: Serial number length

2017-12-28 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy wrote: > After looking at some real certificates both in the browser and on crt.sh, I > have some followup questions on certificate serial numbers: > > 4. If the answers are yes, no, yes, why doesn't cablint flag > certificates

Re: Updating Root Inclusion Criteria

2018-01-17 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 3:45 PM, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy wrote: > I would like to open a discussion about the criteria by which Mozilla > decides which CAs we should allow to apply for inclusion in our root store. > > Section 2.1 of Mozilla’s current Root Store Policy states: > > CAs

Re: Updating Root Inclusion Criteria (organizations)

2018-01-17 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy wrote: > 4. Selected company CAs for a handful of too-bit-to-ignore companies > that refuse to use a true public CA. This would currently probably > be Microsoft, Amazon and Google. These should be admitted only on > a te

Re: TLS-SNI-01 and compliance with BRs

2018-01-19 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Doug Beattie via dev-security-policy > wrote: > > Many CA’s haven’t complied with the Mozilla requirement to list the methods > they use (including Google btw), so it’s hard to tell which CAs are using > method 10. Of the CA CPSs I checked, only Symantec has m

Re: Retirement of RSA-2048

2018-01-20 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 8:31 AM, James Burton via dev-security-policy wrote: > Approximate date of retirement of RSA-2048? This is a very broad question, as you don't specify the usage. If you look at the US National Institute of Standards and Technology's SP 800-57 part 1 rev 4 (http://nvlpubs.

Re: DRAFT January 2018 CA Communication

2018-01-25 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Wayne Thayer wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Jonathan Rudenberg < >> jonat...@titanous.com> wrote: >> >>> This is a great improvement. I think we should also ask that any C

Re: TLS everywhere has a major flaw and needs refining to the page level.

2018-02-16 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Kevin Chadwick via dev-security-policy wrote: > > On that subject I think the chromium reported plan to label sites as > insecure should perhaps be revised to page insecured or something more > accurate? Given this group focused on Mozilla, it is likely out of sco

Re: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: > Once we were alerted, the team kicked > off a debate that I wanted to bring to the CAB Forum. Basically, our > position is that resellers do not constitute subscribers under the Baseline > Requirement's definitions (Se

Re: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:13 PM, timx84039--- via dev-security-policy > wrote: > >> >> Regarding to our investigation they were only able to send the private >> keys for those certificates where the CSR / private ke

Re: Mozilla Security Blog re Symantec TLS Certs

2018-03-13 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Kai Engert via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 13.03.2018 14:59, Ryan Sleevi wrote: >> the blog post says, the subCAs controlled by Apple and Google are the >> ONLY exceptions. >> >> However, the Mozilla Firefox code also treats certain DigiCert subCAs

Re: Mozilla Security Blog re Symantec TLS Certs

2018-03-13 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 7:55 AM, Kai Engert via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 13.03.2018 15:35, Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: >> >>> Are the DigiCert transition CAs, which are part of the exclusion list, >>> and which you say are used for "Managed Partner Infrastructure", >>> strict

Re: Audits for new subCAs

2018-03-23 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy wrote: > Recently I've received a few questions about audit requirements for > subordinate CAs newly issued from roots in our program. Mozilla policy > section 5.3.2 requires these to be disclosed "within a week of certificate

Re: Audits for new subCAs

2018-03-26 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
e? > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 6:18 PM, Peter Bowen wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy >> wrote: >> > Recently I've received a few questions about audit requirements for >> > subordinate CAs newly iss

Re: Audits for new subCAs

2018-04-06 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > >> >> While Entrust happens to do this, as a relying party, I dislike frequent >> updates to CP/CPS d

Re: c=US policy layer in development

2018-04-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
As far as I know, this has nothing to do with Mozilla policy. On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:28 PM westmail24--- via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > If Mozilla develops an open product, then why are some discussions > unavailable to users even for reading? (I'm no

Re: Bit encoding (AW: Policy 2.6 Proposal: Add prohibition on CA key generation to policy)

2018-05-15 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
I don't think that is true. Remember for OV/IV/EV certificates, the Subscriber is the natural person or Legal Entity identified in the certificate Subject. If the Subscriber is using the certificate on a CDN, it is probably better to have the CDN generate the key rather than the Subscriber. The

TeletexString

2018-07-06 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
In reviewing a recent CA application, the question came up of what is allowed in a certificate in data encoded as "TeletexString" (which is also sometimes called T61String). Specifically, certlint will report an error if a TeletexString contains any characters not in the "Teletex Primary Set of Gr

Re: [FORGED] TeletexString

2018-07-08 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 2:34 PM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 04:41:27PM -0400, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > > > Is that because you believe it forbidden by spec, or simply unwise? > > It's because nobody implements the spec. Those the claim some > support for it are just broken. I have ye

Re: GoDaddy Revocations Due to a Variety of Issues

2018-07-20 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:39 PM Daymion Reynolds via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > The certificates were identified by analyzing results from both zlint and > certlint. We also verified all lint findings against current and past BRs. > We discovered multiple

Re: GoDaddy Revocations Due to a Variety of Issues

2018-07-26 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:08 PM Joanna Fox via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 9:39:04 PM UTC-7, Peter Bowen wrote: > > > *Total of 17 certificates issued in 2018 were revoked due to invalid > > >

Re: Re: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
Richard, Unfortunately Gerv is no longer with us, so he cannot respond to this accusation. Having been involved in many discussions on m.d.s.p and with Gerv directly, I am very sure Gerv deeply owned the decisions on StartCom and WoSign. It was by no means Ryan telling Gerv or Mozilla what to do

Re: Underscore characters

2018-12-18 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:52 PM Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Ballot 202 failed. I’m not sure how it’s relevant other than to indicate > there was definite disagreement about whether underscores were permitted or > not. As previously mentio

Use cases of publicly-trusted certificates

2018-12-26 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
In the discussion of how to handle certain certificates that no longer meet CA/Browser Forum baseline requirements, Wayne asked for the "Reason that publicly-trusted certificates are in use" by the customers. This seems to imply that Mozilla has an opinion that the default should not be to use "pu

Re: Use cases of publicly-trusted certificates

2018-12-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:34 AM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 11:12 AM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > Yes, you are consistently mischaracterizing everything I

Re: Use cases of publicly-trusted certificates

2018-12-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 12:12 PM Wayne Thayer wrote: > On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 2:42 PM Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > >> In the discussion of how to handle certain certificates that no longer >> meet &

Re: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 12:53 PM thomas.gh.horn--- via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > As to why these certificates have to be revoked, you should see this the > other way round: as a very generous service of the community to you and > your customers! > > Ce

Re: Use cases of publicly-trusted certificates

2018-12-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:04 AM Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 15:30:01 +0100 > Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy > wrote: > > > The problem here is that the prohibition lies in a complex legal > > reading of multiple docum

Re: When should honest subscribers expect sudden (24 hours / 120 hours) revocations?

2018-12-29 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 PM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > So absent a bad CA, I wonder where there is a rule that subscribers > should be ready to quickly replace certificates due to actions far > outside their own control. Consider the

Re: Incident Report DFN-PKI: Non-IDNA2003 encoded international domain names

2019-01-24 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 4:17 AM Buschart, Rufus via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Hello > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: Hanno Böck > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2019 12:36 > > > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:14:11 + Buschart, Rufus wr

Re: AW: Incident Report DFN-PKI: Non-IDNA2003 encoded international domain names

2019-01-24 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:36 AM Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On 2019-01-24 15:41, Rob Stradling wrote: > > > > Here's an example cert containing the A-label in the SAN:dNSName and the > > U-label in the CN. (It was issued by Sectigo, known

Re: AW: Incident Report DFN-PKI: Non-IDNA2003 encoded international domain names

2019-01-25 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 10:40 AM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > I mean, it's using an ACE label. That's where Ballot 202 would have > clarified and required more explicit validation of the ACE labels to > address the SHOULD NOT from https://to

Re: DarkMatter Concerns

2019-03-07 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:09 AM Benjamin Gabriel via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > A fair and transparent public discussion requires full disclosure of each > participant's motivations and ultimate agenda. Whether in CABForum, or > Mozilla-dev-security-poli

Re: The current and future role of national CAs in the root program

2019-03-07 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:45 AM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Currently the Mozilla root program contains a large number of roots that > are apparently single-nation CA programs serving their local community > almost exclusively, including by

Re: EJBCA defaulting to 63 bit serial numbers

2019-03-08 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 7:55 PM Matthew Hardeman via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:49 PM Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > > I consider that only a single CA has represented any ambiguity as being > > their explanation as to why the non-complia

Re: EJBCA defaulting to 63 bit serial numbers

2019-03-11 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:00 AM Daymion Reynolds via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Glad you agree 64bit serial numbers can have no fixed bits, as a fixed bit > in a 64 bit serial number would result in less than 64 bits of entropy. If > you are going to fi

Re: Pre-Incident Report - GoDaddy Serial Number Entropy

2019-03-14 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 4:33 AM Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On 14/03/2019 01:09, Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy wrote: > > > I'd already asked previously whether any CA wanted to indicate publicly > that > > they were compliant wi

Re: Applicability of SHA-1 Policy to Timestamping CAs

2019-03-22 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:51 AM Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > I've been asked if the section 5.1.1 restrictions on SHA-1 issuance apply > to timestamping CAs. Specifically, does Mozilla policy apply to the > issuance of a SHA-1 CA certifica

Re: Policy 2.7 Proposal: Exclude Policy Certification Authorities from EKU Requirement

2019-04-29 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
I support this, as long as Policy CAs meet the same operations standards and have the same issuance restrictions as root CAs. This would result in no real change to policy, as I assume roots not directly included in the Mozilla root store were already considered “roots” for this part of the policy.

Re: Disclosure and CP/CPS for Cross-Signed Roots

2019-07-18 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:40 AM Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Andrew Ayer filed two bugs yesterday that might be worthy of a bit > of discussion. They both appear to be in reference to root certificates > included in the Mozilla program tha

Re: Fwd: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-14 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 4:24 AM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > A policy of switching from positive to negative indicators of security > differences is no justification to switch to NO indication. And it > certainly doesn't help user understand

Re: Fwd: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-14 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:16 AM Jakob Bohm wrote: > On 14/08/2019 18:18, Peter Bowen wrote: > > On thing I've found really useful in working on user experience is to > > discuss things using problem & solution statements that show the before > and > > after.

Re: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-23 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:44 PM kirkhalloregon--- via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Some have responded there is no research saying EV sites have > significantly less phishing (and are therefore safer) than DV sites – Tim > has listed two studies that say ex

Re: DigiCert OCSP services returns 1 byte

2019-08-29 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:38 AM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 1:15 PM Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > Thanks for posting this Curt. We investigated and po

Representing one's employer

2019-08-29 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
(forking this to a new subject) On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 5:54 PM Kirk Hall via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > What the heck does it mean when sometimes you say you are posting "in a > personal capacity" and sometimes you don't? To me, it always appears that

Re: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-30 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 AM Kirk Hall via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > I'll just reiterate my point and then drop the subject. EV certificate > subject information is used by anti-phishing services and browser phishing > filters, and it would be a los

Re: Google Trust Services roots

2017-02-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
Ryan, Thank you for the quick reply. My comments and questions are inline. On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy wrote: > Peter, > > Thank you very much for your, as always, thorough review. > > Let me start by saying I agree there is an opportunity for improving t

Re: Public disclosure of root ownership transfers (was: Re: Google Trust Services roots)

2017-02-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 09/02/17 14:32, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: >> Would Mozilla's root program consider changing this requirement so that >> it *does* require public disclosure, or are there convincing reasons not >> to? At first glance,

Re: Google Trust Services roots

2017-02-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Richard Wang via dev-security-policy wrote: > I can't see this sentence > " I highlight this because we (the community) see the occasional remark like > this; most commonly, it's directed at organizations in particular countries, > on the basis that we shouldn't

Re: Public disclosure of root ownership transfers (was: Re: Google Trust Services roots)

2017-02-13 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:14 AM, Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 10/02/17 12:40, Inigo Barreira wrote: >> I see many "should" in this link. Basically those indicating "should notify >> Mozilla" and "should follow the physical relocation section". > > It may be that this documen

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Richard Wang via dev-security-policy wrote: > As I understand, the BR 4.2.1 required this: > > “The CA SHALL develop, maintain, and implement documented procedures that > identify and require additional verification activity for High Risk > Certificate Requests p

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