Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-28 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* John Denker -- Sunday 28 January 2007: > I took the long comments out of location-in-air.xml and moved > them to >http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/README.location-in-air Reviewed and rejected. This contains rather bad code and needs some serious reworking. It even replaces existing good code wit

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-28 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* John Denker -- Sunday 28 January 2007: >http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/location-in-air.xml.diff +# We need our own private variables, to have and to hold, +# without worrying about whether the FDM will mess with +# them. A subset of these will be copied to FDM variables +# with similar names.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-09 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Martin Spott wrote: > "Jon S. Berndt" wrote: > >> First, which version of JSBSim are you using? From what I understand, Erik >> just put a new version of JSBSim in FlightGear CVS. > > Erik committed the JSBSim update only to the pre-OSG branch - which is > actually of limited u

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-07 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> On 01/06/2007 04:25 PM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > > > I'm not sure what you are talking about here. Could you be more > descriptive? > > I'll try! I'm going to forward this to the JSBSim list. Then I'm off for the day. Jon --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-07 Thread John Denker
On 01/07/2007 01:25 PM, Martin Spott wrote: >>[...] For my purposes (and >>I suspect a lot of other purposes besides), is much more useful >>to be able to warp to some improvised place, without ever having >>been there before. > > > Without ever having been there before I'd say you'll never know

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-07 Thread Martin Spott
John Denker wrote: > [...] For my purposes (and > I suspect a lot of other purposes besides), is much more useful > to be able to warp to some improvised place, without ever having > been there before. Without ever having been there before I'd say you'll never know in which state the aircraft is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-07 Thread Martin Spott
"Jon S. Berndt" wrote: > > John, actually, what you're looking for is a routine that allows you to > > dump the whole property tree at runtime into a file and allow > > re-loading this as a preset. In order not to break current behaviour it > > would be necessary to compile a 'standard-preset' fil

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-07 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> John Denker wrote: > > [... reset function ...] > > All evidence indicates that the function being called was not designed > > to be used this way, i.e. not to be used in flight and not to be used > > repeatedly. Instead it was supposed to be used once, during initial > > startup. > > John, actu

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-07 Thread John Denker
On 01/07/2007 12:28 PM, Martin Spott wrote: > John, actually, what you're looking for is a routine that allows you to > dump the whole property tree at runtime into a file and allow > re-loading this as a preset. In order not to break current behaviour it > would be necessary to compile a 'standar

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-07 Thread Martin Spott
John Denker wrote: [... reset function ...] > All evidence indicates that the function being called was not designed > to be used this way, i.e. not to be used in flight and not to be used > repeatedly. Instead it was supposed to be used once, during initial > startup. John, actually, what you'r

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-07 Thread John Denker
On 01/06/2007 04:25 PM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > I'm not sure what you are talking about here. Could you be more descriptive? I'll try! Let's start with some "use case" analysis: Scenario 1: User wants to practice landings. Using command-line options, the user initializes the system to 4 mile f

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-07 Thread Stuart Buchanan
--- John Denker wrote: > On 01/06/2007 04:46 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > > > Thanks for the contribution. > > :-) > > > 1) The runway specification is missing. > > Fixed. Thanks for that. It probably represents the feature that I've used most myself in the dialog. > > 5) Your comments ar

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-06 Thread John Denker
On 01/06/2007 04:46 PM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > Thanks for the contribution. :-) > 1) The runway specification is missing. Fixed. > 2) Title isn't consistent with the menu item. I suggest changing it back > to "Location In Air". OK. Done. > 3) For consistency with the other menu items, yo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-06 Thread Martin Spott
"Jon S. Berndt" wrote: > First, which version of JSBSim are you using? From what I understand, Erik > just put a new version of JSBSim in FlightGear CVS. Erik committed the JSBSim update only to the pre-OSG branch - which is actually of limited use for current development :-/ Martin. --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-06 Thread Stuart Buchanan
--- John Denker wrote: > Hi -- > > I have extensively reworked the location-in-air.xml popup. > > It is now much more pilot-friendly. > > > I would appreciated if other folks would play with it > and provide feedback. Apart from one major omission, it is certainly an improvement over

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-06 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> ## Known bugs: > ## *) Apparently the reset routine refuses to > ## apply an offset if the reference point is a lat/lon. > ## Maybe we could work around this ... or we could just > ## beseech the FDM authors to fix it on their end. > ## This is broken both in jsbsim and larcsim. I'm not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air

2007-01-06 Thread John Denker
Hi -- I have extensively reworked the location-in-air.xml popup. It is now much more pilot-friendly. > I would appreciated if other folks would play with it and provide feedback. The latest & greatest version is at http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/location-in-air.xml there is also a diff

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air ... magnetic bearings from the reference

2007-01-05 Thread John Denker
On 01/05/2007 04:06 AM, Torsten Dreyer wrote: > Less dirty and more correct should be: > relocate to the position of the fix, grab the magnetic variation and > calculate > the transporter coordinates using bearing and distance. Relocate again to > these coordinates. You can safely call this pos

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air ... magnetic bearings from the reference

2007-01-05 Thread Torsten Dreyer
> A dirty hack might be to relocate to the new position using the true > bearing, reading the magnetic-variation property for the new position > thereafter and relocate again using the new variation. Less dirty and more correct should be: relocate to the position of the fix, grab the magnetic vari

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air ... magnetic bearings from the reference

2007-01-04 Thread Joacim Persson
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, John Denker wrote: *) I spelled out "deg". I tried putting the ° symbol in the xml file, but it complained of a parse error. Using ° didn't work, either. Any suggestions on how to encode symbols? Not directly an answer to you question but here's a tip that may be us

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air ... magnetic bearings from the reference

2007-01-04 Thread Torsten Dreyer
> That's a good point. I consider it a bug in what I've written. > The canonical behavior is to use the magnetic deviation at the > /reference/ point. Can somebody give me a hint how to obtain > the deviation at the location of arbitrary navaids and airports? The magnetic variation is calculated

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air ... magnetic bearings from the reference

2007-01-03 Thread Dave Perry
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 15:36 -0500, John Denker wrote: > First, some background information. Suppose we are up in the air, > 10 nm west of KXYZ airfield (which is colocated with the XYZ vortac). > 1) If we were inbound to the field, I would report our position > as 10 nm west, inbound on the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air ... magnetic bearings from the reference

2007-01-03 Thread John Denker
I found a way to make it do what I want. Here's my version http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/location-in-air.xml and the diff against the cvs version: http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/location-in-air.diff On 01/03/2007 05:19 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > Only if you are relocating to a nearby position.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air ... magnetic bearings from the reference

2007-01-03 Thread Curtis Olson
On 1/3/07, John Denker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm coming at this from the perspective of an instrument flying lesson. Being able to reposition the aircraft a few miles from the initial approach fix saves a lot of time. And that is a perspective we fully want to support and promote . Th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air ... magnetic bearings from the reference

2007-01-03 Thread John Denker
On 01/03/2007 04:00 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > we do want this to work intuitively so I would welcome > any changes to improve the in-air reposition dialog box. :-) > I think it makes a lot > more sense to focus on the gui dialog box. Agreed. I'm coming at this from the perspective of an instr

Re: [Flightgear-devel] location-in-air ... magnetic bearings from the reference

2007-01-03 Thread Curtis Olson
On 1/3/07, John Denker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First, some background information. Suppose we are up in the air, 10 nm west of KXYZ airfield (which is colocated with the XYZ vortac). [snip] To summarize: With rare exceptions, locations are specified using the bearing /from/ the reference.