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TLDs. .org and other gTLDs will not be internationalised for the moment.
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gt; It would therefore make sense for WMDE to try to reach Macedonians
> living in Germany, and for future WMMK to help them in doing so.
It would make sense. But at the moment WMDE is not even actively doing
anything for the _native_ languages of Germany except for German. I
think
cit material is to introduce a more professional release procedure.
If we'd require proper USC 2257 releases for explicit content, that
would improve our legal position and it would automatically lead to less
anonymous low quality uploads. That's something I would support.
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those factors can be very different but the concept can be there.
>
Interesting. What's the math behind that numbers? Or the source?
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eaningless. So the requisites for "sustainable activity" should
be quite low for Wikisource, but much higher for Wikinews, Wikipedia
being somewhere between.
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nd in many jurisdictions also PD-ineligible)
and they have no problem defending their brand. Why should Wikimedia
logos be any different?
Just release the logos under a free license and the problem will be gone.
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Mike Godwin hett schreven:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Marcus Buck wrote:
> > Mike Godwin hett schreven:
> > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Marcus Buck
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> > >
start
of the discussion or were easy to find for anybody who cared to look. It
was not lack of information that produced the 50 messages. It's just
that people disagree about the conclusions drawn from the facts.
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power at all
to stop the "Founder"-flagged berserk. [affirmed]
Is this the story? Or are there any story arcs that I missed? Please
correct me, wherever I am wrong.
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eted by a third Commons admin. (Jimbo is not online at the
moment to overturn that decision.)
I think this is a really obvious example how Jimbo breaks policies and
why large parts of the Commons community are upset.
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total explosion if you are used to masturbate to Commons material!
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isallows showing them) a filter could be set to remove those
images.
Creating a technical solution like that is the task of the foundation.
The _real_ task of the foundation.
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society that takes measures to improve the society's welfare.
The Foundation is just the executive branch of the Wikimedia community.
It's sole purpose is to serve the community by doing tasks that cannot
possibly
he penises, not the other
pages. Better than being blocked altogether.
The tags applied should be clear and fact-based. So instead of tagging a
page as "containing pornography", which is entirely subjective, we
should rather tag the page as "contains a depiction
David Gerard hett schreven:
> On 9 May 2010 21:17, Marcus Buck wrote:
>
>
>> The tags applied should be clear and fact-based. So instead of tagging a
>> page as "containing pornography", which is entirely subjective, we
>> should rather tag the page as &q
I think the world has moved on a bit from the one country, one
> religion / set of values / morals.
>
You are of course right. But what is the alternative? The only
alternative is not basing it on location so everybody sees the same.
That's like "one world, one set of value
r free encyclopedia project would have
evolved in place. Wikipedia wasn't the only community-driven
encyclopedia project. But it made the race and beat all its competitors
cause no other project was as free and easily accessible as Wikipedia.
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If that really is the only reason for deletion then the deletion request
will be denied soon. It's just a single person. Everybody can file a
deletion request. You don't need to bother about a single person with
bad judgement. There are other people with better judgement who
There's no
limit in disk space, so no reason to delete images that could be useful
in contexts that may not be imagined at the moment.
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Marcus Buck hett schreven:
> Teofilo hett schreven:
>
>> I discovered this morning "poor composition" as an ar
mes redirecting to a single
project, sometimes redirecting to non-Wikimedia-related sites.
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ou are a stalker and legal action may be taken against you.
Just because collecting public data is legal doesn't mean that
aggregating it is legal. And German law is less lax with privacy than
other laws.
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An'n 03.08.2010 18:58, hett Marcus Buck schreven:
>An'n 03.08.2010 09:13, hett emijrp schreven:
>> User contributions are also aggregated and publicly available. User
>> contributions are aggregated according to their registration and login
>> status. Data on
or organizations seems a bit overinflated looking at the
advanced methods of censorship they've already developed. And the
selection process the community has to do feels not to be much
different than what the community already does now.
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former vernaculars.
Allowing the Arab dialects to go this way is a highly political
decision. Forbidding it would be too. So there is no way Wikimedia could
avoid making a political stance. But from the POV of 'Freedom' we should
allow. If we forbid that's a definite s
elisabeth bauer hett schreven:
> 2009/1/11 Marcus Buck :
>
>
>> In the Arabic world there's a prevalent POV, that Arabs form one nation
>> united by the use of the Arabic language. But in reality Standard Arabic
>> is something like Latin. With the difference,
Muhammad Alsebaey hett schreven:
>> The mission of the foundation is an educational one. So it would be
>> better to ask the uneducated masses of Egypt, whether they feel a gain
>> from a Wikipedia in their language or whether they stick with the
>> "Latin&
Tim Starling hett schreven:
> Marcus Buck wrote:
>
>> In the Arabic world there's a prevalent POV, that Arabs form one nation
>> united by the use of the Arabic language. But in reality Standard Arabic
>> is something like Latin. With the difference, that Lati
l and thus lead to
embittered enmities.
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also share with Germany, France, Britain,
> Switzerland, Norway, Sweden etc.?
>
> Michael
I didn't state they have any particular shared mindset that sets them
off from the countries you named.
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Geoffrey Plourde hett schreven:
> I am sure he will handle the rename as soon as he can, but patience is key.
>
cough, please be patient! It's only been three years since mo.wikipedia
was closed. The case will be handled as soon as one of our service team
members becomes availab
. It will never come up again after
that...
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ere was almost no support for the Interlanguage
extension, although it would fundamentally improve the interwiki process.
We would do much better, if the tech people had more time to care about
things.
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> There is only one thing stopping it from going live in my opinion - developer
> enthusiasm.
What about community consensus?
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way as 'vro' fits under the roof of an 'et' macrolanguage. But they are
handled differently nonetheless.
I oppose to move et.wikipedia to ekk.wikipedia and I think this would be
a really bad service to the et.wikipedia community.
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do not agree
when asked "Do you speak Estonian?" They'd say "No, I speak Voro."
So, both Nynorsk and Bokmal are contesters to the code 'no', but Voro
has few interest to be covered by 'et'.
That shouldn't surprise, since Nynorsk and Bokmal are two dif
ome a portal
linking to all Norwegian projects. It won't be an abrupt or disruptive
change.
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ame and not abbreviated.
The Stanton Fund has spent 1,2 million $ in 2007, which is the fitting
magnitude. But the profile of their spendings is not obviously related
to the Wikimedia donation.
(That's all no support of the idea, the WMF got wrong the name, just
information witho
Gerard Meijssen hett schreven:
> Hoi
> What is IUP ?
> Thanks,
> GerardM
[[en:WP:IUP]]
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ebody you
know. This image is indeed harmless, it's just a little flick of slip.
Embarassing, but not the "humiliating" kind of embarassing, but more the
"oops" kind. But we have other ones on our projects, that are more harmful.
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experience some kind of "harm" if that would be done.
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> articles on means that we should have several hundred thousand images
> of faces.
>
> In addition most parts of the human anatomy don't have the same
> providence issues.
The issue is pictures of genitalia, isn't it? So &q
least
_anything_. At the moment we assume good faith even if the probability
for good faith is marginal.
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y didn't came around to it since April 2008 would
proove my "accusation" that the "little projects" are indeed regarded
second-class.
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;s the common name for Macedonia in the Pontic community, the
article should be under that name. If it's not, well, then find
references supporting that and argue on the wiki. But dragging the issue
on the "international stage" won't be helpful in any way.
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<http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=ReDirBot>)
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he depth higher).
Comparing depths for different projects is almost futile, if you don't
know about the specifics of the project that influence the depth.
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I would appreciate, if we do not put cultural non-universal April 1
jokes on an international list.
Perhaps you had fun, I have none.
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> Hello,
> A couple of days ago I have contacted our project manager in San Francisco
> who is dea
how
to behave in an intercultural environment, but only if we tell them that
they are idiots, awareness can arise for the idioticy of this behaviour.
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, isn't it? There are two interpretations possible now: a)
All those critics are dicks. b) You did something that is indeed critizable.
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> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Marcus Buck wrote:
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>> Harsh critic, isn't it? There are two interpretations possible now: a)
>> All those critics are dicks. b) You did something that is indeed critizable.
>>
>
> "Al
say, you should urgently hire some more
people, who help you do the tasks that need to be done, or alternatively
make access to administrative tools easier, so that voluntary helpers
can help you do the tasks that need to be done.
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f measure.
Instead of getting a warning the user would be blocked from looking at
the content. Although this would be on the border to real censorship and
could be abused.
I think, a system like that would provide the highest amount of
flexibility without imposing any restrictions on anyb
David Gerard hett schreven:
> (c.f. the earlier proposal for a Victims of Soviet Repression wiki -
> nice idea, but utterly unsuited to WMF through utter lack of
> neutrality.)
>
<http://sep11.wikipedia.org/> does still work by the way.
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at not enough, they have the chutzpa to
_reject_ adding any further languages [no additions since at least 2007,
although they still support Elmer Fudd, bork bork bork, Klingon and
pirate speak...]. At the moment Google supports the languages of
roundabout 85 to 90% of the world's popula
o too.
> One of the most important things that is needed for adding languages to a
> technology like this is having a sufficiently sized corpus.
Yes, that was basically my main question: What is sufficiently? How much
pages or MB of text? At least the order of magnitude.
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de at least
for several years).
And most importantly I think, that the question of ISO codes is not
related to Google's operations. If Google wants to use Wikipedia content
to improve their tools it should be really easy for them to do the code
mapping (e.g. 'no'
e,
that is intended to show how some arguments of the other party feel.
Sometimes this can lead to a catharsis where suddenly the own arguments
seem less general and valid and suddenly you can appreciate and
understand the worries of the other. Sometimes.
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> 2009/6/15 Marcus Buck :
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>> David Gerard schrieb:
>>
>>> I'd hope this isn't a summary of the views of other Commons admins.
>>> Anyone else? Or is the Commons admin community this insular and derisive?
>>&
time they answered not
at all and the other time they said nothing had changed.
Pirate of course is an important addition... And Montenegrin surely was
a good measure to endear oneself to the Montenegrin government.
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y meaningless, whether Michael Jackson attracts 12 or 20 page
views per 1000 speakers. If 988 people had no interest in looking up
Michael Jackson, then that's okay. We still served the 12 who had.
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course a native Rundi project manager would be needed to ensure the
quality of the contributions). Wouldn't it be great if the Wikimedia
Foundation could go to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and say "Hey,
with 100,000 $ you can help us to create a 100,000 entry encyclopedia
speakers to be part of
the community and to add even more articles. Unlike the 38-article wiki
we have now at which contributing is _not_ fun.
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cannot do things like buying servers, signing treaties etc. The
foundation is an avatar. This is the sole reason why a foundation
exists. To enable the community to act outside cyperspace. Therefore
ideally there should be no decision without knowledge and acceptance of
th
tion (the cheaper one) would be to create an interface,
that allows local bureaucrats to switch on or off a set of approved
extensions on their project. The interface would then run the needed
scripts automatically. This interface needs to be written, but that's
only one time and it will s
Known problems since half a
decade (when I joined Wiki(p/m)edia) and even before. Five years ago I
understood that these dreams were impossible, but today we have the
money to actually do it. We earned 2 million recently, so please spend
some bucks on hiring people to improve the response time to
an unsuccessful search on the local
wiki (as you will get it as of now) is a dead end.
It certainly is worth putting some resources into it.
What do you think?
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Am 23.08.2010 18:20, schrieb Ole Palnatoke Andersen:
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Marcus Buck wrote:
> ...
>> In view of the potential usefulness I cannot think of any argument that
>> speaks against this in general. The prospect of providing at least basic
>> in
he town data for places in Germany,
Austria, Switzerland etc.
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An'n 23.08.2010 19:20, hett Magnus Manske schreven:
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:13 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>> On 23 August 2010 17:43, Marcus Buck wrote:
>>
>>> Although I'm sure they will establish sub-communities on the new wiki
>>> like they did o
, not producing any articles in years). That claim is
correct, but it also came with a significant decline in approval
numbers. When the language approval policy was created in 2006 we had
about 250 wikipedias (that's 50 per year since 2001). Now we have 270
wikipedias. 20 new wikipedias in a
u realize there are two different ppl in that quote above (it's
> mis-attributing it to me, and it seems like I am agreeing with myself :) ).
> I personally dont have any current issues with arz.wp and I hope the
> discussion does not go into that d
An'n 26.08.2010 00:41, hett David Gerard schreven:
> On 25 August 2010 23:34, Marcus Buck wrote:
>> Gerard Meijssen keeps his contributions to
>> the discussions secret
> Is this true? If so, what is the rationale? Described like that, that
> sounds ridiculous and unac
be done in public (e.g. for legal
reasons). I hope and assume internal-l sticks to this purpose and all
topics that don't require privacy are discussed on public lists. I don't
know the reasons why the chapter and cultural lists are internal, I have
not even ever heard abou
Gerard, would you be so kind and post a message on your mailing list
informing your co-members about this discussion and inviting them to
join in with their opinions? Would be especially nice to hear from Karen!
Is that okay?
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while Gerard often tends to evade questions and
spin them into something different.
If external experts indeed personally fear repercussions for their
comments in individual cases I would accept that as a reason to not
archive their comments. But this certai
expert. If Karen is in a situation like this: Well, delete the history
of her userpage and let her contribute pseudonymously. The employer
won't know. Just use pseudonyms! Even the experts from conflict regions
will be safe with pseudonyms. Better than publishing the names without
the conten
pears to be when expertise is offered on the basis that
> it is confidential, due to fear of attacks on the expert in question
> from aggrieved nationalists. It's not clear how to work around that
> one.
Not that tricky. Instead of publishing their name and censoring their
message, t
gt; to talk about confidential (mostly personal) issues. Previous emails
> will stay as they are, according to the old rules.
Thanks for this change from me too! Thumbs up!
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million, Sicilian even 8 million). But the Estonian-speaking society is
in no way inferior to other societies. If Siclian or Piedmontese were
not suppressed by the Italian standard language and were allowed to
establish their own education systems there
Javascript. The error can be fixed and the upload form
should work as expected. If anybody knows where in the code the form
blanking happens please report it so it can be fixed.
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An'n 25.09.2010 18:32, hett Milos Rancic schreven:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:28, Marcus Buck wrote:
>> An'n 25.09.2010 17:53, hett Milos Rancic schreven:
>>> Today I am working from my netbook. It is not so easy to find the
>>> right button and the sc
titles natively.
That would make it much easier for non-English Wikimedians to direct the
interested public to the subtitled video in the respective language.
Thanks.
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>> the dispute entirely, but it isn't easy to do.
> Well, we already have four (or is it five?) Wikipedias for the one
> language in the area. We've already dived right in.
Please keep that out of the discussion. These two disputes have nothing
in common except that th
just an on/off switch
that gives me random language subtitles) with HTML5, but I guess that's
a problem of either my browser or YouTube and cannot be fixed on
Wikimedia's side.
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> [1]. http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/closed.dblist
We don't do this if the project is valid, just inactive and can restart
at a later date. But we usually remove projects entirely if they are
closed forever. See tokipona.wikipedia.org or tlh.wikipedia.org.
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ode 'mo' by the way is deprecated because ISO
recognized it as being identical with Romanian.
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n in Cyrillic.
So if Wikimedia wanted to support a read-only Romanian in Cyrillic wiki
at ro-cyrl.wikipedia.org it could easily go live in one day. From a
technical point of view it's not hard.
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k, well, I can testify that implementing a full wiki
with converted content is not much work. Much more work was spent in
writing mailing list posts insulting Cetateanu Moldovanu calling him a
"nationalist" than would have been necessary to create a solution to the
problem.
eak the ro.wp community. If just 2% of all active ro.wp
Wikipedians leave the project in disagreement about the issue that's
twice as worse as if the 1% Romanian speakers of Transnistria are unable
to participate.
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all for users of
Cyrillic. My solution is not ideologically pure, but it at least
provides access to the full content of ro.wp to the Cyrillic users. Your
solution is ideologically pure, but will be devastating to ro.wp and
damage that wiki severely. Therefore I ask everyone to prevent tha
it's unlikely that there's a big number
of possible contributors in a population small like that (the language
proposal policy speaks of 5 users as a the minimum to approve a new
Wikipedia edition).
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to be
> shown in Cyrillic.
>
> The language policy allows for one project per project. It does explicitly
> not allow for the exclusion of people who use another script.
I demand that you give the exact quote from the policy that defines t
ark's self-assessment is mo-2 and he was one of the main contributors
before the wiki got closed down:
<http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilizator:Node_ue>.
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ased on the old unregulated
Cyrillic script but was newly designed from scratch to replace the Latin
script.
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ge of a naked underage girl in your cache illegal or
would lead to a lifetime employment barring is plain moronic. The
internet is full of this stuff. Nota bene: not full of "child abuse",
but full of material of biologically mature, but underage individuals
("amateur" porn)
t it opts for "status quo". So what's the
Foundation's rationale for not serving the Cyrillic users? (Oh, and
please don't answer with "limited resources, other important stuff to
do". That would be a weak response. Any of the above options should be
proposal because
it allows full participation as requested by Mark and Gerard and yet not
being intrusive and combined with the same level of perceived
"recognition" that upsets the Latin users. And it's even implementable
without action from the Foundation!
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