Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-21 Thread Paul Richards
Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > In article [EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > >Kai Großjohann wrote: > >> > >> "Jordan K. Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard > >> > instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it also

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-21 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kai=?iso-8859-1?q?_Gro=DFjohann?= writes: : Does this mean that this option should be called `guided'? I know a : little bit about Unix but haven't installed FreeBSD more than five : times or so. And I always thought that the novice install meant that : I didn't g

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-21 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anatoly Vorobey writes: : I'm actually scared by "novice" because it would be inflicting on me : defaults I would almost probably not want. I never run anything but : "custom", and I suspect many people do the same. I'm much too impatient to run anything but express

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
"Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote: > > At 10:36 AM 2/18/00 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >I will also say here and now that even I use the Standard installation > >since I don't like having to remember all the canonical steps in setting > >up a "stock" system and if anybody should remember them, it

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Jose M. Alcaide
Brian Beattie wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > > > "Guided". I like it. That's *PRECISELY* what this installation option > > is. There is NO difference in the number of choices available in any of > > the three types. > > > > Guided/Express/Expert. That's my vote. > >

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Jonathan Lemon
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >Kai Großjohann wrote: >> >> "Jordan K. Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard >> > instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it also makes >> > sure that all the appropri

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Brian Beattie
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Kai Großjohann wrote: > > > > "Jordan K. Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard > > > instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it also makes > > > sure that all

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Dan Langille
On 20 Feb 00, at 6:56, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > "Guided". I like it. That's *PRECISELY* what this installation option > is. There is NO difference in the number of choices available in any of > the three types. I have many times encountered a user who avoided the NOVICE install and tried one o

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Kai Großjohann wrote: > > "Jordan K. Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard > > instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it also makes > > sure that all the appropriate steps are covered and prevents even > > rela

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Anatoly Vorobey wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 11:28:45PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > > > Novice is ok, it's the other two that are problematic. Well, > > particularly "custom". "Custom" does not scare away anyone, and is > > actually actractive to Windows users. It should be called "d

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
"Brian J. McGovern" wrote: > > I don't know if I agree. "Custom" is exactly what it says... You can build > out the system with specifically the components you want. Now, perhaps I'm out That proves "Custom" is not exactly what it says. You can do the same thing with Novice. ALL installation mod

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-19 Thread Jeffrey J. Mountin
At 10:36 AM 2/18/00 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >I will also say here and now that even I use the Standard installation >since I don't like having to remember all the canonical steps in setting >up a "stock" system and if anybody should remember them, it should be >me - I've probably installed

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Kai Großjohann
"Jordan K. Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard > instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it also makes > sure that all the appropriate steps are covered and prevents even > relatively skilled people from hanging th

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Brian Beattie
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: > On Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 11:28:45PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > > > Novice is ok, it's the other two that are problematic. Well, > > particularly "custom". "Custom" does not scare away anyone, and is > > actually actractive to Windows users. It

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> it makes sense to slice it that way. Also, as far as teaching new users how > to install it, I _always_ show them the custom route. While this may sound > harsh, its used to familarize them with all of sub-components, and I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard instea

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Anatoly Vorobey
On Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 11:28:45PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > Novice is ok, it's the other two that are problematic. Well, > particularly "custom". "Custom" does not scare away anyone, and is > actually actractive to Windows users. It should be called "death trap" > or something like that

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > Novice is ok, it's the other two that are problematic. Well, > particularly "custom". "Custom" does not scare away anyone, and is > actually actractive to Windows users. It should be called "death trap" > or something like that... Huh? -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Brian J. McGovern
> Doug Barton wrote: > > > > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > > > Hmmm. Odd, I've always noted the opposite. If you do the novice instal l > > > (which everyone should if they're trying to test the "typical case"), > > > > I've always found the term "novice" to be a little of

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-18 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Doug Barton wrote: > > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > Hmmm. Odd, I've always noted the opposite. If you do the novice install > > (which everyone should if they're trying to test the "typical case"), > > I've always found the term "novice" to be a little off-putting. Perhaps > "Stan

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread Doug Barton
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > Hmmm. Odd, I've always noted the opposite. If you do the novice install > (which everyone should if they're trying to test the "typical case"), I've always found the term "novice" to be a little off-putting. Perhaps "Standard Install" would be a better choi

RE: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread John Reynolds~
[ On Thursday, February 17, John Baldwin wrote: ] > > > [printing ATA message about "waiting"] > > > Soren's been bugged about this, bug him some more. :) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > BUG BUG BUG :) > Hmm, it used to say something to that effect a while back. can't comment. I haven't done a CD ins

RE: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread John Baldwin
On 17-Feb-00 John Reynolds~ wrote: > > OK folks, here's some feedback on 4.0-RC2 from somebody who hasn't done a CD > install in a while ... I got my new HDD in last night, put her in the machine > and let it rip. Here's the things I found that either puzzled me or might > stand a bit of enhance

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On 17 Feb, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: [Cc stripped] >> o Finally, again, it seems to me that the skeleton .cshrc, .profile, >> etc. files that are used for accounts creating during install should have the >> following variables set: >> >>setenv LC_ALL en_US.ISO_8859-1 >>setenv LC_CTYPE

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> "Install" button and things proceeded to install with no hitches--however, i t > seemed that randomly (because I couldn't pick out any pattern to it) the > screen would flash back to the "FreeBSD Configuration Menu" as it cycled > through new packages to install. The gray dialog that shows w

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread Jose M. Alcaide
John Reynolds~ wrote: > > o Finally, again, it seems to me that the skeleton .cshrc, .profile, > etc. files that are used for accounts creating during install should have the > following variables set: > >setenv LC_ALL en_US.ISO_8859-1 >setenv LC_CTYPE en_US.ISO_8859-1 >setenv LAN

feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-17 Thread John Reynolds~
OK folks, here's some feedback on 4.0-RC2 from somebody who hasn't done a CD install in a while ... I got my new HDD in last night, put her in the machine and let it rip. Here's the things I found that either puzzled me or might stand a bit of enhancement before RC2->RELEASE. o As I've seen oth