Re: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels

2007-04-18 Thread Dierk van den Berg
- Original Message - From: "Jeffrey B. Gibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <> Cc: "Dierk van den Berg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels I was looking at Gaster's article in t

Re: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels

2007-04-18 Thread Jeffrey B. Gibson
Dierk van den Berg wrote: > Regrettably, Jeffrey does not care to explain his thesis of angelic 'holy > ones', inter alia based upon Theo Gastner's The Dead Sea Scriptures, > Doubleday, NY 1956/60, pp. 408f.. Be that as it may, I have reviewed Gastner's > analytic index and his (as well as Garci

Re: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels

2007-04-18 Thread Dierk van den Berg
Regrettably, Jeffrey does not care to explain his thesis of angelic 'holy ones', inter alia based upon Theo Gastner's The Dead Sea Scriptures, Doubleday, NY 1956/60, pp. 408f.. Be that as it may, I have reviewed Gastner's analytic index and his (as well as Garcia Martinez') translations of the D

Re: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels

2007-04-15 Thread . .
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  A word's meaning is in the eye of the reader. Andrew Fincke - Original Message - From: "Jeffrey B. Gibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels > > >

RE: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels

2007-04-14 Thread Suter, David
ioudaios-l; g-megillot; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels ". ." wrote: Hi, Jeffrey, They're also pimps. Because 1 Samuel 25:42 says "And Abigail stood up at once, and she mounted the mule - and her five maid-servants (

Re: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels

2007-04-14 Thread Jeffrey B. Gibson
". ." wrote: > > > Hi, Jeffrey, > > They're also pimps. Because 1 Samuel 25:42 says "And Abigail stood up > at once, and she mounted the mule - and her five maid-servants (were) > walking at her feet -, and she followed the angels of David, and she > became his wife". That after David scared

Re: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels

2007-04-14 Thread . .
o death. Andrew Fincke - Original Message - From: "Jeffrey B. Gibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:00 pm Subject: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels > Apologies for cross posting. > > Here is a rough draft of the first section of an entry on "J

Re: [Megillot] Jesus and Angels

2007-04-14 Thread Dierk van den Berg
Jeffrey, it is a fine and utmost linear approach to the scomplex theme. Perhaps a clarification of angels as 'Watchers (of the Heavens)', predominant at least in the DSS corpus, would be appreciated. And - as usual - I came across the chosen terminology, i.e. angels as 'Holy Ones', IMO self-co

[Megillot] Jesus and Angels

2007-04-13 Thread Jeffrey B. Gibson
Apologies for cross posting. Here is a rough draft of the first section of an entry on "Jesus and Angels" that I am working on for a work on the Historical Jesus that Craig Evans is editing. I'd be grateful for your thoughts on it. I'd be especially grateful if you'd help me in adding citations f

Re: [Megillot] Jesus and angels

2007-01-23 Thread Andy Chi Kit Wong
Hi Jeffrey, Besides Jub. 2 that Justin mentioned, you may also look into the Gen. Rab. 1.3, R. Yohanan thinks that angels were created on the second day; R. Hanina thinks that it happened on the fifth. Tg. Ps-J. Gen 1.26 also says that angels were created on the second day. Targum Onqelos and

Re: [Megillot] Jesus and angels

2007-01-15 Thread . .
m: "Jeffrey B. Gibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:23 pm Subject: [Megillot] Jesus and angels > I'm in the middle of writing a piece on Jesus and angels and it > suddenlystruck me that I know little about the first century > Jewish concept(s) &

RE: [Megillot] Jesus and angels

2007-01-14 Thread Justin Dombrowski
ot;hosts" in Targs Onq, Ps-J, and Neof: they all render it חיל, which often means "army" in JBA & JPA, not stars, etc. I hope that helps, Justin D. JTS, New York -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey B. Gibson Sent:

[Megillot] Jesus and angels

2007-01-14 Thread Jeffrey B. Gibson
I'm in the middle of writing a piece on Jesus and angels and it suddenly struck me that I know little about the first century Jewish concept(s) of the origin(s) of angels. I would assume that this is something alluded to or stated in the Pseudepigrapha, the DSS, and/or in Rabbinic literature. Bu