Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Dale
William Kenworthy wrote: > On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 23:18 -0500, Dale wrote: >> William Kenworthy wrote: >>> On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 21:19 -0500, Dale wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote: > ... >>> Goggle have a well known document >>> (http://research.googl

Re: [gentoo-user] kernels & swap usage

2012-08-07 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 07.08.2012 07:02, schrieb Philip Webb: > Just an observation : when I updated Libre Office & Firefox this week, > neither compile used swap (I have 4 GB RAM); > OTOH when I did them the previous time, both did use swap; > the total time & the HDD usage remained almost the same. > In between, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread William Kenworthy
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 23:18 -0500, Dale wrote: > William Kenworthy wrote: > > On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 21:19 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> Paul Hartman wrote: > >>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote: ... > > Goggle have a well known document > > (http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pd

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Adam Carter
> To wipe a drive use dban. - live CD which uses (US) gov approved > standards of wipe methods/patterns. Or shred, which comes with coreutils. > dd is only going to show sectors on a failed drive - too late! > > To explain, modern drives have a store of locations they can use to > transparently r

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Dale
William Kenworthy wrote: > On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 21:19 -0500, Dale wrote: >> Paul Hartman wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote: I didn't know you could do low level formats anymore. Really? What package provides that? Hmmm, I'm thinking about those HOURS spent fo

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread William Kenworthy
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 14:02 +1000, Adam Carter wrote: > > I have seen where people use dd to do this sort of thing to. I read > > somewhere that if you do a dd and put in all 1's, then all 0's then back > > again that it is very hard to get any data back off the drive. I think > > if you do it li

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Adam Carter
> I have seen where people use dd to do this sort of thing to. I read > somewhere that if you do a dd and put in all 1's, then all 0's then back > again that it is very hard to get any data back off the drive. I think > if you do it like over a dozen times, it is deemed impossible to get > anythi

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread William Kenworthy
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 21:19 -0500, Dale wrote: > Paul Hartman wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote: > >> I didn't know you could do low level formats anymore. Really? What > >> package provides that? Hmmm, I'm thinking about those HOURS spent > >> formatting a 100Mb drive and t

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote: >> I didn't know you could do low level formats anymore. Really? What >> package provides that? Hmmm, I'm thinking about those HOURS spent >> formatting a 100Mb drive and then thinking about how long it will take >> to do a 3Tb d

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 07 August 2012 23:39:05 Mark Knecht wrote: > >> Dead out of the box is dead. However a drive failing in a couple of >> months _might_ have showed up in the smartctl output ... > > I wonder. Does anyone here know what most often cau

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Dale wrote: > In > the meantime, it is what it is. I completely understand Dale, and I'm not picking on you. Just get that second drive as soon as you can. Cheers, Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo: stock trading tools ?

2012-08-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:54 PM, walt wrote: > On 08/07/2012 11:46 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> Each Windows VM has it's own Windows >> license as well as it's own virus protection license. I run different >> trading apps in different VMs. All trading VMs are Virtualbox. > > Just curious if you've g

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Dale wrote: > > I didn't know you could do low level formats anymore. Really? What > package provides that? Hmmm, I'm thinking about those HOURS spent > formatting a 100Mb drive and then thinking about how long it will take > to do a 3Tb drive. O_O I mean reall

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 07 August 2012 23:39:05 Mark Knecht wrote: > Dead out of the box is dead. However a drive failing in a couple of > months _might_ have showed up in the smartctl output ... I wonder. Does anyone here know what most often causes HD failure after a couple of months? I imagine it's some c

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Dale wrote: > >> Well, I don't want to force it to fail just for the heck of it. > Of course... > >> I just >> want to make sure it is not going to fail in the first few months of >> use. > But what you don't know about those failed drives is w

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo: stock trading tools ?

2012-08-07 Thread walt
On 08/07/2012 11:46 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > Each Windows VM has it's own Windows > license as well as it's own virus protection license. I run different > trading apps in different VMs. All trading VMs are Virtualbox. Just curious if you've given wine a try in recent months. I use a few proprie

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Dale wrote: > Well, I don't want to force it to fail just for the heck of it. Of course... > I just > want to make sure it is not going to fail in the first few months of > use. But what you don't know about those failed drives is whether the user could have pre

Re: [gentoo-user] Want to seriously test a NEW hard drive

2012-08-07 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Dale wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> I finally got me a 3Tb drive on the way. Should be here Wednesday. I >> have seen some reviews where it would not work right. I think some of >> it may be BIOS related since some BIOS's don't like drives that larg

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo: stock trading tools ?

2012-08-07 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 07 Aug 2012 19:46:24 Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:17 AM, James wrote: > > > > Hello Mark, > > > > I think I'll put the R stuff as research interest on a separate > > machine to evaluate... I'm Looking for some guidance on this > > (VM) subject, related to online st

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo: stock trading tools ?

2012-08-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:17 AM, James wrote: > Hello Mark, > > I think I'll put the R stuff as research interest on a separate > machine to evaluate... I'm Looking for some guidance on this > (VM) subject, related to online stock trading. Should I set up a > machine on a hardened system? SeLinu

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo: stock trading tools ?

2012-08-07 Thread James
Mark Knecht gmail.com> writes: > > I'm looking into setting up a stock market monitoring > > and trading workstation on Gentoo. Any suggestions > > or experiences are welcome. > Good luck. I don't envy you and I (attempt to) do this for a living at home... Exactly what I (feared) suspected

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo: stock trading tools ?

2012-08-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 8:51 AM, James wrote: > Hello, > > I'm looking into setting up a stock market monitoring > and trading workstation on Gentoo. Any suggestions > or experiences are welcome. > > > James Good luck. I don't envy you and I (attempt to) do this for a living at home... TTBOMK the

[gentoo-user] Gentoo: stock trading tools ?

2012-08-07 Thread James
Hello, I'm looking into setting up a stock market monitoring and trading workstation on Gentoo. Any suggestions or experiences are welcome. James

Re: [gentoo-user] crosscompiling...the point of view

2012-08-07 Thread YoYo Siska
On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 06:37:07PM +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Paul Hartman [12-08-06 17:36]: > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:01 AM, wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am asking, because I found not only one description of somehow > > > complicated setups to compile a distribution (namely gento

Re: [gentoo-user] Single user mode without keyboard ?

2012-08-07 Thread Dale
meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > Hi Dale, > > TADA! CONFIG_HIDRAW was missing in my .config. Now it works again! > Thank yoy very much for your help! :)) > > Best regards, > mcc > > This is something new. You are not the first to miss it and I almost did myself. Just shear luck on my part. I just

Re: [gentoo-user] Single user mode without keyboard ?

2012-08-07 Thread meino . cramer
Dale [12-08-07 11:44]: > meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > Hi Neil, > > > > yes they are... > > It works before (same kernel) so something different must have > > changed. > > Is there any order of scripts under /etc, which may have resorted > > while updateing Gentoo? > > > > Best regards, > > mcc >

Re: [gentoo-user] Single user mode without keyboard ?

2012-08-07 Thread Dale
meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Hi Neil, > > yes they are... > It works before (same kernel) so something different must have > changed. > Is there any order of scripts under /etc, which may have resorted > while updateing Gentoo? > > Best regards, > mcc > Someone else ran into this a few weeks or so

Re: [gentoo-user] Single user mode without keyboard ?

2012-08-07 Thread meino . cramer
Neil Bothwick [12-08-07 10:29]: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:56:31 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > > Now, I can enter the grub and add an "S" to the commandline > > and boot the kernel by pressing "B". > > > > When the kernel asks for the root password, the keyboard is > > no longer recognized.

Re: [gentoo-user] Single user mode without keyboard ?

2012-08-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:56:31 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Now, I can enter the grub and add an "S" to the commandline > and boot the kernel by pressing "B". > > When the kernel asks for the root password, the keyboard is > no longer recognized. No chance other than to press the > power butt