Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-01 Thread Steve Allen
sors made in 1970: trying to pretend that one technical time scale can serve two incompatible technical purposes. I expect that will result in yet another generation of confusion and flame wars, until all of the people and systems who know the current definition of Universal Ti

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-04 Thread Steve Allen
ation 374-1 which uses the phrase "Universal Time UT2" and does not use the term "UTC". Today's animated discussions about unclear terminology and lack of congruence between agencies are nothing new. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Obse

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-04 Thread Steve Allen
g off and when the weather is freezing then the difference Delta T = T(deg Fahrenheit) - T(deg Celsius) = 32 degrees and when the temperature reaches -40 then Delta T = 0 degrees That difference is not a temperature, just like Delta T for eclipse timing predictions is not a duration.

[LEAPSECS] historic clock offsets

2014-11-05 Thread Steve Allen
f deviations are kindof scary big, and I take them as powerful rationale that the IANA tz timezone project should make no effort to calculate sub-second offsets for far flung peoples. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-05 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2014-11-05T11:11:38 +, Tony Finch hath writ: > Does anyone know where SOFA iauDat got its data for 1960 from? Because > that predates the USNO table. By the way, which USNO table is that? I'm wondering if it is actually a reprint of the BIH table. --

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-05 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2014-11-05T15:49:05 +, Tony Finch hath writ: > Steve Allen wrote: > > By the way, which USNO table is that? > > http://maia.usno.navy.mil/ser7/tai-utc.dat Yes, that is the table from the BIH, who were given responsibility for the coordination as of the beginning of 196

Re: [LEAPSECS] the big artillery

2014-11-05 Thread Steve Allen
e, I couldn't find anything beyond "Please don't call something > you do TAI unless you are BIPM" :). http://www.itu.int/rec/R-REC-TF.536/en TF.536 is not in force. It was suppressed on 2011-02-18 I think there might be some "get off my lawn" in the story behind that.

Re: [LEAPSECS] IAU UTC report

2014-11-06 Thread Steve Allen
it disappears from the current website, for if so, then it really will look like the IAU has taken a stand. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3

Re: [LEAPSECS] IAU UTC report

2014-11-08 Thread Steve Allen
of earth rotation which is distinct from Atomic Time, and that UTC is appropriately named because it includes characteristics of both. Has the IAU taken a vote or produced a further statement at a General Assembly which changes (or even addresses) that definition of Universal Time? -- Steve Al

Re: [LEAPSECS] leap in june

2015-01-10 Thread Steve Allen
it. NTP and the NTP pool are more robust too, so that will be better. But there were other problems that nobody has talked about openly, and nothing in the current versions of the Linux kernel is going to fix those. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observat

Re: [LEAPSECS] leap in june

2015-01-10 Thread Steve Allen
On Sat 2015-01-10T05:59:39 -0800, Steve Allen hath writ: > other problems that nobody has talked about openly, and nothing in the > current versions of the Linux kernel is going to fix those. In case anyone is talking with news media there is an easy-to-grok demo of the chaotic handling

Re: [LEAPSECS] Improvements since 2012

2015-01-11 Thread Steve Allen
flags seem to be way down by now. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucolick.org/

[LEAPSECS] tzdist, handling leap seconds via timezones

2015-01-11 Thread Steve Allen
if it were a time zone. Last week I submitted a few examples of how that could work http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tzdist/current/msg01215.html -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 H

Re: [LEAPSECS] stale leap second information

2015-01-12 Thread Steve Allen
0Z", "observances": [ { "name": "UTC", "onset": "1972-01-01T00:00:10Z", "utc-offset-from": 0, "utc-offset-to": -10 }, That expiration data is inherent in the tzdist protocol as a way of ma

Re: [LEAPSECS] stale leap second information

2015-01-12 Thread Steve Allen
On Mon 2015-01-12T07:10:23 -0800, Steve Allen hath writ: > at the moment the most reliable source > is probably the IANA TimeZone Database > https://www.iana.org/time-zones > That comes with a caveat that it does not instantly respond to the > changes, so the most recent releas

Re: [LEAPSECS] stale leap second information

2015-01-12 Thread Steve Allen
Updated through IERS Bulletin C49 # File expires on: 28 December 2015 # #@ 3660249600 -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng

Re: [LEAPSECS] stale leap second information

2015-01-12 Thread Steve Allen
On Mon 2015-01-12T12:14:22 -0800, Steve Allen hath writ: > The new version which is in github reads > > # Updated through IERS Bulletin C49 > # File expires on: 28 December 2015 > # > #@ 3660249600 but also, the new version of the NIST leap-seconds.list file wh

Re: [LEAPSECS] stale leap second information

2015-01-13 Thread Steve Allen
zic and typically found in Unix /usr/share/zoneinfo -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064h

Re: [LEAPSECS] This year's Y2K: 'Leap second' threatens to break the Internet -Brooks

2015-01-13 Thread Steve Allen
ssary because the decision was not only of a technical nature but had some regulatory and legal consequences. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 4

Re: [LEAPSECS] stale leap second information

2015-01-14 Thread Steve Allen
at any client of NTP will need in order to convert to local time. That makes the tzdist protocol into one-stop shopping for info about the offset from "UTC" as stored by whatever operating system. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB N

Re: [LEAPSECS] This year's Y2K: 'Leap second' threatens to break the Internet -Brooks

2015-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
next century. I make no such claim. I have merely plotted out the numbers in the literature. Pick your favaorite number. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

Re: [LEAPSECS] stale leap second information

2015-01-17 Thread Steve Allen
r of the entire table of leap seconds. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucolick.or

Re: [LEAPSECS] Comments on predictions for this century

2015-01-17 Thread Steve Allen
obscure clues and responses to confound the contestants. Unless something significant changes in these discussions I don't see how the national delegates to the ITU-R WRC in November are going to find a basis for making their decision. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS)

Re: [LEAPSECS] Comments on predictions for this century

2015-01-17 Thread Steve Allen
isting proven practices of systems which are working okay rather than change things that affect the laws of member nations. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1

Re: [LEAPSECS] Bulletin C and all that

2015-01-25 Thread Steve Allen
s since the epoch does not conform to any explicit standard for a time scale, but it does conform to the actual number of seconds which have been broadcast by transmissions which have followed CCIR and ITU-R recommendations. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observa

Re: [LEAPSECS] Bulletin C and all that

2015-01-25 Thread Steve Allen
nd they recommended that it should start at midnight. The UK and US almanacs started the day at noon through 1924. Starting in 1925 the almanacs switched to the civil practice of starting the day at midnight. The citable references for these transitions are linked within http://www.ucoli

Re: [LEAPSECS] [QUAR] Bulletin C and all that

2015-01-26 Thread Steve Allen
ocuments that agrees with the sentence in the Metrologia article. The documents from the IAU and the CCIR were using different vocabularies for the radio broadcasts. So there is no surprise that the head of the BIPM later apologized about "regrettable misunderstandings, especially between a

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-27 Thread Steve Allen
e this is irrelevant to the activities which will happen at ITU-R WRC-15, and I don't think that misdirecting attention will help the ITU-R decide what to do. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.9985

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-27 Thread Steve Allen
e leap seconds in radio broadcast time signals will not fix devices which are claiming the existence of leap seconds which were never announced nor implemented by the radio broadcast time signals. The false servers in the NTP pool cannot be fixed by issuing a document.

Re: [LEAPSECS] Future Leap Seconds

2015-01-27 Thread Steve Allen
leo, IEEE 1588, BeiDou, and IRNSS and 'Just Say No' to UTC. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa C

[LEAPSECS] CEPT ECC viewpoint on leap seconds

2015-01-27 Thread Steve Allen
The European CEPT Electronic Communications Committee ruminates on the leap second situation at ITU-R WRC-15 http://apps.ero.dk/eccnews/jan-2015/wrc-15-universal-time.html -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat

Re: [LEAPSECS] The leap second, deep space and how we keep time -Brooks

2015-01-28 Thread Steve Allen
s, and very different from the random walk estimate of Matsakis at USNO. If there is a problem with my web pages I will be happy to debate it either publicly or discus it privately. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165

Re: [LEAPSECS] The definition of a day

2015-01-29 Thread Steve Allen
R have also not mentioned how the option of abandoning leap seconds affects the definition of the day. I haven't seen how the delegates can make an informed decision to forge a new agreement when they have inputs that do not contain analysis of of important technical,

[LEAPSECS] the year 2100

2015-02-02 Thread Steve Allen
te for Delta T is missing then kindly point out the citation for its values. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Sant

[LEAPSECS] final report of the UK leap seconds dialog

2015-02-04 Thread Steve Allen
The final report of the UK leap seconds dialog is at http://leapseconds.co.uk/reports-findings-dialogue/ Search for the word "congestion" where it looks as if it once had a footnote mentioning a system which has avoided leap second problems by adopting a purely atomic time scale. -- S

Re: [LEAPSECS] final report of the UK leap seconds dialog

2015-02-05 Thread Steve Allen
ting system vendors to incorporate the change, and for users of computers and cell phones to apply the patch. By comparison, leap second announcements are crystal clear. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +

[LEAPSECS] Asia Pacific leap seconds

2015-02-10 Thread Steve Allen
Yesterday the Asia-Pacific Telecommunity held a 3 hour session in Bangkok on the ITU-R leap second issue as part of getting ready for the second conference preparatory meeting (CPM15-2) that will be held at the end of this month. http://www.aptsec.org/2015-APG15-4 -- Steve Allen

[LEAPSECS] content of the NTP-aimed leap-seconds.list files

2015-02-10 Thread Steve Allen
Comparing these with the DNS mechanisms being developed on LEAPSECS leads me to wonder ... Are there other features which would be desirable as part of a file intended to robustly communicate the full known history of leap seconds? -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS

Re: [LEAPSECS] content of the NTP-aimed leap-seconds.list files

2015-02-11 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2015-02-11T15:05:26 +0100, Steffen Nurpmeso hath writ: > "Steve Allen" wrote: > |The IERS Paris bureau is also providing such a file. That makes at > |least three separate sources for this information. Each source has a > |different timestamp, a differen

[LEAPSECS] Asia/Pacific and UK

2015-02-11 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2015-02-11T10:00:02 +, Peter Vince hath writ: > On that link I can only see a notice that the meeting is taking place > this week. Do you know what they decided at yesterday's meeting? > On 11 February 2015 at 04:19, Steve Allen wrote: > > http://www.aptsec.o

[LEAPSECS] USNO on NPR

2015-02-18 Thread Steve Allen
Demetrios Matsakis with Robin Young of WBUR's Here and Now http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2015/02/18/leap-second-time -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 83

[LEAPSECS] prevarication?

2015-03-01 Thread Steve Allen
An op-ed in GPS World suggest the use of a GNSS simulator http://gpsworld.com/expert-advice-a-leap-into-the-unknown/ I wonder if attributing "prevarication" to the ITU-R was the best word. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natura

[LEAPSECS] epoch of TAI, and TAI vis a vis GPS

2015-03-03 Thread Steve Allen
TU-R.pdf where TAI "should not be considered as an alternative time reference." Without the assent of the BIPM it is hard for there to be an agreed upon name for real-time versions of time scales that are trying to track the value of TAI (which will not actually be available until the

Re: [LEAPSECS] epoch of TAI, and TAI vis a vis GPS

2015-03-04 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2015-03-04T07:42:46 +, michael.deckers via LEAPSECS hath writ: > On 2015-03-04 02:23, Steve Allen wrote on the > >Getting meaninglessly pedantic, in Survey Review v19 #143 p7 (1967) > >A.R. Robins had been talking with Sadler and Smith and with that > >informa

Re: [LEAPSECS] My FOSDEM slides

2015-03-04 Thread Steve Allen
farm in Oregon may be saved to disk, shipped across the continent to North Carolina, and restarted over a second later -- or kept on disk and replicated and restarted even later, multiple times. What happens with a negative leap second is a lot like what happens to non-real-time pr

[LEAPSECS] a Japanese leap smear?

2015-03-04 Thread Steve Allen
It looks like Kyushu Telecommunication network is considering its own version of the leap smear http://www.slideshare.net/apnic/the-leap-second-is-coming-by-tomonori-takada-apricot-2015 -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II

[LEAPSECS] CPM15-2 at the end of the month

2015-03-04 Thread Steve Allen
one that wants to edit the current text for Agenda Item 1.14. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064

Re: [LEAPSECS] My FOSDEM slides

2015-03-06 Thread Steve Allen
torical investigation for any given locale. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064h

Re: [LEAPSECS] My FOSDEM slides

2015-03-06 Thread Steve Allen
time scale if the original observations and equipment were meticulously calibrated. And then they must be reduced by going back to look at, e.g. https://plus.google.com/photos/112320138481375234766/albums/6078225731350227361 Please don't try to make this part of a General Timestamp API. B

Re: [LEAPSECS] Civil timekeeping before 1 January 1972

2015-03-07 Thread Steve Allen
t to switch to some > other timescale depending on the purpose at hand. Exactly so. Before 1972 civil time was not SI seconds. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

[LEAPSECS] ITU-R CPM15-2

2015-03-10 Thread Steve Allen
existing draft. Those are from United States Russia UK China UAE, Algeria, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Sudan Germany I think this is an unprecedented level of active participation. So it seems the CPM will be doing a lot of wordsmithing on the document to be presented for a vote at WRC. -- Steve Allen

[LEAPSECS] Letters Blogatory

2015-03-11 Thread Steve Allen
Ted Folkman is a lawyer who blogs about international law https://lettersblogatory.com/2015/03/11/letters-blogatory-opposes-abolition-of-the-leap-second/#more-20126 -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165Lat

[LEAPSECS] UTC fails

2015-03-11 Thread Steve Allen
hing working that does not get bothered by differences of several nanoseconds, then ignore the international recommendations and choose GPS time, Galileo, BeiDou, the Indian satellite system time, or some PTP-based system via a device which claims to be using one of those

Re: [LEAPSECS] Civil timekeeping before 1 January 1972

2015-03-13 Thread Steve Allen
for Agenda Item 1.14 there are going to be a whole bunch of delegations arguing over the meaning of "calendar day" with some insisting that it is related to the rotation of the earth and others denying the validity of the question. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS)

[LEAPSECS] impending leap second issues

2015-04-14 Thread Steve Allen
with firmware 3.906 or lower OEM6 receivers with firmware 6.100(OEM060100RN) or lower http://www.novatel.com/assets/Documents/Bulletins/2015-Leap-Second.pdf Avaya AIC 7.2.x AIC 7.3.X for Windows/Solaris and AIX platforms https://downloads.avaya.com/css/P8/documents/101009257 -- Steve Allen

[LEAPSECS] Australian leap second review

2015-04-14 Thread Steve Allen
-planning-ITU-and-other-international-planning-bodies/wrc-15-agenda-item-114 -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA

[LEAPSECS] financial markets

2015-04-26 Thread Steve Allen
Recommendation 460, that is a complete lack of concern for the distinction between UTC and GMT. The CCIR were wrong when they thought they could solve all problems with a single time scale where nobody but the Time Lords would ever have to worry about the difference. -- Steve Allen

[LEAPSECS] Australia, Asia-Pacific Telecommunity

2015-04-26 Thread Steve Allen
;t this be decided by experts" and "what's the worst case scenario resulting from WRC-15". -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046

Re: [LEAPSECS] Question about UT1 and the IERS Reference Meridian

2015-04-29 Thread Steve Allen
een abandoned in favor of more precise modern techniques. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http:/

Re: [LEAPSECS] LOD and gravity connected ?

2015-04-29 Thread Steve Allen
in use The BIH was woefully underfunded and I suspect that they could not consider re-reducing the older observations to the newer system. Everyone just had to hope that any shifts/discontinuities due to the change of techniques and models were inconsequentially small. -- Steve Allen

Re: [LEAPSECS] Question about UT1 and the IERS Reference Meridian

2015-04-29 Thread Steve Allen
ridian on which one would stand in order to have the mean sun overhead at noon UT1 is 0.18 s farther east than the International Reference Meridian. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

[LEAPSECS] Oh no, not again

2015-04-30 Thread Steve Allen
Dennis McCarthy, Wayne Hanson, Ronald Beard and William Klepczynski write in the spirit of the bowl of petunias ... http://gpsworld.com/expert-advice-a-leap-second-one-more-time/ -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165

[LEAPSECS] W1K GPS rollover for some time servers

2015-05-03 Thread Steve Allen
g the blame! -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/Hgt +

Re: [LEAPSECS] W1K GPS rollover for some time servers

2015-05-03 Thread Steve Allen
ample. Leap seconds are another. And as Boeing has just revealed about the 787, counting past 2**31 centiseconds is another. Bugs will always happen. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156

Re: [LEAPSECS] Civil timekeeping before 1 January 1972

2015-05-05 Thread Steve Allen
aboratories are given with decimals to 0.1 microsecond, or 100 nanoseconds. > I don't believe 3 ns is significant for any time stamp from that > era. Right. There is no record of the available time scales that can say anything about the time differences at t

Re: [LEAPSECS] W1K GPS rollover for some time servers

2015-05-05 Thread Steve Allen
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tzdist-service/ We choose to use those for time zones, and if at WRC-15 the ITU-R chooses to preserve the rotation of the earth as the basis for the calendar day then we can choose to use those protocols for leap seconds. -- Steve Allen

[LEAPSECS] oh, lookie! Method D

2015-05-06 Thread Steve Allen
sults of the studies are inconclusive." -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucolic

[LEAPSECS] more financial preparation

2015-05-13 Thread Steve Allen
/ArchiveServlet?issueid=CCE8E0F3-D604-4341-847D-2450912C7378&lmid=archives https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/7459379719283518978 about the leap second, preparedness, regulatory issues, etc. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Science

Re: [LEAPSECS] more financial preparation

2015-05-18 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2015-05-13T07:37:17 -0700, Steve Allen hath writ: > FIA deals with financial futures, options, derivatives and is > preparing for the leap second. > > https://fia.org/articles/fia-response-2015-leap-second-event Which has moved to https://fia.org/articles/fia-coordina

Re: [LEAPSECS] Look Before You Leap ? The Coming Leap Second and AWS | Hacker News

2015-05-21 Thread Steve Allen
to decide what "day" means, and for all those other details to be handled outside the kernel in the libraries and applications. If that decision for the kind of "day" is any form of Universal Time then, over the long span of time, POSIX is count

[LEAPSECS] US Department of Homeland Security

2015-05-28 Thread Steve Allen
CGSIC is echoing a Department of Homeland Security document about the impending leap second. http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/cgsic/Leap_Second_Best_Practices_20150526_Intrl_Version.pdf -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room

Re: [LEAPSECS] Google, Amazon, now Microsoft

2015-05-29 Thread Steve Allen
are on the verge of being irrelevant. This a huge gulf between the sysadmins, their regulators who have required the use of UTC rather than TAI or GPS, and the precice time and frequency communities. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sc

Re: [LEAPSECS] Google, Amazon, now Microsoft

2015-05-31 Thread Steve Allen
s. And in 2012 the financial markets were not running, so as PHK writes, this next leap should be very interesting. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831

Re: [LEAPSECS] Actual versus legal duration makes programming hard

2015-06-01 Thread Steve Allen
-box defaults can just work without any choices. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www

[LEAPSECS] authoritative tz project info

2015-06-01 Thread Steve Allen
ec. These are good questions for the tz mail list because the denizens there have memory of many of the crazy things that local officials have declared during the history of the tz project. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Ro

Re: [LEAPSECS] Actual versus legal duration makes programming hard

2015-06-01 Thread Steve Allen
On Mon 2015-06-01T17:36:34 +, Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ: > In message <20150601172537.gc14...@ucolick.org>, Steve Allen writes: > > >We need a resolution of the issue so that the out-of-the-box defaults > >can just work without any choices. > > I'm happy

Re: [LEAPSECS] Actual versus legal duration makes programming hard

2015-06-01 Thread Steve Allen
n that requires two interoperable implementations before they approve a standard. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, C

[LEAPSECS] leap smears in Linux kernel mail list

2015-06-04 Thread Steve Allen
An issue with the Linux kernel handling of leap seconds was revealed at the end of May. The discussion thread in the LKML mentions ways of codifying smears. https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/6/3/891 -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences

Re: [LEAPSECS] 'right' zone in tzdata on Linux

2015-06-22 Thread Steve Allen
or is there an error in the TZ database? Is your system clock set 25 seconds faster than POSIX wants? That's actually kindof hard, because I know of no standard time package which will do it. Pictures of this at http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/amsci.html -- Steve Allen

[LEAPSECS] as expected, e-mail from the robotic telescope says

2015-06-30 Thread Steve Allen
Subject: APF: EOS Telescope (PMAC) clock error The difference between 'PMAC' and Unix time is now -0.992489, and has been >= 0.050 for 10 seconds -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99

[LEAPSECS] state of the leap

2015-08-01 Thread Steve Allen
-briefs-and-ecps-for-wrc-15 Method A is supported by France. Method C is supported by Russia. I am certain that the diplomats are continuing to negotiate. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High

[LEAPSECS] countdown to WRC-15

2015-08-29 Thread Steve Allen
. In particular the one on http://www.itu.int/md/R15-WRC15PREPWORK-C-0008/en has a chart on page 13 which shows the currently known positions of the regional groups. There is no consensus. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II

[LEAPSECS] countdown to WRC-15, CEPT ECC CPG

2015-10-04 Thread Steve Allen
agencies have no position, and others disagree, so no consensus is evident. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064

Re: [LEAPSECS] countdown to WRC-15, CEPT ECC CPG

2015-10-05 Thread Steve Allen
as had no luck getting the attention of her own nation's delegation and she wrote to here wondering if we knew a way. I had to write sadly that I suspect that most of the cooperating organizations have already had their deadlines for setting up credentials for WRC. --

Re: [LEAPSECS] Cisco testing leapseconds now ?

2015-10-24 Thread Steve Allen
econds in new and old Cisco equipment. There's a whole series of notes on other Cisco boxes. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -1

[LEAPSECS] RA & WRC 15, AI 1.14, leap second alliances

2015-10-24 Thread Steve Allen
e one from Asia-Pacific Telecommunity R15-WRC15-C-0032!A14!MSW-E.docx which prefers method A1, rejects method B, and cautions about A2. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

[LEAPSECS] And so it begins ...

2015-10-28 Thread Steve Allen
... the press coverage of WRC-15 and the leap second http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/networks/leap-second-heads-into-fierce-debate -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

Re: [LEAPSECS] And so it begins ...

2015-10-29 Thread Steve Allen
prevented a regional position from being reached. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucoli

[LEAPSECS] WRC 15, AI 1.14, leap second scorecard

2015-10-31 Thread Steve Allen
Arab Spectrum Management Group (ASMG) http://www.itu.int/md/R15-WRC15-C-0025/en They want no change [ 62 ] 2015-10-15 China (People's Republic of) http://www.itu.int/md/R15-WRC15-C-0062/en They support A1 -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB

Re: [LEAPSECS] What happened in the late 1990s to slow the rate of leap seconds?

2015-11-08 Thread Steve Allen
s/amsci.html For a historic view of the LOD going back 2000 years look at the plots on http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/dutc.html -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoi

Re: [LEAPSECS] What happened in the late 1990s to slow the rate of leap seconds?

2015-11-13 Thread Steve Allen
ations in LOD that happen on a weekly basis due to weather. Folks in the earth rotation bureaus want to see a detectable earthquake-induced LOD change so that they can publish, but I haven't seen such a paper. I believe that it is easier to find the effect of a large snowstorm in the LOD data

[LEAPSECS] UK leap seconds public dialog site

2015-11-15 Thread Steve Allen
A casual glance demonstrates that nobody is maintaining the blog content at the UK Public Dialog on Leap Seconds. http://leapseconds.co.uk/discuss/general-discussion/ -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat

[LEAPSECS] dismaying news

2015-11-17 Thread Steve Allen
of an international recommendation. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucolick.org/~sla

[LEAPSECS] WRC-15 press release

2015-11-19 Thread Steve Allen
The news is official. Leaps until 2023, and more studies. https://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2015/53.aspx -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1

Re: [LEAPSECS] Fwd: IERS Message No. 282: Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) to retain "leap second"

2015-11-23 Thread Steve Allen
eridian and longitude. The resulting text was incongruous nonsense trying to indicate some connection between longitude and atomic time. I hope the final result of WRC makes more sense than the proposal I saw. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sc

[LEAPSECS] WRC Final Acts

2015-12-05 Thread Steve Allen
can move toward a resolution of this issue. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.ucolick

Re: [LEAPSECS] leap seconds schedule prior to 1972

2016-04-11 Thread Steve Allen
f particular requirements. So this is cool, and may be applicable to some applications, but I'm not sure which ones those are. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap Seconds schedule prior to 1972

2016-04-23 Thread Steve Allen
years ago, so the notion of second had a contemporary meaning which was much more figurative than precise. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap Seconds schedule prior to 1972

2016-04-23 Thread Steve Allen
econd proposals > or pUTC design decisions. Definitely true. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa C

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap Seconds schedule prior to 1972

2016-04-27 Thread Steve Allen
pond to contemporary records of 500 years ago. -- Steve AllenWGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High StreetVoice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064http://www.

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