Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:25 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Dos? How newfangled. I had to use the debugger to patch the terminal > control sequences for my (text) terminal emulator under CP/M into > WordStar. Yes, the manual contained the patch locations and > descriptions for the terminal sequence

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

"Peter Gentry" writes: > Actually I always thought WordStar was better than WordPerfect and > still yearn for Dos and Basic. Dos? How newfangled. I had to use the debugger to patch the terminal control sequences for my (text) terminal emulator under CP/M into WordStar. Yes, the manual contain

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Actually I always thought WordStar was better than WordPerfect and still yearn for Dos and Basic. Progress is a wonderful thing, things just get more complex regards Peter Gentry ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Hi Wol, > imho [Word] STILL hasn't caught up with the dedicated word processing > programs for professionals (such as WordPerfect) which were around in the 80s > - thirty years ago! Depends on your definition of “caught up”, I suppose. ;) In terms of the number of people who use it, there’s no

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 05/12/2013 02:09, Tim McNamara wrote: Powerful software and simple software are usually mutually exclusive. Compare Word, Pages and LaTeX, for example. Pages is more elegant but can do a small fraction of what Word can do. Word can't do a lot of things that LaTeX can. Word is aimed at peo

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Anthonys Lists writes: > Likewise, I have no trouble using lilypond's *P*D*F* manuals. My mind > is very text-oriented. But I HATE HYPERTEXT. My IQ is off the scale > (not really, but I'm in the top few percent of the population), but > give me a web-site and if what I'm looking for is not starin

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 09/12/2013 06:12, James Harkins wrote: My flippant response makes it sound like any reasonably intelligent person would find the right information fairly quickly, casting the problem in terms of user carelessness. That was a misstatement. My point is that reasonably intelligent, reasonably c

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 15:56 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Richard Shann writes: > > > I thought I would test out the binary that is on denemo.org and > > downloaded it in a virtual machine running a vanilla Debian stable O/S, > > the result: it will not even start. The executables ~/usr/bin/denem

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Richard Shann writes: > I thought I would test out the binary that is on denemo.org and > downloaded it in a virtual machine running a vanilla Debian stable O/S, > the result: it will not even start. The executables ~/usr/bin/denemo and > ~/usr/bin/lilypond are present and have the right permissi

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 14:15 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Richard Shann writes: > > > On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 11:51 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > >> David Kastrup writes: > >> > >> _Very_ frustrating and unusable. Complains about missing libraries when > >> starting but those are available in Ub

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 11:51 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > David Kastrup writes: > > > Richard Shann writes: > > > >> On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 09:52 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > >> > >>> Denemo: this is a GUI application for writing music scores that uses > >>> LilyPond internally for creating its

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

David Kastrup writes: > ** (denemo:6378): WARNING **: Trying to read the pdf file > file:///tmp/DenemoneMNfd/denemoprintA.pdf gave an error: Error opening > file: No such file or directory > > starting to generate LilyPond > > finished generating LilyPond > > > which is probably related to the pr

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

David Kastrup writes: > Richard Shann writes: > >> On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 09:52 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> >>> Denemo: this is a GUI application for writing music scores that uses >>> LilyPond internally for creating its output. While working with it, >>> you will not be exposed to the LilyP

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Richard Shann writes: > On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 09:52 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Denemo: this is a GUI application for writing music scores that uses >> LilyPond internally for creating its output. While working with it, >> you will not be exposed to the LilyPond language at all, > > This is

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 09:52 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > James Harkins writes: > > > Carl's two-column approach is pretty much what I had in > > mind. Although, he suggests this would be only a slight improvement. I > > think it could be more than that. Suppose we introduce the downloads > > wit

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Am 09.12.2013 10:15, schrieb James Harkins: Denemo: this is a GUI application for writing music scores that uses LilyPond internally for creating its output. I think this is too much to ask people to read on the download page. The download page should be as simple as possible and direct pe

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Monday, December 9, 2013 4:52:08 PM HKT, David Kastrup wrote: James Harkins writes: Carl's two-column approach is pretty much what I had in mind. Although, he suggests this would be only a slight improvement. I think it could be more than that. Suppose we introduce the downloads with a coup

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 00:10 +0100, Federico Bruni wrote: > 2013/12/5 Richard Shann > The Denemo windows and mac binaries have LilyPond built in. > Not sure > about the GNU/Linux one. > > > I would bet that it's not built in. I just checked, and the GNU/Linux one does in

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

James Harkins writes: > Carl's two-column approach is pretty much what I had in > mind. Although, he suggests this would be only a slight improvement. I > think it could be more than that. Suppose we introduce the downloads > with a couple of paragraphs across the top: > > ~~ > IMPORTANT: A compl

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Am 09.12.2013 07:28, schrieb Carl Peterson: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:12 AM, James Harkins > wrote: Carl's two-column approach is pretty much what I had in mind. Although, he suggests this would be only a slight improvement. I think it could be more than t

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:12 AM, James Harkins wrote: > Carl's two-column approach is pretty much what I had in mind. Although, he > suggests this would be only a slight improvement. I think it could be more > than that. Suppose we introduce the downloads with a couple of paragraphs > across the t

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

As mentioned earlier, I'm currently trying to review the "entry path" on lilypond.org, particularly from the potential new user perspective. Thank you all for these opinions that I'll take into account. Urs James Harkins schrieb: >On Monday, December 9, 2013 12:02:31 PM HKT, James Harkins wr

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Monday, December 9, 2013 12:02:31 PM HKT, James Harkins wrote: On Dec 9, 2013 11:52 AM, "Mark Stephen Mrotek" wrote: Mr. Harkins, Two or three hops are not too much for anyone that reads and follows directions. Then you have more faith than I in general usage patterns on the internet.

RE: A thought on Windows Experience

Mr. Peterson, Thank you for your reply and conciliatory suggestion. Mark From: Carl Peterson [mailto:carlopeter...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 8:27 PM To: jamshar...@dewdrop-world.net Cc: Mark Stephen Mrotek; Mailinglist lilypond-user Subject: RE: A thought on Windows

RE: A thought on Windows Experience

On Dec 8, 2013 11:02 PM, "James Harkins" wrote: > > On Dec 9, 2013 11:52 AM, "Mark Stephen Mrotek" wrote: > > > > Mr. Harkins, > > > > Two or three hops are not too much for anyone that reads and follows directions. > > Then you have more faith than I in general usage patterns on the internet. (A

RE: A thought on Windows Experience

Mr. Harkins, Perhaps my faith is not so much an problem as is your cynicism. Mark From: James Harkins [mailto:jamshar...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 8:03 PM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: RE: A thought on Windows Experience On Dec 9

RE: A thought on Windows Experience

On Dec 9, 2013 11:52 AM, "Mark Stephen Mrotek" wrote: > > Mr. Harkins, > > Two or three hops are not too much for anyone that reads and follows directions. Then you have more faith than I in general usage patterns on the internet. (As in, you still think people read and follow directions online.)

RE: A thought on Windows Experience

: Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:30 PM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience Mark Stephen Mrotek ca.rr.com> writes: > The Lilypond website presents “Manuals” that when clicked displays a > page that starts with “Text Input … Read this first.” > That hot li

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Mark Stephen Mrotek ca.rr.com> writes: > The Lilypond website presents “Manuals” that when clicked displays a page that starts with “Text Input … Read this first.” > That hot link goes to a page that has a section titled “Easier editing environments.” A hot link takes one to a list including Fres

RE: A thought on Windows Experience

thought on Windows Experience Am 08.12.2013 23:59, schrieb Federico Bruni: 2013/12/5 Trevor Daniels I agree strongly with both these points. Two things are needed: a) Augment Fresco on installation to prompt and help users to download and install LilyPond. I think Urs is considering doing

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/5 Richard Shann > The Denemo windows and mac binaries have LilyPond built in. Not sure > about the GNU/Linux one. > I would bet that it's not built in. In debian lilypond is recommended, it's not a dependency of denemo: $ apt-cache depends denemo | grep lilypond Recommends: lilypond

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Am 08.12.2013 23:59, schrieb Federico Bruni: 2013/12/5 Trevor Daniels > David Kastrup wrote Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:17 AM > Janek Warcho? mailto:janek.lilyp...@gmail.com>> writes: > >> I believe that the most important thing is just to have

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/5 Trevor Daniels > > David Kastrup wrote Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:17 AM > > > > Janek Warchoł writes: > > > >> I believe that the most important thing is just to have a powerful > >> editor installed with LilyPond so that people get the most of LilyPond > >> right away. > > > > For

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Am 07.12.2013 23:57, schrieb David Kastrup: I would imagine that it works best when one instance of Frescobaldi is able to install several versions of LilyPond. If those in turn try installing Frescobaldi, this is not likely going to end well. I would say so too. Given that Denemo _contains_ on

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Noeck writes: > Am 07.12.2013 17:17, schrieb Janek Warchoł: >> 2013/12/7 Phil Holmes : >>> Links and recommendations - fine, great, wonderful. Bundled install? No >>> way - that's when I'd stop being release manager and when I'd freeze at the >>> current LilyPond install. > > Why so categorical

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

El 07/12/2013 15:48, "Joseph Rushton Wakeling" escribió: > I don't see why you assume that. There's no particular reason why you need an identical bundled install for every platform -- different platforms come with different expectations on the part of users, so it should be fine to have e.g. a

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Am 07.12.2013 17:41, schrieb Mark Stephen Mrotek: I would imagine that when you install Frescobaldi, it updates the Windows file config such that Frescobaldi becomes the default program with which to open files with the .ly extension. Yes, that's the case. I just did an install of Frescobaldi

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling" To: "Phil Holmes" ; "Janek Warchoł" Cc: "LilyPond Users" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 5:00 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience On 07/12/13 17:55, Phil Holmes wrote:

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 07/12/13 17:55, Phil Holmes wrote: Patches welcome. Should I take that as conceding the argument in principle? :-) I know it's frustrating to see so much discussion and no code, but one reason people discuss so much is because they want to make sure there is a solution that will satisfy e

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling" To: "Phil Holmes" ; "Janek Warchoł" Cc: "LilyPond Users" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:48 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience On 07/12/13 17:14, Phil Holmes wrote: I

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 07/12/13 17:43, Phil Holmes wrote: So we have to have even more large files residing on the server, when we already have enough. This assumes that it isn't possible for the basic installer to be a lightweight tool that contains nothing itself, but that downloads and installs selected indiv

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 07/12/13 17:14, Phil Holmes wrote: I've already said I oppose this, and I'll restate this. I think it's unfortunate that your opposition consists of just saying "no", rather than trying to work out if there are ways to get what you want _and_ get what other people are suggesting. For exa

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: "Noeck" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience Am 07.12.2013 17:17, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/7 Phil Holmes : Links and recommendations - fine, great, wonderful. Bundled install? No wa

RE: A thought on Windows Experience

; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience On 06/12/13 00:47, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: > Since I am not a programmer, I am not sure why, yet when I double > click a .ly file in Windows 7 Frescobaldi opens (rapidly) and displays the code. I would imagine that when you i

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Am 07.12.2013 17:17, schrieb Janek Warchoł: > 2013/12/7 Phil Holmes : >> Links and recommendations - fine, great, wonderful. Bundled install? No >> way - that's when I'd stop being release manager and when I'd freeze at the >> current LilyPond install. Why so categorical? How about finding comp

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/7 Phil Holmes : > Links and recommendations - fine, great, wonderful. Bundled install? No > way - that's when I'd stop being release manager and when I'd freeze at the > current LilyPond install. We could have both bundled and unbundled installer. But right now noone seems to be willing

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling" To: "Janek Warchoł" Cc: "LilyPond Users" Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience On 07/12/13 16:49, Janek Warchoł wrote: you're probably right.

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 07/12/13 16:52, David Kastrup wrote: The last time I thought that was when I wanted to compare how much worse Emacs fared when using it for working on LaTeX files compared to a specialized simple text editor called Kile or something. Emacs hit in at over 16MB with my current work session (gra

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/7 Joseph Rushton Wakeling : > On 07/12/13 16:49, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> >> you're probably right. as i said, i don't know this stuff. > > > Well, in this case I think it's not about what you know -- it's about what > you think is best to do. If it turns out that the easiest way to organi

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 07/12/13 16:49, Janek Warchoł wrote: you're probably right. as i said, i don't know this stuff. Well, in this case I think it's not about what you know -- it's about what you think is best to do. If it turns out that the easiest way to organize things is to have one install bundle for al

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: > On 06/12/13 00:47, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: >> Since I am not a programmer, I am not sure why, yet when I double click a >> .ly file in Windows 7 Frescobaldi opens (rapidly) and displays the code. > > I would imagine that when you install Frescobaldi, it update

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/7 Joseph Rushton Wakeling : > On 06/12/13 23:37, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> >> Well, i'm not familiar with this area, but keep in mind that one has >> to find a free, open-source solution that works for every platform we >> support (Win, Mac, various Unixes) and can be automated. It's not >>

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 06/12/13 23:37, Janek Warchoł wrote: Well, i'm not familiar with this area, but keep in mind that one has to find a free, open-source solution that works for every platform we support (Win, Mac, various Unixes) and can be automated. It's not enough to go and create one installer - we need sof

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 06/12/13 00:47, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: Since I am not a programmer, I am not sure why, yet when I double click a .ly file in Windows 7 Frescobaldi opens (rapidly) and displays the code. I would imagine that when you install Frescobaldi, it updates the Windows file config such that Fresc

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

Am 06.12.2013 09:12, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson : Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to make an obvious change between two

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/6 Phil Burfitt : > What exactly is not easy to implement in Joseph Rushton Wakeling's > suggestion of an optional frescobaldi install from lilypond's windows > installer? Well, i'm not familiar with this area, but keep in mind that one has to find a free, open-source solution that works fo

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Phil Holmes wrote: > > Well, yes, as CPU load. I remain of the view that this is not a good use > of time - there are other things that will be of greater value for less > effort. Remember, you'll not be doing this by editing HTML, but the > texi2HTML control fil

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

- Original Message - From: "Phil Burfitt" To: "Phil Holmes" ; "Carl Peterson" ; "James Harkins" Cc: "Mailinglist lilypond-user" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Window

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

- Original Message - From: "Phil Holmes" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 3:35 PM Our server is provided on a goodwill basis, and so we would not want to use any scripting that might load it. Carl Perterson wrote: CSS gradients can be coded for fewer bytes and one less server reques

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

- Original Message - From: Carl Peterson I want to eventually eliminate any image file that does not contribute to content. The first victim of this will be the gradient images used for the header and navigation backgrounds. CSS gradients can be coded for fewer bytes and one less serv

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Phil Holmes wrote: > > Our server is provided on a goodwill basis, and so we would not want to > use any scripting that might load it. > > I was thinking that was the case. This would be a script that would append all the request headers to a text file on the serv

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:00 AM, James Harkins wrote: > A side comment, picking up on a comment in the "Windows experience" thread: > > I hope the new site will avoid any hooks to Google analytics or other APIs. > I'm behind the Great Firewall of China, and I see frequently how Google > dependenci

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: Carl Peterson Here is the question that gets to your question: what are the server-side capabilities of the LilyPond web server? I think one of the issues is that some of these require backend capabilities that may or may not be available. Also, is the code

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Phil Burfitt wrote: > From: "Janek Warchoł" > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:16 AM > > > >> * why are you out-sourcing tracking (google analytics)? >>> >> >> I suppose that when that was decided upon, there may have been no good >> free alternatives to Google

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

From: "David Kastrup" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:43 PM "Phil Burfitt" writes: What exactly is not easy to implement in Joseph Rushton Wakeling's suggestion of an optional frescobaldi install from lilypond's windows installer? That very much provokes the answer "Patches welcome

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

A side comment, picking up on a comment in the "Windows experience" thread: I hope the new site will avoid any hooks to Google analytics or other APIs. I'm behind the Great Firewall of China, and I see frequently how Google dependencies cause page loading times to balloon, while the browser wait

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

"Phil Burfitt" writes: > What exactly is not easy to implement in Joseph Rushton Wakeling's > suggestion of an optional frescobaldi install from lilypond's windows > installer? That very much provokes the answer "Patches welcome", but of course that might already be too optimistic. "Patches wil

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

From: "Janek Warchoł" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:16 AM * why are you out-sourcing tracking (google analytics)? I suppose that when that was decided upon, there may have been no good free alternatives to Google Analytics. But now there is for example Piwik - we're using it for the bl

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: "Janek Warchol" Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:36 PM The way many Windows installers work is that they present you as a user with a list of components to select to be installed, of which some will be selected (or not) by default. There's no reason

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Hi, 2013/12/6 Phil Burfitt : > I did have a very brief look at the home page however > > * why are you out-sourcing tracking (google analytics)? I suppose that when that was decided upon, there may have been no good free alternatives to Google Analytics. But now there is for example Piwik - w

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

From: "Werner LEMBERG" Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:34 PM It's not so much about texinfo but... ... but someone who is an experienced web page designer and/or JavaScript programmer/user. The separation between content and presentation is already there due to the very nature of texinfo

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013/12/6 Carl Peterson : > Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and > stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, > formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to make an obvious > change between two things while still making them look li

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Carl Sorensen wrote: > > On 12/5/13 9:43 AM, "Carl Peterson" wrote: > > > > >1) Review the CSS of both the website and the documentation. These are > >simply CSS files that don't need any compiling or reconfiguring. The > >eyesore for me is the documentation, and

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

On 12/5/13 9:43 AM, "Carl Peterson" wrote: > >1) Review the CSS of both the website and the documentation. These are >simply CSS files that don't need any compiling or reconfiguring. The >eyesore for me is the documentation, and it would be nice to start to >move the two into more of a seamless

RE: A thought on Windows Experience (was: useability, promoting, etc)

=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Rushton Wakeling Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:20 PM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience (was: useability, promoting, etc) Open the file, I'd say. It'd be pretty intrusive if simply double-clicking on a te

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Am 05.12.2013 23:29, schrieb Ryan McClure: On 12/05/2013 05:20 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: The way many Windows installers work is that they present you as a user with a list of components to select to be installed, of which some will be selected (or not) by default. There's no reason n

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/5 Ryan McClure : > On 12/05/2013 05:20 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: >> >> The way many Windows installers work is that they present you as a user >> with a list of components to select to be installed, of which some will be >> selected (or not) by default. There's no reason not to ha

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On 12/05/2013 05:20 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: The way many Windows installers work is that they present you as a user with a list of components to select to be installed, of which some will be selected (or not) by default. There's no reason not to have Frescobaldi bundled with the ins

Re: A thought on Windows Experience (was: useability, promoting, etc)

On 04/12/13 19:02, Phil Holmes wrote: For me, I'd say that we should not install Frescobaldi as a pre-requisite of running Lily on Windows. I'm a heavy Windows user, and would not want another program installed by default. I've not used it, but I do understand that many people feel it's excelle

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 11:59 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 05.12.2013 11:54, schrieb Richard Shann: > > The Denemo windows and mac binaries have LilyPond built in. Not sure > > about the GNU/Linux one. > > Which LP version? The latest Denemo binary for windows has LilyPond 2.16.2 built-in. But you c

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

> Tim and Werner, I would love to, and have considered a few times in > the past. Unfortunately I do not have the time, have no experience > of texinfo, and would probably have to ditch it within the coming > year due to future plans anyway. It's not so much about texinfo but... > I don't know

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

Hi, 2013/12/5 Carl Peterson : > Having dived into the git repo and page source a little, here is what I see > as the "road map" to improving the look of the LilyPond website, with an eye > toward getting the most benefit the fastest. > [...] I have no expertise in these areas, so i cannot comment

LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

Branching this discussion into its own topic On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Phil Burfitt wrote: > > Tim McNamara wrote: > >> >> If you think that Lilypond's web page needs a facelift, then >> volunteer to roll up your sleeves and help change it... >> >> > Werner Lemberg wrote: > >> >> Do yo

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Tim McNamara wrote: If you think that Lilypond's web page needs a facelift, then volunteer to roll up your sleeves and help change it... Werner Lemberg wrote: Do you want to work on that? We don't have a specialist who really likes to dive into the nifty HTML and Java issues while crea

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/5 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> Anyway, what about something like this: a "higher-level" installer >> that installs LilyPond and lets user choose what editing program he >> wants to use: >> >> "LilyPond files can be edited using different programs. Pleasse >> choose what to

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: "Francisco Vila" To: "Carl Peterson" Cc: "David Kastrup" ; "LilyPond Users" Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:52 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience 2013/12/5 Carl Peterson : There are modern tool

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

- Original Message - From: Carl Peterson There are modern tools for web development? Seriously, though, except when I've been using a package like WordPress, I've pretty much been hand coding websites for the last dozen years or so, partly because of "popular HTML authoring tools gene

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013/12/5 Carl Peterson : > There are modern tools for web development? Seriously, though, except when > I've been using a package like WordPress, I've pretty much been hand coding > websites for the last dozen years or so, partly because of "popular HTML > authoring tools generating oodles of garb

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Carl Peterson writes: > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:42 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Carl Peterson writes: >> > Where do I sign up and what do I need to know about the way the >> > current site works? I cannot write a single line of C++, my Scheme >> > skills are meager at best (limited mostly to

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:42 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > Carl Peterson writes: > > Where do I sign up and what do I need to know about the way the > > current site works? I cannot write a single line of C++, my Scheme > > skills are meager at best (limited mostly to taking existing code and > > tw

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 11:59 +0100, Urs Liska wrote: > Am 05.12.2013 11:54, schrieb Richard Shann: > > The Denemo windows and mac binaries have LilyPond built in. Not sure > > about the GNU/Linux one. > > Which LP version? I'm not sure, it is built with a cloned GUB, and so can be pointed to any v

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Am 05.12.2013 11:54, schrieb Richard Shann: The Denemo windows and mac binaries have LilyPond built in. Not sure about the GNU/Linux one. Which LP version? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/li

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 09:10 +, Trevor Daniels wrote: > David Kastrup wrote Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:17 AM > > > > Janek Warchoł writes: > > > >> I believe that the most important thing is just to have a powerful > >> editor installed with LilyPond so that people get the most of LilyPo

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

need a coulple of month to implement it, (2) my solution would only have the look and feel of IDE programs of the 80-ies (3) it would be exclusively for windows. ArnoldTheresius -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/A-thought-on-Windows-Experience-wa

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

David Kastrup wrote Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:17 AM > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> I believe that the most important thing is just to have a powerful >> editor installed with LilyPond so that people get the most of LilyPond >> right away. > > For better or worse, I think that the interacti

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

> I also think lilypond's website is terrible. It looks like something > out of the eighties knocked up on a dos machine. By comparison, > take a look at the home pages of musescore, finale and sibelius. Actually, I don't see a very big difference between lilypond's and musescore's site. But im

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Carl Peterson writes: > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: > >> >> On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Phil Burfitt >> wrote: >> > I also think lilypond's website is terrible. It looks like >> > something out of the eighties knocked up on a dos machine. By >> > comparison, take a look

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Am 2013-12-05 um 01:12 schrieb David Kastrup : > Francisco Vila writes: > >> 2013/12/4 David Kastrup : >>> The last time this discussion came up, Frescobaldi did not work on >>> MacOSX. And it comes with its own dependencies. And installers. >> >> Fresco is now in Macports (whatever that mea

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: > > On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Phil Burfitt > wrote: > > I also think lilypond's website is terrible. It looks like something out > of the eighties knocked up on a dos machine. By comparison, take a look at > the home pages of musescore, final

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Phil Burfitt wrote: > From: "Janek Warchol" > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:55 PM > >> Hi, >> >> a couple of thoughts: >> >> 2013/12/4 Francisco Vila : >>> I find this path tortuous. People double-click >>> the lilypond icon, and don't see this shell as ma

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