Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Matt D. Robinson wrote: >The day the Linux kernel splinters into multiple, distinct efforts is the >day I'll believe the kernel is fully into progress over "preference". Right >now, Alan accepts what he thinks should go into stable kernels, and Linus >accepts what he thinks

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Alan Olsen
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Dennis wrote: > objective, arent we? Pot. Kettle. Black. > There is much truth to the concept, although Microsoft should not be ones > to comment on it as such. What truth? I have seen more "innovation" in the Open Source movement than I ever have in my 18+ years of

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Carlos Fernandez Sanz
I did some research on the patent database and found nothing regarding such a patent. There's patent on word processors (not the concept but related to) and uses tab on the description...and that patent is from 1980. - Original Message - From: "James Sutherland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:

2.4 TCP(?) timeouts

2001-02-16 Thread Simon Kirby
Hello, Today we put 2.4.1 on our mail server after having see it perform well on some other boxes. It seems now we are receiving a few calls every hour from customers reporting that the server tends to hang and eventually time out on them when downloading mail. All customers that have reported

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread rjd
Dennis wrote: ... > objective, arent we? Nope. Are you claiming to be? > For example, if there were six different companies that marketed ethernet > drivers for the eepro100, you'd have a choice of which one to buy..perhaps ... Rant deleted I had a problem with eepro100. It was fixed same

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Matt D. Robinson
"Mike A. Harris" wrote: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Matt D. Robinson wrote: > > >The day the Linux kernel splinters into multiple, distinct efforts is the > >day I'll believe the kernel is fully into progress over "preference". Right > >now, Alan accepts what he thinks should go into stable kernels,

Multiport NICs and ether channel?

2001-02-16 Thread Willis L. Sarka
Greetings, Just a general question or two.. Please point me to a URL or tell me where to RTFM, or answer back ;-). What is the status/condition of using muliport NICs and bonding them together to form a larger pipe (i.e. a quad channel ethernet card for an Intel box, bonding all four

Re: CONFIG_MODVERSIONS and same named files

2001-02-16 Thread Keith Owens
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:19:28 -0700, Tom Rini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hey all. The modversions code has a slight problem with files of the same >name, but in different directories. eg: drivers/a/foo.c exports FOO, and >drivers/b/foo.c exports BAR, include/linux/modules/foo.ver will only

RE: 2.4.1-ac14 won't boot

2001-02-16 Thread Laramie Leavitt
> > 2.4.1-ac8 worked great, 2.4.1-ac13 and ac14 oops > in IDE initialisation. All 3 have ide.2.4.1-p8.all.01172001.patch > applied too. I'll try it without the ide patch today. > > > -Thomas > > ---kernel messages--- > Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31 > ide:

Linux 2.4.1ac17

2001-02-16 Thread Alan Cox
Seems everyone has been busy innovating again, so here is ac17. This merges 2.4.2pre4 which includes more elevator changes so please treat ac17 with caution. ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/2.4/ 2.4.1-ac17 o Fix pegasus for bigendian

Re: Multiport NICs and ether channel?

2001-02-16 Thread Christopher E. Brown
On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Willis L. Sarka wrote: > Greetings, > > Just a general question or two.. Please point me to a URL or tell me where > to RTFM, or answer back ;-). > > What is the status/condition of using muliport NICs and bonding > them together to form a larger pipe (i.e. a quad channel

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Werner Almesberger
Matt D. Robinson wrote: > My feeling is we should splinter the kernel development for > different purposes (enterprise, UP, security, etc.). I'm sure > it isn't a popular view, but I feel it would allow faster progression > of kernel functionality and features in the long run. "enterprise" XOR

Re: "make dep" problem

2001-02-16 Thread Keith Owens
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:44:27 +0100 (CET), Andrzej Krzysztofowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While trying to compile 2.4.1-ac1[34] I noticed that the following error >message appears sometimes: > >make[3]: *** No rule to make target >/home29/ankry/kernel/2.4/linux/drivers/pci/devlist.h',

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Dan Hollis
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Carlos Fernandez Sanz wrote: > I did some research on the patent database and found nothing regarding such > a patent. There's patent on word processors (not the concept but related to) > and uses tab on the description...and that patent is from 1980. You know XOR is

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 04:35:02PM -0800, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Carlos Fernandez Sanz wrote: > > I did some research on the patent database and found nothing regarding such > > a patent. There's patent on word processors (not the concept but related to) > > and uses tab on the

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Matt D. Robinson
Werner Almesberger wrote: > > Matt D. Robinson wrote: > > My feeling is we should splinter the kernel development for > > different purposes (enterprise, UP, security, etc.). I'm sure > > it isn't a popular view, but I feel it would allow faster progression > > of kernel functionality and

kernel 2.4.0/1/1-ac15 and ncr53c810a

2001-02-16 Thread Wolfgang Teichmann
Hello, I have problems using my scanner (HP C6270A connected to ncr53c810a) with xsane. I always get the error message: error during read: Error during device I/O Feb 15 23:57:27 localhost kernel: Attached scsi generic sg2 at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0, type 3 Feb 15 23:57:27 localhost

IBM-DTLA-307045 very slow under 2.2.x

2001-02-16 Thread Neil Booth
I have a SOYO "SY-5EMA+ Super 7" motherboard, with a K6-2 processor. The 45 Gig IBM drive hangs the BIOS if I let it autodetect it, so I turn off autodetection for IDE2 primary where it sits. This is probably not relevant. My problem is that "hdparm -tT dev/hdc" gives atrocious performance:-

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread LA Walsh
"David D.W. Downey" wrote: > > Seriously though folks, look at who's doing this! > > They've already tried once to sue 'Linux', were told they couldn't because > Linux is a non-entity (or at least one that they can not effectively sue > due to the classification Linux holds), ... ---

Re: kernel 2.4.0/1/1-ac15 and ncr53c810a

2001-02-16 Thread J . A . Magallon
On 02.17 Wolfgang Teichmann wrote: > Hello, > > I have problems using my scanner (HP C6270A connected to ncr53c810a) > with xsane. > > I always get the error message: > > error during read: Error during device I/O > > > Feb 15 23:57:27 localhost kernel: Attached scsi generic sg2 at scsi0, >

gcc-2.96 and kernel

2001-02-16 Thread J . A . Magallon
Hi, (I suppose people track this info, but a remark never hurts...) Just updated Mandrake gcc to gcc-2.96-0.37mdk. Interesting point: * Thu Feb 15 2001 David BAUDENS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.96-0.37mdk - Fix build on PPC :) * Thu Feb 15 2001 Chmouel Boudjnah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.96-0.36mdk -

too long mac address for --mac-source netfilter option

2001-02-16 Thread Jack Bowling
I am trying to use the --mac-source option in the netfilter code to better refine access to my linux box. However, I have run up against something. The router through which my private subnet work box passes sends a 14-group "invalid" mac address, presumably as an attempt to conceal the real

Re: kernel 2.4.0/1/1-ac15 and ncr53c810a

2001-02-16 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello Wolfgang & J.A. , On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, J . A . Magallon wrote: > On 02.17 Wolfgang Teichmann wrote: > > Hello, > > I have problems using my scanner (HP C6270A connected to ncr53c810a) > > with xsane. > > I always get the error message: > > error during read: Error during device

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Dan Hollis
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Michael H. Warfield wrote: > > You know XOR is patented (yes, the logical bit operation XOR). > But wasn't that Xerox that had that? US Patent #4,197,590 held by NuGraphics, Inc. > Yeah, the same ones that screwed us over with the compression patent > that shot .gif

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Werner Almesberger
Matt D. Robinson wrote: > Actually I do. Perhaps I should define enterprise as "big iron". In > that way, enterprise kernels would be far more innovative than a > secure kernel (which cares less about performance gains and large > features and more about just being "secure"). Hmm, and if you

"PCI quirks" in kernel for ppc in 2.2

2001-02-16 Thread Mike Fedyk
Does this help for ppc? The help talks about BIOS which I know is only on x86. Does this code include anything that helps a non x86 comp? Mike - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Augustin Vidovic
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 05:27:31PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > For example, if there were six different companies that marketed ethernet > drivers for the eepro100, you'd have a choice of which one to buy..perhaps > with different "features" that were of value to you. Instead, you have > crappy GPL

Re: too long mac address for --mac-source netfilter option

2001-02-16 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello Jack & All , Might this be an atm interface ? If it is not then am I to assume that an atm interface with its erroneous mac-address is going to have the same difficulties . That is of course as soon as the atm interface actually put a valid

re: XOR [ was: Linux stifles innovation... ]

2001-02-16 Thread David Relson
At 08:52 PM 2/16/01, you wrote: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Michael H. Warfield wrote: > > > You know XOR is patented (yes, the logical bit operation XOR). > >But wasn't that Xerox that had that? > > US Patent #4,197,590 held by NuGraphics, Inc. The patent was for using the technique of

re: XOR [ was: Linux stifles innovation... ]

2001-02-16 Thread Dan Hollis
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, David Relson wrote: > At 08:52 PM 2/16/01, you wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Michael H. Warfield wrote: > > > > You know XOR is patented (yes, the logical bit operation XOR). > > > But wasn't that Xerox that had that? > > US Patent #4,197,590 held by NuGraphics, Inc. >

Re: 2.4 TCP(?) timeouts

2001-02-16 Thread Simon Kirby
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 07:08:05PM -0500, Simon Kirby wrote: > Hello, > > Today we put 2.4.1 on our mail server after having see it perform well on > some other boxes. It seems now we are receiving a few calls every hour > from customers reporting that the server tends to hang and eventually >

SO_SNDTIMEO: 2.4 kernel bugs

2001-02-16 Thread Chris Evans
Hi, I was glad to see Linux gain SO_SNDTIMEO in kernel 2.4. It is a very use feature which can avoid complexity and pain in userspace programs. Unfortunately, it seems to be very buggy. Here are two buggy scenarios. 1) Create a socketpair(), PF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM. Set a 5 second SO_SNDTIMEO on

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Vesselin Atanasov
Hahahaha. Dennis, the only linux network drivers that I have had serious problems with were yours. They caused kernel panic on 2.0.30+ every 6 hours. Of course I did not have the source to fix them. In comparision eepro100 works rock solid on all of my machines that use it. Will I use some

2.4.1-ac16 - Loopback device seems broken

2001-02-16 Thread Andr=E9
I don't know if this is broken in 2.4.1-ac17 and 2.4.2-pre4, but, what happens when mounting a filesystem using the loopback device is that the process 'dies' in some way and there's no way I can kill it. This is what I did: mount /test-ext2-image.img /mnt/testimage -o loop,rw -t ext2 And after

[PROBLEM]: grep hanging with ReiserFS

2001-02-16 Thread Shawn Starr
grep -r "216.234.235.46" * ...waiting... ./debugps | more USER PID COMMAND WCHAN root 1 init do_select root 7 [kreiserfsd] - . root 28438 grep -r 216.234. pipe_wait Im using grep in /etc and its just waiting it should have

Re: [PROBLEM]: grep hanging with ReiserFS - More info

2001-02-16 Thread Shawn Starr
Linux coredump 2.4.2-pre3 #1 Fri Feb 9 20:57:39 EST 2001 i586 unknown Kernel modules 2.3.21 Gnu C 2.95.2 Gnu Make 3.79.1 Binutils 2.10.1 Linux C Library2.2.1 Dynamic linker ldd (GNU libc) 2.2.1 Procps 2.0.7 Mount

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-16 Thread Mike Pontillo
> > For example, if there were six different companies that marketed ethernet > drivers for the eepro100, you'd have a choice of which one to buy..perhaps > with different "features" that were of value to you. Instead, you have > crappy GPL code that locks up under load, and its not worth

Re: [PROBLEM]: grep hanging with ReiserFS

2001-02-16 Thread Keith Owens
On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:12:40 -0500, Shawn Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > grep -r "216.234.235.46" * >Im using grep in /etc and its just waiting grep -r follows symlinks and tries to open named pipes. If you have qmail installed then /etc/qmail is a symlink to /var/qmail and named pipe

Re: block ioctl to read/write last sector

2001-02-16 Thread Andre Hedrick
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, David Balazic wrote: > Did you try scsi-emulation on IDE disks ? Don't be silly. That emulation is from scsi-packet to atapi-packet. Andre Hedrick Linux ATA Development ASL Kernel Development -

Re: Whats the rvmalloc() story?

2001-02-16 Thread Anton Blanchard
> I note that at least 5 device drivers have similar implementations > of rvmalloc()/rvfree() et al: > > ieee1394/video1394.c > usb/ibmcam.c > usb/ov511.c > media/video/bttv-driver.c > media/video/cpia.c > > rvmalloc()/rvfree() are functions that are used to

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