Re: Vint Cerf & Interplanetary Internet

In article <9ed99fde-19f1-96cc-1021-3420dc492...@mauigateway.com> you write: >More like IP to Nokia's new cell network on the moon: Ah, right. There was news about that earlier this week: https://www.theonion.com/nasa-builds-4g-tower-on-moon-tastefully-disguised-as-pi-1845414052 R's, John

Re: att or sonic "residential" fiber service at a "nontraditional" residence.

;puc decided on the equities of the pricing.) You might want to check and see what the rules are. Here in NY, churches and I think some other non-profits get residential rates for phone service. -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies"

Re: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

ost of its data from the NWS, then uses its own methods to make their forecasts. So they want to cripple the front end of the NWS but not the data gathering back end. But I do agree that this problem sounds like one that could be solved with a couple of phone calls to Cloudflare or Akamai and v

Re: Changing DNS host records

In article <20201211194255.gk2...@frotz.zork.net> you write: >Matthew Crocker writes: > >> I have many customers that have registered their domains against my >> authoritative servers (DNS-AUTH3.CROCKER.COM).I need to move that >> machine to a different >network/IP address.I’ve made the u

Re: Don't need someone with clue @ Network Solutions.

In article <20201215174646.ga970...@jurassic.vpn.malgudi.org> you write: >You or someone else who owns crocker.com appears to have created these >nameserver objects (these are not a part of DNS, except that they may >show up as glue) in the registry: Right. When I query the .COM zone servers, they

Re: [External] Re: 10g residential CPE

In article you write: >I'm fine with "free stuff". But it seems we've hit saturation on a >number of front like camera and screen pixels, ghz of cpu, TB's of disk, >Gb's of netio for residential stuff. > >My provider on the other (Volcano Internet) doesn't seem to have got >this memo though. Th

Re: [External] Re: 10g residential CPE

where you can get it goes to 940/880. The obvious guess is that their upstream bandwidth is underprovisioned, or maybe they figure 100/100 is all they need to compete in that particular market. -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

Re: [External] Re: 10g residential CPE

In article <5f11bc55-e3d1-006d-c4c4-0703ff63c...@mtcc.com> you write: >> The obvious guess is that their upstream bandwidth is >> underprovisioned, or maybe they figure 100/100 is all they need to >> compete in that particular market. > >What's weirder is that it's most likely not going to allow th

Re: [External] Re: 10g residential CPE

In article <653758700.2275.1608968920711.javamail.zim...@baylink.com>, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: >- Original Message - >> From: "John Levine" > >> They sure seem ready to take down the oopper. The installer was sad >> when I told him to leave my

Re: Parler and the total legality of content moderation

In article <469b70b8-b1f5-bef7-5c03-b1e5d8b2c...@meetinghouse.net> you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >That's my understanding as well, from years of hosting email lists.  As >soon as one starts moderating, the rules change, and immunity goes away. Thanks for bringing it up, because that understanding is

Re: Parler

In article <64d1fe99-a464-8867-92d5-8b1354963...@bryanfields.net> you write: >1. When should a contracted provider be able to discontinue service with >little to no notice to the customer if they find their content distasteful? Whatever the contract says, of course. >2. Where do we expect legit i

Re: not a utility, was Parler

In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- >Unless the courts rule or the legislators enact legislation making them a >public utility. In legal circles there is a theory that >platforms like Facebook, messaging services, etc. might achieve such >importance to public life and discourse as to merit regu

Re: Parler

In article <474fe6a6-9aa8-47a7-82c6-860a21b0e...@ronan-online.com> you write: >When I actively hosted USENET servers, I was repeatedly warned by in-house and >external counsel, not to moderate which groups I hosted >based on content, less I become responsible for moderating all groups, >shouldn’t

Re: do we know what laws apply to Parler

In article <2ab9a074-bb67-4e75-1db1-2c7fff87f...@rollernet.us> you write: >On 1/10/21 4:00 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: >> sro...@ronan-online.com : >>> While Amazon is absolutely within their rights to suspend anyone they want >>> for violation of their TOS, it does create an interesting >problem.

Re: more bad lawyering about Parler

In article you write: >With private organizations it gets much more complicated. No >organization is compelled to publish anything. But then section 230 of >the DMCA comes in and says: if you exercise editorial control over >what's published then you are liable for any unlawful material which >is

Re: more bad lawyering about Parler

In article you write: >> Sigh. This is false. 100% false. It is the exact opposite of what 47 >> USC 230 really says. Also, it's the CDA, not the DMCA. > >Hi John, > >I conflated some of the DMCA safe harbor stuff with the CDA publisher >stuff. My bad. > >I stand by the gist of what I said which,

Re: more bad lawyering about Parler

In article you write: >Well, for example, Oberdorf v. Amazon.com, No. 18-1041 (3rd Cir. July >3, 2019) which found that Amazon was a seller of goods and not merely >hosting information about a third party's sale, and thus subject to >product liability law for the product that was sold. But in the

Re: the tiny domain business, not a utility, was Parler

, is in the ballpark of $5 billion/year. By comparison, that's about what Google makes every 10 days or what Apple makes every week. Verisign is a highly profitable fish in a tiny pool. -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Plea

Re: shouting draft resisters, Parler

In article <35226213b6fcdc4a9c94f0bf30472...@mail.dessus.com> you write: > >That would make me wonder how many cases there have been of someone >"shouting fire in a crowded theatre" where there was no fire and at >least one person died as a result; ... Probably none. That metaphor was used by Just

Re: Re Parler

In article <70e9-8be1-483c-8e49-e9cda6b4a...@beckman.org> you write: >Parler also has an excellent antitrust case, as the idea that three companies >would simultaneously pull the plug on >their services for a single common customer is going to be hard to explain to >a judge. Aw, come on. J

Re: Looking for hosted SMTP service for small ISP

In article <670aea8b-ef34-6450-32f1-725ce6de7...@gmx.net> you write: >But a handful of customers rely on our SMTP server for outgoing e-mail. >Currently we host this our self with a physical box. But I would like to >have a hosted solution so that I don't have to worry about keeping up >with update

Re: tiny gorillas, was opportunistic email encryption by the MTA (not MUA)

In article you write: >It's a real pity that there appears to be no real-world >use/implementation of RFC8689. I implemented RFC8689 as soon as Jim proposed it. My MTA recognizes the REQUIRETLS option and then ignores it. A lot of people who really should know better imagine that they can annou

Re: Nice work Ron

In article <2debf180-f514-4183-afa5-6e0cf9a73...@isc.org> you write: >If 40% of address are used in LACNIC, 30% in APNIC and 30% in RIPE then the >majority of addresses by region >are in the LACNIC region. Most of us would call that a plurality. Majority means more than half. What does this ha

Re: Newbie Question: Is anyone actually using the Null MX (RFC 7505)?

In article you write: >1. Is there anyone actively using this Null MX? If so, may I please see >that actual record line (in BIND zone file format) just to satisfy myself >that I wrote mine correctly? Yes. services.net. 3600IN MX 0 . >2. Which one makes more sense from the prac

Re: Newbie Question: Is anyone actually using the Null MX (RFC 7505)?

In article you write: >Hmm right... Somehow I tought that having that special Null MX >will silently discard message... I dont know why... > >So, RFC 7505 is pretty much even pointless in my opinion. >You have to do more.. to pretty much achieve the same.. >Its just easier to not having MX on subd

Re: Perhaps it's not time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...?

It appears that Mike Hammett said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >That seems like a reasonable proposal. NANOG-OffTopic, NANOG-Discuss, >NANOG-BizDev, NANOG-xyz, something (more more than one something). Having been around this barn a few times, I can promise you that won't work, because threads will never s

Re: IP reputation lookup (prefix not single IP)

It appears that Elvis Daniel Velea said: >There are a handful of blocklists that will list the whole block (that >may be a /24 or even a /16) - Spamhaus is an example. No, they don't. Spamhaus may expand a listing to a /24 or bigger when they see a pattern of abuse from a network but the SBL st

Re: Texas ERCOT power shortages (again) April 13

It appears that Mark Tinka said: >On 4/14/21 13:35, Billy Croan wrote: >> Sounds like we all need to start keeping a few days reserve of energy >> on hand at home now because the utilities can't be trusted to keep >> their system online in 2021. If you're in Texas, yes, and for other reasons if

Re: Texas ERCOT power shortages (again) April 13

ills aren't weatherproofed any better than rest of the system but nontheless were providing slightly more power than Ercot expected while the grid collapsed. So, yeah, if you're in Texas, better make your own arrangments because the state is paralyzed. -- Regards, John Levine, jo.

Re: Malicious SS7 activity and why SMS should never by used for 2FA

It appears that William Herrin said: >> If a key fob can be sent to them - preferably for free - that would help. > >Hint: carrying around a separate hardware fob for each important >Internet-based service is a non-starter. Users might do it for their >one or two most important services but yours

Re: QUIC, Connection IDs and NAT

It appears that Robert Brockway said: >Does the existence of Connection IDs separate from IP mean that >the host/IP contention ratio in CGNAT can be higher? IE, can a single >CGNAT device provide Internet access for a greater number of end-users? No, QUIC runs over UDP which runs over IP. QUI

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

It appears that Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG said: >Jeroen Massar via NANOG writes: > >> No, not even kidding. For many organisations DNSSEC is 'scary' and a >> burden as it feels 'fragile' for them. > >Unfortunately, yes. And those of us who use it know that this is a >myth. With modern softwa

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

n they have access to my plain text >passwords. Everything else is semantics. I tried it in Firefox. I can log into my Google account with my Google password and see the saved passwords but unless Firefox is doing some impressively sophisticated content snooping, it can't do anything

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

It appears that Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG said: >John Levine writes: > >> I have signed all 300 zones on my DNS servers, but only about half of >> them have working DNSSEC because there is no practical way to install >> the DS records. > >Sounds like ICANN, havin

Re: FreeBSD's ping Integrates IPv6

It appears that Mark Tinka said: > > >On 7/4/21 17:42, Justin Streiner wrote: > >> I think he meant that the underlying OS on lots of network gear is >> either some variant of Linux or BSD. > >I know what he meant... > >I've never ran "ping" on a TV or fingerprint scanner... I've run it on an an

Re: Email and Web Hosting

I agree that Tucows' white label service is a good choice. I've been using it for some of my customers for years. -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

Re: Where to get IPv4 block these day

It appears that Noah said: >It was intended to be an IPv4 replacement to provide connectivity. > >Do majority of smart handsets OS today support v6? Actually, yes. Many mobile networks are all v6 internally with NAT to external v4 sites.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

It appears that Mehmet Akcin said: > >I am kind of curious of the ICANN/IANA position on this? I would be astonished if ICANN had a position. For one thing, they have no provision for dealing with competing IP registries since the issue has never come up and, until this strange situation, seemed

Re: ICANN extracts $20m signing fee for $1bn dot-com price increases and guess who's going to pay for it?

In article you write: >El Reg is more of a tabloid than industry media, but you can read almost >the same views at domain industry blogs: >http://domainincite.com/25129-breaking-verisign-pays-icann-20-million-and-gets-to-raise-com-prices-again >https://domainnamewire.com/2020/01/03/com-prices-are

Tell me about AS19111

Huh? Signed, Confused -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

Re: Tell me about AS19111

larly naughty about the site. -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

Re: Tell me about AS19111

In article <8930.1580963...@segfault.tristatelogic.com> you write: >>1800vitamins.org has a web site at 12.180.219.234 which looks like >>they would sell me vitamins should I or my dog need any. >> >>Routeviews tells me that IP is in AS19111, routed via AS7018. AS7018 >>is AT&T which isn't surpris

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

In article you write: > >Has encryption ever solved scams/fraud/spam? No, but signatures have helped so you can more easily identify known friends and concentrate the analysis on the rest. >DKIM signed email - Just pay a mail provider more money to blast email This must be some DKIM other than

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

In article <24166.56720.929382.920...@gargle.gargle.howl> you write: >I was thinking more in terms of millions of calls to congressional >offices per day, not individual requests for action. Who do you think has put the screws on the FCC to make STIR/SHAKEN happen?

Re: free collaborative tools for low BW and losy connections

e been reading nanog and many other lists on my own NNTP server via a straightforward mail gateway for about a decade. Works great. I'm sending this message as a mail reply to a news article. -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies&quo

Re: dot-org TLD sale halted by ICANN

In article you write: >Wasn't the price cap removal what started this mess in for first place? Not really. Under the old price cap the maximum price this year would be about $16 but in fact the actual price is $10. Competitive pressures are the important factor in setting registry prices. For

Re: Huawei on Mount Everest

In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >https://telecoms.com/504051/huawei-and-china-mobile-stick-a-5g-base-station-on-mount-everest/ > >Why dont we leave the Everest alone? OTOH, we can now have tiktok >videos and latest instagram posts from the summit. Given how dangerous the ascent is, I would

Re: not really Contact at Ubiquiti Networks?

In article you write: >On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 10:00, Mel Beckman wrote: > >Hertz car rental has the #1 product in its industry, even its major >> competitor Avis agrees (“We’re number two“:-), and yet Hertz stock is >> plunging towards zero even as we speak. ... >However Hertz depreciation is c

Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?

In article <20200801143522.e25a8...@m0117164.ppops.net> you write: >--- ed...@ieee.org wrote: >From: Etienne-Victor Depasquale > >See, for example, Azhar Sayeed's (Red Hat) contribution here >@15:33. >---

Re: Softbank Contact

In article <093aea2c-6174-42ed-bb5b-ef507fed1...@transitbroker.com>, Evan M. Gillman via NANOG wrote: >Hello, > >Can someone from Softbank sales contact me off list? I'm pretty sure Arm isn't for sale any more. Helpfully, John -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.co

Re: curious spam...

In article you write: >I moved to Seattle. Today I found my grmail box subscribed to a >congressman's list from a nearby Washington jurisdiction. Not some >random congressman. And not any of the addresses I give out; my gmail >box's address which I don't. ... It's strange but I think it's not t

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

t that they're not opposed to it but since I am the only person who has asked for it, it's quite low on the list of things to do. R's, John -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

Re: fun with ports, was if not v6, what?

It appears that Niels Bakker said: >Is there even any IETF work being done on getting port forwards on a >device behind your immediate LAN at home? Have you looked at RFCs 6887 and 6970? R's, John

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

It appears that Bill Woodcock said: >> The next thought was SMTP > >I assume someone’s tried using MX record precedence to do this? record >references with lower values than A record references, >and see what happens? Anyone have any results to share there? I used to publish two MX record

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

It appears that Owen DeLong via NANOG said: >This is my point… That is why I think an announcement of “On X date, >we will begin charging extra for IPv4 services and define Internet Access >to be IPv6” by a couple of the larger eyeball ISPs would light a pretty >big fire under those laggards. Ind

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

It appears that Baldur Norddahl said: According to Baldur Norddahl : >> Number portability database is looked up after the call >> reaches the destination country, which will be used for >> further intra-national routing, which do not affect >> country-wise aggregation of international routing tab

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

It appears that Owen DeLong via NANOG said: >> The cost of putting flyers in the bills rounds to zero, so yes, really. I >> expect these companies all have plans >to support v6 eventually, someday, once they're retired and replaced all of >the old junk that handles v6 poorly or >not at all, but

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

big problem. R's, John PS: that's separate from what he said about equipment which nomninally has v6 support but not in a way that you can actually use. -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the enviro

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

It appears that Stephen Satchell said: >> or get an HE /48 over a tunnel which will do PTR or NS records appropriately. > >Hurricane Electric? Seriously? I've been using HE's free ipv6 tunnels for ten years. They work great. I don't ever recall any downtime. They assign you a /64 by default, /48

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

It appears that Brian Johnson said: >Side question on this thread… > >Is it everyones current expectation that if a provider were to switch to IPv6 >and drop IPv4 that the customers would all be >just fine with that? Try sending e-mail to AOL/Yahoo or Hotmail/Outlook over IPv6. R's, John

Re: Internet history

It appears that Patrick W. Gilmore said: > >My understanding is that really is IMP No. 1. Someone found it in the “to be >scrapped” pile & rescued it, then they closed off room 3420 & made it a >micro-museum. I believe the teletype >is not the original, but is a real ASR-33. The Sigma 7 is a pro

Re: Safe Geo-location Defaults

It appears that Lukas Tribus said: >Yes... point your default coordinates to a safe location, please! > >https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/lawsuit-how-a-quiet-kansas-home-wound-up-with-600-million-ip-addresses-and-a-world-of-trouble/ > >https://arstechnica.com/tech-poli

Re: . (was IPv6 and CDN's)

It appears that Bryan Fields said: >Can you explain how it would work? Say you have a root server operator who >starts messing up, is there any ability to remove them? Nope. We are fortunate that for over 30 years the root servers have all been competent and reliable. >> It’s a hard question,

Re: WKBI #586, Redploying most of 127/8 as unicast public

It appears that Joe Maimon said: >Mark Andrews wrote: >> It’s a denial of service attack on the IETF process to keep bringing up >> drafts like this that are never going to be approved. 127/8 is >in use. It isn’t free. > >There are so many things wrong with this statement that I am not even >g

Re: is ipv6 fast, was silly Redeploying

It appears that Michael Thomas said: >And just as impossible since it would pop it out of the fast path. Does >big iron support ipv6 these days? My research associate Ms. Google advises me that Juniper does: https://www.juniper.net/documentation/us/en/software/junos/routing-overview/topics/conc

Re: is ipv6 fast, was silly Redeploying

It appears that Michael Thomas said: >Both have sprawling product lines though even with fsvo big iron. It >would be nice to hear that they can build out big networks, but given >the use of ipv6 in mobile I assume they can. I wonder what the situation >is for enterprise which doesn't have any d

Re: Class D addresses? was: Redploying most of 127/8 as unicast public

It appears that Michael Thomas said: >There is just as big a block of addresses with class D addresses for >broadcast. Is broadcast really even a thing these days? It's multicast and no, but it hardly matters. It's the same problem, if you wanted to turn it into unicast space you'd need a globa

Re: fun with TLDs and captive portals was, Redploying most of 127/8 as unicast public

It appears that Francis Booth via NANOG said: >So we know RFC 2606 defined reserved TLDs like .lan and .home so there Um, this must be a different RFC 2606 than the one the rest of us have read. It mentions neither .lan nor .home. >In order to solve the chicken/egg problem of having to know your

Re: .bv ccTLD

It appears that David Conrad said: >> Anyone here got a buddy on the secretariat? :-) > >Even if they did, transitioning codes is a long (99 year? I’ve forgotten) >process… It's only 50, but yeah, it's not changing any time soon. There's over 300 unassigned codes to choose from. GV or UV perh

Re: .bv ccTLD

According to Jay R. Ashworth : >- Original Message - >> From: "John Levine" > >> There's over 300 unassigned codes to choose from. GV or UV perhaps? > >I'm sure *I* would fight for a 3166 code that started with the first letter >of m

Re: .bv ccTLD

It appears that Jay R. Ashworth said: >Well, sure, but with the copper deposit measured in double-digit billions, >it seems sane to assume they've got a plan there... It's been 30 years. We can hope but I wouldn't hold my breath. >Though given .TV's benefits to Tuvalu, and the number of Scanda

Re: .bv ccTLD

It appears that Jay R. Ashworth said: >- Original Message - >> From: "Jaap Akkerhuis" > >> Similar ideas where held for MD and TM but didn'y seem to work >> out. Furthermore, an indepent Bougainville mighs change the name >> to something else (as Zimbabwe did). > >On reflection, I don't t

Re: home router battery backup

It appears that Shawn L via NANOG said: >In $dayjob I work for a telco that deploys fiber to the home. If we are > providing voice services over fiber a battery backup is installed (we main >tain) that powers the customer's phone in the event of a power outage. I have fiber service from my loc

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

It appears that Michael Thomas said: > >I really don't know anything about it. It seems really late to be having >this fight now, right? Harold Feld did an excellent explainer about this in November: https://wetmachine.com/tales-of-the-sausage-factory/what-the-eff-faa-my-insanely-long-field-gui

Re: Coverage of the .to internet outage

It appears that Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG said: >> If you're a small pacific island nation state with a limited budget, and a >> working submarine cable, maintaining a SCPC geostationary satellite service >> that might be $20,000 a month (on 36-60 month term) in transponder kHz may >> seem like

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

It appears that Michael Thomas said: >Didn't Netflix for the longest time run on AWS? They still do. Their web site and the non-realtime stuff is at AWS, the streaming they do themselves. R's, John

Re: Slack.com DNSSEC on Feb 12th 15: 00 UTC

Bj�rn Mork wrote: >> >>> >>> I assume you know which names you are going to serve? >>> >>> >> how would they be able to serve: >> footgun.slack.com >> bjornbjorn.slack.com >> ilovecorn.slack.com >> >> so immediately

Re: Ukraine request yikes

#x27;s quite common. See RFC 8806. I run local roots on my small networks. R's, John -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

Re: Ukraine request yikes

It appears that Carsten Bormann said: >On 2. Mar 2022, at 17:38, wrote: >> >> “democracy” > >PSA: Please read > >https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/peacefield/6206c37b9d9e380022bed32f/is-it-fascism-is-it-socialism/ > >before using words like this again. Nice article, definitely worth reading.

Re: CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)

It appears that Anne Mitchell said: >> Cc: NANOG , Greg Skinner , >> "Karandikar, Abhay" , Rama Ati >, Bob Corner GMAIL , "Hsing, T. >Russell" , "Chen, Henry C.J." >, ST Hsieh , "Chen, Abraham Y." > >> > >This is a whole lot of cc:s to people who aren't even part of this group/list. > One won

Re: CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)

It appears that William Herrin said: >On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 12:34 PM John Levine wrote: >> FWIW, I also don't think that repurposing 240/4 is a good idea. To be >> useful it would require >> that every host on the Internet update its network stack, > >

Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock

It appears that David Conrad said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >On Mar 9, 2022, at 10:08 AM, John R. Levine wrote: >> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, John Gilmore wrote: >>> Major networks are already squatting on the space internally, because they >>> tried it and it works. >> Sounds like an excellent reason not to try

Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock

It appears that David Conrad said: >isn’t very far), 240/4 isn’t sourcing or sinking significant traffic on the >Internet. FWIW, my tiny server sees about 20 packets/day from that range. It's not very much but it's hard to imagine why I'm seeing any at all. It's more than I see from 0/8, less

Re: V6 still widely supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members,

It appears that Joe Maimon said: >higher penetration of native v6, I would restate that a bit more >conservatively as > >Google's statistics are likely a fair barometer for USA usage in the >large content provider arena which have a strong mobile representation. AT&T, Comcast, and Charter/Spect

Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock

It appears that Joe Maimon said: >Saku Ytti wrote: >> What if many/most large CDN, cloud, tier1 would commonly announce a >> plan to drop all IPv4 at their edge 20 years from now? How would that >> change our work? What would we stop doing and what would we start doing? > >I cant see how it wou

Re: "Permanent" DST

It appears that Mel Beckman said: >-=-=-=-=-=- >We already have this problem with Arizona, which never changes time for the >summer. Sure it does. It switches from MST to PDT. Helpfully, John

Re: "Permanent" DST

It appears that Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG said: >All that's left to solve is in-person stuff...which already currently sucks. > >"My flight leaves at 6 AM local time and lasts 90 minutes, but I'm crossing >3 timezones heading west... It could be worse. In non-COVID times there are flights betw

Re: "Permanent" DST

It appears that Jay Hennigan said: >Some systems are dumbed-down with drop-down menus listing cities like >"Americas-Los Angeles" and similar. These will require a bit of work on >the back end. Unix and linux systems have a timezone database that has the historic time zones for everywhere they

Re: "Permanent" DST

It appears that Chris Adams said: >Once upon a time, Owen DeLong said: >> You’re right… Two changes to a single file in most cases: >> >> 1. Set the correct new timezone (e.g. MST for California). > >And now your system displays wrong info 100% of the time, since as I >understand it, the zones

Re: are underwater routers a thing?

It appears that Jerry Cloe said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >it look like it was completely at sea, but it would kind of make sense >to leave them at sea if you could put a router there. > >First thing that comes to mind is power, how would you power them? Undersea cables have had power for repeaters since T

Re: V6 still not supported

It appears that Matt Hoppes said: >At this point I would *love* to see IPv4 get extended, a software patch >applied to devices, and IPv6 die a quick painless death. The people at the IETF may be shortsighted, but not *that* shortsighted. If adding 16 more /8's would have been enough, they would

Re: V6 still not supported

It appears that Matt Hoppes said: >Just like with IPv6, there would be a transition period, but during that >time software updates would very easily bring equipment up to spec much >faster and quicker. > >Eventually, 192.168.0.1 would be represented (for example) as >0.0.0.0.192.168.0.1 (or som

Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Re: 202203151549.AYC

It appears that Abraham Y. Chen said: >     C.    Recently, we were made aware of the Int-Area activities. >Attempts to reach the Group Chairs have not received any responses. > >     D.    I just received an Int-Area Digest Vol 199, Issue 14 >requesting IETF to reactivate the IPv4 support. For

Re: Bufferbloat and the pandemic was: V6 still not supported

It appears that Michael Thomas said: >anything that ISP can do if they don't supply the ÇPE? What percentage >of providers do supply the CPE in the form of cable and dsl modems, etc, >that they could solve the problem with a swap out? In the US at least, although cable customers can use their o

Re: MAP-T (was: Re: V6 still not supported)

It appears that JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG said: >At the end, if you turn on IPv6 to residential customers, typically you will >get 70-80% IPv6 traffic, so the state in the NAT64 using 464XLAT is lower and >lower every day. Not disagreeing, but where does that number come from? Anectodall

Re: Let's Focus on Moving Forward Re: V6 still not supported

that the ULAs will overlap. -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

Re: Gmail (thus Nanog) rejecting ipv6 email

It appears that Michael Thomas said: >> There are a lot of bits and bobs that one has to get right for mail to flow, >> amongst which: >> >> - IP -> PTR lookup -> that hostname lookup, and match to IP again >> - SPF >> - DKIM >> - DMARC Yup. Gmail has made it quite clear that they will

Re: Gmail (thus Nanog) rejecting ipv6 email

It appears that Michael Thomas said: >> Google at least adds ARC headers in Gmail, and did the editing of RFC8617. > >ARC resolves into a previously unsolved problem: reputation. ... No, actually it doesn't, as has been repeatedly explained. ARC addreses the problem that mailing lists do a lousy

Re: Gmail (thus Nanog) rejecting ipv6 email from poorly configured senders

It appears that Niels Bakker said: >I also run my own mail server. I had to firewall off Google's MXes for >this exact reason: silent and not-so-silent email rejection when >offered over IPv6. I run my own mail server and have no trouble at all delivering mail to Gmail over IPv6. I do have SPF

Re: Gmail (thus Nanog) rejecting ipv6 email

It appears that Michael Thomas said: >> ARC lets the recipient system look back and do what we might call >> retroactive filtering, using info about messages as they arrived at >> the previous forwarder. While it would be nice if lists did a better >> job of spam filtering, they don't, and ARC is

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