Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-11 Thread David Brodbeck
2011/10/10 Любомир Григоров > >I'll take a couple of people with a clue over a hundred _looking_ for a > clue any day. > > It will be just as I said earlier - the userland will consist of the devs > and a bunch of fanboys, no one will know the OS and will just view it as > "another one". This who

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-11 Thread Linda Kateley
I will personally apologize for the spam on the nexenta forums.. The other guy quit months ago and it took me awhile to catch on... If you see anymore spam please let me know, right now i feel like i have it under control...Our company is growing at 400% and the forums got overlooked... lk O

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-11 Thread qutic development
On 11.10.2011, at 21:05, Linda Kateley wrote: > We have redmine running already and forums are available. The problem with these forums from nexenta is, that there are a lot (!) of spam posts and nobody from nexenta cares about it... Ps.: This rant is not about radiant at all - we are using it

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-11 Thread Linda Kateley
Sorry i so late to this party.. So i was hired by nexenta as community manager. i have illumos as one of my communities. We have redmine running already and forums are available. I have only been at this for a short time, but it appears that most of the distro's come from illumos, and that mig

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-11 Thread Jonathan Adams
+1 On 11 October 2011 15:32, Ken Gunderson wrote: > Hello Peter: > > I think your accusations of bikeshedding are unfounded and unkind. Many > stayed out of this discussion until noting that a few oi-dev regulars > like Alasdair, jeffpc, drlou, herzen, etc. expressed some interest in > exploring

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-11 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 09:16 +0100, Peter Tribble wrote: > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Dan Swartzendruber > wrote: > > > > And this continues to miss the point. > ... > >but honestly, it's beyond frustrating to find out that > > there is no obvious way to do the /etc/rc.local thing I kvetche

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-11 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
er 11, 2011 4:16 AM To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > And this continues to miss the point. ... >but honestly, it's beyond frustrating to find out that > there i

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-11 Thread Doug Hughes
On 10/11/2011 6:10 AM, Dmitry Kozhinov wrote: > doesn't "pull" let them manage their own time better? Yes. This is why my vote is for forum, not mailing list. Dmitry. I've stayed out of this thread thus far, and probably will going forward, but I vastly prefer mail lists and I think the ab

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-11 Thread Dmitry Kozhinov
> doesn't "pull" let them manage their own time better? Yes. This is why my vote is for forum, not mailing list. Dmitry. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discu

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-11 Thread Peter Tribble
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > And this continues to miss the point. ... >but honestly, it's beyond frustrating to find out that > there is no obvious way to do the /etc/rc.local thing I kvetched about > earlier Which point are you missing? You rc.local thing is t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
> On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 23:05 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> If you think it preferable to compare various options first, there's a >> site http://www.forummatrix.org/ that seems to compare a bunch of >> forum software (including Vanilla). > > That's interesting. If you use the following cri

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 23:51 -0400, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 23:05 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > If you think it preferable to compare various options first, there's a > > site http://www.forummatrix.org/ that seems to compare a bunch of > > forum software (including

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 23:05 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > If you think it preferable to compare various options first, there's a > site http://www.forummatrix.org/ that seems to compare a bunch of > forum software (including Vanilla). That's interesting. If you use the following criteria:

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
> > On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:38 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > >> On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 19:27 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: >>> On 10/10/11 07:16 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 19:32 -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: >> Hi All, >> [snip] > > The demo is still up at h

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 10/10/11 07:38 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 19:27 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 10/10/11 07:16 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 19:32 -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: Hi All, [snip] The demo is still up at http://linuxbsdos.com/askopenindiana. If the comm

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:38 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 19:27 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> On 10/10/11 07:16 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: >>> On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 19:32 -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: > Hi All, > >>> [snip] The demo is still up at http://linu

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 19:27 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > On 10/10/11 07:16 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 19:32 -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: > >>> Hi All, > >>> > > [snip] > >> > >> The demo is still up at http://linuxbsdos.com/askopenindiana. If the > >> community does not

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 10/10/11 07:16 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 19:32 -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: Hi All, [snip] The demo is still up at http://linuxbsdos.com/askopenindiana. If the community does not want it, if the decision makers are against it, I can just take it down. It took less tha

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 19:32 -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > [snip] > > The demo is still up at http://linuxbsdos.com/askopenindiana. If the > community does not want it, if the decision makers are against it, I can > just take it down. It took less than 10 minutes to put it up, and wi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:32 PM, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Please, for the sake of everybody's sanity, can people chill out and >> stop arguing. >> >> This thread started as someone wanting to volunteer to help the project, >> and it has descended into a flame fest. I'd kindly ask that

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
> Hi All, > > Please, for the sake of everybody's sanity, can people chill out and > stop arguing. > > This thread started as someone wanting to volunteer to help the project, > and it has descended into a flame fest. I'd kindly ask that people > respect the rules of the mailing list and stop flami

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Gregory Youngblood wrote: > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: > >> On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 08:32 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >>> >>> Quite true. At this point, though, the admin space is the issue. >> >> I come from a Linux background

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Gregory, I can second that. I have a friend who is very experienced in Linux and BSD and I was mentioning at dinner how I was using a SAN appliance that was based on ZFS, and started extolling its virtues. He asked me (totally seriously) "ZFS is still around? I thought all that stuff died when

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Gregory Youngblood
On Oct 10, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: > On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 08:32 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >> >> Quite true. At this point, though, the admin space is the issue. > > I come from a Linux background with my experience being done on Redhat Linux, > Fedora, Centos and

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 10/11/11 01:59 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Alasdair, thank you. I apologize for my intemperate language. The frustration at people's apparent inability to get the point I was trying to make doesn't justify it. The message was to everyone who contributed to the thread going way way off t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Alasdair, thank you. I apologize for my intemperate language. The frustration at people's apparent inability to get the point I was trying to make doesn't justify it. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://ope

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Hi All, Please, for the sake of everybody's sanity, can people chill out and stop arguing. This thread started as someone wanting to volunteer to help the project, and it has descended into a flame fest. I'd kindly ask that people respect the rules of the mailing list and stop flaming each o

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > Richard, you continue to miss the point. This isn't about you (OS) vs me > (linux). I would wager that for every opensolaris user there are at least > 10 linux users. Getting them to use OS (which is better in many ways, > granted), m

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Chan [mailto:christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 8:42 PM To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 08:32 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > Quite true. At this point, though, the admin s

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 08:32 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Quite true. At this point, though, the admin space is the issue. I come from a Linux background with my experience being done on Redhat Linux, Fedora, Centos and Ubuntu. I have also worked on FreeBSD and OpenBSD. I do not see

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 18:53 -0400, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >> And this continues to miss the point. This is what is so frustrating to me >> (going back years...) Techies like you guys make a decision based on the >> technical merits, but 95%

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 08:29 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Richard, you continue to miss the point. This isn't about you (OS) vs me (linux). I would wager that for every opensolaris user there are at least 10 linux users. Getting them to use OS (which is better in many ways, granted), m

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Richard L. Hamilton [mailto:rlha...@smart.net] > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:49 PM > To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with w

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Well, I give up. You are not stupid, so I can only assume we have a disconnect here. Ciao... ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Quite true. At this point, though, the admin space is the issue. -Original Message- From: Christopher Chan [mailto:christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 8:32 PM To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website On

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Ok, I suppose most Linux users don't know that they're using Linux? Maybe that's true for Android, not for anything else. So I don't see the point of your point. Yes, gramma and her email-and-surf probably doesn't give a hoot _what_ she's using, as long as it's cheap (so she doesn't have to e

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 07:51 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: I think I've gotten frustrated enough at trying to make the same point N times that I'm done here. One last time: the point was that someone brought up OSX as an example of a widely deployed platform using a non-linux (as I recall

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 20:26 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > > > > And this continues to miss the point. This is what is so frustrating to me > > (going back years...) Techies like you guys make a decision based on the > > technical

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Richard, you continue to miss the point. This isn't about you (OS) vs me (linux). I would wager that for every opensolaris user there are at least 10 linux users. Getting them to use OS (which is better in many ways, granted), making the environment more familiar is essential, IMO. You are of

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > And this continues to miss the point. This is what is so frustrating to me > (going back years...) Techies like you guys make a decision based on the > technical merits, but 95% of the manager/sysadmin types are going to look at > the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 05:44 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: My comment was not directed at anyone in particular, but more broadly scoped to include various posts that seem to keep holding up Linux like it's the holy grail. I don't need another Linux option. I do have an interest/need in someth

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 18:53 -0400, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > And this continues to miss the point. This is what is so frustrating to me > (going back years...) Techies like you guys make a decision based on the > technical merits, but 95% of the manager/sysadmin types are going to look at > the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
-Original Message- From: Richard L. Hamilton [mailto:rlha...@smart.net] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:49 PM To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > Oh almost forgo

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
I think I've gotten frustrated enough at trying to make the same point N times that I'm done here. One last time: the point was that someone brought up OSX as an example of a widely deployed platform using a non-linux (as I recall the point) OS. My rebuttal was that 95% or whatever of the users

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > Oh almost forgot. No, it doesn't matter what runs under the hood when you > are dealing with a mass market GUI that isn't the point. The point is that > someone mentioned that OSX uses *BSD under the hood like somehow that has > ANYTHI

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Robar Philip wrote: > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Tobias Famulla wrote: > >> If you change from Windows or even Mac OS to a posix-like system …. > > Windows and Mac OS both have POSIX, though one could argue as to how useful > Windows’s is. OS X is actually UNI

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Robar Philip
On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Tobias Famulla wrote: > If you change from Windows or even Mac OS to a posix-like system …. Windows and Mac OS both have POSIX, though one could argue as to how useful Windows’s is. OS X is actually UNIX certified. Phil ___

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Tobias Famulla
Sorry, but i don't really see the point. Of course OS is different to Linux or BSD, but there are also differences between them. If you change from Windows or even Mac OS to a posix-like system the difference might be the largest, but there are a lot of people who use Linux on their notebooks

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Oh almost forgot. No, it doesn't matter what runs under the hood when you are dealing with a mass market GUI that isn't the point. The point is that someone mentioned that OSX uses *BSD under the hood like somehow that has ANYTHING to do with getting more people away from linux...

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
And this continues to miss the point. This is what is so frustrating to me (going back years...) Techies like you guys make a decision based on the technical merits, but 95% of the manager/sysadmin types are going to look at the learning curve (and don't bother telling me it doesn't exist or is

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
-Original Message- From: Ken Gunderson [mailto:kgund...@teamcool.net] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:44 PM To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 17:32 -0400, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > A couple of thoug

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 17:49 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > On Oct 10, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > > > > A couple of thoughts: OSX is a dreadful wrong example. If you polled 1 > > million Mac users and asked them 'what OS runs under the hood?', my guess is > > 95% would h

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > A couple of thoughts: OSX is a dreadful wrong example. If you polled 1 > million Mac users and asked them 'what OS runs under the hood?', my guess is > 95% would have no idea what you are talking about. Secondly, throwing vague > state

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 17:32 -0400, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > A couple of thoughts: OSX is a dreadful wrong example. If you polled 1 > million Mac users and asked them 'what OS runs under the hood?', my guess is > 95% would have no idea what you are talking about. Secondly, throwing vague > stat

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
A couple of thoughts: OSX is a dreadful wrong example. If you polled 1 million Mac users and asked them 'what OS runs under the hood?', my guess is 95% would have no idea what you are talking about. Secondly, throwing vague statements out about the 'shortcomings of linux' is at best non-helpful,

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Alexander Lesle
Hello Ken Gunderson and List, On Oktober, 10 2011, 22:25 wrote in [1]: > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 21:21 +0200, Alexander Lesle wrote: >> Hello Любомир Григоров and List, >> >> On Oktober, 10 2011, 18:59 <Любомир Григоров> wrote in [1]: >> >> >>I'll take a couple of people with a clue over a hundr

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 13:12 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 3:22 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 02:51:13 -0400, Richard wrote: >>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote:

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 21:21 +0200, Alexander Lesle wrote: >> Hello Любомир Григоров and List, >> >> On Oktober, 10 2011, 18:59 <Любомир Григоров> wrote in [1]: >> I'll take a couple of people with a clue over a hundred _looking_ for a >>>

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 13:12 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > On Oct 10, 2011, at 3:22 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote: > > > On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 02:51:13 -0400, Richard wrote: > > > >> > >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: > >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 06:35:57PM -0600, LinuxBSD

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 21:21 +0200, Alexander Lesle wrote: > Hello Любомир Григоров and List, > > On Oktober, 10 2011, 18:59 <Любомир Григоров> wrote in [1]: > > >>I'll take a couple of people with a clue over a hundred _looking_ for a > > clue any day. > > > It will be just as I said earlier - t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Alexander Lesle
Hello Любомир Григоров and List, On Oktober, 10 2011, 18:59 <Любомир Григоров> wrote in [1]: >>I'll take a couple of people with a clue over a hundred _looking_ for a > clue any day. > It will be just as I said earlier - the userland will consist of the devs > and a bunch of fanboys, no one will

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Любомир Григоров wrote: >> I'll take a couple of people with a clue over a hundred _looking_ for a > clue any day. > > It will be just as I said earlier - the userland will consist of the devs > and a bunch of fanboys, no one will know the OS and will just view it a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 10, 2011, at 3:22 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote: > On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 02:51:13 -0400, Richard wrote: > >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 06:35:57PM -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: > [snip] >> >> I must be old-fashioned, but I find an NNTP ser

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Любомир Григоров
>I'll take a couple of people with a clue over a hundred _looking_ for a clue any day. It will be just as I said earlier - the userland will consist of the devs and a bunch of fanboys, no one will know the OS and will just view it as "another one". This whole conversation and all the emails in it

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Любомир Григоров wrote: >> That attitude is why OpenBSD will continue to exist on the periphery of >> the technology space, in spite of all the great tools they are sitting on. >> >> >> > > Precisely. And it looks like OI people want to go the same path. If an app

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 09:56 +0200, Open Indiana wrote: > It might be an idea to look at www.opennms.org. They also struggle with > documentation, users, updates and helpfiles but manage to get it good pretty > well. > Whoa! It's been a while since I've been to OpenNMS's site. Nice redesign. Mu

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Open Indiana
It might be an idea to look at www.opennms.org. They also struggle with documentation, users, updates and helpfiles but manage to get it good pretty well. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/m

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-10 Thread Kees Nuyt
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 02:51:13 -0400, Richard wrote: > >On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 06:35:57PM -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: [snip] > > I must be old-fashioned, but I find an NNTP server > easier than forums (and less junk accumulating on > my mai

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 09:52 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: > On Monday, October 10, 2011 09:45 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 09:16 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: > >> On Monday, October 10, 2011 04:56 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > >>> On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 11:43 -0700, Alan Cooper

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Christopher Chan
On Monday, October 10, 2011 09:45 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 09:16 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: On Monday, October 10, 2011 04:56 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 11:43 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 10/ 9/11 11:37 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: I haven't look

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 09:16 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: > On Monday, October 10, 2011 04:56 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 11:43 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > >> On 10/ 9/11 11:37 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > >>> I haven't looked in recent years, but the last time I did look

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Christopher Chan
On Monday, October 10, 2011 03:54 AM, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: I fail to see why you consider my statements "erroneous assumptions." Whether we like it or not, forums rule. The most prolific communities on the Internet are forums, or forum-like. answers.yahoo.com. facebook, Google Groups, are all f

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Christopher Chan
On Monday, October 10, 2011 04:56 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 11:43 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: On 10/ 9/11 11:37 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: I haven't looked in recent years, but the last time I did look, port 25, not port 80, was responsible for the lions share of Internet

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Tobias Famulla
Hello, Am 09.10.2011 17:58, schrieb Alexander Lesle: > Hello Josef 'Jeff' Sipek and List, > > On Oktober, 09 2011, 16:39 wrote in [1]: > >> On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 04:20:50PM +0200, Alexander Lesle wrote: >>> my opinion is that when we want to get openindiana popular that we >>> need first a good

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Tobias Famulla
Sorry, I forgot to attach the files. Am 10.10.2011 00:19, schrieb Tobias Famulla: > +1 > > I think a good documentation is most important. Normally I only use > forums or mailing lists, if there is no answer in the doc or maybe in > the wiki. > > I did a little research on documentation formats a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Tobias Famulla
+1 I think a good documentation is most important. Normally I only use forums or mailing lists, if there is no answer in the doc or maybe in the wiki. I did a little research on documentation formats and posted the corrected files a week ago. I attached the files, so you don't have to search them

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Peter Tribble
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Gregory Youngblood wrote: . > And, if we do start a web forum, until we have a critical mass of active > "experts" able to answer questions, I believe we should have the forum gated > to the mailing lists. Otherwise we'll end up with two classes of users and > an

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 11:43 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > On 10/ 9/11 11:37 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > I haven't looked in recent years, but the last time I did look, port 25, > > not port 80, was responsible for the lions share of Internet traffic. > > I don't think that's been true for many

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Любомир Григоров
> That attitude is why OpenBSD will continue to exist on the periphery of > the technology space, in spite of all the great tools they are sitting on. > > > Precisely. And it looks like OI people want to go the same path. -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) _

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
> On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 12:32 -0700, Gregory Youngblood wrote: >> On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: >> >> > On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 02:51 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 06:35:57PM -0600

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
> On Sat, 2011-10-08 at 18:35 -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: >> >> As Bernd Helber remarked, forums can play a significant role in Linux >> >> distributions, as they allow users to "have conversations". It would >> be >> >> great if an initiative to create one for OI could be started. >> > >> > I agr

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Gregory Youngblood
On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 12:32 -0700, Gregory Youngblood wrote: >> On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 02:51 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: >>

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 13:37 -0600, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 12:32 -0700, Gregory Youngblood wrote: > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 02:51 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 12:32 -0700, Gregory Youngblood wrote: > On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > > On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 02:51 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: > >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 06:35:57PM -0600, Linu

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Gregory Youngblood
On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 02:51 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 06:35:57PM -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: >> As Bernd Helber remarked, forums can play a sig

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Gregory Youngblood
On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:37 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Sat, 2011-10-08 at 18:35 -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: As Bernd Helber remarked, forums can play a significant role in Linux distributions, as they allow users to "have conversations". It would be great if an initiative to creat

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 10/ 9/11 11:37 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: I haven't looked in recent years, but the last time I did look, port 25, not port 80, was responsible for the lions share of Internet traffic. I don't think that's been true for many years. Last I heard, YouTube & Netflix dominated the bandwidth. I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 02:51 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 06:35:57PM -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: > As Bernd Helber remarked, forums can play a significant role in Linux > distributions, as they all

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Sat, 2011-10-08 at 18:35 -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: > >> As Bernd Helber remarked, forums can play a significant role in Linux > >> distributions, as they allow users to "have conversations". It would be > >> great if an initiative to create one for OI could be started. > > > > I agree that fo

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 06:17:24PM +0200, Alexander Lesle wrote: > Hello LinuxBSDos.com and List, > > On Oktober, 09 2011, 17:59 wrote in [1]: > > > > Not all responses to questions in a forum will be of good quality. As in > > life, there will be good and not-so-good ones. It's the nature of t

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Alexander Lesle
Hello LinuxBSDos.com and List, On Oktober, 09 2011, 17:59 wrote in [1]: > Not all responses to questions in a forum will be of good quality. As in > life, there will be good and not-so-good ones. It's the nature of things. > Along the same lines, there will be "bad" questions, usually from noob

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
Not all responses to questions in a forum will be of good quality. As in life, there will be good and not-so-good ones. It's the nature of things. Along the same lines, there will be "bad" questions, usually from noobs. That's were the community steps in, to help the noob move to the next step. I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Alexander Lesle
Hello Josef 'Jeff' Sipek and List, On Oktober, 09 2011, 16:39 wrote in [1]: > On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 04:20:50PM +0200, Alexander Lesle wrote: >> my opinion is that when we want to get openindiana popular that we >> need first a good documentation. Not only a good documentation for >> geeks but

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Alexander Lesle
Hello LinuxBSDos.com and List, I cant say something about the vanilla forum I have no experience about it. I have never seen it before. My opinion about forums is that you need much more experts for answering questions in good quality. In good forums you need people who have the knowledge in OI a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 04:20:50PM +0200, Alexander Lesle wrote: > Hello List, > > my opinion is that when we want to get openindiana popular that we > need first a good documentation. Not only a good documentation for > geeks but rather also for endusers. I see no reason why the two projects can

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
> Hello List, > > my opinion is that when we want to get openindiana popular that we > need first a good documentation. Not only a good documentation for > geeks but rather also for endusers. > > Look at Ubuntu for the last 3 years. In the meantime they had a good > documentation and a active commu

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Alexander Lesle
Hello List, my opinion is that when we want to get openindiana popular that we need first a good documentation. Not only a good documentation for geeks but rather also for endusers. Look at Ubuntu for the last 3 years. In the meantime they had a good documentation and a active community where you

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread LinuxBSDos.com
> On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 05:20:21PM -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: >> So if you are still open to helping, that makes two persons who are >> ready >> to help with a forum-type setting. > > Hey guys, can you hop onto IRC (#oi-dev on Freenode)? We can discuss the > details there. Everyone agrees tha

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-09 Thread Gabriel de la Cruz
What about the passionate fights? If we move to a forum we are going to miss them. :P This list became part of life alrready. I kind of like this. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 06:

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website

2011-10-08 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: > On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 06:35:57PM -0600, LinuxBSDos.com wrote: As Bernd Helber remarked, forums can play a significant role in Linux distributions, as they allow users to "have conversations". It would be great if an initiati

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