Re: the next step on the desktop

Hi all, Sorry, I forgot to write who wrote which quote... 1 On the horizontal application launchers While the horizontal format is fine for a few icon-only launchers (quick launch, docks etc.), the idea to > Have it open a horizontal menu that replaces or covers the panel > entirely. This men

New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Accessible Label (1/3)

Hello, For an intro see the mail with the (0/3) in the subject line. One of the projects we're doing is to try and make Unity more accessible. To that end we'd like to add properties to add accessible labels for the icons that could be given to screen readers. We're planning on issuing warnings

New properties for StatusNotifierItem (0/3)

Hello, I'd like to propose some new properties to be added to the SNI interface for a couple of projects in the Application Indicator framework that we have over here. We'd love it if you guys would consider adopting them in the base spec. Also, if you have comments on how to make them better I

New properties for StatusNotifierItem: (Not|Only)ShowIn (2/3)

Hello, For an intro see the mail with the (0/3) in the subject line. We also started to use some of the application indicators from applications in the launcher on the left side of the screen. We use the application indicator to provide additional menus for the launcher which we call a quick lis

New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Desktop Key (3/3)

Hello, For an intro see the mail with the (0/3) in the subject line. We'd like to suggest an additional key for .desktop files that lists the IDs of Status Notifier Items that an application exports. This will allow us to better match SNI items when we are using them as quicklists, as errors are

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem (0/3)

On Thursday 03 February 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to propose some new properties to be added to the SNI interface > for a couple of projects in the Application Indicator framework that we > have over here. We'd love it if you guys would consider adopting them > in the base spec

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Accessible Label (1/3)

On Thursday 03 February 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > Hello, > > For an intro see the mail with the (0/3) in the subject line. > > One of the projects we're doing is to try and make Unity more > accessible. To that end we'd like to add properties to add accessible > labels for the icons that could be

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: (Not|Only)ShowIn (2/3)

On Thursday 03 February 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > Hello, > > For an intro see the mail with the (0/3) in the subject line. > > We also started to use some of the application indicators from > applications in the launcher on the left side of the screen. We use the > application indicator to provid

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Desktop Key (3/3)

On Thursday 03 February 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > Hello, > > For an intro see the mail with the (0/3) in the subject line. > > We'd like to suggest an additional key for .desktop files that lists the > IDs of Status Notifier Items that an application exports. This will > allow us to better match

Review Request: Add option to qalculate to show the result in different bases at the same time

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Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem (0/3)

On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 14:27 +0100, Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 03 February 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > > I'd like to propose some new properties to be added to the SNI interface > > for a couple of projects in the Application Indicator framework that we > > have over here. We'd love it if you g

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Accessible Label (1/3)

On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 14:37 +0100, Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 03 February 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > > One of the projects we're doing is to try and make Unity more > > accessible. To that end we'd like to add properties to add accessible > > labels for the icons that could be given to screen

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: (Not|Only)ShowIn (2/3)

On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 14:41 +0100, Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 03 February 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > > We also started to use some of the application indicators from > > applications in the launcher on the left side of the screen. We use the > > application indicator to provide additional men

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Desktop Key (3/3)

On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 14:45 +0100, Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 03 February 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > > We'd like to suggest an additional key for .desktop files that lists the > > IDs of Status Notifier Items that an application exports. This will > > allow us to better match SNI items when w

Re: Review Request: Add option to qalculate to show the result in different bases at the same time

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Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Accessible Label (1/3)

Hey, On Thursday, February 03, 2011 15:29:38 Ted Gould wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 14:37 +0100, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Thursday 03 February 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > > > One of the projects we're doing is to try and make Unity more > > > accessible. To that end we'd like to add properties t

Thumbnail buttons and actions

One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able to add buttons to their thumbnails in the task manager. Use cases could include play and pause buttons on media players, or tab lists on web browsers. I got what I interpreted as positive feedback when I mentioned this earlier

Re: the next step on the desktop

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Ivan Cukic wrote: > Hi all, > > Sorry, I forgot to write who wrote which quote... > > 1 On the horizontal application launchers > > While the horizontal format is fine for a few icon-only launchers (quick > launch, docks etc.), the idea to >> Have it open a horizont

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Accessible Label (1/3)

> On the other hand, it requires application developers to add another string in their code to all UI elements -- something which might be easily forgotten by those that don't care a lot about a11y (I fear that this applies to a lot of developers). Falling back to the tooltip sounds like somethi

Re: Review Request: Add option to qalculate to show the result in different bases at the same time

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Re: Review Request: Add option to qalculate to show the result in different bases at the same time

> On Feb. 3, 2011, 3:15 p.m., Matteo Agostinelli wrote: > > applets/qalculate/qalculate_labels.h, lines 32-56 > > > > > > I don't understand why you created the AppletSettings class. Wouldn't > > it be easier to simpl

Re: the next step on the desktop

On Wednesday, February 2, 2011, Alex Fiestas wrote: > On 02/02/2011 09:57 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > >> --- About taskmanager: > >> > >> (1) use only icons (this already happens when taskbar is full): > >>- icon size on the panel should be shortcut size (>launcher size, > >> > >> =Kickoff) >

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thursday 03 February 2011 16:51:34 todd rme wrote: > or tab lists on web browsers. Just as a note: I'm working on that together with rekonq developers (see complete thread [1]). I expect to start the kwin side of the implementation after shadow rework. Cheers Martin [1]: http://mail.kde.org

Re: the next step on the desktop

On Wednesday, February 2, 2011, todd rme wrote: what would be helpful is to do a mockup of your ideas below, and keep evolving it as we continue the discussion. > 1. Get rid of favorites from the application launcher. Focus on > making runners easy, intuitive, and clear. These go in the middl

Re: the next step on the desktop

A.S. I might sound like I'm totally against the ideas proposed, I'm not - I'm just pointing out the potential problems instead of just +1-ing the good parts. > That doesn't seem to be a problem with the add widgets dialog, or with > the default Dolphin icons view, either.. I think it is fine if

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: (Not|Only)ShowIn (2/3)

On Wednesday, February 2, 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > We also started to use some of the application indicators from > applications in the launcher on the left side of the screen. We use the > application indicator to provide additional menus for the launcher which > we call a quick list. We're curr

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Accessible Label (1/3)

first, thanks for working with us on this Ted. it really helps keep things moving forward in a coordinate fashion, and makes our lives (and hopefully yours) a lot brighter. :) oh, and you don't need to CC Marco and I, we're on the plasma-devel list :) On Wednesday, February 2, 2011, Ted Gould w

Re: the next step on the desktop

> > 1. Get rid of favorites from the application launcher. Focus on > > making runners easy, intuitive, and clear. These go in the middle. > > don't favourites and krunner do rather different things? They do, but when you use krunner, that means you don't have the thing you want in favs. (this

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Desktop Key (3/3)

On Wednesday, February 2, 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > We'd like to suggest an additional key for .desktop files that lists the > IDs of Status Notifier Items that an application exports. This will > allow us to better match SNI items when we are using them as quicklists, > as errors are very embarras

Re: the next step on the desktop

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Wednesday, February 2, 2011, todd rme wrote: > > what would be helpful is to do a mockup of your ideas below, and keep evolving > it as we continue the discussion. > >> 1. Get rid of favorites from the application launcher.  Focus on >> m

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Accessible Label (1/3)

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > There are ways to strongly suggest application developers to define such > strings: for example outputing warnings on stderr when a KSNI goes live > without having proper a11y properties set. catching and punishing sins (though a warning is h

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Accessible Label (1/3)

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > On the other hand, it requires application developers to add another string > in their code to all UI elements -- something which might be easily > forgotten by those that don't care a lot about a11y (I fear that this > applies to a lot of de

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > On Thursday 03 February 2011 16:51:34 todd rme wrote: > > or tab lists on web browsers. > > Just as a note: I'm working on that together with rekonq developers (see > complete thread [1]). I expect to start the kwin side of the implementation

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: > One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able > to add buttons to their thumbnails in the task manager. Use cases could this be done with the status notifier spec? -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint:

Re: the next step on the desktop

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Ivan Cukic wrote: > A.S. I might sound like I'm totally against the ideas proposed, I'm not - > I'm just pointing out the potential problems instead of just +1-ing the > good parts. > >> That doesn't seem to be a problem with the add widgets dialog, or with >> the

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: >> One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able >> to add buttons to their thumbnails in the task manager.  Use cases > > could this be done with the status notifier sp

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thursday 03 February 2011 18:47:01 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > > On Thursday 03 February 2011 16:51:34 todd rme wrote: > > > or tab lists on web browsers. > > > > Just as a note: I'm working on that together with rekonq developers (see > > com

Re: the next step on the desktop

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Ivan Cukic wrote: > > > 1. Get rid of favorites from the application launcher. Focus on > > > making runners easy, intuitive, and clear. These go in the middle. > > > > don't favourites and krunner do rather different things? > > They do, but when you use krunner,

Re: the next step on the desktop

> the suggestion is then to put favorites and runners in physical locality > to each other? I have no clue about the specifics of the original idea, just saying how it could be ;) BTW, on of the free DEs (forgot which one) had the standard win-like taskbar, and on Alt+Space (I encountered it by

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thursday 03 February 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: > > One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able > > to add buttons to their thumbnails in the task manager. Use cases > > could this be done with the status notifier spe

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 03 February 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: >> On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: >> > One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able >> > to add buttons to their thumbnails in the task manager.  Use

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Thursday 03 February 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > >> On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: > >> > One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able > >> > to a

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Desktop Key (3/3)

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 14:45 +0100, Marco Martin wrote: > > could still be a bit error prone, but i can't think of more automatic > > ways. it could also be done on the other way around, by having a list of > > desktop file paths as a property of the

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Marco Martin wrote: >> > On Thursday 03 February 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: >> >> On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: >> >> > One feature I think w

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: (Not|Only)ShowIn (2/3)

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > The use case was use cases! excellent ... :) > people wanting different menus on the panel vs. on the launcher. crazy idea: different menus from the same SNI for different (well-defined in the spec) contexts? if the SNI only provides a "generi

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Accessible Label (1/3)

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 14:37 +0100, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Thursday 03 February 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > > > One of the projects we're doing is to try and make Unity more > > > accessible. To that end we'd like to add properties to add accessibl

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: > But how does the visualization know how to arrange things? metadata. if there isn't enough metadata or the right sort, we add it. > Also, there is the issue with passing pixmaps. this is already available in the spec :) -- Aaron J. Seigo humru o

Re: the next step on the desktop

On 03-02-2011 at 19:05:56 Ivan Cukic wrote: > BTW, on of the free DEs (forgot which one) had the standard win-like > taskbar, and on Alt+Space (I encountered it by accident) it would replace > the taskbar with a 'run' text field. I liked it, but it was no krunner - > simple shell exec. This is Ic

Re: the next step on the desktop

On 03-02-2011 at 18:57:41 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > hm.. i see something in playground/base/plasma/applets/runnapplet > will have to check it out. I guess you mean runcommand, there is no directory runnapplet there (at least on SVN). It uses own dialog for results and maybe some other things that

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thursday 03 February 2011, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > On Thursday 03 February 2011 18:47:01 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > > > On Thursday 03 February 2011 16:51:34 todd rme wrote: > > > > or tab lists on web browsers. > > > > > > Just as a note:

Re: the next step on the desktop

Well seems that despite of the differences in our thoughts, there are a couple of points that everybody agrees on: 1-Maximize the usage of Favorites 2-Maximize the usage of KRunner 3-Find new ways of showing Favorites. Going beyond that in the mailist will be difficult, maybe an irc session cou

Re: the next step on the desktop

> This is IceWM, very useful feature when you have very limited resources. > ;-) Strangely enough, I use it from time to time, but completely forgot it was from there :) --- Well, we definitely need mocks of everything, this idea, and everything else people can devise. Maybe we should ask the co

Re: the next step on the desktop

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Ivan Čukić wrote: >> This is IceWM, very useful feature when you have very limited resources. >> ;-) > > Strangely enough, I use it from time to time, but completely forgot it > was from there :) > --- > > Well, we definitely need mocks of everything, this idea, and

Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Marco Martin wrote: > * this would look sexy > * would show explicitly a "way out of the browser" > * would mark a "prototype" on how a full desktop application could look > without painting limitations qwidgets now have > * enough? ;) this would be truly awesome; me

Re: Review Request: BMR: activity runner

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Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions

On Thursday 03 February 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Marco Martin wrote: > > * this would look sexy > > * would show explicitly a "way out of the browser" > > * would mark a "prototype" on how a full desktop application could look > > without painting limitations qwi

Re: Review Request: Add option to qalculate to show the result in different bases at the same time

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the next step on the desktop : what now?

Hi all, so, we had an astonishing inflow of ideas, opinions and use cases during these days, this was really great, keep em coming! It's amazing how much passion and energy there still is in this particular topic, as the thread says, the next step on the desktop. As ideas flows, there is an impo

tokamak five

Hi all, It seems it's that time of the year again :) I would really like we could have a little meeting again, maybe around april? I tink this time it would be nice to hae few people (10-15? but i want at least a couple of new faces there ;) to lay down a plan for the next releases, what we want

Re: the next step on the desktop

On Thursday 03 February 2011, alex.tolar wrote: > Good night everybody, > Yo, good evening. thanks for the feedback I really think you should subscribe to the list, will be easier to keep the discourse pen ;) > > About Activities > - detail: switch "Add spacer" button on the Panel menu with "Act

Re: tokamak five

I can do April, but not before 11th. > what we want to do, what the architecture of libplasma2 could be.. (good news, Bring the aspirins for this one :) > location I propose something not in the Arctic circle :) Do we have something/someone in Vienna or similar? -- While you were hanging y

Re: tokamak five

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Marco Martin wrote: > Hi all, > It seems it's that time of the year again :) > > I would really like we could have a little meeting again, maybe around > april? I tink this time it would be nice to hae few people (10-15? but i > want at least a couple of new faces th

Re: the next step on the desktop

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, alex.tolar wrote: > Good night everybody, > > I'm not using Windows since Ubuntu Dapper Drake, and Macintosh since before > the colored iMacs: can't care less. Win7, OsX, Gnome3, Unity and many > minor distros adopted a Dock: maybe not for a fool reason at all. I'm n

Re: tokamak five

Quoting Marco Martin : > Hi all, > It seems it's that time of the year again :) And that is great! :) > I would really like we could have a little meeting again, maybe around april? > I tink this time it would be nice to hae few people (10-15? but i want at > least a couple of new faces there ;)

apply buttons in config dialogs

hi.. some may have noticed that i enabled the apply button by default in widget config dialogs. i found a cute little hack to make the apply buttons deactivate properly on ok/apply being hit. (or so i hope :) now what we need to do is run around to all the C++ plasmoids and connect the widgets

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: Accessible Label (1/3)

On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 16:24 +0100, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > On the other hand, it requires application developers to add another > string in their code to all UI elements -- something which might be > easily forgotten by those that don't care a lot about a11y (I fear > that this applies to a lot o

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: (Not|Only)ShowIn (2/3)

On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 09:19 -0800, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: >> What we'd like to add is two properties that are >> lists of strings: NotShowIn and OnlyShowIn. These would work exactly >> the same as the same properties in Desktop files where an application >> could say "NotShowIn=["Unity Launcher"]"

Re: New properties for StatusNotifierItem: (Not|Only)ShowIn (2/3)

On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Ted Gould wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 09:19 -0800, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > >> What we'd like to add is two properties that are > >> lists of strings: NotShowIn and OnlyShowIn. These would work exactly > >> the same as the same properties in Desktop files where an

Re: the next step on the desktop

- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - > On Thursday, February 3, 2011, alex.tolar wrote: > > Good night everybody, > > > > I'm not using Windows since Ubuntu Dapper Drake, and Macintosh since > > before the colored iMacs: can't care less. Win7, OsX, Gnome3, Unity > > and many minor distros adopted

Re: tokamak five

- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - > On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Marco Martin wrote: > > Hi all, > > It seems it's that time of the year again :) > > > > I would really like we could have a little meeting again, maybe around > > april? I tink this time it would be nice to hae few people (10-