Hi
80hnhtv4agou--- via talk skrev: (22 augusti 2020
03:06:37 CEST)
>
>Also there is no wiki on unverified edits.
>
In OSM we don't yet have an established system for verification or accurate
machine readable references for the data to my knowledge.
This means the whole database is basicall
"It a playground with half-ass quality more than an authoritative and verified
source of information (like e.g. Wikipedia)"
I am not sure whatever you claim that
Wikipedia is
"playground with half-ass quality" or
"authoritative and verified source of information".
Though any of this claims would
To add to what Andy has already said, complaints about people using
private paths etc are relatively common, not a large number in absolute
terms, but there tend to be a couple each month which either land with
the DWG, or LWG, or naturally with the local community (I've handled a
couple of them wi
Here is yet another example of bad data in our database:
Originalmeddelande
Från: Martijn van Exel
Skickat: 22 augusti 2020 00:33:24 CEST
Till: talk@openstreetmap.org
Ämne: Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution
Curious anecdote: some AllTrails user apparently looke
Nobody claims OpenStreetMap data contains no mistakes.
Are you really expecting that we will be shocked by proof that
some data somewhere is wrong?
I would be able to post one mail per minute with examples of serious
mistakes, forever - even after my death, as it would be fairly easy to automate
Thanks to DWG for taking this action.
Aug 22, 2020, 03:35 by claysmal...@gmail.com:
> For those who aren't following, the DWG recently decided on a two-day ban for
> the person who posted this, for the exact behavior they're exhibiting right
> now: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/38
Hi 😀
Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020 09:55:10
CEST)
>"It a playground with half-ass quality more than an authoritative and
>verified source of information (like e.g. Wikipedia)"
>
>I am not sure whatever you claim that
>Wikipedia is
>"playground with half-ass quality" or
>"authoritativ
Hi again
Mateusz Konieczny via talk skrev: (22 augusti 2020
10:20:51 CEST)
>Nobody claims OpenStreetMap data contains no mistakes.
>
>Are you really expecting that we will be shocked by proof that
>some data somewhere is wrong?
No. Are you shocked by my constructive criticism and constructive s
(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in theory, but there are
still edits being made without any citations
(2) Wikipedia is explicitly forbidding original research, OSM is explicitly
encouraging it
The best edits are where people map things not mapped anywhere else,
or at least not
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, 09:28 pangoSE, wrote:
> Hi 😀
>
> Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020
> 09:55:10 CEST)
> >"It a playground with half-ass quality more than an authoritative and
> >verified source of information (like e.g. Wikipedia)"
> >
> >I am not sure whatever you claim that
> >Wikip
Hi
I would like to track all objects that I ever created or edited.
I suggest we implement a system to make this easy.
I suggest we create a new system that is updated every time a changeset is
uploaded. The new system tracks userids and osmids and date of last change/edit.
When I create or edi
Thanks for sharing. I have no intention of contacting the user in question. It
was just an illustrative example.
I don't know why this was posted to the tagging list. I intend to keep this
discussion on the talk list so please respond there to keep the discussion
together.
Cj Malone skrev: (
On 22/08/2020 09:12, pangoSE wrote:
Here is yet another example of bad data in our database:
(to "pangoSE", via the list):
Sometimes it helps to think about how we react to things in the spur of
the moment. Martijn's anecdote was about something that he mapped 9
years ago that was _correct
Hi 😀
Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020 10:51:49
CEST)
>(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in theory, but there
>are
>still edits being made without any citations
Yeah I know, but the point is its really hard to create a new article in WP
without references without it be
I think you can set this up with OSM Hall Monitor
https://github.com/ethan-nelson/osm_hall_monitor by tracking all the
objects you touch and setting them up as subscriptions.
Personally I found it easier to just subscribe to my whole city in OSMCha.
Nothing is stopping such a system being built a
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 18:28, pangoSE wrote:
> Hi 😀
>
> Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020
> 09:55:10 CEST)
> >"It a playground with half-ass quality more than an authoritative and
> >verified source of information (like e.g. Wikipedia)"
> >
> >I am not sure whatever you claim that
> >Wik
Thanks for the heads up. Words are really powerful so its wise to weigh them
carefully before disclosure.
I have no intentions of highlighting the errors of others just for the sake of
it. Individual errors are not interesting, but they can give input to a healthy
discussion.
I have ideas fo
On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 11:30 pangoSE wrote:
> Hi 😀
>
> Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020
> 10:51:49 CEST)
> >(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in theory, but there
> >are
> >still edits being made without any citations
>
> Yeah I know, but the point is its really hard to
Aug 22, 2020, 11:28 by pang...@riseup.net:
> Hi 😀
>
> Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020 10:51:49
> CEST)
> >(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in theory, but there
> >are
> >still edits being made without any citations
>
> Yeah I know, but the point is its really hard
On 22/08/2020 10:32, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Nothing is stopping such a system being built at the moment as a 3rd
party service, just needs someone motivated enough to build and
support it.
Yes - exactly that.
Until such time as someone writes a "mailing list post to software
translator"* it
Hi
Jo skrev: (22 augusti 2020 11:44:49 CEST)
>On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 11:30 pangoSE wrote:
>
>> Hi 😀
>>
>> Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020
>> 10:51:49 CEST)
>> >(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in theory, but
>there
>> >are
>> >still edits being made without any citati
On 22/08/2020 08:56, Simon Poole wrote:
To add to what Andy has already said, complaints about people using
private paths etc are relatively common, not a large number in absolute
terms, but there tend to be a couple each month which either land with
the DWG, or LWG, or naturally with the local c
> How/where was the notes addition proposed and implemented?
If I remember correctly, it was done as a "Google Summer of Code"
project - effectively a sponsorship deal. However, that project
requires a clone of the OSM website, which is a much harder job than
merely doing something with OSM d
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 11:02, pangoSE wrote:
> Hi
>
> Jo skrev: (22 augusti 2020 11:44:49 CEST)
> >On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 11:30 pangoSE wrote:
> >
> >> Hi 😀
> >>
> >> Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020
> >> 10:51:49 CEST)
> >> >(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in theory
On 2020-08-22 11:08, pangoSE wrote:
> The system can then be queried lke this:
>
> IMPLEMENTATION SUGGESTION:
>
> GET Openstreetmap.org/api/userobjects/pangoSE
> Outputs objects for user pangoSE with the oldest first (outputs 10
> entries, &offset can be used to get more, &size can be used to out
As, independent of any other concerns, a matter of good form, I would
want to point out that there is no such thing as ownership of
OSM-objects, and discussing a concept of "their OSM-objects" is starting
the discussion on the wrong foot.
Am 22.08.2020 um 11:08 schrieb pangoSE:
> Hi
>
> I would li
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> On 22. Aug 2020, at 10:15, pangoSE wrote:
>
> Here is yet another example of bad data in our database:
fix it ;-)
Of course OpenStreetMap contains errors, just like any other source, and
probably more, given that most contributors are laymen and have very few
experienc
Hi mmd 😀
mmd skrev: (22 augusti 2020 13:41:00 CEST)
>On 2020-08-22 11:08, pangoSE wrote:
>> The system can then be queried lke this:
>>
>> IMPLEMENTATION SUGGESTION:
>>
>> GET Openstreetmap.org/api/userobjects/pangoSE
>> Outputs objects for user pangoSE with the oldest first (outputs 10
>> entr
Hi Simon
Den Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:22:07 +0200
skrev Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to
easily track their OSM-objects over time:
> As, independent of any other concerns, a matter of good form, I would
> want to point out that there is no such thing as ownership of
> OSM-ob
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> On 22. Aug 2020, at 19:44, pangoSE wrote:
>
> Maybe we should first add permanent ids (new table) and reference that.
we do have permanent ids for nodes, ways and relations. ;-)
What kind of permanent ids do you want? For some more abstract concept like a
road with a spe
sent from a phone
> On 22. Aug 2020, at 19:44, pangoSE wrote:
>
> So one new table for permanent ids that is updated every time:
> * a node is created or deleted
> * a way is created from scratch or deleted
> * a relation is created from scratch or deleted
> * a way is converted to a relation
One of the best suggestions I and others have made to pangoSE regarding this
proposal is a very strong use case or solid, easily-grasped
geographically-based examples of a problem (exclusively or largely unsolvable
in OSM today, with today's data and tools) that would make for a solvable
proble
On 2020-08-22 19:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> What kind of permanent ids do you want? For some more abstract concept like a
> road with a specific name? A shop? A building? If there’s a way tagged with
> building=supermarket, shop=supermarket, name=Foo, and you add a permanent id
> to it. Th
>it was one person in CA adding 400 unverified tags to rail service in chicago.
>
>one just 818 m, away from my home.
>
>>Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:32 PM -05:00 from Martin Koppenhoefer <
>>dieterdre...@gmail.com >:
>>
>>sent from a phone
>>
>>> On 22. Aug 2020, at 10:15, pangoSE < pang...@
Everyone knows who you're talking about at this point, and nobody cares.
Use the remaining day or so of your temporary ban to work on some hobbies
outside of OpenStreetMap.
And be careful about who you say isn't local. I'm moving to Northern
Indiana next week and I'll certainly get the chance to s
On 8/22/20 03:20, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:
> Nobody claims OpenStreetMap data contains no mistakes.
There are a lot of cases where OSM data is better than that in Google
Maps, Mapquest, Bing Maps, etc. Unfortunately there are also a lot of
cases where the converse is true; in particular,
On 8/22/20 03:26, pangoSE wrote:
> I meant that a verification system does exist in Wikipedia and they
> now require references on all statements to keep up the quality of
> the articles which is sane IMO. We have no such system.
The big, huge difference between Wikipedia and OSM is that Wikipedia
Hi Martin :)
Den Sat, 22 Aug 2020 19:55:16 +0200
skrev Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to
easily track their OSM-objects over time:
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 22. Aug 2020, at 19:44, pangoSE wrote:
> >
> > Maybe we should first add permanent ids (new table) and refer
Hi Shawn
"Shawn K. Quinn" skrev: (23 augusti 2020 00:31:28 CEST)
>On 8/22/20 03:26, pangoSE wrote:
>> I meant that a verification system does exist in Wikipedia and they
>> now require references on all statements to keep up the quality of
>> the articles which is sane IMO. We have no such system
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