Re: [talk-au] Rendering Fuel tags

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Roy Wallace wrote: > Tags for that purpose are already described on > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dfuel I just noticed this url on that page: http://www.osmfuel.org map/site for searching fuel locations

Re: [talk-au] navit

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Sam Couter wrote: > That one seems to work much better. It's a bit of a hack but it would be much better if navit pulled the is_in information from admin boundaries, there is a boundary for most countries and things within Australia. _

Re: [talk-au] mailing lists and replying to them.

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM, John Smith wrote: > --- On Fri, 7/8/09, Roy Wallace wrote: > >> IMHO that's a problem with "them", not with the mailing >> list. But you > > Shouldn't we be a little more accommodating then treating people that don't > know better as some kind of lower class? I di

Re: [talk-au] navit

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > I wonder, how hard would it be to > write a script which looked at the ABS boundaries and placed > an is_in= tag on every way/node/whatever which is completely > within the multipolygon relation? You don't need the is_in tags, you use administ

Re: [talk-au] mailing lists and replying to them.

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Roy Wallace wrote: > IMHO that's a problem with "them", not with the mailing > list. But you Shouldn't we be a little more accommodating then treating people that don't know better as some kind of lower class? > although I do like the ability to hit "Reply" if I want to >

Re: [talk-au] navit

2009-08-06 Thread Sam Couter
John Smith wrote: > I just ran the new osm2navit over a data file a couple of days old and it > went from 40M to 50M as a result of the extra is_in data. > > http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/Australia-20090804.navit.bin That one seems to work much better. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@cou

Re: [talk-au] mailing lists and replying to them.

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, John Smith wrote: > They don't understand that they need to hit reply to all, that's what started > this thread in the first place, they thought hitting reply would reply to the > list, not to the person that sent it. IMHO that's a problem with "them", not with th

Re: [talk-au] navit

2009-08-06 Thread b . schulz . 10
I wonder, how hard would it be to write a script which looked at the ABS boundaries and placed an is_in= tag on every way/node/whatever which is completely within the multipolygon relation? Or would it be better to modify the routing software to look at the ABS boundaries instead? Just throwin

Re: [talk-au] mailing lists and replying to them.

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Roy Wallace wrote: > Um... Gmail works perfectly. I'd call it popular. You contradict yourself, you say you hit reply to all later in your email, that's not what Sam was talking about. > Erm... can't say I've used yahoo mail but its spam filters > should be > smarter than

Re: [talk-au] navit

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
I just ran the new osm2navit over a data file a couple of days old and it went from 40M to 50M as a result of the extra is_in data. http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/Australia-20090804.navit.bin ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] mailing lists and replying to them.

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:47 PM, John Smith wrote: > > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Sam Couter wrote: > >> I understand but will never accept the opposing position as >> I use a mail >> client that does handle reply-to-list correctly and have no >> sympathy for >> people who choose to use poor quality soft

Re: [talk-au] navit

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Sam Couter wrote: > As a result, most of the towns and suburbs in Australia > can't be > searched for due to a lack of is_in tags. My patch for > osm2navit > (attached) is a bit heavy-handed but trivial. If you've got > a build > environment set up for navit, give it a go. I

Re: [talk-au] navit

2009-08-06 Thread Sam Couter
John Smith wrote: > Nothing special, just followed the directions on this wiki page: > > http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/eeepc_navit As a result, most of the towns and suburbs in Australia can't be searched for due to a lack of is_in tags. My patch for osm2navit (attach

Re: [talk-au] mailing lists and replying to them.

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Sam Couter wrote: > I understand but will never accept the opposing position as > I use a mail > client that does handle reply-to-list correctly and have no > sympathy for > people who choose to use poor quality software when better > alternatives > exist. As I said, there i

Re: [talk-au] mailing lists and replying to them.

2009-08-06 Thread Sam Couter
John Smith wrote: > > Any point in asking to have this list default changed to reply to list or > would that be inviting a pointlessly endless argument with no outcome? You'll get me posting this, as I do on every list that this discussion comes up on: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 26, Issue 11

2009-08-06 Thread darylr
> > I was looking at getting a wall map of Australia for work and look > what I > found. > Really interesting device. > Hi Liz, Have a look at this one, it has many more features. http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8914 Darylr Keep up the great work, everybody! __

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:26 PM, John Smith wrote: > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: >> Why do all the Australian mapping >> guidelines need to be global? So long as what we tag ends up >> being consistent enough that their rendering works 99% of >> the time it's not really going

Re: [talk-au] Rendering Fuel tags

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:54 PM, John Smith wrote: > > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Liz wrote: > >> With a fuel station, it would be useful to be able to mark >> lpg=yes, >> diesel=yes, e10=yes > > That information would useful in a search, but I don't think it would be > useful to render it. Tags for tha

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-06 Thread Liz
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > > Meh, who cares. What we're > > essentially doing here is forking OSM, just while still > > using their database. Why do all the Australian mapping > > guidelines need to be global? So long as what we tag ends up > > being consistent enough that their render

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Meh, who cares. What we're > essentially doing here is forking OSM, just while still > using their database. Why do all the Australian mapping > guidelines need to be global? So long as what we tag ends up > being consistent enough that their r

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Matt White wrote: > Anyway, thanks for kicking it off again, and I was going to > say that I give it 6 hours before some dickhead goes "but > what about my Lamborghini - that's 4WD", but I noticed it's > already happened on the main list... mapping by committee at > it's fi

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-06 Thread b . schulz . 10
Meh, who cares. What we're essentially doing here is forking OSM, just while still using their database. Why do all the Australian mapping guidelines need to be global? So long as what we tag ends up being consistent enough that their rendering works 99% of the time it's not really going to chan

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-06 Thread Matt White
Liz wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Matt White wrote: > >> Anyway, thanks for kicking it off again, and I was going to say that I >> give it 6 hours before some dickhead goes "but what about my Lamborghini >> - that's 4WD", but I noticed it's already happened on the main list... >> mapping by commi

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-06 Thread Liz
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Matt White wrote: > Anyway, thanks for kicking it off again, and I was going to say that I > give it 6 hours before some dickhead goes "but what about my Lamborghini > - that's 4WD", but I noticed it's already happened on the main list... > mapping by committee at it's finest. t

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-06 Thread Matt White
John Smith wrote: > While it's not my proposal I updated it to match the current aussie > guidelines. Please vote for it if you are in favour of this tag so we can get > 4WD Only tacked on the end of road ways. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/4WD_Only > > Australian Taggi

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > well it is of course wrong to assume there would be water. > I was just thinking that the graphic could be reusable I know, but I was thinking more of people that just use maps, but don't edit, would they know what that icon means? __

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-06 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > > I've got one which renders on JOSM, as a node > > it's like a little car in the water > > Would that mean the same thing to you if you've never used JOSM? well it is of course wrong to assume there would be water. I was just thinking that the graphic could

[talk-au] Rendering Fuel tags

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Liz wrote: > With a fuel station, it would be useful to be able to mark > lpg=yes, > diesel=yes, e10=yes That information would useful in a search, but I don't think it would be useful to render it. ___ Talk-au mailing

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Liz wrote: > I've got one which renders on JOSM, as a node > it's like a little car in the water Would that mean the same thing to you if you've never used JOSM? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread Liz
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Evan Sebire wrote: > A complicated solution would be to have user options similar to non-web > applications. Tick-box to emphasise paths that have bicycle = yes tag. The > current cycle map is good but tick-boxes for other properties such as fuel, > bbq, motel etc. The renderi

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-06 Thread Liz
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > > highway=ford doesn't render > > I've come across this before, I just made the ford the node that crosses, > not the way. I've got one which renders on JOSM, as a node it's like a little car in the water ___ Ta

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:30:02 +0200 Evan Sebire wrote: > Maybe slightly off-topic but does the current rendering engine obey the width > parameter? I wanted to fix up a river that is in some parts 10m wide and > others 100m. Would setting the width be the correct way to make it render > bette

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread Evan Sebire
On Thursday 06 Aug 2009 10:13:47 John Smith wrote: > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Evan Sebire wrote: > > A complicated solution would be to have user options > > similar to non-web > > applications. Tick-box to emphasise paths that have > > bicycle = yes tag. The > > current cycle map is good but tick-bo

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Evan Sebire wrote: > A complicated solution would be to have user options > similar to non-web > applications.  Tick-box to emphasise paths that have > bicycle = yes tag. The > current cycle map is good but tick-boxes for other > properties such as fuel, > bbq, motel etc. 

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread Evan Sebire
On Thursday 06 Aug 2009 09:21:59 John Smith wrote: > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Evan Sebire wrote: > > I'm just still not sure if we should categorise paths so > > they display > > correctly with the current limitations of a rendering > > algorithm. > > What limitation? :) > > We're currently in the pro

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 5/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > I can't find the email with the Wiki link For the record... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aussie_Mapnik_Style_Changes Also I've been trying to stick the category tags on the Aussie specific pages. [[Category:Australia]] Then all pag

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Evan Sebire wrote: > I'm just still not sure if we should categorise paths so > they display > correctly with the current limitations of a rendering > algorithm. What limitation? :) We're currently in the process of defining how things render how we choose, we just need t

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread Evan Sebire
I'm just still not sure if we should categorise paths so they display correctly with the current limitations of a rendering algorithm. When reading the main wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Cycleway ) I understand the definition of cycleway to mean bicycle only paths or pat