Mystery ships and E-bombs

2003-02-20 Thread Astro
More war scams  in progress? The United States and Great Britain, fighting a losing battle against world opinion, have now announced that there are three "mystery ships" winding around the world's oceans, not going anywhere in particular, not using their radios, in other words, acting VERY

A word of caution

2003-02-20 Thread Astro
From another email list Warning for anyone using LimeWire or Morpheus For many years now I've used a free download service called LimeWire. You can usually find songs, programs and other information others care to share.Lately, there have been a number of programs that turn up when you se

Top 10 Countries from which the United States Imports Oil

2003-02-21 Thread Astro
To clear up any misconceptions2002 Top 10 Countries from which the United States Imports Oil (thousand barrels per day)Ranking Country 2000, 2001, 2002*  1 Canada 1,807 1,828 1,895 2 Saudi Arabia 1,572 1,662 1,505 3 Mexico 1,373 1,440 1,501 4 Venezuela 1,546 1,553 1,385 5 Nigeria 8

Real patriots free to question Bush

2003-02-22 Thread Astro
Real patriots free to question Bush So, my girlfriend sees George Dubbya on the tube and she immediately flashes tight lips and a furrowed brow. "I just don't trust him," she says. "I want to, but I don't. Some kind of patriotic American I am, huh?" That got a rise out of me: "I would

Americans have been duped before....

2003-02-23 Thread Astro
I'm shocked, literally shocked and appalled!!! Americans were duped before; it could be happening again By DON WILLIAMS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] February 21, 2003 Are you being duped? Ask yourself that question before condemning those who oppose bombing, invading and occupying Iraq. It wouldn't

Are you an Anti-Ameircan lone extremist?

2003-02-24 Thread Astro
Terrorism - it's not strictly for Muslims anymore. 'Are you an Anti-Ameircan lone extremist?'Posted on Monday, February 24 @ 09:53:17 EST   By Kurt NimmoThe Bushites and the FBI made a semantic leap recently. According to the New York Times, a "classified" intelligence bulletin generate

Saddam Challenges Bush To Live Broadcast Debate

2003-02-24 Thread Astro
This ought to be a real hoot if it were ever to take place. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/21/iraq/main541427.shtml   Saddam Defiant On Missiles"I am ready to conduct a direct dialogue with your president. I will say what I want and he will say what he wants." - Saddam Hussein (CBS)

The Law Of Averages

2003-02-24 Thread Astro
Imagine this: You finally splurge on a fancy restaurant. Shortly after you arrive, Bill Gates comes in to dine. Suddenly, the average worth and average income of the diners in the restaurant, shoots into the stratosphere. How much richer are you?But wait: In comes a party of 12 - the Rockefe

Very good information to know!

2003-02-25 Thread Astro
Very good information to know if you're ever forced to take a polygraph or Rorschach (ink blot) test.  Besides being used for criminal investigations (I love freedom so I'm probably considered a criminal nowadays) these totally unreliable tests are often given for employment screening purpos

Another Ashcroft outrage

2003-02-25 Thread Astro
"She was a 55-year-old "granny," as she describes herself, and she couldn't get the agents [at the Chicago airport] to recognize her public name, Bernadette Devlin. Finally, from checking computer profiles they found that McAliskey was Bernadette Devlin, at 21, the youngest member of the Bri

Remembering what it means to be an American

2003-02-25 Thread Astro
Remembering what it means to be an AmericanBy DOUG THOMPSONFeb 24, 2003, 06:59I'm an American: bred, born and raised in the home of the brave and land of the free. I'm also a patriot, having served my country more than once and in different ways.But I've never thought that being an American

White House press corps laughs Ari out of room

2003-02-25 Thread Astro
The press corps finally recognizes that Pinocchio is briefing them everyday and laughed Ari out of the White House press briefing room.   They all simultaneously erupted in laughter at the absurdity of his lies when Ari was(gasp!) asked about a French report that says Bush is buying votes wi

How to protect your address book

2003-02-26 Thread Astro
I don't know if this really works or not, but it certainly won't hurt anything in your PC.    HOW TO PROTECT YOUR ADDRESS BOOK!   Here's a computer trick today that's really ingenious in its simplicity. As you may know, when/if a worm virus gets into your computer it heads straight for your

THE "DEAD ZONE" SCENARIO

2003-02-26 Thread Astro
THE "DEAD ZONE" SCENARIO: What do we do when confronted by the certainty of evil?By John KaminskiFebruary 26, 2003 These days hang heavy, languid, dream like. I imagine how it must have been sitting in a park on the coast of France staring at the gray ocean sky in those dreary days right b

Retired Air Force general takes Bush to task on Iraq

2003-02-26 Thread Astro
Guarding the Washington Monument with Stinger missiles, McPeak says, is “amateur hour.” Retired Air Force general takes Bush to task on IraqTony McPeak, who lives in Oregon, says the president has bungled diplomacy.The Associated PressFebruary 25, 2003LAKE OSWEGO — Tony McPeak, a four-sta

Michael Savage: "It's time to re-enact the Sedition Act"

2003-02-27 Thread Astro
Michael Savage, the slice and dice shuck and jive self-proclaimed arbiter of pro-war patriotism apparently has let his New York Times #1 best-selling book go to his head. He is now suffering from severe cerebral constipation from being so full of himself. On his nationally syndicated radio p

Can anyone answer this?

2003-02-27 Thread Astro
This is a from a letter printed in our local paper. I have never heard this question before. Do any of you know if his statements have merit? Or is there a 'clause' which would let Bush off the hook?  Thanks for all your help! :<) Let's assume for the sake of argument that the United State

The more things change, the more they stay the same....

2003-02-27 Thread Astro
This is a perfect example of why I'm an independent and refuse to affiliate myself with either the GOP or Dems. :<) Sunshine PatriotTom DeLay and the party of appeasement.By William SaletanPosted Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 2:22 PM PT On Wednesday, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay

Let's really support our soldiers

2003-02-28 Thread Astro
The following was sent to me by a friend.  It's an article by Clare Hanrahan, a true lifelong warrior for peace and justice.  It was first published in the Mountain Express, Ashville, North Carolina on February 26th. - Original Message - From: Clare Hanrahan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

MICROSOFT XP USERS...HEADS UP!!!

2003-02-28 Thread Astro
Windows Update keeps tabs on all system software By John Leyden Posted: 28/02/2003 at 10:49 GMT Evidence obtained by German hardware site tecChannel suggests a list of software installed on an XP machine is sent to Microsoft when users run Windows Update. When patches are downloaded, a few k

Sorry for the delay in responding to your email.

2003-03-01 Thread Astro
Sorry for the delay in responding to your email.    It took me much more time than I thought it would to wrap my house in duct tape and plastic sheeting to ward off a biological attack.  It wasn't easy, but I think I've finally got the place air tight for now.At first, I was just going to c

Big fish was dead already - Asia Times report

2003-03-03 Thread Astro
Who are you going to believe? Big fish was dead already - Asia Times reporthttp://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DJ30Df01.htmlArticle dated October 30 2002By Syed Saleem Shahzad "KARACHI - Ever since the frenzied shootout last month on September 11 in Karachi there have been doubts over w

The real reason Bush must attack Saddam

2003-03-03 Thread Astro
The pro-war wing of the GOP believes Bush will be transformed by the bounce he gets from the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.  In other words: more pure raw poltical power. NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVEPlanet Bush   In the president’s version of reality, an invasion of Iraq brings democracy to th

War by Howard Zinn

2003-03-03 Thread Astro
Published on Thursday, February 27, 2003 by CommonDreams.org War by Howard Zinn   As I write this, it looks like war. This, in spite of the obvious lack of enthusiasm in the country for war. The polls that

Monitoring Iraq Airwaves - Shortwave?

2003-03-03 Thread Astro
Monitoring Iraq Airwaves Guide to monitoring radio transmissions to and from Iraq. Shortwave and mediumwave radio offer a unique chance to get alternative, first hand accounts and opinions on the crisis - at least if you speak Arabic or Kurdish. Here you can find a listing of radio stations i

Moscow Times editorial

2003-03-03 Thread Astro
This was printed in the Monday online edition of the Moscow Times Monday, Mar. 3, 2003. Page 11 Clamping Down StatesideBy Matt Bivens WASHINGTON -- On the evening of Feb. 13, Andrew O'Conner, 40, was at St. John's College library in New Mexico when city

Charley Reese - The "Don't Know" Crowd

2003-03-04 Thread Astro
Received from a conservative friend in Brevard County, Florida Charley Reese is a well-known conservative writer in central Florida, formerly a regularly appearing columnist for the Orlando Sentinel newspaper. He is another conservative AGAINST the Bush administration war plans.http://re

Dismantle Weapons of Mass Deception

2003-03-04 Thread Astro
How about doing this nation wide? Don't get mad, get even! :<) March 2, 2003Fed-Up Viewers Say, “No More Lies!”People Smash Their TVs at NBC StudiosWASHINGTON, DC - Early Sunday morning, a group of disgruntled television viewers calling themselves “Meet The People” disowned their televisi

The Department Of Homeland Panic

2003-03-05 Thread Astro
The Department Of Homeland Panic has some very good advice   http://www.terrorready.net/index.asp

Court lets "Under God" ban stand

2003-03-05 Thread Astro
The federal appeals court that outraged much of the country last summer when it declared unconstitutional the law passed by Congress in 1954 that added the words "under God" to the pledge, refused to reconsider that ruling. It takes effect this Friday in Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii,

US hits roadblock in push to war

2003-03-05 Thread Astro
From the UK Independent and What Really Happened US hits roadblock in push to war America admitted yesterday that the war due to begin as early as next week might have to be put back by at least a month because of Turkey's refusal to allow US ground troops to deploy there. Though some off

Lawyer arrested for wearing "Give Peace A Chance" t-shirt

2003-03-05 Thread Astro
Two shopping mall rent-a-cops said he wasn't allowed to wear the shirt he had just purshased inside the mall!  He could face up to a year in prison if convicted. Has the entire world gone stark raving mad?  Lawyer Arrested for Wearing a 'Peace' T-Shirt   NEW YORK (Reuters) - A lawyer w

1998 Letter to President Clinton on Iraq

2003-03-05 Thread Astro
 Look at the signatures http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm January 26, 1998 The Honorable William J. ClintonPresident of the United StatesWashington, DC Dear Mr. President:We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not suc

The REAL story on Khalid Shaikh Mohammed

2003-03-05 Thread Astro
  This is one of the best pieces of true investigative journalism I've read in an extremely long time.  Expertly researched and extensively documented by Paul Thompson.  I highly recommend you peruse this article with great care. Is there more to the capture of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed than

Read it and weep, then please forward

2003-03-06 Thread Astro
Title: Read it and weep, then please forward Gentle readers be forewarned: a (homeless?) Vietnam veteran standing in fromt of the Vietnam memorial in Washingtom DC speaks from his heart in very blunt terms.  I cannot personally find fault with his language or sentiments as he speaks of the aw

The Earth lights up for peace :<)

2003-03-06 Thread Astro
I thought this was some kind of joke until I get to the part where they're actually going to take night time satellite images, so I guess they really are serious about this!    I've got a high-intensity search light. :<) THE EARTH LIGHTS UP FOR PEACE SUNDAY MARCH 9th, BETWEEN 8:00 PM AND

Re: Fla. officials warn of bacteria outbreak

2003-03-07 Thread Astro
I used to live on the beach in South Florida and these advisories are nothing new. This happens frequently because they pump raw sewage through underwater pipelines out into the ocean.  Most of the pipelines extend a couple of miles out from the shoreline and the sewage is carried away by th

PPAVDA: Thousands of Russians volunteer to defend Iraq

2003-03-07 Thread Astro
Thousands of Russians volunteer to defend Iraq Around ten thousand Russian citizens have applied for entry visas into Iraq to defend this country against the planned aggression by the warmongering USA and UK, according to the Iraqi Embassy in Moscow. Iraqi Ambassador to Moscow, Abbas Khalaf,

Unbelievable!

2003-03-08 Thread Astro
"The FBI flew 120 agents fully armed in riot gear on two C-17  military aircraft  to Moscow Idaho to arrest one Saudi graduate student  for visa fraud. The raid went down in University of Idaho student housing at 4:30 a.m. in the morning." The beginning of "Red Dawn, the Movie Part 2 Am

AN IMPORTANT "SNAP SHOT"

2003-03-08 Thread Astro
From my good friend Vilma in Miami.  Check out the excellent letters to the editor.  I left the original addresses intact in case you want to use any of them. - Original Message - From: VilmaFox To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;

The Willing Conscript by Tom Paxton

2003-03-09 Thread Astro
The Willing Conscript Oh Sergeant I'm a draftee and I've just arrived in camp.I've come to wear the uniform and join the martial tramp.And I want to do my duty, but one thing I do imploreYou must give me lessons, sergeant, for I've never killed before.To do my job obediently is my only desir

Take America Back

2003-03-10 Thread Astro
Click here: TAKE AMERICA BACK   <>

Waltzing Matilda

2003-03-10 Thread Astro
Waltzing Matilda   When I was a young man I carried my packAnd I lived the free life of a roverFrom the Murrays green basin to the dusty outbackI waltzed my Matilda all overThen in nineteen fifteen my country said SonIt's time to stop rambling 'cause there's work to be doneSo they gave me a

Inside scoop on world leaders

2003-03-10 Thread Astro
If you haven't seen this yet, it's a very interesting read. Laurie Garrett wrote the following e-mail to her friends, some of whom it then passed it on-and now it belongs to the ages, much to Laurie Garrett's dismay. It is a brilliant piece of work, It's full of news and interesting asides,

Why France is America's true friend

2003-03-11 Thread Astro
From the Toronto Sun Why France is America's true friend   By ERIC MARGOLIS -- Contributing Foreign Editor MIAMI -- Watching American TV can be a surreal experience. Sandwiched between ads for instant weight loss products, predigested fast food, and incontinence panties, cable TV commen

A Pastoral Letter to the President

2003-03-11 Thread Astro
A Pastoral Letter to the President May 8, 2002 By Rev. Rich Lang Dear President Bush, When you were running for office you stated that Jesus Christ was your favorite philosopher. You have made a point of proclaiming your Christian faith. You have put time and energy in an attempt to link

Richard Perle: the Lowdown

2003-03-11 Thread Astro
Richard Pearle is a traitor http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/10/Richard_Perle_lowdown.html Richard Perle: the Lowdown David Irving hears: WHEN Richard Perle chairman of the Pentagon's defence policy board, was working for Senator Scoop Jackson, he was investigated by the Justice Department a

Pentagon threatens independent reporters

2003-03-11 Thread Astro
More arrogance from the Pentagon. They're only going to show Iraqi troops dressed up as Americans committing any atrocities.  Count on CNN to bring us the truth.  I've already committed myself to resist all temptation and leave my television set turned off when things get underway.  I refuse

A 'Help Wanted' ad found on the web

2003-03-13 Thread Astro
A 'Help Wanted' ad found on the web: http://www.google-watch.org/jobad.html Deployment Engineer (with security clearance) Spooks on board at Google Matt Cutts, a software engineer at Google since January 2000, used to work for the National Security Agency and has a top-secret clearance. G

Military reservist says "no" to Iraq duty

2003-03-13 Thread Astro
National Guard reservist Bryan Alarcon. He's just saying NO to war. Some military reservists will risk jail to resist Iraq dutyBy Prashant Gopal Staff writer Posted March 6 2003 National Guard reservist Bryan Alarcon said "no" when his sergeant called looking for

Buget Unveiled Today Contains Large Cuts In Medicare And Veterans Programs

2003-03-13 Thread Astro
House Republican Buget Unveiled Today Contains Large Cuts In Medicare, Medicaid, And Other Domestic Programs   The budget that House Budget Committee Chairman Jim Nussle unveiled today contains deep and widespread cuts in basic domestic programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, veterans programs

For better or worse, a war is on the way

2003-03-13 Thread Astro
The sober people in Washington are a lot more worried about North Korea than Iraq For better or worse, a war is on the way   You say you're getting fed up with all the waiting? Can't wait for the  shooting to begin and the MOABs to start mushrooming up along with the littered bodies?

101 Ways To Stop A War On Iraq

2003-03-13 Thread Astro
101 Ways To Stop A War On Iraq Compiled and written by Guy Dauncey, Victoria, BC, Canadawww.earthfuture.com WE ARE MILLIONS One Way to Stop the War for All of Us 101.   Give up the belief that the world is going to hell in a handbasket. Put fear to one side, and replace it with the confi

Re: 101 Ways To Stop A War On Iraq

2003-03-13 Thread Astro
There are 101 different suggestions on how to stop the war. If you don't like one of the suggestions given, there are 100 more to choose from.   Astro

Re: 101 Ways To Stop A War On Iraq

2003-03-13 Thread Astro
"I'm sure you're a nice person Astro, but let the record show that Astro supports the UN Security Council's authority over the united States of America. I don't agree with you."   Let WHAT RECORD show that I support the United Nations Security Council?

Re: A Slap at France, Brown-Waite's Bill Would Bring the Boys Home

2003-03-14 Thread Astro
veryone to call, write or fax Miss Ginny and express their feelings about her proposed legislation!   Astro   Web Site: www.house.gov/brown-waiteE-mail: Contact Via 'Write Your Rep.'Washington Office1516 Longworth House Office BuildingWashington, D.C. 20515-0905Phone: (202) 225-1002F

Fox News Alert

2003-03-15 Thread Astro
courtesy: www.whatreallyhappened.com   3/13/03 Iraqi Troops Moving Toward Kuwait "We invaded because they MADE us do it! Okay, time for some common sense. Why would Saddam invade Kuwait or attack Israel? Why would Saddam do the one thing that could bail Bush and Blair out of the politica

Check out and sign the Cats For Peace petition

2003-03-15 Thread Astro
Calling all peace loving felines!  Is your cat against the war?   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:33 PM Subject: [WendysWords] Check out Sign the Kitty Petition  Click here: Sign the Petition WEN <>

Poor Tony Blair wakes up

2003-03-16 Thread Astro
Title: Message Poor Tony Blair wakes up The prime minister thought he could sagely steer his impetuous American friends away from actions they would later regret. It turns out they were just playing him for a patsy Terry JonesSunday March 16, 2003 It's not easy when you find out that your fr

The High Price of Bad Diplomacy

2003-03-16 Thread Astro
Good article. Remarks from Business Week on Bush's imperalistic behavior The High Price of Bad DiplomacyMismanaging the runup to war will do more than squander goodwill and damage allianceshttp://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_12/b3825801.htm

A Warmonger explains war to a Peacenik

2003-03-16 Thread Astro
A Warmonger explains war to a Peacenik PeaceNik: Why did you say we are we invading Iraq?WarMonger: We are invading Iraq because it is in violation of security council resolution 1441. A country cannot be allowed to violate security council resolutions.PN: But I thought many of our allies,

Eye witness reports from Baghdad

2003-03-16 Thread Astro
Whether you agree with these folks or not - even if you think these folks are completely nuts - they present perspectives not heard in our mainstream media.  Everyone else is pulling out of Iraq, including all of the UN inspectors tommorow, and these folks are vowing to stay in Baghdad throu

what happens when corporations gain direct control of our military

2003-03-17 Thread Astro
From our good friend RB in Canada - Original Message - From: RB Ham To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: I've been on the road alot lately As many of you know, I'm a truck driver and lately my company has keptme on the road alot. As it is, I've got a

Transcript of Iraq Address by President Bush

2003-03-17 Thread Astro
---Original Message--- From: Jack Oliver, Deputy Chairman, RNC Date: Monday, March 17, 2003 21:39:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Iraq Address by President Bush President Bush's Remarks to the Nation THE PRESIDENT: My fellow citizens, events in Iraq have now reached the final da

"I am allowed to go see the ocean"

2003-03-17 Thread Astro
This came to me tonight from a friend in Colorado.  It contains excerpts from an email Rachel Corrie wrote to her parents before she was killed by an Israeli bulldozer. - Original Message - From: JMK-CJPE To: cjpe list-serve local Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:34 AM Subject:

Vietnam 2 Checklist

2003-03-18 Thread Astro
Vietnam 2 Checklist 1. Cabal of oldsters who won't listen to outside advice? Check.2. No understanding of ethnicities of the many locals? Check.   3. Imposing country boundaries drawn in Europe, not by the locals? Check.4. Unshakeable faith in our superior technology? Check.   5. France sec

Re: do you remember this?

2003-03-18 Thread Astro
"Very interesting facts. I do remember the Ollis North and his security system."~Brenda~   Very interesting urban legend. I do remember reading about this on snopes.com ~Astro~ Claim:   Oliver North stated during the 1987 Iran-Contra hearings that Osama bin Laden was &quo

IMPORTANT IMPEACHMENT ALERT

2003-03-18 Thread Astro
Fax or email Rep. Conyers supporting Impeachment and Removal from office of the entire Bush Administration. They are NOT introducing articles of impeachment now. They are only tallying votes FOR and AGAINST impeachment as of this moment.   The phones are currently ringing off the hook, so p

Bush Must Go!

2003-03-19 Thread Astro
Bush Must Go! by Edgar J. Steele March 18, 2003 What the neocon logic comes down to is this. The U.S. has a moral responsibility to run the world.But the citizens are too stupid to understand this. That's why we can't use democratic institutions like Congress in this ambition. We must u

Re: I need some help...

2003-03-19 Thread Astro
pybot Search and Destroy: http://spybot.safer-networking.de/ Lavasoft Ad Aware: http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/   Good luck!   Astro  ---Original Message---   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 13:49:10 To: power hour friends Subject: I need some help...   I have be

Something is Terribly Wrong in America

2003-03-19 Thread Astro
I believe history will judge Cynthia McKinney in a much more favorable light than those who have recently demonized her. Something is Terribly Wrong in America by CYNTHIA McKINNEY (Remarks at March 15 Anti-War Rally San Francisco, California.) We stand here together. Shoulder to shoulder.

Saddam's diamond-buying spree suggests he may flee

2003-03-19 Thread Astro
"Since the Gulf War he has not left the country, and only a week ago he declared in a defiant address that he would never desert in the event of war. But if, as reported, he is converting some of his fortune into jewels that can be transported easily, he may not mean what he says." Saddam

Shortwave frequencies for monitring Iraq

2003-03-19 Thread Astro
Thanks for the heads up HRH!   I'm tuned in to 11.175 USB and getting some traffic but nothing of any real news value thus far, mostly radio checks and so on.    I posted this before but here's a good web page with lots of shortwave frequencies for monitoring Iraq.   Monitoring Iraq: War

IRAQI TROOPS NOW EATING LIVE BABIES

2003-03-20 Thread Astro
Note: disclaimer at the bottom of this article says this is a "SATIRE"    Who ever wrote this has a very SICK SENSE OF HUMOR if you ask me! BOOKMARK THIS SITE FOR UNCENSORED COVERAGEWAR SHOCK LATEST:IRAQI TROOPS NOWEATING LIVE BABIES 20th March, 2003 02:30 GMThttp://www.GuluFuture.comBy

An explainatioin and my apologies

2003-03-21 Thread Astro
Dear Joyce and Dave and friends of the Power Hour,I have been informed that I should not have posted the Iraqi baby eaterstory to this list because it was inappropriate and "garbage" and that thePower Hour is about exposing the truth.Kindly allow me a few words of explaination.  That is prec

Bush's Groom and Gloom

2003-03-21 Thread Astro
My true feelings about the following 2 items are unprintable.  "Extremely disgruntled" is a polite understatement. A BuzzFlash News Analysis March 21, 2003  Bus

Want to help out our troops? Here's one way to do it :<)

2003-03-22 Thread Astro
I pulled this off a discussion forum. I can't think of a better way to support our troops while opposing the war. There may be other groups that are sending care packages to our troops besides those listed below.  I'm going to talk to friends this weekend about starting up our own local su