[delicious-discuss] lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread joshua schachter
Hi. I can't quite put my finger on why, exactly, yet, but I'm not thrilled about "lazy sheep." We've definitely been burned in the past by alternative posting interfaces silently corrupting user's data. I'm also not thrilled about automatic tags and commenting; there should be some deci

Re: [delicious-discuss] lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread W.B. McNamara
> I'm also not thrilled about automatic tags and commenting; there > should be some decision on the part of the user. The choice of tags > seems somewhat abusable at the very worst, annoying at the best (for > example, see http://del.icio.us/tag/!mobiledesktop for the dangers). > Yeah, I guess I

Re: [delicious-discuss] lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread joshua schachter
Interesting -- is the idea to just avoid having to go through the whole post process if you just want to bookmark something to check out later (since you can just tag something "readlater" anyway), or are you thinking in the direction of some of the private tagging that's been discussed on

[delicious-discuss] Tracking del.icio.us feed and bookmark statistical data

2005-09-01 Thread Scott Villarosa
Greetings del addicts, I have a theory about del feed and bookmark statistical data and using this within the realms of the whole del social thingamajig to promote user exploration and perhaps even generate new user to user relationships as a result. Basically my idea is based on letting users kno

[delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread John Resig
Joshua, I definitely understand what you're saying, I did not foresee some of the problems that are now arising. The one change that I have made to the code, very recently, is that the default number of tags 'borrowed' is limited to 6, instead of 'Unlimited'. What was happening before was

[delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread John Resig
Yeah, I guess I don't really see the point of a bookmarklet that just duplicates the tags and descriptions provided by others...as you say, the abuse potential is great and I don't see what the user really gets out of it: they'll end up with an erratic tag library that probably won't make se

Re: [delicious-discuss] Tag people ?

2005-09-01 Thread Prentiss Riddle
On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 03:35:49PM -0500, David Hagar wrote: > > It would be cool if you could tag yourself and search the tags that > other users apply to themselves. Even better would be to send a message > to all the people with a particular tag pattern. Sounds like the dating site Consumati

Re: [delicious-discuss] Tag people ?

2005-09-01 Thread David Hagar
In my original post I had in mind kind of an infrastructure for smart mobs. Being able to quickly connect venture capital, entreprenuers, and developers. But more importantly not just people that can do the job but people who are fervently pasionate about the technology and have a reputation am

Re: [delicious-discuss] similar to "for" - any plans for "via" / "from"

2005-09-01 Thread Chris Messina
What would be most interesting would be a geneology for discovery... i.e. via:... via:... via:... enabling you to trace something all the way back up the chain. This would lend itself to some very interesting "six degrees" visualizations... who knows, maybe we're down to 4 degrees by now. Chris

[delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread John Resig
Joshua, I definitely understand what you're saying, I did not foresee some of the problems that are now arising. The one change that I have made to the code, very recently, is that the default number of tags 'borrowed' is limited to 6, instead of 'Unlimited'. What was happening before was

[delicious-discuss] Linkroll by date

2005-09-01 Thread Marjolein Hoekstra
Title: Linkroll by date Hi,   I'm playing around a bit with the del.icio.us link rolls feature. So far the script works just fine, but it does make me wonder if I could take this one step further and pull the feed in into my daily blog posts, where only today's posts are selected. I know d

[delicious-discuss] "Clean" feeds?

2005-09-01 Thread Sam Rowe
A while ago Joshua said that my "clean feeds" (where a given URL will only appear in the feed once, rather than whenever it gets posted) was on the TODO list. Any idea when they might come to fruition? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://l

Re: [delicious-discuss] "Clean" feeds?

2005-09-01 Thread joshua schachter
IIRC, the issue was that every individual user will have a different view of the "first time" a url is seen, so which to show? I've been toying with the idea of promoting tags up to urls (right now, both tags and urls semantically are part of a user's post) and providing feeds of that, but the

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread joshua schachter
That's pretty much it, exactly. I keep a relatively well-defined tag library - because I find it to be useful, to me. However, I've simply run out of time trying to keep it maintained - I just want to throw my link into del.icio.us and forget it (for now). I should also bring up that the

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread John Resig
Hi Joshua, I'm really confused as to why you are disabling this - with the recent change that I made, it does not effect the performance or usability for other users and, in fact, many many people find this to be of great help when using del.icio.us (myself included). It helps to lower th

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread joshua schachter
John Resig wrote: I'm really confused as to why you are disabling this - with the recent change that I made, it does not effect the performance or usability for other users and, in fact, many many people find this to be of great help when using del.icio.us (myself included). It helps to l

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread John Resig
Tagging is all about a way to encapsulate the user's intuition about the item being saved. This does not provide any of that functionality. For most people, it most certainly is. But if the only context within which a user will use a tagging-based system is by not tagging anything, ever,

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread joshua schachter
For most people, it most certainly is. But if the only context within which a user will use a tagging-based system is by not tagging anything, ever, I say that this is a step in the right direction to help them move on to something /could be/ more meaningful to them. However, I feel that

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread John Resig
You are not providing a choice, just something that looks like it has the same result; the user has no decision. Yes, a user does have a decision. The user has made the decision to use, or not use, the bookmarklet. The user has made the decision to trust the knowledge and verbiage of other

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread joshua schachter
I think this largely proves my points. Joshua John Resig wrote: You are not providing a choice, just something that looks like it has the same result; the user has no decision. Yes, a user does have a decision. The user has made the decision to use, or not use, the bookmarklet. The user

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread John Resig
Joshua, I've done some more thinking and I want to return to a point you made earlier. "If the correct solution is an easier way to add all the recommended tags..." What if the basic logic flow for Lazy Sheep looked something like this: If no one has tagged X, go to the normal del.icio.u

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread joshua schachter
I would prefer that it either ask or add no tags. I suppose we need to standardize and support some sort of "read later" tag, perhaps system:readlater Joshua John Resig wrote: Joshua, I've done some more thinking and I want to return to a point you made earlier. "If the correct solutio

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread John Sullivan
joshua schachter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would prefer that it either ask or add no tags. > > I suppose we need to standardize and support some sort of "read later" tag, > perhaps system:readlater > How about just system:later? Lots of links aren't meant to be read, and it's shorter. --

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread Matthew Weymar
On 9/1/05, John Resig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua, > > I've done some more thinking and I want to return to a point you made > earlier. > > "If the correct solution is an easier way to add all the recommended > tags..." > > What if the basic logic flow for Lazy Sheep looked something lik

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread pwlin
Or maybe more complete, it can be like system:later:read Because system:later:download , system:later:forschool and system:later:blogabout would be as valuable as system:later:read Would it be possible to tag the last part of system:later:... ? On 9/2/05, John Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep

2005-09-01 Thread Philipp Keller
> I like del.icio.us really, really simple - so that people can use it > however they want. Many people are very creative this way; some much > less so. But why prevent the "less creative" from being less > creative?... I really don't get this. Me too. Actually I motivated some friends of mine in u