Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-12-03 Thread Trevor Pretty
Just thought I would let everybody know I saw one at a local ISP yesterday. They hadn't started testing the metal had only arrived the day before and they where waiting for the drives to arrive. They had also changed the design to give it more network. I will try to find out more as the custom

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-04 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Marc Bevand wrote: > Tim Cook cook.ms> writes: > > > > Whats the point of arguing what the back-end can do anyways? This is > bulk > data storage. Their MAX input is ~100MB/sec. The backend can more than > satisfy that. Who cares at that point whether it can

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-04 Thread Marc Bevand
Tim Cook cook.ms> writes: > > Whats the point of arguing what the back-end can do anyways?  This is bulk data storage.  Their MAX input is ~100MB/sec.  The backend can more than satisfy that.  Who cares at that point whether it can push 500MB/s or 5000MB/s?  It's not a database processing tran

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-04 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Marc Bevand wrote: > Marc Bevand gmail.com> writes: > > > > So in conclusion, my SBNSWAG (scientific but not so wild-ass guess) > > is that the max I/O throughput when reading from all the disks on > > 1 of their storage pod is about 1000MB/s. > > Correction: the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-04 Thread Marc Bevand
Marc Bevand gmail.com> writes: > > So in conclusion, my SBNSWAG (scientific but not so wild-ass guess) > is that the max I/O throughput when reading from all the disks on > 1 of their storage pod is about 1000MB/s. Correction: the SiI3132 are on x1 (not x2) links, so my guess as to the aggregate

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-04 Thread Marc Bevand
Bill Moore sun.com> writes: > > Moving on, modern high-capacity SATA drives are in the 100-120MB/s > range. Let's call it 125MB/s for easier math. A 5-port port multiplier > (PM) has 5 links to the drives, and 1 uplink. SATA-II speed is 3Gb/s, > which after all the framing overhead, can get yo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread David Magda
On Sep 2, 2009, at 19:45, Michael Shadle wrote: Probably due to the lack of port multiplier support. Or perhaps they run software for monitoring that only works on Linux. Said support was committed only two to three weeks ago: PSARC/2009/394 SATA Framework Port Multiplier Support 6422924 sa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread Michael Shadle
Probably due to the lack of port multiplier support. Or perhaps they run software for monitoring that only works on Linux. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Trevor Pretty wrote: Overall, the product is what it is. There is nothing wrong with it in the right situation

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread Trevor Pretty
Overall, the product is what it is. There is nothing wrong with it in the right situation although they have trimmed some corners that I wouldn't have trimmed in their place. However, comparing it to a NetAPP or an EMC is to grossly misrepresent the market. I don't think that is w

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread J.P. King
Unless you have two or three or nine of these things and you spread data around. For the $ 1M that they claim a petabyte from Sun costs, they're able to make nine of their pods. It is the claim of the cost from Sun that I am sceptical about. I admit that it will be more expensive, and I kno

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread David Magda
On Sep 2, 2009, at 15:14, Bill Moore wrote: And I'd re-iterate what myself and others have observed about SiI and silent data corruption over the years. Most of your data, most of the time, it would seem. Unless you have two or three or nine of these things and you spread data around. For t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread David Magda
On Sep 2, 2009, at 14:48, C. Bergström wrote: o Goebbels wrote: As some Sun folks pointed out 1) No redundancy at the power or networking side 2) Getting 2TB drives in a x4540 would make the numbers closer 3) Performance isn't going to be that great with their design but...they might not ne

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: Torrey McMahon wrote: 3) Performance isn't going to be that great with their design but...they might not need it. Would you be able to qualify this assertion? Thinking through it a bit, even if the disks are better than average and can

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread Brent Jones
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Roland Rambau wrote: > Jacob, > > Jacob Ritorto schrieb: >> >> Torrey McMahon wrote: >> >>> 3) Performance isn't going to be that great with their design but...they >>> might not need it. >> >> >> Would you be able to qualify this assertion?  Thinking through it a b

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread Roland Rambau
Jacob, Jacob Ritorto schrieb: Torrey McMahon wrote: 3) Performance isn't going to be that great with their design but...they might not need it. Would you be able to qualify this assertion? Thinking through it a bit, even if the disks are better than average and can achieve 1000Mb/s each,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread Bill Moore
On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 02:54:42PM -0400, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > Torrey McMahon wrote: > >> 3) Performance isn't going to be that great with their design >> but...they might not need it. > > > Would you be able to qualify this assertion? Thinking through it a bit, > even if the disks are better

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread Michael Shadle
IMHO it depends on the usage model. Mine is for home storage. A couple HD streams at most. 40mB/sec over a gigabit network switch is pretty good with me. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > Torrey McMahon wrote: > >> 3) Performance isn't going to be that great with their design

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread Jacob Ritorto
Torrey McMahon wrote: 3) Performance isn't going to be that great with their design but...they might not need it. Would you be able to qualify this assertion? Thinking through it a bit, even if the disks are better than average and can achieve 1000Mb/s each, each uplink from the multiplier

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread C. Bergström
Mario Goebbels wrote: As some Sun folks pointed out 1) No redundancy at the power or networking side 2) Getting 2TB drives in a x4540 would make the numbers closer 3) Performance isn't going to be that great with their design but...they might not need it. 4) Silicon Image chipsets. Their SATA

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread Mario Goebbels
As some Sun folks pointed out 1) No redundancy at the power or networking side 2) Getting 2TB drives in a x4540 would make the numbers closer 3) Performance isn't going to be that great with their design but...they might not need it. 4) Silicon Image chipsets. Their SATA controller chips used o

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
As some Sun folks pointed out 1) No redundancy at the power or networking side 2) Getting 2TB drives in a x4540 would make the numbers closer 3) Performance isn't going to be that great with their design but...they might not need it. On 9/2/2009 2:13 PM, Michael Shadle wrote: Yeah I wrote the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Petabytes on a budget - blog

2009-09-02 Thread Michael Shadle
Yeah I wrote them about it. I said they should sell them and even better pair it with their offsite backup service kind of like a massive appliance and service option. They're not selling them but did encourage me to just make a copy of it. It looks like the only questionable piece in it is