Re: (313) detroit new years stuff
Here's one which is more IDM than 313, BUT: snip For those of you in the Detroit area this new year's eve: Lusine Mr.Projectile Adam Johnson Miles Tilmann @Karl's Cabin in Plymouth, MI totally random, but should be fun... feel free to reply off-list for directions... chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I have directions if anyone needs them. I know nothing else about this and am not affiliated. jeff At 12:28 PM 12/30/2003, Stephen Burd wrote: what all is happening around here for nye?
(313) When I Snapped @ Blue Basement
Anyone have a tracklist for this? Thanks and Happy Holidays! jeff
Re: (313) Codebase covers New Order's Confusion
Haven't heard it, but if Tom is doing it I will Codebase is the shxt at Christmas. jeff At 12:34 PM 12/16/2003, you wrote: Check this out, folks. Faithful cover with some subtle changes, really well done. Andrew -- Okay, New Order fans. I decided to give away my cover of their song Confusion. Download it now before I get sued! http://www.x09music.com/~tom/lj/confusion.mp3 Feel free to share, trade, proliferate, and obliterate. Information wants to be free. Or so I'm told. --- Tom Butcher
(313) If anyone is interested
...I have a Thoughts of Phutura (axis 33), a Remixed on the 24th of July Dubs (platinum pressing),an Ugly Edits 2 (Theo) and a whole mess of other stuff up on ebay right now. At last look, those vinyls were around 5$.no reserves. This will be my only post related to an auction. Thanks. seller id = *jpklein*
Re: (313) Religion
At 08:46 PM 10/30/2003, Phonopsia wrote: - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:10 AM Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. Since I am on off topics but on topic, I read Carl Craig is a Lutheran, he was talking about not having been exposed to gospel when younger. Is there a Black Lutheran church? I looked at 'Detroit Lutheran Church' on the Web and couldn't find much. Or is it a mixed congregation in the Detroit Lutheran Church (es)? Does anyone know much about the US Lutheran church at all? The Lutheran church in the US is actually quite large and divided into different synods (Missouri, Wisconsin, Evangelical, Ministerium, etc.) which all have their various takes on core Christian doctrine; they have divided especially over how they view the Bible. Additionally, the question is more like ..US Lutheran ChurcheS as each individual congregation is going to embody their faith and practice differently. And even when you look at the doctrinal distinctives and differing sects, urban churches tend to break many of the rules which one might expect when one generalizes what kind of congregation might be found in one type of Lutheranism vs. another. What I mean by this is that those distinctives may not be as important/emphasized in some congregations as in others. Of course I cannot speak authoritatively about some sort of universal/general experience, but my black friends have told me that it is often the case in their experience that the church often has had a broader, more social function in their lives when growing up (and that is not to say it's less spiritual, but rather that it has had a wider community function in their lives ) than in what they have observed in suburban and whiter settings. Of course, it should be mentioned that these are people more or less around my age (late 40s) and that probably makes some difference. Not sure if this sheds any light, but there you have...well, something. :-) jeff
Re: (313) Villalobos - Alcachofa
At first the new Villalobos album seemed a bit bland to me, but with repeated listens and a newly descended Fall, the record has become new again. Great sounds and textures everywhere, and a woozy, melancholy vibe prevails. Definitely one of my favorites of the year of any genre. Anyone have any profound thoughts on this record? SV Waiting for this one in the mail still, but I'll second the recommendation for his Taka Taka mix. jeff np- Off Limits 2
(313) Rob Hood
For those waiting, the Rob Hood Private Pressing is now up for grabs @ the Peacefrog site jef
Re: (313) v phorms
At 05:44 PM 9/16/2003, Ryan wrote: and take a listen to this track, it is from ben sims under his new OZY alias. Maarten I'm almost certain that Ben Sims and Ozy are 2 entirely different people. While Ben does run the Native Sampler label, Ozy is just an artist featured on his label. Ozy has done some work in the past with Force Inc. (Tokei is the name of the album. Brilliant stuff if you're into minimal techno). -Ryan If I'm not mistaken, Ozy is a Thule artist who has done some work on Force Inc. The confusion lies in the fact that Sims has released some Ozy material on his label. jeff
(313) Jazzfest
http://www.detroitjazzfest.com/noFlash.asp#artist%20schedule
(313) Re: Online Record Buying (USA)
At 07:41 AM 8/29/2003, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: At 10:39 AM 8/29/2003 +, you wrote: Hello there, I'm trying to find a good (US based) online record-store which sells internationally and has MP3's of records. The ones I usually check are Groovetech Satellite. Does anyone know of any better ones on a 'house-tip' ?? www.groovedis.com is pretty friendly and they have SOME realaudio samples. ordering from them is not all that straightforward but they don't have an order minimum their straight techno selection is pretty thin, but they did special order something for me that they erroneously listed as in stock Actually Matt, Groovedis *will* tack on a surcharge if you don't order at least 25$ - unless you're a VIP member, which is a yearly cost of (I forget) 20-25$ (but I think it includes a percentage off per order as well as doing away with the 25$ minimum). jeff
(313) new Kraftwerk (copy-protected?)
Mine wasn't - it was an UK press. jeff
RE: (313) new Kraftwerk (copy-protected?)
At 09:46 AM 8/29/2003, you wrote: In the famous words of Basic Channel: 'Buy Vinyl' ;-) k -Original Message- From: The REAL Mxyzptlk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 4:43 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (313) new Kraftwerk (copy-protected?) Mine wasn't - it was an UK press. jeff Wonderful advice if your main listening venue isn't your car - but in this case it is. And the CD is *not* copy protected (as was reported), so maybe I'm missing the point (?). jeff
(313) Peacefrog website
How does one venture to buy on-line from there? Thx. jeff
(313) Pavel
If anyone's interested, I have a Pavel Kostiuk CD up for grabs on ebay. Seller id = *jpklein* . I know it's not easy to find (but it can be found at Groove dis out of Chi-town...for about 21$, which is what I paid and where I got it) and mine is up for 6.99 with no bids. jeff
Re: (313) Basic Reply
At 04:03 PM 8/16/2003, Hans Veneman wrote: The Basic Channel website (http://www.basicchannel.com/) features the logos of the various labels they ran. It also features a logo of Basic Reply. Does anybody know more about this? Cheers, Hans It's their new reggae/dub imprint. I know that Keith Hudson's Playing it Cool is out on it (at least). jeff
Re: (313) Philip Glass
Anyone able to give a rundown of key Glass works? Not a rundown, but here's something with usually falls through the cracks : Polyrock, his minimal rock project which sounded vaguely Talking Heads-ish (must have been very early 80s). I saw him in Ann Arbor about 8 years ago (performing the soundtrack for The Beauty and the Beast) and got to talk with him briefly; when I asked him if he had considered re-releasing the project, he came quite animated and enthusiastic about it. It was slightly funny; he had a gathering of sycophants who (by their facial responses) had initially regarded my question as some kind of faux pas and were surprised when he wanted to talk about it. Phillip seems to be about the music; his ears are open no matter the style. jeff
RE: (313) White Stripes
At 10:43 AM 8/14/2003, ian cheshire wrote: They remind me of the Cramps and I like them :) I saw them for 50 cents at the D.I.A. a few years back and I loved them - manic, very from the aorta of rock performance. Fun to see, fun to hear. I'm especially fond of The Big 3 Killed My Baby. Although the vox remind me a bit of Robert Plant, I find them un-annoying (unlike Plant so often is to me) and clever. jeff
RE: (313) Power outages
At 11:11 AM 8/15/2003, Robert Taylor wrote: Has this got anything to do with the massive overconsumption of energy the US is notorious for? ;-) - I would suspect that it has a lot to do with lack of reinvestment in the power grid by those raking in the profits of same - often goes hand -in-hand with corporate economic ethics. I would also suspect that end-users will foot the bill for the coming update of same, fueled by huge hue and cry after the finger pointing/smoke clears over where the problem originated. jeff
Re: (313) Norma Jean: Studio Playa?
At 08:13 PM 8/13/2003, James Hurlbut wrote: I picked up a 1979 Raydeo record and Norma Jean Bell is listed as a guest saxaphonist. Was she a studio musician? Can anyone point me to other older funk releases she's appeared on? thanks, Jamie Norma Jean used to play jazz bars in the Detroit area in the 70s doing this wild echoplexed saxaphone thing - amazing. Frank Zappa recruited her to work in his band for some time; she also played with Tommy Bolin and several other rock musicians. I'd have to think about it for a while to remember where she's popped up, but she's done studio work in several places. jeff
Re: (313) Norma Jean: Studio Playa?
Wow. One wouldn't think to find two Norma Jean Bells in a similar venue! Odd world. jeff At 03:29 AM 8/14/2003, Tom Churchill wrote: It's not the same Norma Jean Bell :) The interview in the Winter 2001 issue of Straight No Chaser lays all this out - the NJB of Pandamonium/KDJ/Peacefrog fame is *not* the same one who played with Tommy Bolin, Frank Zappa etc. - there are two of them. She didn't start playing in funk/RB bands until the late 80s. The interview in question is not on the SNC website, unfortunately, but I have it in front of me here... Cheers, Tom
Re: (313) new order.
At 11:26 PM 8/9/2003, Two divided by zero wrote: Maarten Baute wrote: And what new order albums should I buy as an introduction to the band? Personally, I could spin Fine Time (off of Technique) for a long time before I get sick of it. What an incredible track. jeff
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I tend to lump them with the whole batch of Mute things (Normal, Fad Gadget, DM, Robert Rental) form the late 70s/early 80s) which fall under the larger hand of Daniel Miller. It's hard to get past Miller's seminal influence status during that period, right alongside TG, Cab Volt, etc. I remember when Vince left DM and everyone thought they would fall to pieces; nobody mentions Speak and Spell when they think of Depeche anymore. Interesting shift in style! After Yaz split, Clarke had some pretty nice one-off singles under the name of The Assembly (paired with various vocalists) which bear tracking down. Weren't Depeche Mode and ABC among those who would fly to Detroit to pop in to the old Music Institute? jeff
RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
We hear too much the getting old theory of musical taste, but maybe whether people came to techno through an enjoyment of some type of industrial music also has a lot do with the direction of their musical tastes??? Please discuss. Sure. The old TG/EN/Cab Volt/Mute stuff certainly threads into techno - but bands like Cab Volt and even New Order (which after all evolved from Joy Division) had their flirtations with the whole NY Funk/proto-electro scene via Arthur Baker, John Robie, Benitez, etc...and it might be argued that the latter scene ties more into house. Looking back, the Durannies are quite marked up by the time period and feel awfully cheesy, but then again they did NOT seem that way when those first 12s rolled out. They were what was new and hot before they were mass-marketed. I listened to old school industrial and new wave pop (as well as most anything else I could get my hands on) and I like a good deal of what I hear these days. Also, people's tastes change as time goes on - I'm not sure how much weight one can place upon where one came from with regard to where one is going. Influences are always important, but any number of factors can influence progression or regression. I used to listen to Raw Power a lot (and I'm not opposed to slapping it on right now :-), but I'm not sure that has a lot of effect on what I like in electronic music. I think people have come to the table through a variety of paths, but it's tough at the end of the day to separate cleanly the tributaries which have flowed into the current ocean. I suppose I could have mixed in another metaphor, but I'll let the notion of using a body of water as a table suffice. :-) jeff
Re: (313) old house track heard on wdtr - words?
Found on the debut LP (self titled) along with Genius of Love. I think this is still in print. Essential for the period. My wife's mother (a retired elementary school music teacher) used to use it in class. Educational and funky. jeff Wordy Rappinghood by Tom Tom Club - band that Tina Weymouth formed excellent album, very rhythmic came out in 1981 it's got a little thing in there with a guy yelling James Brooon! Jmes Brown! MEK Hello, y'all. I was listening to WDTR's house show this afternoon on my way home and heard Al Ester drop this track that I'm looking for more information on. I'm assuming it's an old track, it's got a spoken-word/rap vocal where each line is words are...fill in the blank. Live bass, sounds like live timbales at points...
(313) UR Operatives update
The membership has been pulled back to beef up the perks - will re-launch at a later date. jeff
Re: (313) YMO/Sketch Show - Tronica
I don't have Tronica, but I bought Audio Sponge when it first came out...sounds like Hosono and Takahashi picking up right where they left off pre-Technodon (mid 80s technopop). Haruomi has the best licks - if Yukihiro is left to his own devices he veers off into sappy lounge stuff which can be tepid at best and just plain bad. Luckily Hosono is there to keep him on track for the most part (in Audio Sponge, at least). BTW, I think Ryuchi has joined Sketch Show onstage for a one-off or two. Say what you will; Sakamoto has those great neo-classical lines and Asian motifs, but Hosono has *always* been the future funk and the unsung powerhouse of YMO IMO. Together they were magic indeed - but I find Hosono's solo stuff more consistently interesting. Check Philharmonic and SFX for some great contextual fill-in behind Sketch Show. jeff At 05:00 PM 8/7/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just reading a review of Sketch Show's new release Tronica - anyone have a listen to this yet? the Wire calls it cutting edge electronica fused to pop literacy. There's some vocal and ambient sections and some remixes by Cornelius and there is a video (on the CD - not sure if there is a vinyl edition of this). Sketch Show is former Yellow Magic Orchestra members Haruomi Hosono and Yukihiro Takahashi - Ryuchi Sakamoto being the only YMO member not involved in this project did anyone catch them @ Sonar? MEK
Re: (313) Live Extracts
At 05:53 PM 7/27/2003, tuneintuition wrote: Recommending the new Persona release Stewart Walker - Live Extracts Great for a drive in the rain and can easily be used on the dance floor. Sorry, I think I might have snagged the last copy at Record Time - but maybe they just made it look that way. I'll second this - not exactly what I expected with that title (and having seen Stewart's live sets)...smoother, more Kompaktish than I might have thought. Good show. jeff
Re: (313) Carl Craig in Leeds
At 05:20 PM 7/28/2003, Phonopsia wrote: - Original Message - From: robin pinning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: Re: (313) Carl Craig in Leeds can anyone recommend any Talking Heads while i'm on? Several, actually - but it depends on which era/style you're looking for as they moved through several. I would have no trouble recommending Fear of Music, Remain in Light and Speaking in Tongues as they are mid-period and carry shades of all of their styles. jeff
Re: (313) What is Daniel Bell up to?
At 09:46 AM 7/22/2003, Trevor Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: Fabrizio Nahum [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is one of those musical artists which i am obssessed about but most of his releases are from the nineties. What is he up to these days? Nice DB track on Staedtizism 4(~scape) jeff
Re: (313) Which mail order shop stocks Deep Chord Records releases?
Record Time does mail order and usually has them in stock. Give a call to the Roseville shop, ask to do a mail order and let them know it will involve the dance room. jeff At 11:46 AM 7/17/2003, Collin Chen wrote: Hi all, May i know which US record shops stocks up Deep Chord Records releases? Regards, Collin Chen
RE: (313) Best lines to the DJ
I heard some electronic rmx of a black sabbath song forget wha it is, sweet leaf maybe? Somebody played (I think it was) a live version of War Pigs at Movement - was it Ayro? Can't recall. jeff
Re: (313) Blech (Warp 040)
The original Blech (Wap MC 40) is a cassette only release and is long OOP. The CD mentioned below is Blechsdottir (Blech II) and is a completely different animal. jeff http://www.warprecords.com/ography/release.php?cat=WARP44 i don;t know about running order difference On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Is Blech a cassette-only release?
RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London
At 04:17 PM 7/14/2003, Ralf Gill wrote: Just wondering whats the average age of an older clubber? Dunno. I'm 46, but I'm usually not able to BE out that late :-) (work + school, etc.) And if I was, it would be the overwhelming cigarette smoke WHICH would keep me away otherwise. I choose my venues with that in mind. jeff
RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London
Just for the record, my email program has taken to capitalizing words now and then when memory is dragged upon - the word which in my last email has no special significance. jeff
(313) Dan Bell
The track Dan Bell has on Staedtizism 4 is quite nice...is this a one-off thing (for ~scape ) or does he have a full length coming...anyone know? jeff
Re: (313) Theo Parrish - Eclectic Asthetic part II CD
At 09:24 PM 7/9/2003, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Hey Oh great, I got part 1 in Detroit and despite searching, there was no Part 2. ;) Can I ask, where did you get it? Cheers! Cyclone Record Time has these off and on. jeff
Re: (313) Tour de France 03 video
I just made my point with the man machine concept, which is a conventional way of interpreting technology at the time. Their music was not unconventional and abstract like say a Mortin Subotnick. I don't know your age or which particular era of Kraftwerk you're referencing (there is pre-Autobahn material), but just because it wasn't like Subotnick doesn't mean it wasn't unconventional. I was there. It was INDEED unconventional. There were but a very few bands which had any notoriety doing more than dabbling with electronic stuff back then - like Tangerine Dream and Nektar (remember them?) and NOBODY was doing what Kraftwerk was doing, which was quite unconventional whether you were taking the pulse of electronic music, rock music or pop music of the day. I would go as far as saying that there probably wouldn't be a 313 list (or it would have a different shape if there were one) had there been no Kraftwerk. We can speculate endlessly about what might or might not have happened in terms of someone else coming up with their sound - but nobody did and THEY accomplished it. And just because Juan wasn't into Kraftwerk (?) doesn't mean their influence (which is too large to gauge, really) hadn't seeped into the landscape sufficiently to be highly influential. Being my age, I can safely say that their influence is incredible. jeff
RE: (313) Tour de France 03 video
I think this was eloquently answered by JT just now Alex - something about their influence seeping into the collective unconcious (those latter two are my words, but I think - *think*) that's what JT meant. So we all have no need to exhume any argument about who did what first! ;-) Indeed - a laundry list could easily be provided of bands who milked what Kraftwerk did. Keep in mind when Autobahn was released. Even if you fast-fwd MANY years after that to the booty dance (Channel 62 anyone? The New Dance Show, e.g.) television shows in Detroit which often played what seemed like endless variations of Numbers, etc. or Mojo himself. New Wave (I hate that term!) was undeniably a big influence on many techno innovators and certainly Kraftwerk loomed large in that musical closet. Bowie, Eno, Byrne, etc. - who all went on to shape the more traditional rock/pop gardens. jeff
(313) 313 Weekend (slightly OT)
A few interesting looking events this weekend in Motor City - although neither are exactly 313-ish. Friday night Barry Andrews (XTC, Shriekback) does 2 sets (1st one cabaret piano, the second as his new act - the name of which I cannot recall, but it has the word stick in it :-) at The Buddah Bar on 8 Mile just east of Lahser (Detroit side of the street). There's also the Concert Of Colors which looks really cool - Natcha Atlas among many other diverse artists from all over the globe (and here) : http://www.accesscommunity.org/index.cfm?location=100subsectionid=91 jeff
RE: (313) Re: Thomas Dolby was Re: those moxie things
Or that his dad is *that* Professor Dolby (noise redux). And that he used to play keys in Lene Lovich's band and (I think) ex-Buggles (Video Killed the Radio Star) Bruce Wooley's Camera Club. jeff np- TD : Europa and the Pirate Twins Strange, didn't realize that his dad was *that* Dolby. Not sure if that's the case. If so, why did Dolby Labs conduct a long-running litigation on him for the use of his real surname, 'Dolby'? Virtually finished his career. My follow-up post clarified that I wasn't sure about his relationship to the name, but it was something Dolby himself stated or possibly it was an interviewer's statement. This would have been before the time his debut album was issued, so it's virtually impossible for me to recall exactly where I saw that - but I did see it. jeff
RE: (313) Re: Thomas Dolby was Re: those moxie things
well from that link his real name aint Dolby... It's one of his surnames. Something like Thomas Morgan Dolby Robertson. I'm too lazy to look it up. j
Re: (313) those moxie things
At 11:26 AM 6/25/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, that Akufen remix of the Thomas Dolby song about the submarine is REALLY great in my opinion. I might have to end a mix CD with it. The original has always been one of my favorite tunes - Dolby was always looked over as a one hit wonder with She Blinded Me with Science... Back in the day most of the people really into collecting that ilk would probably have said that ...Science was a bit past his peak - which was (imo) The Golden Age of Wireless. His single with Ryuchi Sakamato (Field Work) is also very good. jeff
(313) Re: Thomas Dolby was Re: those moxie things
- Dolby was always looked over as a one hit wonder with She Blinded Me with Science... Back in the day most of the people really into collecting that ilk would probably have said that ...Science was a bit past his peak - which was (imo) The Golden Age of Wireless. ***What people often forget about Thomas Dolby is that he produced and cowrote the first two albums for Whodoni, who have gone on to be sampled quite often in electronic music. Andrew Or that his dad is *that* Professor Dolby (noise redux). And that he used to play keys in Lene Lovich's band and (I think) ex-Buggles (Video Killed the Radio Star) Bruce Wooley's Camera Club. jeff np- TD : Europa and the Pirate Twins
Re: (313) Re: Thomas Dolby was Re: those moxie things
At 12:00 PM 6/25/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and Dolby's uncle (featured in a black and white photo on the CD cover) drowned in a British submarine on manoeuvres late in the Second World War - as noted at cdbaby.com. amazing this internet thing! ;) MEK AMG says his dad was an archaeologist (quite possible), but I *do* recall Dolby saying in an interview that his dad (or some relative) was indeed the creator of the Dolby redux system. I know he had one of the early wave machine synths and actually concentrated on production after his broke and he couldn't afford to get it fixed to do more tracks himself. jeff
Re: (313) dc-16 out now
If you can't find it elsewhere, Record Time should have these. I got mine from one of their bins at Movement nearly a month ago. jeff At 09:18 AM 6/24/2003, Michael Lees wrote: Sounds exciting http://www.deepchord.com/index2.html hiit seems that deepchord 016 is out now fab -- Mike
Re: (313) dc-15 cd (was: dc-16)
DC 15 was a limited release which was available only from the DEEPchord website - gone. Some of it was revamped material by Rod's partner. Maybe all of it was, can't recall. jeff At 10:19 AM 6/24/2003 what is the DC15 cd?
(313) FA
If anyone's interested, I have about 95 things up on ebay (all CD) - some this-listy, including the Andres, a Theo and a few others. Almost all electronic stuff. In my attempt to keep a cashflow during a temporary layoff, I'm uploading more than I usually do for the next several weeks. Low start bids, no reserves. This will be my only 313 post to that effect, so hate me only temporarily. :-) seller id = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. jeff
Re: (313) Wow.. Guess who is headlining at 24th August 'lost'?
(That said, personally I'd rather hear a certain female DJ who is closely associated with a certain person who likes the letter k and who has achieved instant Goddess status simply by wearing Joy Division t-shirts while spinning) Thanks - I was sure that was an old JD T-shirt she was wearing at Movement, but got distracted at the point when I was going to make my way up close to the stage a look closer. She didn't lose control, though ;-) jeff
RE: (313) and now - a cheeky question (2nd re-post)
wearing powdered wigs and lacy shirts and placing fake birthmarks over their lips. I was doing this WAY before it was cool. jeff
RE: (313) and now - a cheeky question (2nd re-post)
wearing powdered wigs and lacy shirts and placing fake birthmarks over their lips. At 10:36 AM 6/16/2003, you wrote: It's the new punk. Anyone have Malcolm McLaren's number? Nah - it's just another retread. Remember the New Romantics? :-) jeff
Re: (313) and now - a cheeky question (2nd re-post)
Nah - it's just another retread. Remember the New Romantics? :-) Let's not dis the New Romantics, now. How else would we have gotten Frequency 7? Or Atom and the Ants :-) jeff (Dirk isn't the only one wearing white sox)
Re: (313) Waveless DJing
I've always thought DJ's make too much of 'reacting to a crowd', when really it's a matter of having the right crowd for the assembled lineup. i definitely disagree... Whenever I see debates like this (to crowd or not to crowd) I think of an anecdote from my friend Dean who recalls the time that he DJ-ed before some band (at the time a name...Dead or Alive - as you might have guessed, this was a few decades ago). His DJ booth was up a ladder, way over the floor - which made it a drag to lug up the record case. He was tired of the gig (he had a residency there), tired of lugging the records and feeling spunky, so he decided to try something different. I should add here that Dean always was a bit off the beaten path - at this stage he was the only DJ I knew who specialized in (his own terms) 25 cent cha-cha records. He determined not to play anything he couldn't find en route that night. He stopped at a Salvation Army outlet and found the old Joe Tex I Gotcha and Deep Purple's Smoke on the Water 45s. Instead of playing the tape which Pete Burns *demanded* of him, Dean proceeded to play both of those songs (only) at varying speeds for the whole evening. I guess that lands on the former extreme of the spectrum :-). jeff ps BTW, this is the same Dean who owns the Buddha Bar on 8 mile. Still hilarious.
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin k
maybe he just kan't spell. :-) jeff At 01:33 PM 6/13/2003, you wrote: Nah, Rich's stole the use of the letter k from Aliester Crowley. magic = magick Jeff Mills copied Richie Hawtin's use of the letter k for his new label. = Alan Oldman also uses the letter k with his label Pure Sonik records. = the word is in German context and has symmetrical properties. The label name KMS works well using the letter k especially in caps, it's a nice short abbreviated word, the letter k is not being used as a clever substitution in a word. =
RE: (313) I could care less (was Hawtin or Mills...)
From my experience, it's usually just a sloppy use of language - like using the (non) word irregardless. jeff At 04:30 AM 6/2/2003, Robert Taylor wrote: Really? And I thought the Brits had the monopoly on sarcasm! -- Jonny McIntosh wrote: I could care less (or in the uk, I *couldn't* care less) Yeah, is this a cultural thing? Why do so many Americans say the opposite of what they mean on this? It's sarcasm.
Re: (313) Crazy sick
Put me on this list. jeff At 01:21 PM 5/30/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anya *too jet-lagged and nose-blocked to write more atm* Anybody else come back and immediately get sick as a dog? My wife and I are both fighting nasty cold/sore throats
Re: (313) busted parties
At 10:40 PM 5/30/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem isn't serving alcohol. the problem is that you cannot have none employees in a bar after 2:30am. even if there's not a drop of alcohol to be found, you're still breaking the law. Interesting bit o' history behind this...way back when this was put into play, the Big 3 (who, incidentally killed my baby :-) decided they didn't want their employees out bar hopping all night - makes for bad attendance on the assembly lines the next day. jeff (27 years on the line)
Re: (313) Made me laugh
At 10:45 PM 5/30/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone pointed this out to me. when you compare the amount of people in hart plaza compared o the amount of people who usually go to techno events, its safe to assume that what you have in detroit is 300,000 posers. In defense of others who get up at 4am for work and then go straight off to school a few nights a week and don't get home until 11pm (and are in their late 40s with sleep disorders to boot!) who may be in that number who do not regularly get out to techno events, I would say that's not a safe assumption. Some of us just can't be where it's happening. When we are, we do not become poseurs. jeff
Re: (313) Made me laugh
Which is why I was defending those in a similar situation as mine. jeff At 01:46 PM 5/31/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from he average age of attendants at hart plaza, i don't think that's a viable excuse for too mny people. On Sat, 31 May 2003, The REAL Mxyzptlk wrote: At 10:45 PM 5/30/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone pointed this out to me. when you compare the amount of people in hart plaza compared o the amount of people who usually go to techno events, its safe to assume that what you have in detroit is 300,000 posers. In defense of others who get up at 4am for work and then go straight off to school a few nights a week and don't get home until 11pm (and are in their late 40s with sleep disorders to boot!) who may be in that number who do not regularly get out to techno events, I would say that's not a safe assumption. Some of us just can't be where it's happening. When we are, we do not become poseurs. jeff
(313) Movement Question
Okay...*what* was the mix of Strings of Life which was dropped by both Francois K and whomever was spinning just before Norma Jean Bell? From what I have gathered thus far, it's a white label which was out last year sometime. Can anyone else supply more clues? I know there was one called Bring the Drama by Strings which fits the format and time period. Might that be it? Thx. jeff
Re: (313) Crazy
At 05:39 AM 5/30/2003, Martin wrote: What gives with this list? Juan can't mix, Mills let us all down, so did Richie and so on... Anyone who was really disappointed could always ask for a refund. :-) jeff
Re: (313) Movement '03
At 01:04 AM 5/27/2003, Fred Heutte wrote: It's all over now except for the shouting :) The good news is, it was a great festival. The bad news is -- hmm, I can't really think of anything. Agreed on all points - with a few more added. Loved hearing Aril Tony (and co.) jazz up the live Groove La Chord. Akufen was hot; luckily he started early and Francois K. started late - quite a dilemma, bouncing between the latter two the The Three Chairs! Mike Dykehouse is hilarious and incredibly talented. Clark, Carlos and Mike Geiger all opened the fest with beautiful and well placed sets. Magda - wow. The Detroit Experiment was hot - but it was SO crowded over there for it. And everything Fred said was spot-on. I wish I could have seen the Thinkbox set...my wife and I had to skip out for a few hours to a previous comittment. As I sit here and peck this out, more and more comes back to me. It was just a bang up weekend. A good chunk of what made it so cool was meeting so many people I don't see often and putting faces on so many which I usually know from email text. I continue to be astounded that this is a free event and one which I can get to...most of the things I want to see are way past my bedtime (including the afterparties :-( . This makes up for what I normally miss. It's such a beautiful thing to take all of this in under the Detroit skyline. Surreal. jeff
RE: (313) Homelands Warning
At 10:09 AM 5/23/2003, Kent williams wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2003, Robert Taylor wrote: Like doggy biscuits? heh, that would be choice -- fill your pockets with strips of bacon. Albeit somewhat messy. jeff
(313) Codebase
Anyone checked this out yet? Brand new on Force Inc...nice, punchy electro-based stuff moving across housey techno terrain by Hyperreal's own Tom Butcher. jeff
RE: (313) re: Peven Everett et al
*Alder and Elias, know nothing about them but if we talk about Jesika Elius and Justin Alder aka Alder and Elius, they put out something on Skam rec (Skam Rec. released remember Mask 100-200-300-400-500..) I could say they do electronic music a la Board of Canada. They have a few things out on Skam...one being Parental Guidance (full length) and the Unriddled ep. I think there is more. They used to call themselves Dequindre Caniff before Jesikka and Justin signed to Skam (late 90s). Once in a while you can still find one of their cdrs in a used bin. I'd call them IDM with a zany sexual twist - nothing like Boards of Canada, really. I think they still live in Michigan, but I could be wrong. jeff
Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit
Rochester...Northern (slightly east) suburb. jeff At 10:43 AM 5/4/2003, you wrote: This is an left of centre question, but been listening to Madonna's latest. Madonna to me is still a Detroit girl - posh UK accent aside. But I wondered, where exactly was she from in Detroit?
Re: (313) whats going on in detroit tonight
Jan Jelinek + Thomas Fehlmann @ Detroit Art Space. jeff At 06:26 PM 4/26/2003, [-[-]-[]-[|]-] wrote: ? thanks,
(313) I haven't posted here for a while, so...
Anyone heard the new Warmdesk (Guero Variations) or Norken (Blue Room: Remodeled) releases? Very nice, warm, melodic groovers with IDM-meets-smooth Detroit sensibilities. Both keepers imo. jeff
(313) Re: [idm] Very Rare Film: Universe Techno
Anyone seen this? Anybody have any additional info at all on this? Thx. jeff Very Rare Film: Universe Techno [16mm Documentry-Film] | 1996 | 63 Mins Duration Available Now ORDER NOW ! VHS: PAL | SECAM | NTSC: Duration: 63 Mins. Filmed in 1996 Berlin London Tokyo Sheffield Leeds Detroit and more.. ESSENTIAL FOR ANYONE INTERESTED IN THE EVOLUTION OF OUR MUSIC Interviews Featuring: Berlin: Blake Baxter-Sven Vath-Love Parade-Record Stores-Clublife-Interviews-and more Detroit: Derrick May-Kevin Saunderson-A VERY rare interview with Mad Mike -Underground Resistance-Somewhere in Detroit- London-UK: Aphex-LFO-Mark Bell (He waters his plants whilist remixing Bjork.. -Warp Records-Autechre In discussion about love of Detroit Techno-Orbital-Underworld Backstage and offstage-Underdog Parties and much more.. Tokyo_Ken Ishii-Tokyo Techno Scene..
Re: (313) Mike huckaby releases...Re: (313) [Fwd: ULR FUTURE SOUND E.PTRUE HISTORY???]
...he also has a very nice techno track on the FEROX adventures of techno soul volume 1 hope that helps Last time I talked to Mike he was talking about re-releasing that track from Adventures in Techno Soul. I actually got him a copy of it so he could do so - the one he had wasn't mastered. jeff
Re: (313) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
At 05:05 PM 2/12/2003, you wrote: anybody got any good recipes? Yes. jeff
Re: (313) CC Workout CD
The speculation on that is that it was indeed planned to focus on the flow/mix of songs. But what do I knw? jeff At 07:52 AM 1/29/2003, Fabrizio Nahum wrote: hi, i recently got the workout mix cds and to my shock/horror discovered it to be one endless track instead of being split into individual tracks. Needless to say listening to cds can be a little annyoing if all you wanna do is listen to track 8 and 12. i this a mastering mistake or was it planned? ciao fab.
RE: (313) Japanese electronic artists
Rei Harakami is always fun. jeff
RE: (313) Japanese electronic artists
At 07:51 AM 1/11/2003, Robert Taylor wrote: I'm not sure if I would call him fun! A pal of mine played me his Opaque CD (I think that's what it's called) when I was in a rather addled state of mind and I had to take it off! Very abstract - possibly too abstract for someone as shallow as myself. Subject: RE: (313) Japanese electronic artists --- Rei Harakami is always fun. Well then, how about Yoshinori Sunahara? Denki Groove is a hoot, albeit a manic hoot. (try Voxxx) Ryuchi Sakamoto started a label called Progressive Form not too long ago which may be interesting (dunno about 313ish, though) There was someone Japanese on Ferox as well, but I can't recall the name at the moment. jeff
RE: (313) ron hardy track id
Hell, Pink Floyd sings under a giant disco ball now. Actually, Floyd used them at a time when they weren't called that, I think. Seems like they had one for the Meddle tour. How's that for my parents' record collection? Whoops - that was MY record collection. jeff np- Fearless
Re: (313) Desperately Seeking...
At 08:54 AM 1/4/2003, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Has anyone seen any of the following, after hunting high and low, I am beginning they don't exist: Titonton Duvante - Selections For Intercourse - ON CD (have been looking for this since its release) This exists. I just sold my copy (funding the holidays) on ebay. jeff
Re: (313) Desperately Seeking 2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.skimo.com/ At 09:01 AM 1/4/2003, you wrote: While I am at it, where can I get the Detroit Beatdown compilation from - online? I have tried a few sites without luck.
Re: (313) error?
At 11:40 AM 12/30/2002, Maarten Baute wrote: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Shawn_Rudiman on this page, there says that shawn rudiman = shake shakir.. this is not true right? I remember shawn rudiman being a white american. Cheers, Maarten Anthony Shakir = Shake...at least I *think* that's his name. jeff
Re: (313) Bent Crayon
Most of the time I phone John when I want to order from him...it seems like website databases are never up to speed, so I find that it's best to give a call. I don't think John would ship COD unless he knew you awfully well. jef At 07:14 PM 12/16/2002, Dennis DeSantis wrote: Anyone here had any experiences ordering vinyl from the Bent Crayon website? My girlfriend tried this yesterday and after selecting the merchandise she wanted and entering her address, she was told that the shipment was on its way - but she never entered any credit card info! Has anyone else had this experience? Don't tell me they ship COD...
Re: (313) YMO forever
A So I wouldn't write off AoN or Yello or Tangerine Dream or anybody else as sounding permanently dated and more novel than truly clever. Well alright, maybe YMO... :) == Those are fighting words. If you're one of the unfortunates who've not experienced the glory of YMO's greatness, I suggest you check out ebay and get a copy of their hurrah concert DVD. It's transcendental. Chaos Panic Intrumental is the happiest song ever! I'll drop in my .02 here. I would say it depends on which LPs you're talking about. I think Technodelic in particular (as well as BGM and Technodon - do you think Technodon sounds dated??!!!) stand the test of time very well indeed. Not to mention the huge influence Hosono and Sakamoto have had in general on electronic music. Speaking of the devils, Sketch Show (Takahashi and Hosono project) has recently been joined onstage by Ryuchi and a few YMO were performed. jeff
Re: (313) Re: Cubik
At 10:10 PM 12/15/2002, you wrote: For sampling I still revere Looks Like We're Shy Own Horse by Colourbox, the best spaghetti western dub tune of all time. Also love the samples in the acid house era of PTV (water, that's what I'm talking about, water; now just a cotton-pickin' minute!, and the Bogart samples from Key Largo). Things were a lot looser then and some people could nick samples from famous movies and put them on vinyl :) fred Oh yeah. Give 'em Enough Whiskey from the s/t LP - heck, the whole record is superb. I used to love sitting between the speakers for Edit the Dragon...like a sexual climax floating into the anthem-like Arena II. jeff
Re: (313) record industry (technology)
At 04:00 PM 12/16/2002, techno wrote: In the future people are going to be able to purchase 16 it and higher tracks directly from artist, record label web sites on a secure server. Record stores and distributors will still be around but mostly for exclusive, specialty products. Or else the luddites will arise, smash everything and we'll be jamming in skiffle groups. jeff (still waiting for my jet-pack :-)
Re: Fwd: Re: (313) Splinterfaction, Art Forrest, etc.
You can get it through Rushour as well. jeff At 03:33 AM 11/26/2002, - BT - wrote: I started looking for this a couple of weeks ago after checking my to look out for list and finding a note from Marsel a while back talkiing about it. I found it @ http://www.forcedexposure.comwww.forcedexposure.com and ordered it last week. I got a confirmation note saying it was on route to me. I couldnt find it in the UK. Cheers BT ?xml:namespace prefix = mailto / Where are you finding this Soul In Motion comp? I've been looking for a while, but no dice. It's not distributed by Goya, is it? Nothing doing on their site. I'm really interested to hear this Art Forrest track. Tristan =
Re: (313) is it just me or is something off here?
Looks like another snatched domain. jeff At 04:30 PM 11/26/2002, Rob Theakston wrote: http://www.soundsignature.net/ wasn't this theo's old label website?
Re: (313) ugly edits
FE has #2 - or at least they had it. They're out of 3. S://kimo *might* have 2 3 and atomheart music (in Montreal or Toronto - can't recall which) had 1 and might have all 3. I know someone from there is on the list, so we may hear definitively. I got my #1 from Vibes a long time ago, but Wilhite may just have some of them around. jeff At 07:42 PM 11/15/2002, you wrote: while its being brought up, where are the represses avaliable again? are they still in stock? tom
Re: (313) Red Planet compilation
I guess that depends on where you're looking, but I see it often - so I assume it is. jeff At 06:15 AM 11/16/2002, Erik Jälevik wrote: Sorry if this is a FAQ (I'm new), but is the Red Planet CD compilation that came out in 99 readily available? Thanks.
Re: (313) Here We Go Again
At 08:39 AM 11/13/2002, Rob Theakston wrote: Picked up the Mahogani 12 (which is pure Kenny all the way through) AND the new Theo Parrish Mix CD Contemporhythms. Anyone heard this yet? It's probably my favorite of the bunch, tying with Live in Detroit '99. Yes...I grabbed this at Record Time last week. Great stuff.
Re: FW: (313) 8-Mile - Techno on the radio
At 08:51 AM 11/10/2002, logic7 wrote: Last time I heard it all over the radio in tha D was about '89. The Wizard and Mojo both played techno, 96.3 had a house/techno show right around 1pm or so, and 107.5 has a couple of DJ's that played it. At some point in 89, that came to a near halt. By 91, Techno and House were all but completely forced into friday and saturday mix shows (Gary Chandler, Charles Henderson, etc...) I guess my definition of all over is different than some; I recall those days as well, but even then didn't feel that was all over. Still, it's certainly more than what I remember since. jeff
Re: (313) 8-Mile
Well, it has been here and there (e.g., Deep Space, old sets by The Wizard and at sundry places on the dial, usually in late-night slots), but it certainly has NOT ever been all over the radio. That's a good chunk of the reason behind the mystery of techno being an international phenomenon yet often an enigma to Detroiters. jeff At 08:50 AM 11/9/2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: techno has never been all over Detroit radio it used to be on 88.7 at midnight or so when motor was braodcasting live but that's about it On Sat, 09 Nov 2002, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I have an interview CD from Universal Music and he elaborates and says he never liked techno, and remembers it all over Detroit radio, etc,
Re: (313) 8-Mile
At 10:30 AM 11/9/2002, sean deason wrote: also: one notable scene in 8Mile is filmed in the alleyway behind the Transmat offices in Eastern Market (locals some of you will recognize The Atlas building from numerous loft parties down there). Speaking of Transmat, any word on Time:Space 2? And is there a US source for C2's Workout? Thx. jeff
Re: (313) Ferox: Adventures (?) In Techno Soul
a1 Too Funk - Venus Fly Trap (Derrick Carter Remix) a2 Paul Hannah - Wake Up To The Source (Russ Gabriel Remix) b1 Naughty And Tolis - Lost Point (Claude Young / Russ Gabriel Remix) b2 Too Funk - Storm The Funk (Mark Broom Remix) c1 Precession - Sandcastle (Mike Huckaby Remix) c2 Synchrojack - End Of The Road (Kenny Dixon Jr Remix) d1 Russ Gabriel - Galapagos Theory (Steve Paton Remix d2 Russ Gabriel - Origin Of Species (Carl Craig Remix) i always play the two c-side tracks, the mike huckaby tarck is worth the price of the whole thing on it's own (think minimal like dbx, basic channel that kinda thing)... I was talking to Mike last week and apparently that track may be reissued. Keep your eyes peeled. jeff
Re: (313) Ferox: Adventures (?) In Techno Soul
FYI. These can be found at Uwe Brinkmann's [EMAIL PROTECTED] site in Germany for a measly 12 EU - brand new and unplayed. Don't know how many he has left, so I would advise grabbing one if you wish. Uwe is as trustworthy as they come (I've done *many* deals with him), just give him a day or two to get back to you via email. The postage from Germany is NOT cheap, but then again, you can't just grab these anywhere. Telll him I said hi. :-) http://www.cheapo.de/MAILORD_T_H_D.htm(scroll down the page about 1/2 way) jeff i always play the two c-side tracks, the mike huckaby tarck is worth the price of the whole thing on it's own (think minimal like dbx, basic channel that kinda thing)... I always play A2 (beautiful) or B2, myself, but what impresses me about this record is how good almost every damn track is, and how that may not hit you immediately. I would call it an essentail 4 sure, especially at that price.
Re: (313) All Ugly Edits in stock
At 03:09 PM 11/7/2002, Andy Mitchell wrote: I thought that some of you might be interested to know that Forced Exposure (http://www.forcedexposure.com) listed Ugly Edits 1, 2 and 3 in their restocks this week. They're selling at US$18 a pop, which is apparently what they've been retailing at all along. I see 2 3, but no # 1... jeff
Re: (313) to move or not to move.
A However, people are completely entitled to react in whatever way they feel appropriate, as long as it doesn't involve their elbows digging in my ribs ;) Suddenly memories of Bookies Club 870 come flooding back from the late 70s jeff
(313) Gemixt 2
Anyone else heard this (on Treibstoff)? I'm just into track 2 and it's pretty nice stuff. Deep, not quite microhouse (too melodic) with some BC overtones here and there (but too layered to be BC). If you want a nice mix, here it is. jeff
(313) another corker
John Thomas Blackstage Re-Works (logistic). Mixes by Octave One, Rolando, DBX, Losoul, Tejada as well as Thomas Cabanne. Quite nice. jeff
Re: (313) 100 BEST DJ IN THE WORLD (Mills)
While I respect your opinion and understand that your comments are made in the context of this discussion (and also that dance music is ostensibly made for dancing), I have to say that I find the notion that someone gets to say how *I* need to react to something else in the sense that I can be marginalized when I don't is reductionistic and at least as problematic as a person who doesn't respond in the way dictated by whomever. I don't dance and I doubt I ever will; perhaps it's childhood trauma or an ill formed sense of self - whatever. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy the music nor does it mean I have to be saddled with restructuring a performative context or bumming out a DJ. It would seem like the fact that I haven't left the venue should say something. In an age where all kinds of criticism (literary, etc.) has freed art from static notions tied with the artist, I find it interesting that the monolithic notion of must-dancing still rules. I do understand the need for it and I understand how it creates a necessary symbiosis - but why does *everyone* need to be dancing in order for them to enjoy and appreciate something? We aren't all dancers, we aren't all as comfortable with dancing as each other. As a qualifier, I am not saying that any behavior or reaction to art is equally appropriate, nor am I saying there is no tie between art and artist. I just find it a bit tyrannical and quixotic to dictate behavior to a set. Again, my comments are not directed to this particular post (as I can see the connection you are making vis a vis the trend), but rather towards the notion that seems to underlie it : if I don't dance, I am unappreciative and some kind of pariah. If it's really about the music OR the mix, then I should be left to appreciate it in a way which is genuine to myself and doesn't shipwreck someone else's enjoyment. .02. jeff At 08:09 AM 11/4/2002, Toby Frith wrote: This is somewhat of a double-edged sword I think. In one respect, people go to see a DJ like Mills so they can dance. In the other respect, they go to watch his craft, which then takes the DJ out of his normal context and into that of an artist, because you are viewing him/her rather than interacting. (another argument which I'm not going to pontificate on here) So you get one half of the audience dancing and the other just watching. This has been, IMHO, the downfall of techno turntablism and the like in recent years. Too much watching, not enough dancing. I went to see Mills in Zurich a year ago and there was far too much of the latter going on. You could see him actually looking rather annoyed as one absolute classic after another (Final Frontier, Magnese) was being dropped only to see a leaden-footed and mute reaction from the crowd. How must a DJ feel when they are faced by banks of motionless people looking at them spin some records?
Re: (313) 100 BEST DJ IN THE WORLD (Mills)
I can't really articulate what I want to say, because it will mean going into that whole artist/DJ argument which I can't be arsed with. Understood - but what needs to be said here is that there is artifice involved in any performance - and being a DJ of any and every ilk still involves artifice...it's just a different kind/kinds. Some of them are simply more transparent than others. The trouble with this whole issue is the tendency to answer complex questions with simple solutions, whether it be the analysis of the DJ/artist, the crowd or the individuals in the crowd rather than recognizing either the vast blend of factors going into the pot to make the stew. IMO it's the same kind of reductionist simplicity which denies a legitimate variety of response (e.g.,not taking into account that different people represent differently). jeff (who really does do more than post ebay links :-)
RE: (313) 100 BEST DJ IN THE WORLD (Mills)
At 09:37 AM 11/4/2002, Robert Taylor wrote: F*** ART, LET'S DANCE. I didn't get to the end of that piece I almost fell asleep trying to get to grips with its faux-intellectual weightiness. Don't be so pretentious ferchrisakes it's dance music! Thanks for making my case for me. jeff
RE: (313) 100 BEST DJ IN THE WORLD (Mills)
At 09:55 AM 11/4/2002, you wrote: Quite the opposite, fella, you've just outed yourself as a pompous fool who can't pass a day without pondering the significance of his own belly-button and reaching for the thesaurus. Or else you have doubly-demonstrated my case and your own insecurity. Go one back to the nap you were taking. You'll wake up when the hustle-line tramps over you. Let's be courteous - if you insist on a further show of dramatic irony, take it offlist. jeff
Re: (313) At les
I believe it also came up in the Mr. C X-Mix CD. jeff At 06:30 PM 10/23/2002, you wrote: Probably my favorite c craig cut.. Did it get released on anything other than virtualsex lp Ie 12
