Re: Collections and Entity Selections Cheat Sheets

[Tilman Haerdle via 4D_Tech]

Thank you, that ist really cool and to the point!

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Am 30.04.2019 um 22:48 schrieb Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech 
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I’ve been using collections and entity selections more lately and notice I 
spend a lot of time in the docs trying to remember what function does what. 
Some of them aren’t named very intuitively (at least to me). And I keep 
forgetting which ones return a deep or shallow copy or use a query string or a 
method. So I made a couple of cheat sheets that organize the functions in a way 
that makes sense to me. Makes it a lot faster to find the function I’m after 
for a certain situation.

Anyway, perhaps they will be helpful to some of you as well. You can find the 
PDFs here:



I’m relatively new to these functions, so if my understanding needs to be 
corrected somewhere, please let me know!

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Aetna, AB Canada
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Re: Converting _O_PLATFORM PROPERTIES to Get system info

[Tilman Haerdle via 4D_Tech]

Drew,

we recently switched to Get system info.

Stating the obvious first, call this command once and once only on startup as 
it can take more than a second to collect all information, especially on 
Windows systems.

Next, yes you have to adapt your code in order to make iit work with Get system 
info. But then again that's something you need to do once and the information 
provided is far more precise than ever before. If you have many occurrences of 
code that checks for platform specific information it definiitely makes sense 
to wrap that in your own access methods.

We assign the information we need at startup to a systemwide used Shared Object 
which is robust enough for more changes further down the road.

Hope this helps,
Tilman

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Am 11.12.2018 um 14:49 schrieb Drew Waddell via 4D_Tech 
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Is anyone using _O_PLATFORM PROPERTIES?  How do you change your code that used 
the old version to the new Get system info?  The osVersion contains far more 
data than the previous command and I am afraid striping information off would 
just be prone to errors.

Thanks,
Drew
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Re: Off topic: small office laser printer Mac OS

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Check for offerings from Brother, like the HL-3152 CDW. Cheap to buy, cheap 
toner, reliable, AirPrint compatible

Cheers,
Tilman

> Am 17.09.2018 um 13:09 schrieb Jim Dorrance via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:
> 
> I need to buy a new color laser printer , either w-fi or ethernet,
> that works without hassle with OS X. Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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> energy and experience to their team, please let me know. I have
> experience in many areas. Reasonable rates. Remote or Paris only.
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Re: v17 ready for prime time?

[Tilman Haerdle via 4D_Tech]

We use v17 on a new project and didn't run into any issues at all. On the 
contrary, it is super stable and very reliable. Especially the ORDA stuff works 
amazingly well.

Cheers,
Tilman Haerdle
extragroup GmbH

> Am 16.07.2018 um 23:05 schrieb steve simpson via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:
> 
> I see that a lot of you are using v17, doing active development with it,
> testing it out with current projects, etc. I don't normally move production
> projects into a new version until the xx.2 or xx.3 iterations, but am
> wondering if some of you who are actually using v17 in production could
> chime in with your opinion as to whether it is safe to move straight from
> v15.5 to v17 now, or best to move first to v16 and wait for a couple more
> updates to v17. Is it ready?
> 
> -
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> ​Cimarron Software​
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Re: Application Metrics

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We track certain events and send information about them an anonymized to our 
server. 

We focus on functions that are candidates for removal or functions where we 
would like to know how heavily they are being used.

We also track, when users update our software and when they update their 
licenses.

The application our users are using is the same we use inhouse so we basically 
added some features that are available only internally.

We use 4DACTION to send JSON to our server.

We use a table with some metadata and an object field that contains all the 
event-specific information. This way, we never need to modify the design of the 
tracking table.

We also locally store the event information in our user's database to give full 
transparency on what we transfer to our server.

Anonymity is key - we do not transfer any personal data without our user's 
consent.

Cheers,
Tilman

> Am 03.07.2018 um 20:55 schrieb Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:
> 
> I just learned that Facebook is getting rid of a few apps, partially based on 
> low usage. So, in your 4D applications are you tracking usage levels of any 
> kind? I suppose it would be useful to know what features are heavily used and 
> which are almost never used. What metrics does your system collect that 
> you’ve found useful?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: The Compiler is better in 16R

[Tilman Haerdle via 4D_Tech]

The compiler in 16R6 (not earlier) also finds issues like these:

c_longint($var;) // one semicolon too much

or these

case of
:($fileptr=((->file))) // too many brackets or simply put one set of brackets 
is not necessary
end case


So yes, this is an advantage as the code gets more correct. Not that this 
caused any errors previously but anyway it makes me feel better.

Cheers,
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Am 07.04.2018 um 22:20 schrieb Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:

So hot from the Summit I'm working with 16R and 17beta. I'm diving into
collections in a big way and have to say this is really, really cool.

But something I just noticed is how much better the compiler is in 16R. I
converted a large project to 16R to see how it works. One of the first
things I noticed were a number of issues flagged by the compiler that
haven't been flagged before. Curious, I thought. Several of the issues
looked like the conversion process may have corrupted the code since they
were obvious and never flagged before. For instance this line:

C_TEXT($procName)Partner_get_formInfo


That's a variable declaration followed by a method. No way that wasn't
caught before I thought.

I periodically dump text versions of methods from this database so I've got
copies to go back to. I found a copy of that method from 2015 with that
exact line of code in it which as been running since at least that time.

It wasn't all compiler declarations either. Some were simple grammatical
errors in a query string:

QUERY([PARTNERS]; & ; [PARTNERS]name_last=;$lastName;*)


Again, it's been there for years but the 16R compiler caught it. ​

I don't know what the overall impact of this means but it's a benefit for
me. ​

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Re: Fixed: Re: v16 List Box Set Enterable not working?

[Tilman Haerdle via 4D_Tech]

The other thing that would need some clarification is the alternativ methode to 
prevent a single cell from editing: The event On Before Data Entry.

There are several ways to reach a cell, either by tabbing or by clicking. What 
I'm struggling with is how to determine which cell needs to be edited instead 
of the blocked cell. Clicking more or less should lead to nothing, of course 
any indication that the individual cell is locked would be nice. But then when 
tabbing we can reach the cell from two directions which makes things more 
complicated. This is manageable through keeping tabs on which cell the user 
edited last but still imagining doing that work manually seems a bit off since 
it is rather easy for 4D to provide something like a "next cell" information 
given the tab order the cells are in and whether the user tabbed or 
shift-tabbed into a locked cell.

Tilman

Am 23.01.2018 um 04:30 schrieb Lloyd SIgler via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:

Okay, it works as expected when you make area ‘Enterable’ in Property List. No 
requirement  to to put it in the  “On Before Data Entry”.

Evidently, v14 allowed overriding that setting in code, which I personally 
prefer since it eliminates the need to add code to make it unenterable.

Lloyd


On Jan 22, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Lloyd Sigler via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

I will try that approach, but seems that the code 'should' work since the row 
and column are specified. Makes cleaner code to deal with it all in one place, 
in this case I have a boolean that gets ‘checked’ if we are paying an invoice, 
and it then ‘unlocks’  the ‘amount’ in that row and puts cursor there to edit 
the amount being paid on the open invoice.

Lloyd Sigler
4...@siglergroup.com




On Jan 22, 2018, at 8:30 AM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
wrote:

The link Miyako included to the section on Managing Entry does actually
talk about this. (I confess I hadn't read it very carefully before now
myself.)

You use OBJECT SET ENTERABLE to manage the enterability of the 'object'
which is the listbox column.
To control the enterability of an individual cell you use the On Before
Data Entry form event.

It may seem a bit odd to have an object method return a value but that's
how it works.


Kirk Brooks
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On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Jim Crate via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
wrote:

On Jan 21, 2018, at 10:41 PM, 4d--- via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

The following works fine in v14, but in v16 doesn’t work. Is this a
known issue??

OBJECT SET ENTERABLE(ar_invBalance{$row};True)
EDIT ITEM(ar_invBalance;$row)

I tried EDIT ITEM in v16 last week and it didn’t work for me either.

Jim Crate

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Re: 4D Write Pro Sample DB on YouTube

[Tilman Haerdle via 4D_Tech]

Hello Paul,

who is "we"?

No offense, many people surely prefer unchanged appearances over new looks one 
might have to get used to, especially if they require additional layout 
adaptations. I assume there is a sizable group of people who prefer a new 
appearance for many other reasons.

Life is really easier if you start to understand and even appreciate other 
people's ideas and approaches.

Please remark that I also didn't speak of "old, tiny, unclickable, ugly" icons 
for the old toolbar. No need to judge, neither set of UIs.

Best regards,
Tilman
> Am 13.12.2017 um 10:37 schrieb Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:
> 
> I appreciate that 4d has got round to providing us with a tool bar. Can
> somebody please tell the designers who seem to rule the roost that we dont
> need great big icons and clunky fonts. What is the obsession ? Please can we
> have something like the original 4d write style.
> Thanks
> Paul
> 
> 
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Re: Wiki software: Confluence

[Tilman Haerdle via 4D_Tech]

Jeffrey,

you're free to have your opinion. Let's put it that way: in our use case, Jira 
is the perfect tool for the job and it significantly improved our productivity 
and the quality of our deliverables.

YMMV and so I guess with those tools it's just like with cameras: There are 
Canon enthusiasts, there are Nikon enthusiasts, there are Fuji enthusiasts, 
whatever. The human being behind the lens makes the picture.

That being said, I fully trust Win32API even if you didn't use Jira to manage 
its development. :-)

Tilman
> Am 13.07.2017 um 15:22 schrieb Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:
> 
> Jira sucks.
> 
> --
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> jeffrey.k...@gmail.com
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 5:26 AM, David Adams via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> ...Wow, thanks for all of the information about the features of Confluence
>> and Jira. I'm new to them, so pretty much everything you mentioned is new
>> to me.
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Re: Wiki software: Confluence

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David,

we at extragroup use Confluence for several years now and apart from 
intermittent glitches we are very happy with it. It's our go to product for 
internal and external documentation. We also use it to prepare meetings, do 
brainstorming in a team and many other things.

We love the excellent full text search, the ability to control access rights by 
user and its ease of use. It's great you can fav pages, comment, or watch 
changes.

One of the big pluses for all the people who still need to distribute PDF-based 
documents is that you can export complete spaces (a confluence wiki can consist 
of several distinct sub wikis called spaces) as one big PDF dcoument with 
pictures and all.

The manual of our 4D-based product profacto is published in Confluence: 
http://profacto.extragroup.de:8090/display/handbuch/Module
The hierarchical sidebar makes it really easy to navigate content the user is 
roughly familiar with.

In addition, we use JIRA. The Kanban view allows us to track our issues from 
creation to release. Since we use JIRA consequently and track every improvement 
and the rare :-) bug in profacto, product quality has dramatically improved.

Tilman


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Am 13.07.2017 um 03:55 schrieb David Adams via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:

I've tried a few different wiki packages down the years, sometimes setting
them up from scratch and sometimes using one someone else configured. At
the moment I'm using Atlassian's Confluence as set up by someone else.

It's great.

As I'm working along, figuring things out I can put down some notes to
refer back to. If I have to figure out some kind of algorithm that's new to
me (or long forgotten), I can write it up for others in a team setting.
(I've been doing a bunch of interval math lately which I thought I hated. I
don't hate it, I just didn't know where to look for the right information.)

I understand that a lot of people don't like writing and that it's a chore.
As I just heard it put from someone (in voice mail)

"Because I hate writing. Period."

Confluence (or similar) isn't the product for people in this camp ;-) But
if you do find it helpful to write things down in a place that you can find
them latter, I'm really pleased with Confluence.

A couple of notes:
* There are only a handful of styles and formatting options. A bit
frustrating for someone like me who misses character-level
stylesheets...but then you end up wasting very little time on formatting.
(At times, I make myself write in BBEdit so that I don't get caught up in
pointless tweaking too early.) After using Confluence's options for a few
days I stopped and noticed, 'Hey! Everything looks great!" They've saved me
from wasting time and from doing hideous things ;-)

* Overall, I've probably spent 30-45 minutes figuring out various features
and where options are. The hardest was figuring out where attachments are
organized. (There's a little paperclip symbol that's only visible when
you're not editing. A bit weird, but not a big deal.)

If anyone has used Confluence and/or anything else and wants to post some
comparisons (now or six months from now, I'll still be interested), please
do.
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Re: PrintList Pro v6 - Build a MySQL reporting tool in 4D, access AreaList Pro properties and more

[Tilman Haerdle via 4D_Tech]

Sorry to bug you but what about SR Pro 64 bits? :-)

Cheers,
Tilman Haerdle

> Am 12.06.2017 um 14:57 schrieb Philippe Ganter via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:
> 
> PrintList Pro version 6 released.
> 
> * Compatibility with 4D v16 32-bit and 64-bit.
> 
> * Make a MySQL reporting tool with 4D and PrintList Pro v6!
> Printing MySQL data is now available.
> Combine the power of 4D and the flexibility of MySQL to design PrintList Pro 
> reports for MySQL databases.
> 
> * PrintList Pro now uses all (relevant) AreaList Pro properties
> All AreaList Pro properties, except user interaction (such as data entry or 
> drag and drop) of course, can be set and read by the new getter and setter 
> commands for all property types (PL_SetXXXYYYProperty, PL_GetXXXYYYProperty) 
> including commands to manage break properties.
> 
> * PrintList Pro also has its own properties for specific printing features
> In addition to AreaList Pro properties, PrintList Pro v6 has its own 
> properties for the following features:
> - Page breaks
> - Dividers (show, thickness, color) for headers, body and breaks
> - Line thickness, color
> - End of page callback
> - Adjust the area size to the page (shrink the area or enlarge the last 
> column)
> - Minimum area height (print a new page if unavailable)
> - Print headers (or not)
> - Repeat values
> - Start a new page after the area
> - Frame color, width
> 
> * Other new commands
> Besides AreaList Pro properties getter and setter commands, PrintList Pro 
> version 6 includes three new commands:
> - Set a custom icon or picture in a cell (PL_SetIcon)
> - Add a calculated column (PL_AddCalculatedColumn)
> - Remove a column (PL_RemoveColum)
> 
> PrintList Pro version 6 is available at www.e-node.net/plp
> 
> Best regards,
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Re: tab seperated text - what to use for Cr

[Tilman Haerdle via 4D_Tech]

We normally export CRs as some kind of unique escape sequence (like "#13" or 
so) that can be easily replaced by CRs in Excel.

That way the export data can be handled without problems in all systems that 
allow for global search

Cheers,
Tilman


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Am 15.03.2017 um 19:46 schrieb Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:

I am trying to export some data to tab separated format.
it is possible that there are carriage returns in the data.
Is there a character (or combination) that I can use to replace the
return to get excel to automatically wrap the text into one cell?

Thanks

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