Re: Slow characters visualization

[stardata.info via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

On my case, i have the slow character visualization when the method have 
some rows.


Not depend of the method's names but of the method length.

Thanks
Ferdinando

Il 15/02/2018 15:53, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com ha scritto:

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:42:00 -0800
From: Kirk Brooks<lists.k...@gmail.com>
To: 4D iNug Technical<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Subject: Re: Slow characters visualization
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Re: Slow characters visualization

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Ferdinando and others,

Recently I updated my Macros list with a number of new ones that use short
names (3 or 4 chars) which have the ahead option set. After adding them I
began to notice the sort of slowness you describe. I'm thinking it has to
do with whatever is managing the type ahead capability for the macros and
is susceptible when the macro names are short.

Do you have a number of short-named macros too?

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 1:23 PM, stardata.info via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have again the issue explained below using 4D V15.5 on windows.
>
> I notice that when i write one command or one comment in a method, 4D is
> very slowly to
>
> display the characters typed on the keyboard and in task manager i can the
> see that 4D take until 14% of cpu...
> When even the last character typed is displayed, the cpu for 4D return to
> 0.
>
> No one have this issue ?
>
> Thanks
> Ferdinando
>
> Il 11/11/2017 00:26, stardata.info ha scritto:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If i open only one method 50 rows... i have the same slow.
>> With 4D V15.4 not have this issue...
>>
>> Thanks
>> /Ferdinando/
>>
>> Il 10/11/2017 21:00, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com ha scritto:
>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:01:29 -0800
>>> From: Kirk Brooks<lists.k...@gmail.com>
>>> To: 4D iNug Technical<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Slow characters visualization
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 

Re: Slow characters visualization

[stardata.info via 4D_Tech]

Someone have solved this issue?

Otherwise is better to work with 4D V15.4 is really slownes to write 
code with this delay.


Thanks
Ferdinando

Il 21/11/2017 18:35, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com ha scritto:

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:00:36 -0600
From: John DeSoi<de...@pgedit.com>
To: 4D iNug Technical<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Subject: Re: Slow characters visualization
Message-ID:<1f8db4c5-837d-48e3-b00f-acc6457db...@pgedit.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii

Previously, I only had problems on the Mac with version 15.4 if I had many 
large methods open. Closing everything would solve the problem.

Then I upgraded the Mac from 10.11 to 10.13 High Sierra. Now a single large 
method open is enough to make typing code very frustrating. No problems with 
16.2 on the same computer.

Just wanted to mention it for those that might be considering using 10.13 with 
4D 15. Method editing is not only slow, but startup time and any database 
operation seems perceptively slower. Probably no surprise since 4D 15 is not 
certified to work with 10.13.

John DeSoi, Ph.D.




On Nov 20, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>  
wrote:

Just to confirm, I have also seen the issue on my MacBook Pro since v15 was 
introduced.  It was intermittent, and I have not experienced it for a while. 
Sometimes quitting 4D and restarting would help.  Other times it would restart 
with the problem still present.  I never saw a clear pattern for what would 
trigger the slowness.


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Re: Slow characters visualization

[Jim Dorrance via 4D_Tech]

Me too. Mac 10.12.6  4D 15.5

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:53 PM, stardata.info via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Yes! i have this issue...
>
> Thanks
> /Ferdinando/
>
>>
>> Il 21/11/2017 18:35, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com ha scritto:
>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 06:49:58 +
>>> From: lists<li...@xsitra.com>
>>> To: 4D iNug Technical<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Slow characters visualization
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <MWHPR11MB1920E4779A1D0A4CFD3359C7C2230@MWHPR11MB1920.namprd
>>> 11.prod.outlook.com>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Ferdinando,
>>>
>>> There was an issue with memory leak in some versions that exhibit
>>> similar behaviour.  I know the issue existed in v16 (fixed in one of the
>>> NB), returned in 16r3 and 16r4, and it's been since fixed in 16r4 build
>>> 215501, but I don't know if it effected any v15 releases too.
>>>
>>> To verify if this is your issue, open a method with about 100 lines of
>>> code or more, scroll down to the bottom of the method (this is important to
>>> trigger the leak), open your task manager and look at the amount of memory
>>> 4D is taking.  If you notice the memory grow every second, you have a
>>> version with this leak.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Lahav
>>>
>>
>>
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RE: Slow characters visualization

[stardata.info via 4D_Tech]

Yes! i have this issue...

Thanks
/Ferdinando/


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Ferdinando,

There was an issue with memory leak in some versions that exhibit similar 
behaviour.  I know the issue existed in v16 (fixed in one of the NB), returned 
in 16r3 and 16r4, and it's been since fixed in 16r4 build 215501, but I don't 
know if it effected any v15 releases too.

To verify if this is your issue, open a method with about 100 lines of code or 
more, scroll down to the bottom of the method (this is important to trigger the 
leak), open your task manager and look at the amount of memory 4D is taking.  
If you notice the memory grow every second, you have a version with this leak.

Regards,

Lahav




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Re: Slow characters visualization

[stardata.info via 4D_Tech]

I have this issue from 4D V15.5 with 4D V15.4 no problems...

I use Windows 8 and 4D V15 is certifyed for this operating system.

/Ferdinando/

Il 21/11/2017 18:35, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com ha scritto:

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:00:36 -0600
From: John DeSoi<de...@pgedit.com>
To: 4D iNug Technical<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Subject: Re: Slow characters visualization
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Previously, I only had problems on the Mac with version 15.4 if I had many 
large methods open. Closing everything would solve the problem.

Then I upgraded the Mac from 10.11 to 10.13 High Sierra. Now a single large 
method open is enough to make typing code very frustrating. No problems with 
16.2 on the same computer.

Just wanted to mention it for those that might be considering using 10.13 with 
4D 15. Method editing is not only slow, but startup time and any database 
operation seems perceptively slower. Probably no surprise since 4D 15 is not 
certified to work with 10.13.

John DeSoi, Ph.D.

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RE: Slow characters visualization

[lists via 4D_Tech]

Ferdinando,

There was an issue with memory leak in some versions that exhibit similar 
behaviour.  I know the issue existed in v16 (fixed in one of the NB), returned 
in 16r3 and 16r4, and it's been since fixed in 16r4 build 215501, but I don't 
know if it effected any v15 releases too. 

To verify if this is your issue, open a method with about 100 lines of code or 
more, scroll down to the bottom of the method (this is important to trigger the 
leak), open your task manager and look at the amount of memory 4D is taking.  
If you notice the memory grow every second, you have a version with this leak.

Regards,

Lahav

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Cc: stardata.info <stard...@stardata.info>
Subject: Re: Slow characters visualization

Hi All,

I have again the issue explained below using 4D V15.5 on windows.

I notice that when i write one command or one comment in a method, 4D is very 
slowly to

display the characters typed on the keyboard and in task manager i can the see 
that 4D take until 14% of cpu...
When even the last character typed is displayed, the cpu for 4D return to 0.

No one have this issue ?

Thanks
Ferdinando

Il 11/11/2017 00:26, stardata.info ha scritto:
>
> Hi,
>
> If i open only one method 50 rows... i have the same slow.
> With 4D V15.4 not have this issue...
>
> Thanks
> /Ferdinando/
>
> Il 10/11/2017 21:00, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com ha scritto:
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:01:29 -0800
>> From: Kirk Brooks<lists.k...@gmail.com>
>> To: 4D iNug Technical<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>> Subject: Re: Slow characters visualization
>> Message-ID:
>>  

Re: Slow characters visualization

[John DeSoi via 4D_Tech]

Previously, I only had problems on the Mac with version 15.4 if I had many 
large methods open. Closing everything would solve the problem.

Then I upgraded the Mac from 10.11 to 10.13 High Sierra. Now a single large 
method open is enough to make typing code very frustrating. No problems with 
16.2 on the same computer.

Just wanted to mention it for those that might be considering using 10.13 with 
4D 15. Method editing is not only slow, but startup time and any database 
operation seems perceptively slower. Probably no surprise since 4D 15 is not 
certified to work with 10.13.

John DeSoi, Ph.D.



> On Nov 20, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Just to confirm, I have also seen the issue on my MacBook Pro since v15 was 
> introduced.  It was intermittent, and I have not experienced it for a while. 
> Sometimes quitting 4D and restarting would help.  Other times it would 
> restart with the problem still present.  I never saw a clear pattern for what 
> would trigger the slowness.

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Re: Slow characters visualization

[Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech]

Just to confirm, I have also seen the issue on my MacBook Pro since v15 was 
introduced.  It was intermittent, and I have not experienced it for a while.  
Sometimes quitting 4D and restarting would help.  Other times it would restart 
with the problem still present.  I never saw a clear pattern for what would 
trigger the slowness.

Keith - CDI

> On Nov 20, 2017, at 3:23 PM, stardata.info via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have again the issue explained below using 4D V15.5 on windows.
> 
> I notice that when i write one command or one comment in a method, 4D is very 
> slowly to
> 
> display the characters typed on the keyboard and in task manager i can the 
> see that 4D take until 14% of cpu...
> When even the last character typed is displayed, the cpu for 4D return to 0.
> 
> No one have this issue ?
> 
> Thanks
> Ferdinando
> 
> Il 11/11/2017 00:26, stardata.info ha scritto:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If i open only one method 50 rows... i have the same slow.
>> With 4D V15.4 not have this issue...
>> 
>> Thanks
>> /Ferdinando/
>> 
>> Il 10/11/2017 21:00, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com ha scritto:
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:01:29 -0800
>>> From: Kirk Brooks<lists.k...@gmail.com>
>>> To: 4D iNug Technical<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Slow characters visualization
>>> Message-ID:
>>> 

Re: Slow characters visualization

[stardata.info via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

If i open only one method 50 rows... i have the same slow.
With 4D V15.4 not have this issue...

Thanks
/Ferdinando/

Il 10/11/2017 21:00, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com ha scritto:

Message: 9
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:01:29 -0800
From: Kirk Brooks<lists.k...@gmail.com>
To: 4D iNug Technical<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Subject: Re: Slow characters visualization
Message-ID:

Re: Slow characters visualization

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Ferdinando,
If you happen to have some forms open that include subforms and you have
the subform open too it can cause the design process to use a lot of CPU
cycles which might cause your system overall to behave as you describe.
This was especially true if the subforms had listboxes. I haven't noticed
this in a long time and this specific issue may have been resolved.

The thing is something is using a lot of processing power in the design
process. It's probably doing some sort of dynamic redraw or update.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:15 PM, stardata.info via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> I All,
>
> I notice that the slow in characters visualization, is always, even if the
> method have 10 rows.
> When i write into one method the cpu consuming of 4D V15.5 is around
> 12/15%, like if 4D do a big work in interpretation of a code that i write
> into a method.
> This only on 4D V15.5 in other version of 4D all is normal.
>
> Only i have this issue?
>
> Thanks
> Ferdinando
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 22:03:19 +0100
> From: "stardata.info"<stard...@stardata.info>
> To:4d_tech@lists.4d.com
> Subject: Slow characters visualization
> Message-ID:<042ac318-dd04-b313-c069-4312c66f9...@stardata.info>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Hi all,
>
> I use 4D V15.5 on windows.
> Sometimes when i write a method the editor is not fast responsive, in
> fact i can see the character digited only after one second.
>
> Someone know the reason, and how i can solve?
>
> Thanks
> Ferdinando
>
>
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Slow characters visualization

[stardata.info via 4D_Tech]

I All,

I notice that the slow in characters visualization, is always, even if the 
method have 10 rows.
When i write into one method the cpu consuming of 4D V15.5 is around 12/15%, 
like if 4D do a big work in interpretation of a code that i write into a method.
This only on 4D V15.5 in other version of 4D all is normal.

Only i have this issue?

Thanks
Ferdinando

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 22:03:19 +0100
From: "stardata.info"<stard...@stardata.info>
To:4d_tech@lists.4d.com
Subject: Slow characters visualization
Message-ID:<042ac318-dd04-b313-c069-4312c66f9...@stardata.info>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Hi all,

I use 4D V15.5 on windows.
Sometimes when i write a method the editor is not fast responsive, in
fact i can see the character digited only after one second.

Someone know the reason, and how i can solve?

Thanks
Ferdinando

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Re: Slow characters visualization

[stardata.info via 4D_Tech]

In fact i have noticed that in V13 the same database have not a problems.
I have this problems even with only one method opened in editor


Il 06/11/2017 23:33, Guy Algot ha scritto:
You need to throw away everything you think you know when switching to 
a new version. There are many things v15 does that v13 does not. And 
vis versa.


However, I was asking because there’s a bug in the method editor that 
causes slowdowns in 4D due to the # of tables. This bug was not in v13.


On Nov 6, 2017, at 3:14 PM, stardata.info  
> wrote:


Is not a tables's problems in my opinion, because the same database 
in V13 not give this type of problems.


I have 12 tables.

Thanks

Ferdinando


Il 06/11/2017 23:10, Guy Algot ha scritto:

How many tables in your database?

On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, stardata.info  
via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com > wrote:


I have this issue even with only one method opened.

The same thing is not present in 4D V13

Thanks

Ferdinando


Il 06/11/2017 22:13, John DeSoi ha scritto:
On the Mac I notice a significant slowdown if I have more than a 
few methods open that have a lot of code. Closing the big methods 
seems to fix the problem.


John DeSoi, Ph.D.


On Nov 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, stardata.info  
via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com > 
wrote:


I use 4D V15.5 on windows.
Sometimes when i write a method the editor is not fast 
responsive, in fact i can see the character digited only after 
one second.


Someone know the reason, and how i can solve?





Later,

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Re: Slow characters visualization

[stardata.info via 4D_Tech]

Is not a tables's problems in my opinion, because the same database in 
V13 not give this type of problems.


I have 12 tables.

Thanks

Ferdinando


Il 06/11/2017 23:10, Guy Algot ha scritto:

How many tables in your database?

On Nov 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, stardata.info  via 
4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com > wrote:


I have this issue even with only one method opened.

The same thing is not present in 4D V13

Thanks

Ferdinando


Il 06/11/2017 22:13, John DeSoi ha scritto:
On the Mac I notice a significant slowdown if I have more than a few 
methods open that have a lot of code. Closing the big methods seems 
to fix the problem.


John DeSoi, Ph.D.


On Nov 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, stardata.info  
via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com > wrote:


I use 4D V15.5 on windows.
Sometimes when i write a method the editor is not fast responsive, 
in fact i can see the character digited only after one second.


Someone know the reason, and how i can solve?




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Re: Slow characters visualization

[John DeSoi via 4D_Tech]

On the Mac I notice a significant slowdown if I have more than a few methods 
open that have a lot of code. Closing the big methods seems to fix the problem.

John DeSoi, Ph.D.


> On Nov 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, stardata.info via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I use 4D V15.5 on windows.
> Sometimes when i write a method the editor is not fast responsive, in fact i 
> can see the character digited only after one second.
> 
> Someone know the reason, and how i can solve?

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Slow characters visualization

[stardata.info via 4D_Tech]

Hi all,

I use 4D V15.5 on windows.
Sometimes when i write a method the editor is not fast responsive, in 
fact i can see the character digited only after one second.


Someone know the reason, and how i can solve?

Thanks
Ferdinando

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Slow characters visualization

[stardata.info via 4D_Tech]

Hi all,

I use 4D V15.5 on windows.
Sometimes when i write a method the editor is not fast responsive, i 
fact i can see the character digited only after one second.


Someone know th reason, and how i can solve?

Thanks
Ferdinando


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