Re: [9fans] go under plan9 on the radpberry pi?
Building anything on a raspberry pi is a bit of a chore. I highly recommend running go on your cpu server and/or local to your filesystem. The generated binaries seem to work fine. I haven't found any bugs, but I haven't run anything serious on on my pis. On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, Michael Misch wrote: I’ve used it, it works fine. Building on a raspberry pi, on the other hand is a chore when using Go. On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:41:48 +0100 Steve Simon wrote: does go run under plan9 on the radpberry pi or only on x86? I haven't tried a native build but cross-compiling with cd `go env GOROOT`/src GOOS=plan9 GOARCH=arm ./bootstrap.bash seems to work. bunzip2 the resulting .tbz file in $home & then bind -a $home/go-plan9-arm-bootstrap/bin /bin Only lightly tested.
Re: [9fans] Virtual Box 5.1 and Plan 9
I run 9front in virtualbox, and, while I totally agree that its a waste of time to test it because they *always* break something in vbox, you're pretty safe if you stay on the 4.3 series and 5.0 series (on my end: 4.3 on freebsd is tested and 5.0 on windows is tested). I know you don't get the latest and greatest features, but it works and you can get your work done which is more important than features. If you want to try fixing things, I'm sure the patches would be accepted, but I don't think you should unless you have *very* good reasons to because of how terrible virtualbox is. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 image for xhyve/bhyve hypervisor/vm?
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: I am going to give it a try this weekend, but I'm wondering if anyone has built an image for xhyve (OSX) or bhyve (BSD)? It seems the virtio drivers should work. I think it would be a good alternative to 9vx. it might be the easy way to try a distro. I have a 9front cpu server running in bhyve currently. Seems to work alright. I'm booting it with the CSM/EFI stuff thats in -CURRENT. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Go on Plan 9?
Also the ports tree[1] version of golang should install fine. I haven't tried it in a while, but also haven't changed it so it should work. That will grab the ca certs and install (I think) 1.3. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] gpio device for Plan 9
On Dec 31, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Krystian Lewandowski krystian@gmail.com wrote: I tried to look at 9front BCM tree, it seems to be a bit different (no fakertc device for example) from the one at Bell Labs, is it by purpose or just trees are not synched? I.FNm asking because i have 9front on my laptop and iNd like to build BCM kernel there, and so i thought maybe i could use 9pi from 9front image instead, but iNd like to know what is the status. Our kernel has some significant changes to it compared to the Bell Labs kernel. So it's kind of both on purpose and because we don't sync them as much as we probably should. 9pi works fine (I use it daily), and since you use 9front, if you want to support it that would be great because we really don't have anyone working on that as much as we should. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Anyone porting to Yún?
On Dec 26, 2013, at 0:29, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote: http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardYun?from=Main.ArduinoYUN similar to the routerboard port (MIPS). I thought Arduino was entirely AVR based. But I haven't been following any developments. Mostly they are. But the Yún includes an Atheros module with WiFi, Ethernet, USB, and a MIPS processor running Linux. BLS And I think it has an AVR too.
Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front
On Dec 23, 2013, at 16:45, Blake McBride bl...@mcbride.name wrote: money to pay core contributors (you?) http://mveety.com/just-send-the-money All proceeds go to me, the majority of which then go to khm.
Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front
It's not super required to add a new user on standalone systems. Obviously file/auth servers have more of a need. You're system isn't less secure using Glenda. You're going to be host owner no matter what user you use. On Dec 23, 2013, at 0:19, Sergey Zhilkin szhil...@gmail.com wrote: Hello ! From - https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/admin Adding Users Add a new user on the file server: echo newuser username /srv/cwfs.cmd If needed, make the new user a member of the upas (email) group: echo newuser upas +username /srv/cwfs.cmd The newuser filesystem command is described in the fs(8) manpage. Examine the '/adm/users' file to investigate the results. To add a new user to the auth server, make sure auth/keyfs is running, then set an auth password for the user: auth/changeuser username New users are created without a profile, mail directory, tmp directory (needed to edit files with sam) or other confections. To install a default profile for a new user, upon first login, run: . /sys/lib/newuser then edit /usr/username/lib/profile to your own specifications. See cwfs(4) and fs(8) and auth(8). 2013/12/23 Blake McBride bl...@mcbride.name Greetings, I've searched the net to find a way to add a new user. The following command doesn't work: con -l /srv/fscons I gather that command is for fossil, and fossil isn't used anymore. I poked around /srv but couldn't find a substitute. Appreciate any help. Blake -- С наилучшими пожеланиями Жилкин Сергей With best regards Zhilkin Sergey
Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue
On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Kurt H Maier wrote: Quoting Blake McBride bl...@mcbride.name: I use ASCII. Not on 9front, you don't. khm Well isn't the lower bit of UTF ASCII? -- Veety
Re: [9fans] mk time-check/slice issue
You should learn the system before wanting to make changes to it. You're wanting to change how zen is practiced without knowing much zen.
Re: [9fans] mk time-check/slice issue
On Dec 18, 2013, at 17:01, Blake McBride bl...@mcbride.name wrote: I apologize for beating the heck out of the group. I admit that some of my questions are premature. I appreciate everyones help. Don't worry about asking questions ever, man. It's good to see, seeing people willing to ask questions is rare nowadays and shows that you have true sack.
Re: [9fans] 9front pegs CPU on VMware
On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:34, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote:
/*
* put the processor in the halt state if we've no processes to run.
* an interrupt will get us going again.
*/
void
idlehands(void)
{
extern int nrdy;
if(conf.nmach == 1)
halt();
else if(m-cpuidcx Monitor)
mwait(nrdy);
}
the reason for not just unconditionally calling halt() on a
*multiprocessor*
is that this would keep the processor sleeping even when processes become
ready to be executed. there is currently no way for the first woken
processor
to wakup another one other than the monitor/mwait mechanism; which for some
reason seems not to be emulated in that vmware fusion setup. one can run
aux/cpuid to see what processor features are supported.
yes, theres the HZ tick that should wake up the sleeping processor
eventually,
but then it might be too late.
it won't be too late—as causing failures. i've tried testing this and
generally found that reduced contention on the dog pile lock means
unconditionally halting gives a performance boost.
- erik
What are the changes you made to 9atom to facilitate this? Just replacing the
if/else with a halt?
Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9
On 12/15/2013 4:17 PM, Blake McBride wrote: This whole discussion has devolved into a political left vs. right like debate. Suffice it to say that without a critical mass of users, Bell Labs and/or Alcatel-Lucent will drop it, it will experience insufficient support from the user base at large, and it will suffer bit-rot until it won't boot anywhere anymore. No. We forked it. If you could google better maybe you would know this. Here is an exercise for fun too. Create your own written language, and write a bunch of books in it. Have fun. Fuck you. I have better shit to do like make vt(1) work with OpenVMS. Blake -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Compiling C under 9front
Use 8c. Amd64 isn't supported yet. On Dec 15, 2013, at 20:31, Blake McBride bl...@mcbride.name wrote: Greetings, I've got 9front running but I am having trouble compiling a hello.c program. term% 6c hello.c term% 6l hello.6 ??none??: cannot open file: /amd64/lib/libc.a I already looked in google, the email list, and FAQ's that I could find. Your help is appreciated. Blake McBride
Re: [9fans] Raspperry Pi - temperature readings
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Krystian Lewandowski wrote: Hi,i modified bcm/ sources a bit, so now it supports /dev/cputemp. I keep my RPi in a case, i had to check temperature. The patch is sent already: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/patch/bcm-cputemp/ I'm not sure if it is good enough, actually it is my first contact with Plan9 (though i read about it long time ago). Having Plan9 port to RPi i couldn't resist. :) Great job, thanks! Greetings, Krystian Added to 9front. Thanks for the patch, brother! -- Veety
Re: [9fans] libmemlayer bug
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013, Conor Williams wrote: ok... i'm now interested... is there a hot boot plan 9 yet? 9front.org and also whatever our google code url is. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] music storage
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013, Jeff Sickel wrote: Since it was a joke, 808 STATE Plan 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv8BOkV4l8U On Dec 9, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: um. it was a joke… Man, youtube really sucks in mothra. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] libmemlayer bug
On Dec 9, 2013, at 0:28, Conor Williams conor.willi...@gmail.com wrote: and what's wrong with that? It's not supposed to do that. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] test
On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:20, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: testing... -- cinap Works.
Re: [9fans] sam resizing
On Oct 23, 2013, at 0:00, BurnZeZ brz-systemd-...@intma.in wrote: acme -b You mean ed, right?
Re: [9fans] it's the small things ...
That's my favorite thing about Plan 9. It is simple and lets you do little clever things to make your life better.
Re: [9fans] VMware and 9atom
On 10/09/13 16:13, erik quanstrom wrote: 9front works in virtualbox. i don't think it's that simple. 9atom runs in at least one install of vbox, but i have also seen it fail. the reports on the list have been that it takes a little magic, and the right vbox version. - erik I haven't had 9front fail on virtualbox. I keep both virtualbox and 9front on the most recent version/revision. Granted I haven't tried any other operating systems for the host other than Windows. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] VMware and 9atom
On 10/06/13 15:33, Christopher Nielsen wrote: This seems to be a regular question, but there is very little to no useful or current information available, so I will ask again in hopes that something has changed. Has anyone been able to install 9atom on any version of VMware Workstation? If so, would you please share the settings you used to get it working. I am trying to setup a go dev environment and need 9atom for python 2.7. I'll keep plugging away at it, and if I find something that works, I'll share it. Thanks! 9front might work in VMWare. It has python and mercurial installed and go works pretty well on it. You could try that too. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] i'm afraid we've had it wrong
World Domination. You forget that 2013 is the year of the Plan 9 desktop. On Sep 29, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Teodoro Santoni asbras...@gmail.com wrote: Surely there was a market to fit into... On domenica 29 settembre 2013 22:34:34 CEST, Charles Forsyth wrote: On 29 September 2013 17:55, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.di.unipi.it/~nids/docs/the_plan-9_effect.html I note that despite that analysis he worked on Bing.
Re: [9fans] Newbie questions
On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:41, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Now when we are on topic. Does recent Plan9 (or any of the forks) support GPT? there's a start in 9atom, but it's not finished. - erik I'm also working on it for 9front. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] programmable pathname completion in Acme?
I'm on the side of saying have an outside program do it for everything (at least in 9front). It would make things like this much easier. Veety
Re: [9fans] Closed nix development is an insult
You have to look on the bright side here guys: the fact that its secret makes it more tantalizing, and it will be cooler when released. It's like presents. Veety
Re: [9fans] a simple chess board for plan9
On Sep 3, 2013, at 8:06, Travis Moore tra...@varspool.com wrote: I was a little surprised at the lack of chess resources for something which came out of bell labs. I'm not about to contribute an engine, but I did end up writing this graphical program to help me keep track of my correspondence games: http://runjimmyrunrunyoufuckerrun.com/src/chessbd.tgz It doesn't check moves or anything, but it can load, save, and play back games. It also accepts among its arguments a strict form of portable game notation, so that you can, for example, run: chessbd 1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 \ 5.Nf3 Bd6 6.Be3 c4 7.b3 cxb3 8.axb3 Ne7 \ 9.Na3 Nbc6 10.Nb5 Bb8 11.Bd3 Bf5 12.c4 O-O \ 13.Ra4 Qd7 14.Nc3 Bc7 15.Bxf5 Qxf5 16.Nh4 Qd7 \ 17.O-O Rad8 18.Re1 Rfe8 19.c5 Ba5 20.Qd3 a6 \ 21.h3 Bxc3 22.Qxc3 Nf5 23.Nxf5 Qxf5 24.Ra2 Re6 \ 25.Rae2 Rde8 26.Qd2 f6 27.Qc3 h5 28.b4 R8e7 \ 29.Kh1 g5 30.Kg1 g4 31.h4 Re4 32.Qb2 Na7 \ 33.Qd2 R4e6 34.Qc1 Nb5 35.Qd2 Na3 36.Qd1 Kf7 \ 37.Qb3 Nc4 38.Kh2 Re4 39.g3 Qf3 40.b5 a5 \ 41.c6 f5 42.cxb7 Rxb7 43.Kg1 f4 44.gxf4 g3 \ 45.Qd1 Rbe7 46.b6 gxf2 47.Rxf2 Qxd1 48.Rxd1 Rxe3 \ 49.Rg2 Nxb6 50.Rg5 a4 51.Rxh5 a3 52.Rd2 Re2 0-1 then use the arrow keys to step through Kasparov's game against Deep Thought (press down, then right repeatedly). This is my first program in C, let alone for plan9, so any comments or suggestions are most welcome, Travis Styles good and seems to work quite well. Nice work! PS: your domain name is beautiful. Veety
Re: [9fans] 9GridChan
I haven't heard anything from mycroftiv in a while. I think the best option would be to email him directly. On Aug 27, 2013, at 23:10, Shane Morris edgecombe...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for the reply. Of course I should've tried #plan9 - I must've switched off higher reasoning. Too excited to play Plan 9 again perhaps? Of another question, do many members of the list run Plan 9 on VIA systems? We all know their support for Linux can be a bit woeful, but they say (in the specs) the newer USB3.0 systems have specific Linux support. I suppose the question should more be Do many members use QEMU on VIA systems for Plan 9? And perhaps this isn't exactly the place... for the list to decide. Thanks again, I'll connect XChat to #plan9 when I return home this evening. On Aug 28, 2013 1:03 PM, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: I think this list and #plan9 on freenode are your best options. I don't believe many people are using the 9gridchan stuff directly at this point, but all the fundamentals are the same as any other Plan 9 system. It may require a bit of poking, but I'm sure folks in one of those two places can help you out. #plan9 on freenode can be a great place to get help, but like any small IRC channel, it's sort of hit-or-miss who you get. If nobody in the room at the moment can help, try again later. I haven't seen any 9gridchan questions recently. Anthony
Re: [9fans] Python3 for Plan9
No it is. Just use the compilers for the other arch. On Aug 12, 2013, at 21:35, Devyn Collier Johnson devyncjohn...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/12/2013 07:23 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: On Mon Aug 12 19:15:36 EDT 2013, devyncjohn...@gmail.com wrote: Aloha Plan9 fans! I am new to Plan9 and I plan to use it for robotics. However, I am unable to find a Python3 interpreter that would run on a Plan9 system on an ARM system. Does such a package exist? not out o the box, but jas' python port on bitbucket is close. we haven't tried out python 3 yet, and we've been ignoring arm but we are following the tip, so python 3 might just work on 386/amd64. i- erik Thanks anyway. I am new to cross compiling, so I assume it is not as easy as downloading the source code and compiling? Mahalo, devyncjohn...@gmail.com
Re: [9fans] p9p export or equivalent
cifs also works well. I use that very often. On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:55, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: u9fs. On Aug 1, 2013 12:31 PM, smi...@icebubble.org wrote: I just noticed that plan9port doesn't have a version of the Plan 9 export command. Has it not been ported yet? Short of setting up that 800lb gorilla known as NFS and using Plan 9's nfs client, how might one share files on a *nux system with Plan 9? -- +---+ |Smiley smi...@icebubble.orgPGP key ID:BC549F8B | |Fingerprint: 9329 DB4A 30F5 6EDA D2BA 3489 DAB7 555A BC54 9F8B| +---+
Re: [9fans] p9p export or equivalent
On 8/1/2013 1:36 PM, Nicolas Bercher wrote: I'm curious: I've tried several version of cifs, but none of them gave me write permissions to Plan9 filesystems. Do you? Nicolas The version in 9front works with Samba, Windows, and cifsd on 9front.
Re: [9fans] Moderator's Note: comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup.
Oracle was a terrible example. That company is about one man, his ego, and what he wants to inflict upon humanity. On Jul 15, 2013, at 19:07, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: the nature of any large, all encompassing thing is to be good and evil all at the same time. proof: imagine a company (Google, Microsoft, Oracle, GE, etc.) that spans the universe. your perception of whether that thing is mostly good or mostly evil is a reflection of your belief about the nature of the universe. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, john francis lee j...@robinlea.com wrote: Isn't google the now well-known devil itself ? On 07/15/2013 11:04 PM, hiro wrote: Will your replacement set up a facebook or google-plus relay then? I thought about this already for quite some time after I've seen the successful migration of both tech-savy and novice users to web 2.0 services. There is just no way to argue against finally making it possible to fully exploit our modern touch-interfaces that also make it so trivial to include scrolling media rich content, images, videos without the typical mimecode problems. On 7/15/13, 9f...@mail2news.bath.ac.uk 9f...@mail2news.bath.ac.uk wrote: The comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup is a moderated Newsgroup. Articles require approval before being posted. It has been moderated from here, the University of Bath, since the 1990's. I, the current moderator, will be leaving the University at the end of this month and our Usenet server will be turned off in late August of this year. So a new moderator for comp.os.plan9 is required. Newsgroup articles are also sent to the 9fans mailing list. Messages sent to the 9fans mailing list are auto-injected into the comp.os.plan9 Usenet Newsgroup. This bi-directional gateway will disappear when our Usenet server is turned off. So a volunteer to take over this service is also required. Further details of the above are given below. Moderating the Newsgroup isn't labour-intensive. For example I've approved and posted some 18 articles in the last three months. The vast majority of these articles have arrived via Google Groups. The moderator will need access to a Usenet system and have the right to post articles to a moderated Newsgroup. I.e. articles from the moderator which include an Approved: header are accepted. Volunteer moderators are requested. I suspect the reason that moderating the Newsgroup isn't arduous is that the majority of the articles in the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup are gatewayed in from the 9fans mailing list at: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/ and most serious plan9 adherents are members of this mailing list. Currently our Usenet server acts as a bi-directional gateway. The articles from the 9fans mailing list are injected into the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup and articles approved for the Newsgroup are sent on to the mailing list. Gatewaying the 9fans mailing list into the Newsgroup will obviously keep running until our Usenet server is switched off, but a replacement elsewhere is ideally required. The minimum requirement for gatewaying mailing list articles into the Newsgroup is to be subscribed to the 9fans mailing list and have access to a Usenet system with the right to post articles to a moderated Newsgroup. Manually injecting 9fans mailing list articles into the Newsgroup is labour-intensive. It needs to be automated. There are probably several ways of doing this, but we've set this up directly on our Usenet server. Our setup is similar to the following. We use the mail domain mail2news.bath.ac.uk for mailing lists we wish to inject into Newsgroups. Mail for this domain is handled by the Usenet server, which is running exim as its MTA and INN as its Usenet software. All incoming email is checked for viruses using ClamAV. An address in the mail2news.bath.ac.uk domain is subscribed to the 9fans mailing list. Email arriving for this address is checked to see it has the correct envelope sender (9fans-boun...@9fans.net). If so, the INN program mailpost is used to inject the message into the Newsgroup. The mailpost program keeps a record of the Message-ID's it has seen. So there's no problem with looping, ie the attempted injection of the same message a repeated number of times. Newsgroup articles could be injected into the mailing list by using INN news2mail channel script. However, betraying my original Cnews roots, this is done by a shell script driven by the fragment: # Inject articles posted to the comp.os.plan9 Newsgroup back into # the mailing list, 9fans@9fans.net, using a locally written script. # The script should include safeguards against looping, ie not # re-injecting articles that originally came from the mailing list. plan9mail!\ :comp.os.plan9\ :Tp:/opt/news/bin/plan9mail %s in INN's newsfeeds file. The above script uses the news2mail program from the
Re: [9fans] bug 9front file
On Jul 10, 2013, at 19:35, arisawa aris...@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: Hello, file command of 9front is buggy: term% file *.8 KR_trans.8: HTML file bf_trans.8: HTML file eKR_trans.8: HTML file sAC_trans.8: HTML file sw_trans.8: HTML file translib.8: HTML file term% official Plan9 is OK al% file *.8 assert.8:386 .8 intermediate build.8: 386 .8 intermediate event.8: 386 .8 intermediate file.8: 386 .8 intermediate ftp.8: 386 .8 intermediate gc.8:386 .8 intermediate gui.8: 386 .8 intermediate http.8: 386 .8 intermediate i.8: 386 .8 intermediate icons.8: 386 .8 intermediate img.8: 386 .8 intermediate iutils.8:386 .8 intermediate layout.8:386 .8 intermediate lex.8: 386 .8 intermediate strinttab.8: 386 .8 intermediate transport.8: 386 .8 intermediate url.8: 386 .8 intermediate utils.8: 386 .8 intermediate al% Kenji Arisawa Fixed. sysupdate for fix. Also for future reference post on the 9front mailing list about these things or file a bug. Thanks! Veety
Re: [9fans] How useful is a scroll wheel?
On Jul 8, 2013, at 10:19, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 06:09:14AM -0400, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: Although I spend a large part of my time on a Mac laptop, I'm a little puzzled at how or why one would use two hands with the trackpad doohickey. I just have the trackpad built-in -- I don't have the wireless trackpad -- but I'm curious as to how / why you use this, and how two hands make it more interesting than what one might do with multitouch. They're discussing using it in addition to a fully-functional mouse, rather than instead of a fully-functional mouse. khm I use a trackpad in addition to a mouse. Makes moving the cursor easy when I'm lazy. Veety
Re: [9fans] 9atom installation fails due to missing files [solved]
On Jul 8, 2013, at 15:55, Steffen Daode Nurpmeso sdao...@gmail.com wrote: Yapadapad! While biking i became enlightened. Just disabled the network and it boots (VirtualBox 4.2.16, OS X). It seems the system hangs around trying to get some IP address via DHCP?? I don't know why it does so long (minutes) and requires such a lot of CPU time (though of the VM) doing so, ... but it's working just fine! Just some more years 'till i know what i'm talking about!! --steffen Yeah it does that. You have to give her a static ip. If you're on wireless, promisc sometimes helps. Best solution is install natively.
Re: [9fans] Install Advice requested
On Jun 29, 2013, at 21:30, Terry Wendt silicon.pengui...@gmail.com wrote: I created a partition and started the plan9 install using plan9.iso. It was an incomplete install, and I had some other problems from which I've recovered. 8^) I created a directory on the plan9 partition named iso, then copied plan9.iso to that dir. Can anyone provide some guidance regarding completing the install without allowing plan9 to mark its partition as the boot partition? Once the install is complete, if I need to reinstall grub2 I know how now. What do I tell grub2 to point to on the plan9 partition to add it to my grub2 menu? And can anyone recommend any boot options I may need to set? Thank you in advance, Terry. You can tell it not to install the mbr. Also you can chain load it similar to windows with grub2.
Re: [9fans] Tried 9atom.nboot.iso.bz2
pap: If you can give me a link to get 9front, I'll try that to. Thanks. I am not pap (nor a suitable alternative), but you can get 9front at http://9front.org . Also has nice links to our wiki. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] plan9 iso image cont.
Anyway, next steps? Terry. Hit enter at the 9front bootargs prompt.
Re: [9fans] Win starting rc?
On Jun 18, 2013, at 5:04, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2013 20:40, Derek Carter (aka goozbach) goozb...@friocorte.com wrote: BTW I'm still using BASH as my $SHELL, I should go 'whole hog' and try rc, but baby steps... baby steps... When I switched to /bin/rc on Ubuntu, I found that even the ApplicationsTerminal windows appeared quickly, compared to whatever shell was being used by default. Of course, with both 9term and rc, windows appear immediately. Ubuntu has a lot of shit that bash has to run before it starts to improve the user experience.
Re: [9fans] Win starting rc?
On Jun 11, 2013, at 16:09, Brian Vito brian.v...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a way to have Acme's Win command start an rc session rather
than bash? Also, is it possible to set the bash prompt to PS1=: {\w}
%; if bash is started by Win? Thanks again.
Bash was ported to plan 9?
Re: [9fans] Hardware recommandations for new CPU and file servers
On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:17, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: I don't understand why nobody seems to produce a design that does not use a fan for the PSU In the same league, I was looking for an uninterruptable PSU and found a single supplier and a price tag, for a single host of USD 340. Fanless, I must concede, but then the Li-Ion batteries weren't included. Something out there is odd, these are features every laptop gets from the get-go. ++L Build a psu for my fileserver that has battery back up. It isn't fanless (honestly sounds like a jet taking off) but I have all of those fancy laptop features with about $100. If you have the know how building a psu is the way to go sometimes. Veety
Re: [9fans] Fossil disk usage over 100%?
On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:41, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: it takes no skill to make snarky comments. Khm brought trolling back to the intelligent man. His work is truly an art. Veety
Re: [9fans] Fossil disk usage over 100%?
Fossil still feels foreign to me, though I'm attempting to change that. You misspelled unstable. You have more sack than I could ever say I have for putting anything mildly important on fossil.
Re: [9fans] Public access Plan 9 on VPS (or Pi) available?
You can also talk to khm about getting you a machine on 9cloud. It's 9 bucks a month and the service is super good. I'm up for giving you an account on my machine if you pay for a month of hosting, but I agree with everyone that said you should set it up on your own. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Go for systems programming
On May 17, 2013, at 11:51, lamg gort.andres...@gmail.com wrote: I think it will be nice for Plan9 having such language-compiler, Go has proved to be an improvement over C in its own niche. In its own niche is the important point here. Just because writing a kernel or system utilities can be done in Go doesn't mean it should be. Go isn't even totally stable or feature complete on Plan 9 at this point. You get the same shit in C on Plan 9 as you do Go plus it's more stable and has better support. At this point I would say keep using C unless you have some specific need to use Go on Plan 9. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Go for systems programming
Oh lord this is degenerating to lisp machines. On May 17, 2013, at 16:42, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 16:31:43 EDT Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in self referentially wrote: This is a fantastic troll. In response to On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:45:06AM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote: I don't see what's the big deal about doing GC In an OS kernel. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera_(operating_system) Look under the Features section.
Re: [9fans] 9pccpu: can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram
I have my nvram as a file on my fat partition. That seems to work. On May 13, 2013, at 17:32, arisawa aris...@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: Hello, not yet with usb. my current solution is sdcard with sata adapter only for NVRAM. I will be happy if someone have a solution that uses usb flash drive only. Kenji Arisawa On 2013/05/14, at 1:37, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: were you able to resolve this? i have the same problem with a diskless Supermicro 5015A-EHF-D525 server with a 1GB ScanDisk usb. -Skip On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:19 AM, arisawa aris...@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: Hello, I have another example that behaves somewhat different from GA-H61M-USB3-B3. The MB is GA-73UM-S2H. The chipset is nVIDIA GeForce 7150/nForce 630i. Kernel message are: Plan 9 cpu0: 2667MHz GenuineIntel Core 2/Xeon (cpuid: AX 0x06FB DX 0xBFEBFBFF) ELCR: 0C20 LAPIC: 0xfee0 0xe000 mpinit: scanning acpi madt for extra cpus cpu1: 2667MHz GenuineIntel Core 2/Xeon (cpuid: AX 0x06FB DX 0xBFEBFBFF) mtrrfix1: i9: 0 404040404040404 mtrrfix1: i10: 0 404040404040404 pcirouting: ignoring south bridge PCI.0.0.0 10DE/07C0 #l0: igbepcie: 1Gbps port 0xE408 irq 10: 6805ca00fbd2 mpintrenable: out of choices eisa -1 isa 5 tbdf 0xc002000 irq 11 intrenable: couldn't enable irq 11, tbdf 0xC002000 for usbohci mpintrenable: out of choices eisa -1 isa 5 tbdf 0xc002100 irq 5 intrenable: couldn't enable irq 5, tbdf 0xC002100 for usbehci 3198M memory: 149M kernel data, 3048M user, 3673M swap usbinit...usbd...no usb disk...waiting for dhcp... auth...can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist authid: ehci 0xe0003000: polling usb/disk... bootes authdom: aichi-u.ac.jp auth password: secstore password: can't write key to nvram: '/env/nvroff' file does not exist usbinit...partfs...version...time... swap: /dev/swap post... init: starting /bin/rc ar# ls /dev/sd* /dev/sdU0.0/ctl /dev/sdU0.0/data /dev/sdU0.0/raw /dev/sdctl ar# usb/probe ep1.0 roothub csp 0x09 ports 10 ohci ep2.0 roothub csp 0x09 ports 10 ehci ep3.0 storage csp 0x500608 vid 0x0411 did 0x0098 BUFFALO 'USB Flash Disk' ehci ar# Note that storage is detected, but no usb disk and then can't open /dev/sdXX/nvram. The message: couldn't enable irq 5, tbdf 0xC002100 for usbehci might be a problem. Kenji Arisawa
Re: [9fans] anyone put their venti on an SSD?
I tried putting venti on an ssd with similar results. Fossil, kenfs, and cwfs all worked fine on that drive though. I think it was one of the earlier Intels. On May 3, 2013, at 16:59, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: I tried putting our index on a single OCZ SSD and it died during buildindex. The SSD was completely unresponsive thereafter, which is pretty appalling behaviour for a storage device. Having since sworn off OCZ, I would try again with a pair of Intel 330s in a RAID.
Re: [9fans] Go tip build fails
I don't think changing ldelf.c would fix this issue. IIRC we don't use it on Plan 9. On May 1, 2013, at 15:25, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: found the other instance at line ldelf.c:681; the assignment from e32 is indirect via add. same results as before. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: bootes% grep -n 'rp-add' *.[ch] | grep e32 ldelf.c:709: rp-add = e-e32(sect-base+rp-off); ldmacho.c:807: rp-add = (int32)e-e32(s-p+rp-off) + rp-off + 4 - secaddr; ldmacho.c:809: rp-add = (int32)e-e32(s-p+rp-off); ldpe.c:294: rp-add = (int32)le32(rsect-base+rp-off); ldpe.c:300: rp-add = le32(rsect-base+rp-off); it seems that ldelf.c:709 is the only place that fits your instructions. doing the cast has no effect (i.e. fails building cmd/go with the same error messages) On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com wrote: that means you are building from source in the ld directory, look for assignments to rd-add from calls to e32. two do not do a cast to int32. try casting those two and let me know if you can i will be at work in a couple of hours, not on a phone, and can offer more help then. -rob On May 1, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: yes. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com wrote: Are you using Plan 9? Because I don't understand how you could get those messages on Plan 9, but I do on other systems. -rob
Re: [9fans] CODE AS THOU WILT summer sponsored by the Loonie Revolution
I feel like you're taking rips off the wrong bong tonight. Amazon payments are way better. On May 1, 2013, at 22:46, mycroftiv 9gridchan mycrof...@sphericalharmony.com wrote: The Loonie Revolution is proud to announce and sponsor: CODE AS THOU WILT SHALL BE THE WHOLE OF THE LAW summer What are the rules? NONE. From May 1 to Aug 30. What is going to happen? Some people (maybe you) are going to write some original Plan 9 code that does something at least slightly interesting and new. Then the Loonie Revolution will send you $99 via PayPal. That's not much money for coding, is it? Nope. Think of it as a tip of gratitude, not as an hourly wage for your efforts. Can I just write Hello World and get money for it? Nope, not unless it said hello to a different world via the tachyon telephone device. There is no minimum specification, but the software has to do something new for Plan 9, not just solve an Euler problem or something. Loonie Revolution - is this just a troll? Nope. The new lunar-powered revolution of peace and love to bring the fantasy of a better world into our shared reality has been declared. The fiction binds are forming and the harmonic time resonance is vibrating in helical patterns. Ben Kidwell Loonie
Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin
my apologies for the tasteless comment, but IMHO making goblin GPL'ed will cause uriel to be spinning at a higher rate than desired. There has been talk of using the free energy that Uriel can harness for power generation. Free software neck beards are more renewable than wind power, and uriel is more efficient than wind turbines.
Re: [9fans] [GSoC] sorry for the last email
On Apr 23, 2013, at 16:33, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: Politics... residents and/or nationals of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Sudan, North Korea and Myanmar (Burma), with whom we are prohibited by U.S. law from engaging in commerce, are ineligible to participate http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#4._Who_is_not_eligible_to_participate_as sad but true. That's fucking stupid. Can he still work on a project with out getting paid for it?
Re: [9fans] Arm Python Was: Go Plan9 ARM Dreamplug
On Apr 17, 2013, at 5:15, Yaroslav yari...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/4/15 Christopher Nielsen cniel...@pobox.com A small caveat, I had to use mercurial on x86 (my cpufsauth server is an x86 vmware instance), since there wasn't an arm binary. Other than that, it was all pretty painless. One may '9fs sources fcp /n/sources/contrib/yk/5.python /arm/bin/python' to add the ARM binary (without VFP instructions). -- - Yaroslav How do you get python to build without the VFP instructions? -- Veety
Re: [9fans] John Floren, Im trying to make the world better
On Mar 18, 2013, at 12:51, vvs...@gmail.com wrote: Your argument is unfalsifiable. There is no evidence that if it hadn't happened, it wouldn't have happened at all, other than the fact he hadn't killed himself before he killed himself. You are right of course. And you should note, that the opposite is unfalsifiable also. But the scientific method is unapplicable here because we will never know for sure anyway. It is also reductio ad absurdum. Plenty of people are charged for crimes they did not commit (and he was not innocent), and they do not kill themselves. Yes, that is true also. But I didn't argue that there is substantial evidence that it was the cause. I just saying that in my opinion they bear the moral responsibility for his death. Nobody is going to push charges against them in court on these grounds. He broke laws. Was the case against him absurd? Sure. Was the sought after punishment way harsher than the crime? I think so. I agree with that part. Does that make anyone other than him responsible for him killing himself? No. I strongly disagree here. They abused their authority and broke public trust which might resulted in loss of life. Are you trying to say that nobody should be held responsible for the consequences of their actions? And they were advised that it could cause harm to his health, but chose not to act responsibly. If that's not enough for you, that's enough for me. since when is this antsfans@ant... You are right and it's off-topic. But I didn't started it and if you chose to publicly argue with what I said before then I have the right to respond to your criticism, don't I? Or is it a one way avenue? How lovely. This is devolving to hn level masturbation about Aaron Schwartz.
Re: [9fans] Scheme
On Mar 18, 2013, at 14:27, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: Can we get back to plan9? I've updated my bitbucket repo of s9fes Scheme to its author's latest version. s9, the scheme interpreter, works fine but bundled scheme programs don't yet work due to their unix dependencies. The low level p9 interface is the same as before. I have tested it on x86 and arm. If anyone is interested in scheme hacking, there are some fun little projects: a GUI library, a library to build scheme based file servers, etc. A bigger project is to add a proper code generator. Chibi scheme also works on p9 but it is a moving target and it has more unix shared lib dependencies. And I haven't ported my p9 support to it. I'm very interested in this. Do you have a link to your bitbucket?
Re: [9fans] The PATENTED IBM MULTI-PIPE : the evolution of unix pipes
On Mar 15, 2013, at 13:46, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:29:09AM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote: If it is same or close enough, what matters is if your code can be shown as prior art. I don't see how. The US is first-to-file land, now. khm I only thought that was starting in April?
Re: [9fans] 9atom vs 9front
On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:43, Kyle Laracey kalara...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, March 11, 2013 4:56:16 PM UTC-4, Bakul Shah wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:47:45 EDT Matthew Veety mve...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 11, 2013, at 16:36, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote:
Note: if your host uses wifi but no ethernet, bridged
adapter won't work.
That's card dependent. It needs to support promisc mode AFAIK. Not all cards
support it.
Just discovered that at least on the MBP you can get bridged
mode to work by using en1: Wi-Fi (AirPort).
Really? I have the same setup as you mentioned, with Bridged Adapter, en1:
Wifi (AirPort), and Promiscuous Mode set to {Deny, Allow VMs, Allow All}, but
for each of those three options for Promsicuous mode, ip/ipconfig still times
out with ipconfig: no success with dhcp.
So the card itself needs to support it. The little promisc thing in vbox
doesn't really do shit if your card doesn't support it.
Also try setting the ip and other net info manually.
Re: [9fans] How to build plan9 image for raspberry pi with
On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:49, Xinwei Hu hxin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, A newbie question here. I want to fully utilize my 8G SD, while the image provided now is about 2G only. Is there a way to customize the size of the image ? Or, even further, is there a way to extend existing filesystem online ? Thanks. I booted mine off the net, nuked the fossil, and made a larger partition then used mkfs to install. You would probably have to do something similar.
Re: [9fans] 9vx getting root from plan9 file server
On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:29, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Anyone succeeded in getting 9vx to take its root from a remote plan9 file server? There is a mail from RSC from 2009 but he indicates it is untested, I was just wondering if anyone got it to work and have a command like they could share? -Steve Yeah I do it all the time. I use yiyus's 9vx. Works great.
Re: [9fans] 9atom vs 9front
On Mar 11, 2013, at 16:36, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: Note: if your host uses wifi but no ethernet, bridged adapter won't work. That's card dependent. It needs to support promisc mode AFAIK. Not all cards support it.
Re: [9fans] building go on VMWare gives fatal error: malloc/free -
On Mar 6, 2013, at 10:58, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I tried to build it on a real computer and my wife filed for divorce. Bug status: Cannot reproduce Works for me. - erik The divorce or the bug replication?
Re: [9fans] new fork?
Do you guys still use it at lsub? On Feb 27, 2013, at 17:54, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: yes, octopus was a better plan. both should be still avail from our web site. On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:39 PM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: There is/was a Plan B. Some of the ideas went into Octopus I think... On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/27 David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com: I'd have called it Plan A. [Insert horrific Plan B joke here.] On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:36 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: http://plan10.tumblr.com/
Re: [9fans] What's up with $home? And a security question.
I almost agree with Bruce. Best course of action is alcoholism. On Feb 24, 2013, at 1:24, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: drink On 24 February 2013 16:20, Stuart Morrow morrow.stu...@googlemail.com wrote: So I read in New Scientist one time that being awake for more than a certain amount of hours is the same as being lightly drunk. I shouldn't be on the Internet at all really right now.
Re: [9fans] arcnet
It seems so. I haven't heard it being used in my lifetime. On Feb 20, 2013, at 11:57, steve st...@quintile.net wrote: just a straw poll, anyone here use arcnet or know of any significant modern use, my employer uses it for data comms in TV stations, but this is becoming superseded by ethernet these days, are we the last bastion? -Steve
Re: [9fans] two questions about go in Plan 9
Yeah I get those too. There are also some process spawning issues and UTF issues in http. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] two questions about go in Plan 9
That's how I do it usually. On Feb 18, 2013, at 13:12, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: I know, but, what's the std way to do that in go in plan 9? On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:07 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: network connections on plan9 can be hanged up by writing hangup into the corresponding ctl file. -- cinap [/mail/box/nemo/msgs/201302/897]
Re: [9fans] fortune nomination
I don't even know what to say to that. On Jan 30, 2013, at 23:51, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: “There are over 1,200 GNU compiler options - see the documentation for details. - https://computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/bgq/ - erik
Re: [9fans] trying to populate arm tree
If you're using python on arm there are still a lot of issues that need working out. I can give specifics once I get home. On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:25, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:32 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: python needs a mkfile rework. i'm afraid it's more serious than that. python is out of date, only compiles for 386, there are file i/o problems, etc, it drags along openssh/openssl, and isn't pushed upstream. jeff is working on a addressing all these issues with the latest 2.x python. it will be put on sources when its ready. - erik This is fixed in 9front, if someone wanted to pull in the fixes.
[9fans] Fixed golang's build.
I pulled golang's mercurial tree today to update it, and shit was broke. For anyone interested I got it building and things that are important to me working. diff: http://mveety.com/contrib/3bada48ff85cca5409abdcef4a7ac68e -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Fixed golang's build.
Does anyone know who is working on the ports to Plan 9? I want to get in touch with them.
Re: [9fans] Fixed golang's build.
How do I get contrib status? On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:05 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: akshat, anthony and lucio are doing most of the work. I'm a very small contributor, thanks for including me. In fact, Minux has been contributing more than I, not to mention Andrey himself :-) But I'll be happy to assist, at the same time Veety should get contributor status, I believe we can use more participants. ++L -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Fwd:
It doesn't render in mothra.
Re: [9fans] Fwd:
It seems to be mothra's spam blocker doing it. On Jan 15, 2013, at 17:03, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I didn't know it was mothra's fault, I thought it was my DNS spam blocker.
Re: [9fans] these are release of 9front?
the current usb stack can't do some things it needs to be able to do. it's particularly terrible at dealing with devices with scheduling requirements. and it doesn't handle xhci. - erik Well can't we just fix the problems with the current one? Most of the work is already done. I don't see why we can't just use that.
Re: [9fans] 9atom
Correct. On Jan 5, 2013, at 19:55, Rox 64 mrox...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I have another question here. I have browsed the wiki, the mailing list and I have googled it a lot but I'm still not sure. 9front's wiki says that in order to make a Live USB you need to copy a compiled Plan 9 kernel in a '/386' folder. From what I have seen there's two available 386 kernels in 9front: 9pcf and 9pccpuf. If I'm correct, 9pcf is the standard kernel and 9pccpuf is for configuring a standalone CPU server, right?
Re: [9fans] 9atom
On Jan 4, 2013, at 14:50, Rox 64 mrox...@gmail.com wrote: I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be getting the CDROM to boot in a machine without a CDROM drive. There exist bootable images for USB sticks which contain a full fossil filesystem; you can start the installation from there. In fact, I had made a 32-bit bootable USB stick for Nix about a year ago and included a script to start the installation, I'll see if I can find it. I see. Thank you guys, been waiting to try Plan 9 since a while, but I though my hardware was incapable of booting and running it. In fact I wanted to buy a Raspberry Pi to install Miller's build... Although I will get sooner or later a Rpi haha. What file system do I need to install Plan 9? Fat32? NTFS? Ext2/3/4? Fossil, cwfs, or hjfs.
Re: [9fans] 9atom
On Jan 4, 2013, at 15:24, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be getting the CDROM to boot in a machine without a CDROM drive. There exist bootable images for USB sticks which contain a full fossil filesystem; you can start the installation from there. In fact, I had made a 32-bit bootable USB stick for Nix about a year ago and included a script to start the installation, I'll see if I can find it. I see. Thank you guys, been waiting to try Plan 9 since a while, but I though my hardware was incapable of booting and running it. In fact I wanted to buy a Raspberry Pi to install Miller's build... Although I will get sooner or later a Rpi haha. What file system do I need to install Plan 9? Fat32? NTFS? Ext2/3/4? Fossil, cwfs, or hjfs. perhaps i'm being literal when it's not called for, but i don't see this answers the question. to *install* plan 9, you should be fine with a bare machine plus the sd card or iso. - erik Well he asked for the filesystem. I gave him the filesystems.
Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
Here's how to make a 9front iso. I would guess that building a bell labs dist is similar. http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/build -- Veety
Re: [9fans] arm compiler bug
Is this related to the bug I found in python on arm?
On Jan 2, 2013, at 4:05, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
0 -0x8000 == 1 with 5c.
the problem is caused by this:
if(a == ACMP f1-op == OCONST p-from.offset 0) {
p-as = ACMN;
p-from.offset = -p-from.offset;
}
because 0x8000 == -0x8000
adding the following check to that if expression fixes it:
p-from.offset != -p-from.offset
silly python code.
--
cinap
Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc
I think some of the acorn machines had CDROM drives. They can't boot from them though. On Jan 2, 2013, at 15:11, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: What I think people are trying to say is that this doesn't really make a lot of sense. The AMD64 system doesn't have any installer work done for it at all--I think it's not far off, but to the best of my knowledge nobody has built a CDROM that boots the 64-bit kernel and gives you the installer from there (Erik, have you done this yet?). I've never even SEEN an ARM system with a CD-ROM, and it's uncertain if a given ARM system's bootloader will support booting from a USB CD-ROM drive; it's just not how OSes are installed on ARM! john On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Francesco Cardi cardifrance...@gmail.com wrote: I think the most practical thing is to create an iso based on the specific architecture you have, you have to give me the link, the messages I have written does not give me complete information but they are only concepts, I need documntazione I want to build a iso, do not want to create a combo iso for various things -- Cardi Francesco alias Il Parente Free Software activist CEO/President Movimento Culturale GNU CODICE LIBERO Diaspora*: https://joindiaspora.com/u/ilparente Identi.ca: https://identi.ca/cardifrancesco Jabber: ilpare...@jabber.org
Re: [9fans] Too big a monitor for Acme?
It works great. More columns the better really. On Dec 28, 2012, at 19:12, Jacek Masiulaniec jac...@dobremiasto.net wrote: I am planning an upgrade of my 24 display. At first I wanted a 30, but am now having some doubts regarding acme experience on these larger displays. Did you notice significant mousing overhead, owing to the area increase? Were speed/acceleration tweaks sufficient to mask it? Any report is welcome, as I have no test system. Thanks. Jacek
Re: [9fans] Uriel
On Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Winston Kodogo wrote: Guys That wasn't really the point. Uriel is dead. He contributed a lot of fun - now sadly missing - to this group. There was a certain amount of largely good-natured fun at his expense over 9load. Now he's dead under sad circumstances, and we're arguing over whether my comments are technically accurate? Really, for fuck's sake. He would do the same.
Re: [9fans] 9fans Digest, Vol 103, Issue 57
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: ken has left the building -- conap Who is this conap, and what have you done with cinap? -- Veety
Re: [9fans] c++
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012, Richard Miller wrote: 9th grade is usually 1st year high school in the us. DeutschlandUSA - - Hochschule college Gymnasium high school Sporthalle gymnasium I thought that Uni was equal to college here in the states. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] c++
Only if she give me free healthcare and hookers. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] iwp9 2013
Yes you did.
Re: [9fans] iwp9 2013
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, John Floren wrote: It means that the football hooligans will be out of town rather than filling all the hotels and drinking all the beer. I'm told that Athens during a college football game is truly a sight to see. (From a distance. On closed-circuit camera. In a bunker) john On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Aram H?v?rneanu ara...@mgk.ro wrote: What does away game mean? -- Aram H?v?rneanu It would be fun to get really trashed with them though. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] c++
How do you studiously not do something? Doesn't the imply working hard at something? -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Kernel panic when allocating a huge memory
does plan 9 run on any ultrabooks natively? swapping within a vm? my head hurts to think of it. - erik I have 9front running natively with some help on my MacBook Air. Ive been working on getting rid of the help. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] rc vs sh
On Oct 25, 2012 1:00 PM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:08 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: can someone tell me how to speed up poweroff on ubuntu? Pull the cable and or battery. G. Don't use Ubuntu. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] 9grid?
On 10/23/2012 8:11 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote: Go embeds parallel/grid functionality now instead of just lightweight thread execution? Which packages would you point me at? Thanks, D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:09 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com mailto:rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Don A. Bailey d...@capitolhillconsultants.com mailto:d...@capitolhillconsultants.com wrote: I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating tasks. Real code? talk to charles. Or now that Go works, you could look at some of those packages. ron -- Don A. Bailey CEO/Founding Partner Capitol Hill Consultants LLC 1-303-947-6557 I would avoid using Go on Plan 9 right now for anything production because it has issues when using many concurrent tcp connections. If you do want to use Go, stick with reading and writing files, and let 9P do it's thing. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] 9grid?
On 10/23/2012 8:44 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote: Does Go have issues in general with TCP connections, or is this a Plan 9 specific issue? D I haven't had any problems with Go on other platforms (FreeBSD and Mac OS X) except for CPU use sometimes and scheduling of goroutines. Both you can kinda work around. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] 16:9 display and freeze
On 10/16/2012 8:07 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: Nothing but the monitor has changed. The graphic card has not changed, it is still a ATI Technologies Radeon 9200SE. My configuration for Plan9 has not changed either for the video stuff (whether 800x600 or 1024x768, I will have to check; but the monitor auto adapts so some discrepancy between what the monitor and the card agree to use and the size of the software buffer is not impossible). When testing a new get_mk_install.rc and compilation for kerTeX, a couple of seconds after switching to scroll mode (for kerTeX compilation) under Plan9 (native), the machine froze hard. I had to cold reboot, since simply rebooting, the BIOS had problems: something has been trashed. Had anyone already encountered such behavior? Hints about the whodunit? And a cure? no. i used a 16:9 monitor for a short while. no ill effects. other than an ugly picture. - erik This sounds more like a hardware problem in your machine (not display) than a bug in Plan 9. Plan 9 crashing hard shouldn't do anything to the bios (unless it did something *really* nasty in /dev/realmode, but I can't think of anything that would trash the bios). -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Uriel
On 10/14/2012 6:33 PM, David Arroyo wrote: It's always such a shock when an online correspondence dies, you can never tell someone's health on the other side of an irc chat unless they want to broadcast it, so every loss seems so sudden, and so untimely. At least now he's in a world without XML :) RIP Yeah, this news has been definitely been sudden. I'm pretty speechless. RIP, man. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on EC2 and Go
On 10/12/12 9:04 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: This might be of interest to some 9fans. A few months ago -- with Richard's help -- I was able to clone a Plan 9 instance from the AMI he created on Amazon EC2 (check 9fans archive for the original announcement). I've built and deployed new kernels to it; it is relatively painless. I've just deployed a test http server written in Go; you'll need an HTML5 browser (requires Websocket) to see how it works. I'm wondering how it performs, if you can, please try it out. http://ec2-79-125-53-233.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/ The server is serving its own directory and you can see the source here: http://ec2-79-125-53-233.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/src/ -Skip Here's the link to the announcement: http://9fans.net/archive/2012/05/453 -- Veety
Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was
On Sep 14, 2012 7:16 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: forgive me, mother, for reading this mailinglist. I feel as though our mothers have already abandoned us for this list.
Re: [9fans] carriage returns in 9term and acme
On Sep 12, 2012 12:48 AM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: my adsl router has a telnet interface that won't dumb down (i.e. be sensible). it is more than tedious watching it try to backspace over stuff and move the cursor about. hey guys, don't do that crap! You can make a telnet client that dumbs down the stream to your terminal. Telnet is trivial to implement. -- Veety
Re: [9fans] rc vs sh
On Aug 31, 2012 7:15 PM, hiro 23h...@gmail.com wrote: I think Russ is trolling you, uriel. He is a pretty badass troll.
Re: [9fans] It seems Plan 9 is on Hacker News
On Aug 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 01:55:15AM -0700, Nick LaForge wrote: Oh yeah, already a comment about the GUI 'sucking'! A bit more fortitude is in order, right? The thing you have to remember about hacker news is that nothing posted there is news and none of the people who frequent it are hackers. Web Developer with an Unwarranted Sense of Self-Importance just doesn't roll off the tongue quite as readily as hacker, just like link-dump and self promotion doesn't have the same ring as news. That's why I go on there. It's so entertaining reading so many dick-size competitions in one place. I do have to say though, there are some occasional gems regarding golang on there (which I find *really* surprising). -- Veety
