Re: [9fans] Nemo book
Already done. The inferno distribution contains, in /utils, all the Plan 9 xa, xc, xl (for x in [012568kv]) compilable by gcc. Would this be possible to use for a cross compiler with a Plan9 target? This *is* a cross compiler with a Plan 9 target. It generates Plan 9 binaries, which may be commands (to run under Plan 9 or 9vx) or bootable files (e.g. kernels for Plan 9 or inferno, or stand-alone programs for embedded hardware). I guess this port [1] might be a good starting point? [1] http://code.google.com/p/ken-cc/ That isn't a port, it's just the same xa,xc,xl utils referred to above, removed from the inferno distribution and placed in their own self-contained package.
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com wrote: Alternatively - would a newlib approach be a better bet to get binutils/gcc going? I have been trying to read up on it and to try to locate the syscall information I need from plan9 libc. If anyone got any pointers on how to do this, it would be appreciated :) I was unsure of the cross compiler idea. Was this to run on linux to create plan 9 binaries? If you really want to do that, just go ahead and port the plan 9 c compilers etc. to unix. I did the amd64 linker in about 10 minutes. It's very straightforward C code, far easier to port than the sort of stuff you find in the GNU world -- someone once complained on this list that Plan 9 C code was some sort of old usage or something -- they did not realize that was a *virtue*. The ?c would be a bit longer to do but probably not much. Then you can compile all Plan 9 code on Unix-like systems to target Plan 9. That may not be what you meant. ron
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2011/9/19 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com wrote: Alternatively - would a newlib approach be a better bet to get binutils/gcc going? I have been trying to read up on it and to try to locate the syscall information I need from plan9 libc. If anyone got any pointers on how to do this, it would be appreciated :) I was unsure of the cross compiler idea. Was this to run on linux to create plan 9 binaries? If you really want to do that, just go ahead and port the plan 9 c compilers etc. to unix. I did the amd64 linker in about 10 minutes. It's very straightforward C code, far easier to port than the sort of stuff you find in the GNU world -- someone once complained on this list that Plan 9 C code was some sort of old usage or something -- they did not realize that was a *virtue*. The ?c would be a bit longer to do but probably not much. Then you can compile all Plan 9 code on Unix-like systems to target Plan 9. That may not be what you meant. ron Actually it was the complete opposite that I wanted :) The aim I had was basically to compile legacy lunix applications for Plan9 on a lunix host. For hobby development such a cross compiler + 9vx could be a really nice environment to cut your teeth on while figuring out the right way to do things. I have been playing with trying to compile some legacy lunix applications under APE with or without the old gcc (anyone else experience a crashed 9vx when you try to use gcc?). Often stuff fail due to configure scripts expecting GNU sed, autoconf etc (the gmake port works nicely!)... I guess the right way would be to try to dig through what they want to do and make a real mk file to compile it instead, but I hoped for a lazier approach ;) So what I was thinking (perhaps naively) was first to just compile the ported gcc/binutils (/n/sources/extra/gcc) (which should have all the executeable information for Plan9 in it) + the GCC-ified APE libs on Linux as a cross compiler for Plan9 (and thus NOT have to worry about porting all of GNU to APE first...). After trying to learn about cross compilers I saw this thing about newlib, where it seems like you can make a cross compiler suspiciously easily [1, 2]. But as I said previously. I am a complete noob on this and unfortunately very limited time to actually make it work, but if someone got something similar done before (I suppose the initial GCC port was cross compiled from a lunix host of some kind?), it would be interesting to get it working (and preferrably on an as modern version of GCC as possible). [1] http://wiki.osdev.org/Porting_Newlib [2] http://wiki.osdev.org/Boomstick
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i thought it was great that something called newlib would still have to implement a function called isatty
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 06:50:01PM +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote: i thought it was great that something called newlib would still have to implement a function called isatty This has always been the problem with new: it doesn't last... Same goes for something dated today... -- Thierry Laronde tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com http://www.kergis.com/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
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On Mon Sep 19 14:08:02 EDT 2011, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 06:50:01PM +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote: i thought it was great that something called newlib would still have to implement a function called isatty This has always been the problem with new: it doesn't last... Same goes for something dated today... doing is always dated today. - erik
Re: [9fans] Nemo book
just go ahead and port the plan 9 c compilers etc. to unix Already done. The inferno distribution contains, in /utils, all the Plan 9 xa, xc, xl (for x in [012568kv]) compilable by gcc.
Re: [9fans] Nemo book
2011/9/19 Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com: just go ahead and port the plan 9 c compilers etc. to unix Already done. The inferno distribution contains, in /utils, all the Plan 9 xa, xc, xl (for x in [012568kv]) compilable by gcc. Would this be possible to use for a cross compiler with a Plan9 target? A kencc port (preferably including the APE pcc) as a cross compiler on a lunix host could potentially also be interesting if it would work. I guess this port [1] might be a good starting point? Any pointers on how it would be done? [1] http://code.google.com/p/ken-cc/
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Is running Opera on Plan 9 an option? Opera already runs fine in linuxemu. I never tried the latest versions however. /n/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu3.tgz Also, I don't know how to get abaco running. Abaco is included in Plan 9 since July 2009. To run it, type: % webcookies % webfs % abaco -- David du Colombier
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dont forget mothra! -- cinap
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Abaco is included in Plan 9 since July 2009. To run it, type: % webcookies % webfs % abaco Or even simpler: use readweb(1)
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2011/9/16 Jens Staal staal1...@gmail.com: - One thing I wonder there about 9vx is - can you add a command line argument to start a script in the plan9 that boots? Yes. See 9vxp in 9vx(1). Also, have a look at acmevx in the bin directory as inspiration. -- - yiyus || JGL .
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That's a very interesting point. Implementing lguest on Plan 9 would require something like 13 system calls. Far easier than doing the near-400 system calls of linux correctly. At the cost of running an entire linux kernel on plan9... cinap's linuxem (with my hacks) implements 139 syscalls and seems to run most things. I haven't tried opera recently but my test environment is in-sync with the stable Debian release (squeeze). -Steve
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On Thursday 15 of September 2011 00:54:11 John Floren wrote: (...) I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no modern C++ compiler. I think it's time for people to stop telling the Plan 9 community what its goals should be, when these people haven't even booted Plan 9. I'm one of the `never even booted Plan 9' folks, and I agree with John 100%. Let Plan 9 do things the Plan 9 way, for better or worse. And let the real needs influence what gets implemented first and what later on. If there's pressing need for /native/ full-blown browser, some of the likes of Abaco will be improved to that point. If Plan 9 tries hard to emulate Linux first and innovate second, it'll become stagnant and irrelevant. -- dexen deVries [[[↓][→]]] For example, if the first thing in the file is: ?kzy irefvba=1.0 rapbqvat=ebg13? an XML parser will recognize that the document is stored in the traditional ROT13 encoding. (( Joe English, http://www.flightlab.com/~joe/sgml/faq-not.txt ))
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: The goal should be a Plan 9 distro that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. That goal is a target moving at approximately the speed of light. Specifically, the open a web browser part of it is. A virtualizer running on Plan 9 would waste far less time than implementing enough Linux syscalls to run a Linux distro new enough to run any browser newer than Opera 9.
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: The goal should be a Plan 9 distro that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. That goal is a target moving at approximately the speed of light. Specifically, the open a web browser part of it is. A virtualizer running on Plan 9 would waste far less time than implementing enough Linux syscalls to run a Linux distro new enough to run any browser newer than Opera 9. That's a very interesting point. Implementing lguest on Plan 9 would require something like 13 system calls. Far easier than doing the near-400 system calls of linux correctly. ron
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That's a very interesting point. Implementing lguest on Plan 9 would require something like 13 system calls. Far easier than doing the near-400 system calls of linux correctly. i believe there's at least 2 and they're working on 3 abi for each system call. it's like FAR and HUGE pointers are back from the dead. - erik
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2011/9/16 ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: The goal should be a Plan 9 distro that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. That goal is a target moving at approximately the speed of light. Specifically, the open a web browser part of it is. A virtualizer running on Plan 9 would waste far less time than implementing enough Linux syscalls to run a Linux distro new enough to run any browser newer than Opera 9. That's a very interesting point. Implementing lguest on Plan 9 would require something like 13 system calls. Far easier than doing the near-400 system calls of linux correctly. ron Just out of interest, has anyone made a cross compiler either for the 32-bit Plan9 or 64-bit Nix target? I have been looking a bit into the possibility of packaging the old GCC 3.0 as a cross compiler on Arch linux. At the moment my builds fail miserably since the build assumes that you build on a Plan9 host (hard links in the binutils build to i386-lucent-plan9-ar etc). A newer version (4.6) would be cooler since it also supports the plan9 dialect of C. On the other hand, the cross compiler would just be a neat way to build legacy stuff without having to worry about having all the GNU tools on the target machine. Alternatively - would a newlib approach be a better bet to get binutils/gcc going? I have been trying to read up on it and to try to locate the syscall information I need from plan9 libc. If anyone got any pointers on how to do this, it would be appreciated :) I am a total nooob on this though (unfortunately with very little time, so my efforts are sporadic) Ps. I have an experimental PKGBUILD for nix on my machine. The basic idea I got with that one is: - static root at /opt/vx32/nix/root - changes at /opt/vx32/nix/changes - /usr/glenda moved to /home/glenda, user glenda added to system (directory /opt/vx32/nix/usr removed) - union mount /opt/nix/vx32/nix/root and /opt/nix/vx32/nix/changes at /mnt/nix - mount /home at /mnt/nix/usr It is not ready for public consumption yet however. - One thing I wonder there about 9vx is - can you add a command line argument to start a script in the plan9 that boots? Right now building/packaging nix requires manual intervention in the booted plan9 environment during packaging. Also, it would be nice to have a firstrun part in the startup script for a user so that the system executes /sys/lib/newuser. This in combination with a cross compiler would turn playing with Plan9 far easier and more fun :)
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fmwrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: The goal should be a Plan 9 distro that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. That goal is a target moving at approximately the speed of light. Specifically, the open a web browser part of it is. A virtualizer running on Plan 9 would waste far less time than implementing enough Linux syscalls to run a Linux distro new enough to run any browser newer than Opera 9. Is running Opera on Plan 9 an option? Also, I don't know how to get abaco running. Downloaded the tarball ... http://rain.ifmo.ru/~olegfink/abaco-p9p.tgz Unpacked it, ran mk. Ran ./abaco.sh. Got this far ... ./abaco.sh ./abaco.sh: 7: webfs: not found ./abaco.sh: 10: abaco.bin: not found Apologies for being helpless. - Leonard
[9fans] Nemo book
Is there an html version of the nemo book? http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf Want to read it as white text on a black background. - Leonard
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IIRC there's a 9.txt.gz, not html, but raw text. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an html version of the nemo book? http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf Want to read it as white text on a black background. - Leonard
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Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: IIRC there's a 9.txt.gz, not html, but raw text. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an html version of the nemo book? http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf Want to read it as white text on a black background. - Leonard
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.orgwrote: Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz Cheers.
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Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 23:43, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an html version of the nemo book? http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf Want to read it as white text on a black background. - Leonard
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.orgwrote: Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz Wow is that better. Too bad there is no css for pdf. (Or is there?) Viewing the book now with Firefox/Stylish/Blackify. http://userstyles.org/styles/2154/blackify - Leonard
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes?
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. Somehow, plain text is much more enjoyable to read than pdf.
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes? Because we like our eyeballs. I think you're going to be pretty disappointed with the Plan 9 UIs, if you get around to booting it. John
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:57 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes? Because we like our eyeballs. I think you're going to be pretty disappointed with the Plan 9 UIs, if you get around to booting it. John Right now running Ubuntu, with openbox. GTK theme is Wii-black. Tried using wmii, but for some reason sound stopped working, so still using openbox. Downloaded p9p and go9p. Afraid to commit to booting native Plan-9 until I'm sure I can get openbox, firefox, and chromium-browser working on it. - Leonard
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM, L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Afraid to commit to booting native Plan-9 until I'm sure I can get openbox, firefox, and chromium-browser working on it. ah, now I see :-) http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg ron
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I want my monitor's brightness and color temperature to suit my ambient light. I'm used to black text on white paper and I don't want to see white squares behind black monitors. Perhaps the only reason I bother is because I'm sitting in front of pcs too long. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 23:55, s s leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes?
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ah, now I see :-) http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg ron Maybe. The web-browser really is a deal-breaker, though. I really enjoyed reading about Plan 9, first at plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/, and later at cat-v.org. As much as I like the design of Plan 9, I also like surfing the web. It would be nice to boot Plan 9 natively on AMD-64, type startx, and open a browser. Unfortunately, I'm not at a level where I can really contribute to getting Plan 9 to that point. I think the focus of the Plan 9 community should be just that. The goal should be a Plan 9 distro that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. With the announcement of NIX, maybe we are already at that point? http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/good_bad_ugly/slides/28 - Leonard
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: ah, now I see :-) http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg ron Maybe. The web-browser really is a deal-breaker, though. I really enjoyed reading about Plan 9, first at plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/, and later at cat-v.org. As much as I like the design of Plan 9, I also like surfing the web. It would be nice to boot Plan 9 natively on AMD-64, type startx, and open a browser. Unfortunately, I'm not at a level where I can really contribute to getting Plan 9 to that point. I think the focus of the Plan 9 community should be just that. The goal should be a Plan 9 distro that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. With the announcement of NIX, maybe we are already at that point? http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/good_bad_ugly/slides/28 - Leonard I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no modern C++ compiler. I think it's time for people to stop telling the Plan 9 community what its goals should be, when these people haven't even booted Plan 9. John
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The point is that you can run multiple operating systems, these days, even on the same machine at the same time. There's no need to use the same one for everything. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:54 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: ah, now I see :-) http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg ron Maybe. The web-browser really is a deal-breaker, though. I really enjoyed reading about Plan 9, first at plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/, and later at cat-v.org. As much as I like the design of Plan 9, I also like surfing the web. It would be nice to boot Plan 9 natively on AMD-64, type startx, and open a browser. Unfortunately, I'm not at a level where I can really contribute to getting Plan 9 to that point. I think the focus of the Plan 9 community should be just that. The goal should be a Plan 9 distro that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. With the announcement of NIX, maybe we are already at that point? http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/good_bad_ugly/slides/28 - Leonard I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no modern C++ compiler. I think it's time for people to stop telling the Plan 9 community what its goals should be, when these people haven't even booted Plan 9. John
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I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. What am I misapprehending? We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no modern C++ compiler. I don't need X, Linux compatibility, GTK, Qt, Firefox, or C++. I need an OS that runs a browser. I was using startx in the figurative sense. I think it's time for people to stop telling the Plan 9 community what its goals should be, Are my-two-cents worth a negative amount? when these people haven't even booted Plan 9. Why should I boot Plan 9, when I know I can't run a browser, and I already have p9p? John - Leonard
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On Sep 14, 2011, at 5:17 PM, ron minnich wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM, L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Afraid to commit to booting native Plan-9 until I'm sure I can get openbox, firefox, and chromium-browser working on it. ah, now I see :-) http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg ron Nice pic. If I squint I can even see the remains of my soul being sucked out just above the cobwebs like they were on a prior job. -jas
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Plan 9 is an OS, p9p is less. If all you need from Plan 9 is in p9p no need to boot Plan 9. We have a browser, but not one with all the newest craze (no html5, js, flash, gl).
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:19 PM, L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: Why should I boot Plan 9, when I know I can't run a browser, and I already have p9p? um, precisely. You should not. So use p9p. Let's get back to trying to figure out where the Ted Stevens quote is in the NIX source. thanks ron
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: Plan 9 is an OS, p9p is less. If all you need from Plan 9 is in p9p no need to boot Plan 9. We have a browser, but not one with all the newest craze (no html5, js, flash, gl). Although for my money abaco is still really neat ... ron
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Since you're on Ubuntu, why don't you start learning the ropes of the Plan 9 programming environment by compiling/running 9vx on Ubuntu and then hitting the papers? That way you can easily continue to use Mozilla and invest minimal time before being able to actually get something out of Plan 9 (you'll need to write some file servers as well as thoroughly appreciate the concurrency model). You'll find 9vx is also a great utility for more effectively using Linux. Inside 9vx, you should also see 'man 1 abaco' and decide if you really need Mozilla. Nick On 9/14/11, L N leonardne...@gmail.com wrote: I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. What am I misapprehending? We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no modern C++ compiler. I don't need X, Linux compatibility, GTK, Qt, Firefox, or C++. I need an OS that runs a browser. I was using startx in the figurative sense. I think it's time for people to stop telling the Plan 9 community what its goals should be, Are my-two-cents worth a negative amount? when these people haven't even booted Plan 9. Why should I boot Plan 9, when I know I can't run a browser, and I already have p9p? John - Leonard
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abaco is free. :-) Although for my money abaco is still really neat ... ron
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invest some time then. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 01:43, Akshat Kumar aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote: abaco is free. :-) Although for my money abaco is still really neat ... ron
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this is still my favorite: http://gi52.photobucket.com/groups/g5/6DUVRHDUAT/typing.gif -rob
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:33 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: Although for my money abaco is still really neat ... ron I wonder if I can get abaco to display pages with a high-contrast-inverse theme. :] - Leonard
[9fans] nemo book
Does anyone here know if it's possible to obtain printed copies of nemo's book if you live in the United States? Dykinson's website doesn't seem to offer overseas shipping... Thanks in advance! -Ben
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On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Benjamin Huntsmanbhunts...@mail2.cu-portland.edu wrote: Does anyone here know if it's possible to obtain printed copies of nemo's book if you live in the United States? Dykinson's website doesn't seem to offer overseas shipping... Thanks in advance! -Ben I've looked at the cost for printing Nemo's book on lulu.com; if you get it in black and white it should be about $25 for one copy. I'd be interested in getting one myself... it's a great reference for Plan 9 programming. John -- Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing -- Rob Pike
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Does anyone here know if it's possible to obtain printed copies of nemo's book if you live in the United States? I'am intrigued, you have a weblink to where I could buy a printed copy (in europe)? I thought sites like lulu only allowed the author to offer the document for publication, not that you can chose an arbitary PDF and ask for it to be printed and bound - unless nemo has done this and I missed the link? I would also be interested a printed and bound copy of the 3rd edition kernel source and commentry... -Steve
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I'am intrigued, you have a weblink to where I could buy a printed copy (in europe)? I'm not sure you can order it online, but here is the link: http://www.dykinson.com/book--Notes_on_the_plan_9tm_3rd_edition_kernel_source--232471.html winmail.dat
Re: [9fans] nemo book
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Benjamin Huntsmanbhunts...@mail2.cu-portland.edu wrote: I'am intrigued, you have a weblink to where I could buy a printed copy (in europe)? I'm not sure you can order it online, but here is the link: http://www.dykinson.com/book--Notes_on_the_plan_9tm_3rd_edition_kernel_source--232471.html Oh, different book... I was thinking of the 'Introduction to OS Abstractions Using Plan 9 John -- Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing -- Rob Pike
