Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
Sorry to disagree here but if you wish to add long barlines
between group of staves, I'd suggest to use a different symbol
than | .
In the way how abcm2ps presently works, I didn't find a pb using |
to separate staves, but now it seems a bit strange to use | which
means separation (separation of notes in bar also) when this
barline between staves means the staves are in group, so it's
rather an union.
So if you don't like using a bar and prefer to change this logical
notation anyway, why not using instead of %%staves {1 2 | 3 4} for
a separation, %%staves {1 2 - 3 4} ?
Given Bernard's statement, and that we are proposing
incompatibilities anyway, I would propose that you
only use a line if you _DO_ want barlines between
staves. In other words, the default is not to join
staves, but you can put a line between if you want
barlines.
Seems like a sensible idea. Do others agree?
Seems obvious.
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Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
Wil Macauley wrote: Given Bernard's statement, and that we are proposing incompatibilities anyway, I would propose that you only use a line if you _DO_ want barlines between staves. In other words, the default is not to join staves, but you can put a line between if you want barlines. That's certainly the logical way to do it. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Webber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes From: Bernard Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..The only regular place that barlines *are* drawn through is in keyboard work. This is not true. On orchestral and band scores barlines are commonly drawn through on groups of staves corresponding to like instruments - eg all the strings; all the brass; all the woodwind. Dave Quite correct Dave. I'm so used to writing choral music (which the example was) that I forget orchestral groupings. In choirs you don't draw across the gap because it clashes with the words. Bernard Hill Braeburn Software Author of Music Publisher system Music Software written by musicians for musicians http://www.braeburn.co.uk Selkirk, Scotland To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I. Oppenheim writes: | On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Wil Macaulay wrote: | | Given Bernard's statement, and that we are proposing | incompatibilities anyway, I would propose that you | only use a line if you _DO_ want barlines between | staves. In other words, the default is not to join | staves, but you can put a line between if you want | barlines. | | Seems like a sensible idea. Do others agree? Seems sensible to me, too. This is encouraged by the note that bar lines between staves is mostly a keyboard thing. I know I've seen it in orchestral scores, to group sets of instruments visually. But I don't think this is all that common. Brackets and braces are often the only thing you see for grouping, and sometimes you see the final bar lines extended. For some reason, keyboard players seem to be the main ones that insist on this visual aid. My comment was wrong. Checking my orchestral scores confirms Dave Webber's correction to my post. It's not just a keyboard thing. Bernard Hill Braeburn Software Author of Music Publisher system Music Software written by musicians for musicians http://www.braeburn.co.uk Selkirk, Scotland To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], I. Oppenheim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Dear Jef,
I have written the following in the standard about
%%staves. Please read it carefully:
If voice blocks, voice groups, or single voices are
separated from each other by a '|' character, no bar
lines will be drawn between the associated staves.
Example:
%%staves Solo [(S A) (T B)] | {RH (LH1 LH2)}
Shouldn't that be
%%staves Solo [(S A) | (T B)] | {RH (LH1 LH2)}
since the barline would interfere with any words sung. The only regular
place that barlines *are* drawn through is in keyboard work.
Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland
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Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
Shouldn't that be
%%staves Solo [(S A) | (T B)] | {RH (LH1 LH2)}
since the barline would interfere with any words sung. The only regular
place that barlines *are* drawn through is in keyboard work.
You're correct. Thank you!
Irwin
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Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
Given Bernard's statement, and that we are proposing incompatibilities anyway,
I would propose that you only use a line if you _DO_ want barlines between
staves.
In other words, the default is not to join staves, but you can put a line
between if you
want barlines.
wil
Bernard Hill wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], I. Oppenheim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Dear Jef,
I have written the following in the standard about
%%staves. Please read it carefully:
If voice blocks, voice groups, or single voices are
separated from each other by a '|' character, no bar
lines will be drawn between the associated staves.
Example:
%%staves Solo [(S A) (T B)] | {RH (LH1 LH2)}
Shouldn't that be
%%staves Solo [(S A) | (T B)] | {RH (LH1 LH2)}
since the barline would interfere with any words sung. The only regular
place that barlines *are* drawn through is in keyboard work.
Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland
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Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Wil Macaulay wrote: Given Bernard's statement, and that we are proposing incompatibilities anyway, I would propose that you only use a line if you _DO_ want barlines between staves. In other words, the default is not to join staves, but you can put a line between if you want barlines. Seems like a sensible idea. Do others agree? Groeten, Irwin Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~* Chazzanut Online: http://www.joods.nl/~chazzanut/ To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
I. Oppenheim writes: | On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Wil Macaulay wrote: | | Given Bernard's statement, and that we are proposing | incompatibilities anyway, I would propose that you | only use a line if you _DO_ want barlines between | staves. In other words, the default is not to join | staves, but you can put a line between if you want | barlines. | | Seems like a sensible idea. Do others agree? Seems sensible to me, too. This is encouraged by the note that bar lines between staves is mostly a keyboard thing. I know I've seen it in orchestral scores, to group sets of instruments visually. But I don't think this is all that common. Brackets and braces are often the only thing you see for grouping, and sometimes you see the final bar lines extended. For some reason, keyboard players seem to be the main ones that insist on this visual aid. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Wil Macaulay wrote: Given Bernard's statement, and that we are proposing incompatibilities anyway, I would propose that you only use a line if you _DO_ want barlines between staves. In other words, the default is not to join staves, but you can put a line between if you want barlines. Seems like a sensible idea. Do others agree? Seems obvious. Bernard Hill Braeburn Software Author of Music Publisher system Music Software written by musicians for musicians http://www.braeburn.co.uk Selkirk, Scotland To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
From: Wil Macaulay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [abcusers] Floating voices Given Bernard's statement, and that we are proposing incompatibilities anyway, I would propose that you only use a line if you _DO_ want barlines between staves. In other words, the default is not to join staves, but you can put a line between if you want barlines. Seems fine to me Arent To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
Seems more intuitive the way you suggest. John - Original Message - From: Arent Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [abcusers] Floating voices From: Wil Macaulay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [abcusers] Floating voices Given Bernard's statement, and that we are proposing incompatibilities anyway, I would propose that you only use a line if you _DO_ want barlines between staves. In other words, the default is not to join staves, but you can put a line between if you want barlines. Seems fine to me Arent To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Floating voices
From: Bernard Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..The only regular place that barlines *are* drawn through is in keyboard work. This is not true. On orchestral and band scores barlines are commonly drawn through on groups of staves corresponding to like instruments - eg all the strings; all the brass; all the woodwind. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
