Re: [AI] Windows Eyes

2014-08-08 Thread DINESH THOLE
Hi Bhavya,

You are right.
There is a keyboard layout in window eyes where in we can use same
JAWS commands with Windoweyes.

Warm Regards.


Dinesh Thole.
On 8/8/14, Bhavya shah  wrote:
> Hi.
> I have started to use NVDA more frequently these days.
> Although I have never used Window Eyes, many people were praising on a
> mailing list NVDA to be better and more responsive than Window Eyes.
> NVDA is free (even open source) so most people who have tested both
> screen readers prefer NVDA (according to what I have read).
> In terms of adjusting to different screen readers, I had read
> somewhere that there is a keyboard layout in Window Eyes that uses the
> keystrokes used by JAWS (this keyboard layout is there for easy
> migration from JAWS to Window Eyes). Is that true?
> Also, in a screen reader survey I read that Window Eyes was used by
> only 6% of screen reader users, lagging behind NVDA and JAWS.
> So it seems that Window Eyes is not used by many.
> Is there any full-time Window Eyes user on this list?
>
> On 8/7/14, Kotian, H P  wrote:
>> Hi
>> The main problem is really getting used to a particular screenreader and
>> its
>> optimised voices.
>>
>> I know of persons who have stood by Wineyes all through these years and
>> refused any other screenreaders.
>>
>> There is indeed a good learning curve involved and folks find it
>> difficult
>> to change over. I don't blame them for it.
>> But, you can certainly consider Wineyes as an excellent screenreader and
>> there is no problem migrating to it. Regarding the voices, even if were
>> to
>> spend for descent tts it would be far cheaper than buying expensive
>> screenreaders per say.
>> Harish
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Amar Jain
>> Sent: 07 August 2014 17:45
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Windows Eyes
>>
>> Good question. The only reason why I prefer Jaws over Window-Eyes is
>> because
>> of its responsiveness. May I add that in order to get your preferred
>> voice
>> such as eloquence / vocalizer, you have to pay an additional fee.
>>
>> I would say, from a casual / medium user prospective it is certainly
>> beneficial to avail this offer if you have a valid lisence for Office
>> 2010 Home Addition or above, but from the heavy user's prospective,
>> Window-Eyes still need to improve in terms of responsiveness.
>>
>> Features' wise I don't see much difference from a normal user prospective
>> between these 2 screen readers.
>>
>> One thing which impresses me about GWMicro is the ability to avail tech
>> support over phone. This is quite helpful in emergency situations.
>> Freedomscientific no longer provides international tech support over
>> phone.
>>
>> If the market of screen readers continues to function in this manner, then
>> I
>> don't see that day too far when allmost all the commercial screen readers
>> offer the same set of features. It would be interesting to see how each
>> company strategically places itself in the market for the future to come.
>> The views expressed are personal.
>> --
>> Amar Jain.
>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Windows Eyes

2014-08-08 Thread Him Prasad Gautam
hi,
yes, the open source may not be utilized by every users.
But the rest screen readers is not modifiable/customizable even by an
experts too.
If any thing is not 100% that should neither consider nor compare with
a thing having a constant figure of zero for ever.
If a common user is unable to handle the source codes, it is not fault
of the software system itself.
>From the perspective of software, it is for all and by all.

Except

On 8/9/14, Pranav Lal  wrote:
> Hi
>
> -Original Message-all,
>  PL] I do not mean to start a debate here but this is a mith. There are very
> few people who have the competency to modify open source applications. Yes,
> if we have dedicated service providers, the model does work but
> generalising
> this is counter productive.
>
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Re: [AI] Windows Eyes

2014-08-08 Thread Pranav Lal
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Re: [AI] Windows Eyes

2014-08-08 Thread Him Prasad Gautam
hi,
Window-eye is second in circulation in USA after Jaws.
Its magnifier the zoom-text is the best among
all yet I had used.
I personally had tested more than a dozen of magnifiers.
About the screen reader, it is something like coca-cola and pepsi or
close up and colgate toothpaste or wheel and surf washing powder!
Fundamentally no difference but different in personal taste!
However, NVDA has its own features.
All other are commercial product. Every thing is in their hands.
Nvda, an open source, yourself can modify as wish.

Here is an my experience.
First issue:
One of VI Nepali telephoned me and expressed his problem.
His small notetaker machine had function keys up to f11 (no f12 key in
keyboard). As a result he is unable to know the time and date. He
wanted a solution from me.
Within no time I assigned shift+f11 key for time/date, compile the
nvda and send to him.
Within hours, his problem got solved.
Next issue:
One of VI fellow from Pakistan complain me about jaws not working in Urdu.
I checked every things. Concluded that it was a problem of localization of jaws.
I wrote to the technical chief of jaws. After my second inquiry, a
month later, he asked me to send my license number. when I gave my
purchased proof of jaws, then he requested me to send one paragraph of
Urdu text. I did instantly but Now six month has been passed, no
response. In my strong complain for no response, he confessed that the
person in charge f localization was assigned for short term and  after
the release of jaws15, he has gone. According to him, he may return
for jaws 16 and it may be consider then.

Now compare the service got by our two friends.


On 8/8/14, Bhavya shah  wrote:
> Hi.
> I have started to use NVDA more frequently these days.
> Although I have never used Window Eyes, many people were praising on a
> mailing list NVDA to be better and more responsive than Window Eyes.
> NVDA is free (even open source) so most people who have tested both
> screen readers prefer NVDA (according to what I have read).
> In terms of adjusting to different screen readers, I had read
> somewhere that there is a keyboard layout in Window Eyes that uses the
> keystrokes used by JAWS (this keyboard layout is there for easy
> migration from JAWS to Window Eyes). Is that true?
> Also, in a screen reader survey I read that Window Eyes was used by
> only 6% of screen reader users, lagging behind NVDA and JAWS.
> So it seems that Window Eyes is not used by many.
> Is there any full-time Window Eyes user on this list?
>
> On 8/7/14, Kotian, H P  wrote:
>> Hi
>> The main problem is really getting used to a particular screenreader and
>> its
>> optimised voices.
>>
>> I know of persons who have stood by Wineyes all through these years and
>> refused any other screenreaders.
>>
>> There is indeed a good learning curve involved and folks find it
>> difficult
>> to change over. I don't blame them for it.
>> But, you can certainly consider Wineyes as an excellent screenreader and
>> there is no problem migrating to it. Regarding the voices, even if were
>> to
>> spend for descent tts it would be far cheaper than buying expensive
>> screenreaders per say.
>> Harish
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Amar Jain
>> Sent: 07 August 2014 17:45
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Windows Eyes
>>
>> Good question. The only reason why I prefer Jaws over Window-Eyes is
>> because
>> of its responsiveness. May I add that in order to get your preferred
>> voice
>> such as eloquence / vocalizer, you have to pay an additional fee.
>>
>> I would say, from a casual / medium user prospective it is certainly
>> beneficial to avail this offer if you have a valid lisence for Office
>> 2010 Home Addition or above, but from the heavy user's prospective,
>> Window-Eyes still need to improve in terms of responsiveness.
>>
>> Features' wise I don't see much difference from a normal user prospective
>> between these 2 screen readers.
>>
>> One thing which impresses me about GWMicro is the ability to avail tech
>> support over phone. This is quite helpful in emergency situations.
>> Freedomscientific no longer provides international tech support over
>> phone.
>>
>> If the market of screen readers continues to function in this manner, then
>> I
>> don't see that day too far when allmost all the commercial screen readers
>> offer the same set of features. It would be interesting to see how each
>> company strategically places itself in the market for the future to come.
>> The views expressed

Re: [AI] Windows Eyes

2014-08-08 Thread Bhavya shah
Hi.
I have started to use NVDA more frequently these days.
Although I have never used Window Eyes, many people were praising on a
mailing list NVDA to be better and more responsive than Window Eyes.
NVDA is free (even open source) so most people who have tested both
screen readers prefer NVDA (according to what I have read).
In terms of adjusting to different screen readers, I had read
somewhere that there is a keyboard layout in Window Eyes that uses the
keystrokes used by JAWS (this keyboard layout is there for easy
migration from JAWS to Window Eyes). Is that true?
Also, in a screen reader survey I read that Window Eyes was used by
only 6% of screen reader users, lagging behind NVDA and JAWS.
So it seems that Window Eyes is not used by many.
Is there any full-time Window Eyes user on this list?

On 8/7/14, Kotian, H P  wrote:
> Hi
> The main problem is really getting used to a particular screenreader and its
> optimised voices.
>
> I know of persons who have stood by Wineyes all through these years and
> refused any other screenreaders.
>
> There is indeed a good learning curve involved and folks find it difficult
> to change over. I don't blame them for it.
> But, you can certainly consider Wineyes as an excellent screenreader and
> there is no problem migrating to it. Regarding the voices, even if were to
> spend for descent tts it would be far cheaper than buying expensive
> screenreaders per say.
> Harish
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Amar Jain
> Sent: 07 August 2014 17:45
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Windows Eyes
>
> Good question. The only reason why I prefer Jaws over Window-Eyes is because
> of its responsiveness. May I add that in order to get your preferred voice
> such as eloquence / vocalizer, you have to pay an additional fee.
>
> I would say, from a casual / medium user prospective it is certainly
> beneficial to avail this offer if you have a valid lisence for Office
> 2010 Home Addition or above, but from the heavy user's prospective,
> Window-Eyes still need to improve in terms of responsiveness.
>
> Features' wise I don't see much difference from a normal user prospective
> between these 2 screen readers.
>
> One thing which impresses me about GWMicro is the ability to avail tech
> support over phone. This is quite helpful in emergency situations.
> Freedomscientific no longer provides international tech support over phone.
>
> If the market of screen readers continues to function in this manner, then I
> don't see that day too far when allmost all the commercial screen readers
> offer the same set of features. It would be interesting to see how each
> company strategically places itself in the market for the future to come.
> The views expressed are personal.
> --
> Amar Jain.
> Website: www.amarjain.com
>
>
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Re: [AI] Windows Eyes

2014-08-07 Thread Kotian, H P
Hi
The main problem is really getting used to a particular screenreader and its 
optimised voices.

I know of persons who have stood by Wineyes all through these years and refused 
any other screenreaders.

There is indeed a good learning curve involved and folks find it difficult to 
change over. I don't blame them for it.
But, you can certainly consider Wineyes as an excellent screenreader and there 
is no problem migrating to it. Regarding the voices, even if were to spend for 
descent tts it would be far cheaper than buying expensive screenreaders per say.
Harish

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Amar Jain
Sent: 07 August 2014 17:45
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Windows Eyes

Good question. The only reason why I prefer Jaws over Window-Eyes is because of 
its responsiveness. May I add that in order to get your preferred voice such as 
eloquence / vocalizer, you have to pay an additional fee.

I would say, from a casual / medium user prospective it is certainly beneficial 
to avail this offer if you have a valid lisence for Office
2010 Home Addition or above, but from the heavy user's prospective, Window-Eyes 
still need to improve in terms of responsiveness.

Features' wise I don't see much difference from a normal user prospective 
between these 2 screen readers.

One thing which impresses me about GWMicro is the ability to avail tech support 
over phone. This is quite helpful in emergency situations. Freedomscientific no 
longer provides international tech support over phone.

If the market of screen readers continues to function in this manner, then I 
don't see that day too far when allmost all the commercial screen readers offer 
the same set of features. It would be interesting to see how each company 
strategically places itself in the market for the future to come. The views 
expressed are personal.
--
Amar Jain.
Website: www.amarjain.com



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Re: [AI] Windows Eyes

2014-08-07 Thread Amar Jain
Good question. The only reason why I prefer Jaws over Window-Eyes is
because of its responsiveness. May I add that in order to get your
preferred voice such as eloquence / vocalizer, you have to pay an
additional fee.

I would say, from a casual / medium user prospective it is certainly
beneficial to avail this offer if you have a valid lisence for Office
2010 Home Addition or above, but from the heavy user's prospective,
Window-Eyes still need to improve in terms of responsiveness.

Features' wise I don't see much difference from a normal user
prospective between these 2 screen readers.

One thing which impresses me about GWMicro is the ability to avail
tech support over phone. This is quite helpful in emergency
situations. Freedomscientific no longer provides international tech
support over phone.

If the market of screen readers continues to function in this manner,
then I don't see that day too far when allmost all the commercial
screen readers offer the same set of features. It would be interesting
to see how each company strategically places itself in the market for
the future to come. The views expressed are personal.
-- 
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Re: [AI] Windows Eyes

2014-08-07 Thread li...@srinivasu.org
George,
I personally never find windows eyes easy to use. Rather I'm now regular user 
of NVDA. As most of my usage is web based, I find NVDA is the best. 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | PayPal | @csrinivasu
Sent from my iPhone 5C

> On 07-Aug-2014, at 13:27, "George Abraham"  wrote:
> 
> Hi Friends and tech experts!
> 
> 
> 
> Any one used Windows Eyes? Micro Soft are giving out free with MS Office.
> Why aren't people using it? Jaws is terribly expensive. I checked with the
> vendor today and I believe that a package of Jaws will cost us Rs 69k. Why
> do you think Windows Eyes has not taken off?
> 
> 
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> CEO
> 
> Score Foundation
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [AI] Windows Eyes

2014-08-07 Thread Lilly
I can truthfully give you two reasons for that. One is, people get crack for
jaws latest versions, rather people are not having MSOffice2010 for
obtaining a free copy of window eyes. 
Smile.
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To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: [AI] Windows Eyes

Hi Friends and tech experts!

 

Any one used Windows Eyes? Micro Soft are giving out free with MS Office.
Why aren't people using it? Jaws is terribly expensive. I checked with the
vendor today and I believe that a package of Jaws will cost us Rs 69k. Why
do you think Windows Eyes has not taken off?

 

George

 

 

CEO

Score Foundation

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New Delhi 110024

Ph: 91 11 26472581,91 11 46070396

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[AI] Windows Eyes

2014-08-07 Thread George Abraham
Hi Friends and tech experts!

 

Any one used Windows Eyes? Micro Soft are giving out free with MS Office.
Why aren't people using it? Jaws is terribly expensive. I checked with the
vendor today and I believe that a package of Jaws will cost us Rs 69k. Why
do you think Windows Eyes has not taken off?

 

George

 

 

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