Re: How to check current keyword position

['Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum]

Hi Pierre,

When you ran your experiment, did you set any of the fields of 
PageOnePromotedBiddingScheme 
,
 
such as the following?

   1. *bidCeiling*
   2. *bidModifier*
   3. *bidChangesForRaisesOnly*
   4. *raiseBidWhenLowQualityScore*
   
For example, if you had *bidChangesForRaisesOnly* set to *true*, then the 
strategy might be lowering your bids, which in turn could lead to fewer 
impressions. If you had *raiseBidWhenLowQualityScore* set to *true*, you 
could see increased costs from keywords that need improvement. Check out 
the Help Center article on the bidding scheme 
 for more details.

Also, you mentioned fewer clicks. Did you also see fewer *impressions*, and 
was your AveragePosition 

 better 
or worse than when you manually manage bids?

Thanks,
Josh, AdWords API Team

On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 4:07:40 AM UTC-5, Pierre Augereau wrote:
>
> Hello Josh and thank you for your answer.
>
> Yes, I already tried to use automated bidding for few days. 
> 20% more expensive and 10% less clics on all keywords by using 
> PAGE_ONE_PROMOTED option.
>
>
> Regards
>

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Re: How to check current keyword position

[Pierre Augereau]

Hello Josh and thank you for your answer.

Yes, I already tried to use automated bidding for few days. 
20% more expensive and 10% less clics on all keywords by using 
PAGE_ONE_PROMOTED option.


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Re: How to check current keyword position

['Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum]

Hi Pierre,

Have you considered using automated bidding strategies to accomplish your 
goals? For example, the PageOnePromotedBiddingScheme 

 ("Target 
search page location") will automatically adjust your bids with the goal of 
showing your ad on the top of the page or on the first page of Google 
search results. You can read more details about the strategy in this 
AdWords Help Center article 
.

Cheers,
Josh, AdWords API Team

On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 2:53:06 AM UTC-5, Pierre Augereau wrote:
>
> It is not about predicting. It is more if you can check your position 
> periodicly, you can react as fast as you can. With a good home made sofware 
> using the API to update bid, it is not so hard !! 
> For the average position at 0, I agree, that might be considering as 
> predicting but it is not. More you check your position, faster you can 
> react.
> However, as you said in previous message, competitors can use bid 
> modifiers with time / day / gender / ... But, with good datas, good 
> historics datas, good software and a way to check anytime you want, I think 
> you can predict when some competitors starting their campaign. Anyway, it 
> is an another subject.
>
> In a period where markets act really fast, I don't understand why we do 
> not have any tools (or the possibiliy to make one) who can 'analyse' and 
> react as fast as possible ??!!! 
>
> I agree with your exemple but, and it is certainly because my english is 
> really bad, there is no targeting at all inside...
> Take 'property sale', in Paris on one spécific district, targeting end 
> user inside this location and those who make interest for this location, + 
> 10% bid on smartphone, and of course the money... Et Voila !!! You are 
> first and it's working.
>
> Obviously, we don't have the same method to work with AdWords. I'm sure 
> your method works but mine too. 
> So yes, I want to be #1 the most of time (again, with a good and specific 
> targeting) and if I can have a tool or a way to check my positions in real 
> time, I'm pretty sure to reach my goal.
>
> However, we are moving away from the original topic : 
> - Datas from MCM and API are wrong (delayed time and, for example, 
> estimated cost for top positions totaly wrong) and not accurate (average)
> - Adpreview which is working fine but, it's humainly impossible to check 
> all your keywords and your IP get blocked after, more or less, 60 calls 
> more or less
> - No way to control where your money go
>
> Thank you,
> Regards
>

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Re: How to check current keyword position

[Pierre Augereau]

It is not about predicting. It is more if you can check your position 
periodicly, you can react as fast as you can. With a good home made sofware 
using the API to update bid, it is not so hard !! 
For the average position at 0, I agree, that might be considering as 
predicting but it is not. More you check your position, faster you can 
react.
However, as you said in previous message, competitors can use bid modifiers 
with time / day / gender / ... But, with good datas, good historics datas, 
good software and a way to check anytime you want, I think you can predict 
when some competitors starting their campaign. Anyway, it is an another 
subject.

In a period where markets act really fast, I don't understand why we do not 
have any tools (or the possibiliy to make one) who can 'analyse' and react 
as fast as possible ??!!! 

I agree with your exemple but, and it is certainly because my english is 
really bad, there is no targeting at all inside...
Take 'property sale', in Paris on one spécific district, targeting end user 
inside this location and those who make interest for this location, + 10% 
bid on smartphone, and of course the money... Et Voila !!! You are first 
and it's working.

Obviously, we don't have the same method to work with AdWords. I'm sure 
your method works but mine too. 
So yes, I want to be #1 the most of time (again, with a good and specific 
targeting) and if I can have a tool or a way to check my positions in real 
time, I'm pretty sure to reach my goal.

However, we are moving away from the original topic : 
- Datas from MCM and API are wrong (delayed time and, for example, 
estimated cost for top positions totaly wrong) and not accurate (average)
- Adpreview which is working fine but, it's humainly impossible to check 
all your keywords and your IP get blocked after, more or less, 60 calls 
more or less
- No way to control where your money go

Thank you,
Regards

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Re: How to check current keyword position

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So it is about predicting the positions of your ads. You should realize 
that for every Google search, Google organizes an auction among all AdWords 
accounts. All qualifying accounts (which actually bid on that keyword or a 
variation, do not have that keyword excluded, got language settings right, 
with remaining budget etc.etc.) offer a bid.
Based on all bids and accompanying quality scores Google selects the top 
five or ten bids and shows their ads.

Now between two requests a lot can happen, eg. an account runs out of 
budget, an ad gets disapproved, a group is disabled by its campaign manager 
etc. In other words you cannot predict the next results.

About different users will not see the same ads: This is about bid 
modifiers! I am sure that users from Australia and US will get completely 
different ads when they look for "mortgage". In different cities you will 
get different results for "restaurant". You get the idea. You may say that 
your account does not use bid modifiers, but that does not mean that your 
competitors won't. In the end your ad positions will be affected by the bid 
modifiers of your competitors.

So, what do you do? Maybe trying to be #1 in every situation is not the 
best strategy after all, and you may like to look at different metrics. 
Consider taking that discussion to a generic AdWords forum.



On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 5:02:15 PM UTC+1, Pierre Augereau wrote:
>
> Hello and thank you for your answer and time
>
> You are right, I want to check my keywords rank (position) to automaticly 
> adjust BID by using the API.
>
> I understand that the keyword cost can be different by gender, location, 
>  
> But, how to test each possibilty ? Because, I think the only one 'offical 
> tool' is AdPreview and you can not put all that possibilities to run some 
> test ? 
> So, Google can do whatever it wants and nobody can check where is going 
> our money ?? 
> ... 
> ... 
> I'm kidding... Maybe not :p 
>
> When you say that not every end users gets the same ads, I not fully agree 
> with you. With the good keyword and the good targeting (ex : Location +  
> computers device Bid + 10 % for smartphone device), I assure you that every 
> one will have your annonce ;) 
> But, one more time, it is not working for every keywords.
>
> Our campaing are targeting for ours clients needs. So we know location, 
> gender kind and device type we need to target. Also, we check frequently 
> ours annonces to be sure they have and keep the best quality scores 
> possible. 
> Of course, a competitor can raised his cost on a specific device and be 
> better than us ! That's the game.
> But, if a competitor wants to have a fight in my target area, it seems to 
> be fair that I am the first to know and I can decide if I want to fight 
> back or not ? However, at this moment, I will know it maybe one hour 
> later... Can you imagine how many clics I will lose even if I have the 
> money to directly put back my keyword in top positons by using Bid 
> modifiers with the Api ?? 
> About Bid modifier : As you certainly know, if you have a bid at 20€ on a 
> keyword and your closest competitor (in second position) have put 10 €, 
> Google will take you around 12€ by clic. But if you can check your 
> position, you can also decrease your bid to be in the right position with 
> the right price and just set a bid 10.10 € (1.90 € money saved by clic)
>
>
>
> About the average positons at 0, I know that is because those keywords do 
> not have impression yet. 
> But, again, it seems to be fair that I could know if I will be in a good 
> rank on the first impression (I do not talk about Shopping result of 
> course) 
>
> Thank you again,
> Regards
>

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Re: How to check current keyword position

[Pierre Augereau]

Hello and thank you for your answer and time

You are right, I want to check my keywords rank (position) to automaticly 
adjust BID by using the API.

I understand that the keyword cost can be different by gender, location, 
 
But, how to test each possibilty ? Because, I think the only one 'offical 
tool' is AdPreview and you can not put all that possibilities to run some 
test ? 
So, Google can do whatever it wants and nobody can check where is going our 
money ?? 
... 
... 
I'm kidding... Maybe not :p 

When you say that not every end users gets the same ads, I not fully agree 
with you. With the good keyword and the good targeting (ex : Location +  
computers device Bid + 10 % for smartphone device), I assure you that every 
one will have your annonce ;) 
But, one more time, it is not working for every keywords.

Our campaing are targeting for ours clients needs. So we know location, 
gender kind and device type we need to target. Also, we check frequently 
ours annonces to be sure they have and keep the best quality scores 
possible. 
Of course, a competitor can raised his cost on a specific device and be 
better than us ! That's the game.
But, if a competitor wants to have a fight in my target area, it seems to 
be fair that I am the first to know and I can decide if I want to fight 
back or not ? However, at this moment, I will know it maybe one hour 
later... Can you imagine how many clics I will lose even if I have the 
money to directly put back my keyword in top positons by using Bid 
modifiers with the Api ?? 
About Bid modifier : As you certainly know, if you have a bid at 20€ on a 
keyword and your closest competitor (in second position) have put 10 €, 
Google will take you around 12€ by clic. But if you can check your 
position, you can also decrease your bid to be in the right position with 
the right price and just set a bid 10.10 € (1.90 € money saved by clic)



About the average positons at 0, I know that is because those keywords do 
not have impression yet. 
But, again, it seems to be fair that I could know if I will be in a good 
rank on the first impression (I do not talk about Shopping result of 
course) 

Thank you again,
Regards

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Re: How to check current keyword position

[Zweitze]

I understand that you want to see which keywords rank high, and which not?

I doubt you can get what you want. After all, your positions depend not 
only on your quality score and bid, but also on the quality score and bids 
of your competitor.

But more important: Do you realize that not every end user gets the same 
ads? Bid modifiers play an important rule here.
Assume one of your competitors sets a bid modifier on gender, eg. for women 
your competitor bids 300% of the original bid. Because of that, it is quite 
more likely that his ad will rank higher when a lady searches on that word. 
So, if you want to see how your keyword ranks, make sure for both men and 
women, and unknown (where Google doesn't know the gender of the user).
But that's not all. Say another competitor has an ad for an app install, 
and therefore only bids on mobile devices. So he sets a bid modifier on 
device type. So, apparently the device type is also an important factor on 
the ranking of your ads. Make sure you test all device types on which you 
can set a bid modifier. In fact you should test all possible combinations 
of gender and device type.
But that's not enough. You can also set bid modifiers on location. Not all 
locations are supported, you can only set bid modifiers for a few thousand 
locations.

You get the idea? You may think that all this doesn't apply to you because 
you don't use bid modifiers, but remember that your competitors may use 
them.

And that's not all, you can also set bid modifiers on time of day (or day 
of week). So if you notice a sudden drop or rise, it may be because one of 
your competitors used a bid modifier starting the past hour. And AdWords 
still knows more different bid modifiers...


You may want to rethink what you intend to achieve.


In your starting post you also mentioned the average position was sometimes 
0. I have two different explanations for this:

   1. Results on the display network. Google can't really determine where 
   your ad was visible on the external website so they just report 0.
   2. Shopping results. In Google shopping users can change the ordering 
   (eg. by price, alphabetically on name etc.) meaning you don't have a real 
   position.




On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 2:32:57 PM UTC+1, Pierre Augereau wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Thank you for your time and for this sharing.
>
> But for now I'm still stuck and no way to keep working correctly... 
> As I saw on all forums, just the fact to want to ask 'keywords position in 
> real time' seems to be the Devil himself :o :o 
> In ours previous messages, we agreed on that MCM and reports from API are 
> not accurates because there is delayed time (more or less important). So 
> how to be reactif if I can not know where I am on Google Search on a 
> specific time ?
> Morover, an average position is also not accurate because it is an 
> average. Example : 
> - 1 hour and 10 impressions with positions 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2 => 
> avr = 1,5 but those positions are good
> - 1 hour and 10 impressions with positions 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 7 => 
> avr = also 1,5 but even 1 hour later (with delayed time), you do not know 
> that your keyword is gone from the top of the first page !
> And I don't talk about keyword with no impression who have an average at 
> 0.0... just need to wait the first impression and whish good luck to the 
> keyword to be in a good position with the good price ?
>
> At least, is there any way to automatcly interrogate 'Google Search' or 
> 'Google AdPreview' to check my own keywords ??
> And yes, I said automaticly because check thousands keywords, except to 
> have an army of people, is humainly impossible.
>
> Thank you again 
> But please, give me a solution.
>

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Re: How to check current keyword position

[Pierre Augereau]

Hello,

Thank you for your time and for this sharing.

But for now I'm still stuck and no way to keep working correctly... 
As I saw on all forums, just the fact to want to ask 'keywords position in 
real time' seems to be the Devil himself :o :o 
In ours previous messages, we agreed on that MCM and reports from API are 
not accurates because there is delayed time (more or less important). So 
how to be reactif if I can not know where I am on Google Search on a 
specific time ?
Morover, an average position is also not accurate because it is an average. 
Example : 
- 1 hour and 10 impressions with positions 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2 => 
avr = 1,5 but those positions are good
- 1 hour and 10 impressions with positions 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 7 => 
avr = also 1,5 but even 1 hour later (with delayed time), you do not know 
that your keyword is gone from the top of the first page !
And I don't talk about keyword with no impression who have an average at 
0.0... just need to wait the first impression and whish good luck to the 
keyword to be in a good position with the good price ?

At least, is there any way to automatcly interrogate 'Google Search' or 
'Google AdPreview' to check my own keywords ??
And yes, I said automaticly because check thousands keywords, except to 
have an army of people, is humainly impossible.

Thank you again 
But please, give me a solution.

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Re: How to check current keyword position

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Hello, 

I will share your feedback with the team so that they can explore on any 
other possibilities for reporting this data. Please keep an eye out on our 
blog  for more information on any 
upcoming releases or announcements. 

Regards,
Bharani, AdWords API Team

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 9:55:39 AM UTC-5, Pierre Augereau wrote:
>
> Good Morning every one,
>
> I have an issue with datas from MCM and the Api. 
> With many keywords the average position and the estimate cost to be in the 
> first page top, are not accurate.
> I'm in first position with some keywords but the estimate cost to be in 
> the first page top is almost twice higther than my actual cost.
> And there is also the same problem in reverse way (the cost to be first is 
> much more higther than the estimate one). 
> So, I tried to used average position (in MCM and API) but, it's clearly 
> not relevant because, it's just an average... 
> Morever, as it said on the MCM bottom, 'Reports are not generated in real 
> time. As a result, clicks and impressions in the last three hours may not 
> have been counted' and that's applied to average position too.
> Well, an average position from three hours late is not really helpfull to 
> react in real time and set right cost for a keyword.
> Also, have an average position equal to '0.0'... What does it mean ?? How 
> do I know if my keyword is in right place with '0.0' ?? Maybe, my keyword 
> is at the top of the first page, above the search bar ?? 
> As i said before, I have those strange data from MCM and API.
> I also tried to let 'Google' managed costs in automatic way... 20% more 
> expensive and 10% less hit on all keywords... Not working either
>
> As mommy always said : Trust does not exclude control ! 
> So I used AdPreview to know where are my keywords... Just a few thousands 
> keywords to check few times in a day... Such a great day is coming :/ 
> Anyway, first call to AdPreview, OK. second, OK 40th call still OK 
>  50th call still... wait for it... Oh my !!! An error 'Unusual traffic 
> from your computer network' !! 
> I resolve the reCaptcha and I keep going to check my keywords. After 10 
> more calls, reCaptcha again with a lot images to solved... really a lot -_- 
> Here we go again to check my keywords... Not so long because 2 more calls 
> a new error raised : 'We're sorry... but your query looks similar to 
> automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect 
> our users, we can't process your request right now...'
> Ok... One hour later, still same message :s But don't worry I have many 
> associates !! First associate, after almost 60 calls, IP burned too... 
> Second one, same punishment... 10th associate... Well I do not have anymore 
> associate :o 
>
> To resume, I'm stuck with datas wich are not accurates from MCM and API, 
> at least 10 IPs burned and no way to check my own keywords positions... Not 
> really a good day after all :/
> So, what is the way to check all my keywords positions, few times a day 
> without burned all my IPs and all my time ??
> Or do you have a service / API (free or not) to manage this kind of 
> checking ? 
>
> Thank you in advance ! 
>

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Re: How to check current keyword position

[Pierre Augereau]

Hello and thank you for your answers.

In most cases reports are delayed by less than three hours : I agree wit 
you but not for all datas. When you have some ads, with false clicks for 
example, even 5 hours after ending campaign many datas still changing...
Morever, for some keywords, I have to raise their cost a lot to stay at the 
top of the first page when concurrents launch their campaign. 
How I can be reactiv and professionnal if I can not control my own 
positions on my own keywords ?? 
By the way, to have a true and clean report, I almost need to call the 
'yesterday' reports at 08 am... Even if I was Marty McFly with my Delorean, 
it seems to be complicated...

About the average position at zero, it is definitly because there is no 
impressions associated whit that keywords. 
But, in that case, how can be sure that my keywords are in the good 
positions with the right prices for the first user who will make an 
impression with that keyword ??

But something disturb me : After to saw a lot posts on this forum and 
others Goole forums, I'm not the only one to ask a way to have positions on 
real time.
At this time, there is no tool to do that and obviously, Google does not 
want to share this datas with their users who put some money on thoses 
keywords. 
My bad, it exist a way, AdPreview but, it's humanly impossible to check 
thousands keywords every days... And most of all if IPs address are burned 
after few calls
I understand that Google does not want 'scrapping tools' to retrieve datas 
from their sites but, as we pay for those keywords, those keywords are also 
ours and we have the right to acceed at their datas at anytime.
If I said that, it's beacause we pay for a service and, except for pray 
that service works fine, no one have a way to control those datas until 
almost day + 1 ?? Is that right ? 

I will also post this question on the Advertisers community forum.

Again, thank you for your answers,
Best regards.

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Re: How to check current keyword position

['Bharani Cherukuri (AdWords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum]

Hello, 

As you mentioned, the report stats in AdWords are not real time and in most 
cases they are delayed by less than three hours. It is not possible to get 
the stats real time. If your reports have average position as zero, there 
will most likely be no impressions associated with that keywords. Please 
check a similar post 

 on the product forum for reference. If that is not the case, could you 
share a sample AdGroupId and the KeywordId where you have this issue? 

Unfortunately, the only way to get stats via API is using the reports. 
Regarding your questions about AdPreview tool, could you please post on the 
Advertisers 
community forum 
 
and 
the product experts there might be able to guide you better. 

Regards,
Bharani, AdWords API Team

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 9:55:39 AM UTC-5, Pierre Augereau wrote:
>
> Good Morning every one,
>
> I have an issue with datas from MCM and the Api. 
> With many keywords the average position and the estimate cost to be in the 
> first page top, are not accurate.
> I'm in first position with some keywords but the estimate cost to be in 
> the first page top is almost twice higther than my actual cost.
> And there is also the same problem in reverse way (the cost to be first is 
> much more higther than the estimate one). 
> So, I tried to used average position (in MCM and API) but, it's clearly 
> not relevant because, it's just an average... 
> Morever, as it said on the MCM bottom, 'Reports are not generated in real 
> time. As a result, clicks and impressions in the last three hours may not 
> have been counted' and that's applied to average position too.
> Well, an average position from three hours late is not really helpfull to 
> react in real time and set right cost for a keyword.
> Also, have an average position equal to '0.0'... What does it mean ?? How 
> do I know if my keyword is in right place with '0.0' ?? Maybe, my keyword 
> is at the top of the first page, above the search bar ?? 
> As i said before, I have those strange data from MCM and API.
> I also tried to let 'Google' managed costs in automatic way... 20% more 
> expensive and 10% less hit on all keywords... Not working either
>
> As mommy always said : Trust does not exclude control ! 
> So I used AdPreview to know where are my keywords... Just a few thousands 
> keywords to check few times in a day... Such a great day is coming :/ 
> Anyway, first call to AdPreview, OK. second, OK 40th call still OK 
>  50th call still... wait for it... Oh my !!! An error 'Unusual traffic 
> from your computer network' !! 
> I resolve the reCaptcha and I keep going to check my keywords. After 10 
> more calls, reCaptcha again with a lot images to solved... really a lot -_- 
> Here we go again to check my keywords... Not so long because 2 more calls 
> a new error raised : 'We're sorry... but your query looks similar to 
> automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect 
> our users, we can't process your request right now...'
> Ok... One hour later, still same message :s But don't worry I have many 
> associates !! First associate, after almost 60 calls, IP burned too... 
> Second one, same punishment... 10th associate... Well I do not have anymore 
> associate :o 
>
> To resume, I'm stuck with datas wich are not accurates from MCM and API, 
> at least 10 IPs burned and no way to check my own keywords positions... Not 
> really a good day after all :/
> So, what is the way to check all my keywords positions, few times a day 
> without burned all my IPs and all my time ??
> Or do you have a service / API (free or not) to manage this kind of 
> checking ? 
>
> Thank you in advance ! 
>

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How to check current keyword position

[Pierre Augereau]

Good Morning every one,

I have an issue with datas from MCM and the Api. 
With many keywords the average position and the estimate cost to be in the 
first page top, are not accurate.
I'm in first position with some keywords but the estimate cost to be in the 
first page top is almost twice higther than my actual cost.
And there is also the same problem in reverse way (the cost to be first is 
much more higther than the estimate one). 
So, I tried to used average position (in MCM and API) but, it's clearly not 
relevant because, it's just an average... 
Morever, as it said on the MCM bottom, 'Reports are not generated in real 
time. As a result, clicks and impressions in the last three hours may not 
have been counted' and that's applied to average position too.
Well, an average position from three hours late is not really helpfull to 
react in real time and set right cost for a keyword.
Also, have an average position equal to '0.0'... What does it mean ?? How 
do I know if my keyword is in right place with '0.0' ?? Maybe, my keyword 
is at the top of the first page, above the search bar ?? 
As i said before, I have those strange data from MCM and API.
I also tried to let 'Google' managed costs in automatic way... 20% more 
expensive and 10% less hit on all keywords... Not working either

As mommy always said : Trust does not exclude control ! 
So I used AdPreview to know where are my keywords... Just a few thousands 
keywords to check few times in a day... Such a great day is coming :/ 
Anyway, first call to AdPreview, OK. second, OK 40th call still OK  
50th call still... wait for it... Oh my !!! An error 'Unusual traffic from 
your computer network' !! 
I resolve the reCaptcha and I keep going to check my keywords. After 10 
more calls, reCaptcha again with a lot images to solved... really a lot -_- 
Here we go again to check my keywords... Not so long because 2 more calls a 
new error raised : 'We're sorry... but your query looks similar to 
automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect 
our users, we can't process your request right now...'
Ok... One hour later, still same message :s But don't worry I have many 
associates !! First associate, after almost 60 calls, IP burned too... 
Second one, same punishment... 10th associate... Well I do not have anymore 
associate :o 

To resume, I'm stuck with datas wich are not accurates from MCM and API, at 
least 10 IPs burned and no way to check my own keywords positions... Not 
really a good day after all :/
So, what is the way to check all my keywords positions, few times a day 
without burned all my IPs and all my time ??
Or do you have a service / API (free or not) to manage this kind of 
checking ? 

Thank you in advance ! 

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