Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

[Darin Steffl]

Yes I meant for all new routers deployed to be Calix. And if/when you see
issues with current routers, upgrade them to Calix. We had about 350
cnpilot routers in the field and we're down to 120 left to migrate. You can
go as fast or slow as you want to.

You should find the Calix has much better coverage than the Mimosa g2 and
other cheap routers. I've heard Amplifi has good range so I would expect
the Calix to perform similar to that or better.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 4:28 PM David Coudron  Thanks for the offer of help Darin, we may take you up on that.Our
> head is kind of in the same place, but with so many routers already bought
> and paid for, it is a really big investment to make if the management part
> of our current routers isn’t currently killing us.   However, there is a
> pretty strong case to be made for all new ones to be Calix if this works
> out OK.   Problem is, we have 70 Mimosa G2s sitting in inventory….. ☹
>
>
>
> We do charge a $10/month equipment fee.   That includes the managed router
> and the time to support it.   I think we are OK there, but the extra $80 a
> router is quite a bit of additional upfront costs per customer.   Nothing
> that can’t be justified if life gets a heck of lot easier though, but I
> think our current support calls are more about in house coverage and less
> about router setup/management issues.
>
>
>
> I may reach out to you offline if that is OK.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2018 3:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi
>
>
>
> David,
>
>
>
> I highly recommend if your testing goes well with Calix (It should or ask
> us for help), that you choose them for every Managed Router deployment. My
> head would explode if I had to manage Mikrotik, Calix, Mimosa, Cambium,
> Amplif routers instead of just Calix like we do today.
>
>
>
> We want a router that performs well in every home and for the 10% of
> larger homes that have coverage issues, one 804Mesh is always enough to
> cover everything fully. I'd recommend you tailor your plans so that every
> customer chooses the Managed Router by either offering some promotion to
> make it a no-brainer choice. We include it for $0 monthly and charge just a
> $50 setup. We warranty it as long as they're a customer and if they cancel,
> we still own the router so they have to return it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 11:28 AM David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
> We are looking at this more and trying to make a decision which way we’d
> like to proceed for larger homes.   We use the Mimosa G2 block on every
> deployment today, but there are some limiting factors in larger home
> deployments.   We may not have been doing things correctly, but using the
> wireless repeater mode cuts the bandwidth of the wireless network in
> half.   We know that we can use a wired connection to extend the range, but
> in most deployments, that is more wiring than is easy or feasible to do at
> a moderate cost.   Additionally the G2 is only 2.4 GHz.   We like this
> unit, but it just doesn’t feel like a good solution for large homes.
>
>
>
> We also use Mikrotik Hap ac2 in our non-Mimosa deployments, or in
> situations where the customer needs more than one ethernet port.   That
> works pretty well, but doesn’t give any mesh extension capabilities.   We
> have messed around with SSID sharing/mesh type settings in the Mikrotik to
> hook more than one up, but not sure that this is as stable as we’d like.
> We also aren’t able to see the other nodes very well, but we might not be
> doing something correct.
>
>
>
> We have a pretty good test bed at my house.   Internet comes into the
> utility room on the basement floor, and needs to cover about 6000 square
> feet on three different floors.   We previously used a regular router
> (Mikrotik Hap ac2) at the connection point and wired extenders in the upper
> floor.   Coverage was spotty at parts of the upper floor and pretty spotty
> in the middle floor.   As a test we got the Ubiquiti Amplifi product and
> were able to verify significantly better coverage as well as throughput of
> >400 Mbps from the farthest end of the house to the connection point.
> Much, much better than the wired extender did.We also tried the Netgear
> Orbi and saw results that were pretty similar.   The mesh stuff definitely
> works.
>
>
>
> The Ubiquiti Amplifi product was pretty impressive, much more so than
> their regular Nano gear, etc.   The equipment looks impressive, the
> software is quick and well designed, and the things is super simple to get
> running.   Far more impressive than normal Mikrotik software interface
> stuff (we use Mikrotik for all our infrastructure as well as some of the
> customer routers).   We’d be all over this as a solution, except that the
> only remote management they have is using Facebook or Google 

Re: [AFMUG] Battery charger + load

[Ken Hohhof]

Lots of cool looking stuff on that page.  But didn’t Chuck say he wanted to run 
an RV space heater off this 12V?  That sounds like a bunch of watts.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 6:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Bill Prince 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery charger + load

 

http://www.mini-box.com/picoUPS-100-12V-DC-micro-UPS-system-battery-backup-system?sc=8
 

 =1264

 

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:15 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Yep, that is what I am looking for, but it sure isn’t cheap is it.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:51 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com  
 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery charger + load

 

I think the ones you're thinking about have "BCM" in the model number (for 
Battery Charge Monitor or something like that).

Most of the ones I know about are made by Altech or Phoenix Contact, or a few 
others.

Finding one that works for 12VDC is a bit of an odd duck; we are almost always 
looking for 24VDC or 48VDC. I did a little poking around and found this one 
from Altech that does 12VDC. Key thing to look for is "DC UPS".

https://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-cbi123a/70236424/

bp

 

On 12/27/2018 4:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I know it has been mentioned many times before, but I cannot remember if it is 
a Meanwell product or not.

 

In my splicing trailer, I have a nice 12 volt DC fuse panel in addition to the 
120/240 panel.

 

The 12 volts runs LED overhead interior lights, porch light, furnace (I bought 
the one Bill recommended) and the trailer break-away brake circuit.  

 

I want a DIN rail mount charger rectifier.  

I believe there is one that has charging terminals that limit battery charging 
current as well as load terminals that are not limited.

 

Seems like there was a BC in the part number.  Too lazy to try to figure out 
the archive.  

And I don’t recall any specific keyword stuff to make the search easy. 

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Battery charger + load

[TJ Trout]

http://www.mini-box.com/picoUPS-100-12V-DC-micro-UPS-system-battery-backup-system?sc=8=1264

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:15 AM  wrote:

> Yep, that is what I am looking for, but it sure isn’t cheap is it.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery charger + load
>
>
> I think the ones you're thinking about have "BCM" in the model number (for
> Battery Charge Monitor or something like that).
>
> Most of the ones I know about are made by Altech or Phoenix Contact, or a
> few others.
>
> Finding one that works for 12VDC is a bit of an odd duck; we are almost
> always looking for 24VDC or 48VDC. I did a little poking around and found
> this one from Altech that does 12VDC. Key thing to look for is "DC UPS".
>
> https://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-cbi123a/70236424/
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/27/2018 4:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I know it has been mentioned many times before, but I cannot remember if
> it is a Meanwell product or not.
>
> In my splicing trailer, I have a nice 12 volt DC fuse panel in addition to
> the 120/240 panel.
>
> The 12 volts runs LED overhead interior lights, porch light, furnace (I
> bought the one Bill recommended) and the trailer break-away brake circuit.
>
> I want a DIN rail mount charger rectifier.
> I believe there is one that has charging terminals that limit battery
> charging current as well as load terminals that are not limited.
>
> Seems like there was a BC in the part number.  Too lazy to try to figure
> out the archive.
> And I don’t recall any specific keyword stuff to make the search easy.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's

[Mathew Howard]

No, ePMP 3000 is 5ghz only.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 5:12 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> in 2.4 ghz too?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2018 11:25 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's
>
> I've only used sync on the 2.4ghz Rockets, but it seems to work reasonably
> well.
>
> But if it's a question of more capacity, ePMP 3000 should be available any
> day now, and it should be capable of a lot more than UBNT AC...
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 10:31 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure how well sync in working on the Ubiquiti AC gear these days,
>> maybe someone else will chime in. Might want to look at ePMP as well.
>>
>> On Friday, December 28, 2018, Alex Davidson  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is our first deployment of the UBNT Rocket Prism (AC gen 2) 5GHz.
>>> We are looking for 4- 90 degree sectors to place on a tower and wanted to
>>> know what is the highest capacity product out there to do so. What are some
>>> of the pros & cons to these products? What is everyone else using, what is
>>> working and what is not working?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

in 2.4 ghz too?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mathew Howard 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 11:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's


  I've only used sync on the 2.4ghz Rockets, but it seems to work reasonably 
well.


  But if it's a question of more capacity, ePMP 3000 should be available any 
day now, and it should be capable of a lot more than UBNT AC...


  On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 10:31 AM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I'm not sure how well sync in working on the Ubiquiti AC gear these days, 
maybe someone else will chime in. Might want to look at ePMP as well.

On Friday, December 28, 2018, Alex Davidson  wrote:

  Hey guys,



  This is our first deployment of the UBNT Rocket Prism (AC gen 2) 5GHz. We 
are looking for 4- 90 degree sectors to place on a tower and wanted to know 
what is the highest capacity product out there to do so. What are some of the 
pros & cons to these products? What is everyone else using, what is working and 
what is not working?



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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's

[Ryan Ray]

I'd be interested to see https://mimosa.co/product/n5-45 hooked up to an
emp3000

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 9:27 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I've only used sync on the 2.4ghz Rockets, but it seems to work reasonably
> well.
>
> But if it's a question of more capacity, ePMP 3000 should be available any
> day now, and it should be capable of a lot more than UBNT AC...
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 10:31 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure how well sync in working on the Ubiquiti AC gear these days,
>> maybe someone else will chime in. Might want to look at ePMP as well.
>>
>> On Friday, December 28, 2018, Alex Davidson  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is our first deployment of the UBNT Rocket Prism (AC gen 2) 5GHz.
>>> We are looking for 4- 90 degree sectors to place on a tower and wanted to
>>> know what is the highest capacity product out there to do so. What are some
>>> of the pros & cons to these products? What is everyone else using, what is
>>> working and what is not working?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

[David Coudron]

Thanks for the offer of help Darin, we may take you up on that.Our head is 
kind of in the same place, but with so many routers already bought and paid 
for, it is a really big investment to make if the management part of our 
current routers isn’t currently killing us.   However, there is a pretty strong 
case to be made for all new ones to be Calix if this works out OK.   Problem 
is, we have 70 Mimosa G2s sitting in inventory….. ☹

We do charge a $10/month equipment fee.   That includes the managed router and 
the time to support it.   I think we are OK there, but the extra $80 a router 
is quite a bit of additional upfront costs per customer.   Nothing that can’t 
be justified if life gets a heck of lot easier though, but I think our current 
support calls are more about in house coverage and less about router 
setup/management issues.

I may reach out to you offline if that is OK.

Regards,

David Coudron



From: AF  On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 3:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

David,

I highly recommend if your testing goes well with Calix (It should or ask us 
for help), that you choose them for every Managed Router deployment. My head 
would explode if I had to manage Mikrotik, Calix, Mimosa, Cambium, Amplif 
routers instead of just Calix like we do today.

We want a router that performs well in every home and for the 10% of larger 
homes that have coverage issues, one 804Mesh is always enough to cover 
everything fully. I'd recommend you tailor your plans so that every customer 
chooses the Managed Router by either offering some promotion to make it a 
no-brainer choice. We include it for $0 monthly and charge just a $50 setup. We 
warranty it as long as they're a customer and if they cancel, we still own the 
router so they have to return it.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 11:28 AM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
We are looking at this more and trying to make a decision which way we’d like 
to proceed for larger homes.   We use the Mimosa G2 block on every deployment 
today, but there are some limiting factors in larger home deployments.   We may 
not have been doing things correctly, but using the wireless repeater mode cuts 
the bandwidth of the wireless network in half.   We know that we can use a 
wired connection to extend the range, but in most deployments, that is more 
wiring than is easy or feasible to do at a moderate cost.   Additionally the G2 
is only 2.4 GHz.   We like this unit, but it just doesn’t feel like a good 
solution for large homes.

We also use Mikrotik Hap ac2 in our non-Mimosa deployments, or in situations 
where the customer needs more than one ethernet port.   That works pretty well, 
but doesn’t give any mesh extension capabilities.   We have messed around with 
SSID sharing/mesh type settings in the Mikrotik to hook more than one up, but 
not sure that this is as stable as we’d like.   We also aren’t able to see the 
other nodes very well, but we might not be doing something correct.

We have a pretty good test bed at my house.   Internet comes into the utility 
room on the basement floor, and needs to cover about 6000 square feet on three 
different floors.   We previously used a regular router (Mikrotik Hap ac2) at 
the connection point and wired extenders in the upper floor.   Coverage was 
spotty at parts of the upper floor and pretty spotty in the middle floor.   As 
a test we got the Ubiquiti Amplifi product and were able to verify 
significantly better coverage as well as throughput of >400 Mbps from the 
farthest end of the house to the connection point.   Much, much better than the 
wired extender did.We also tried the Netgear Orbi and saw results that were 
pretty similar.   The mesh stuff definitely works.

The Ubiquiti Amplifi product was pretty impressive, much more so than their 
regular Nano gear, etc.   The equipment looks impressive, the software is quick 
and well designed, and the things is super simple to get running.   Far more 
impressive than normal Mikrotik software interface stuff (we use Mikrotik for 
all our infrastructure as well as some of the customer routers).   We’d be all 
over this as a solution, except that the only remote management they have is 
using Facebook or Google accounts, and you can’t do this by IP address.   
Pretty much a deal breaker for us.

The Netgear Orbi product is about what you’d expect.  Same interface as all 
their routers, hardware is pretty well done, but nothing special.  Again, 
pretty easy to hook up.   Big thing is that it has remote management and that 
seems to give us access to everything we’d want from the testing that we did.   
It is pretty expensive though, but that doesn’t scare us away as we are asking 
customers to buy this equipment for those that have larger houses.   Although 
it does have Remote Management, the Orbi doesn’t allow for a Provider login and 
a customer 

Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[Ken Hohhof]

Also I read somewhere that thermal-magnetic breakers have different trip 
characteristics at DC vs 60 Hz vs 400 Hz.  The magnetic trip part is what 
changes.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 1:08 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

 

Yeah, I have had this exact thing bite me in the butt before.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 11:00 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

 

I prefer to use 2-pole breakers for the batteries. Often, single-pole breakers 
are polarity sensitive, and since the batteries are both a source and a sink, 
the polarity will reverse depending.

 

bp

 

On 12/28/2018 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Carling is another manufacturer of DC breakers.

 

The Altech V-EA series (part numbers end in UM) are rated 80VDC for the lower 
amp ratings and 42VDC for the higher amp ratings.  They are actually made by 
Sursum, in Germany maybe, and are sturdier than other Altech breakers.  For 
high current applications, like protecting large battery strings, I use a dual 
pole breaker for both sides of the batteries, this increases the DC voltage 
rating because you are interrupting the current in 2 places at once.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 10:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

 

We get breakers that are specifically DC rated for the current we need. If they 
are DC rated, they will also indicate the maximum operating voltage (typically 
48 volts) but you sometimes see higher voltages. Just be sure the ones you get 
are rated above the voltage you'll be using them at. 2X is a good place.

 

bp

 

On 12/28/2018 7:37 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Do you generally size these about double the expected load? 

 

I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still be 
effective?










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Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

[Darin Steffl]

David,

I highly recommend if your testing goes well with Calix (It should or ask
us for help), that you choose them for every Managed Router deployment. My
head would explode if I had to manage Mikrotik, Calix, Mimosa, Cambium,
Amplif routers instead of just Calix like we do today.

We want a router that performs well in every home and for the 10% of larger
homes that have coverage issues, one 804Mesh is always enough to cover
everything fully. I'd recommend you tailor your plans so that every
customer chooses the Managed Router by either offering some promotion to
make it a no-brainer choice. We include it for $0 monthly and charge just a
$50 setup. We warranty it as long as they're a customer and if they cancel,
we still own the router so they have to return it.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 11:28 AM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We are looking at this more and trying to make a decision which way we’d
> like to proceed for larger homes.   We use the Mimosa G2 block on every
> deployment today, but there are some limiting factors in larger home
> deployments.   We may not have been doing things correctly, but using the
> wireless repeater mode cuts the bandwidth of the wireless network in
> half.   We know that we can use a wired connection to extend the range, but
> in most deployments, that is more wiring than is easy or feasible to do at
> a moderate cost.   Additionally the G2 is only 2.4 GHz.   We like this
> unit, but it just doesn’t feel like a good solution for large homes.
>
>
>
> We also use Mikrotik Hap ac2 in our non-Mimosa deployments, or in
> situations where the customer needs more than one ethernet port.   That
> works pretty well, but doesn’t give any mesh extension capabilities.   We
> have messed around with SSID sharing/mesh type settings in the Mikrotik to
> hook more than one up, but not sure that this is as stable as we’d like.
> We also aren’t able to see the other nodes very well, but we might not be
> doing something correct.
>
>
>
> We have a pretty good test bed at my house.   Internet comes into the
> utility room on the basement floor, and needs to cover about 6000 square
> feet on three different floors.   We previously used a regular router
> (Mikrotik Hap ac2) at the connection point and wired extenders in the upper
> floor.   Coverage was spotty at parts of the upper floor and pretty spotty
> in the middle floor.   As a test we got the Ubiquiti Amplifi product and
> were able to verify significantly better coverage as well as throughput of
> >400 Mbps from the farthest end of the house to the connection point.
> Much, much better than the wired extender did.We also tried the Netgear
> Orbi and saw results that were pretty similar.   The mesh stuff definitely
> works.
>
>
>
> The Ubiquiti Amplifi product was pretty impressive, much more so than
> their regular Nano gear, etc.   The equipment looks impressive, the
> software is quick and well designed, and the things is super simple to get
> running.   Far more impressive than normal Mikrotik software interface
> stuff (we use Mikrotik for all our infrastructure as well as some of the
> customer routers).   We’d be all over this as a solution, except that the
> only remote management they have is using Facebook or Google accounts, and
> you can’t do this by IP address.   Pretty much a deal breaker for us.
>
>
>
> The Netgear Orbi product is about what you’d expect.  Same interface as
> all their routers, hardware is pretty well done, but nothing special.
> Again, pretty easy to hook up.   Big thing is that it has remote management
> and that seems to give us access to everything we’d want from the testing
> that we did.   It is pretty expensive though, but that doesn’t scare us
> away as we are asking customers to buy this equipment for those that have
> larger houses.   Although it does have Remote Management, the Orbi doesn’t
> allow for a Provider login and a customer login like we do with the
> Mikrtoiks.   We really like this because we can manage the router for the
> customer, but still give them access to change SSID id and password, do
> some port forwarding, etc.
>
>
>
> We have some Calix stuff headed our way to try out.   From talking to
> folks, we expect it will do very well with the management side of things.
> I expect the performance to me more on the lines of the Ubiquiti Amplifi
> since there isn’t a dedicated backhaul/mesh radio band used, but we’ll see
> when we put it to the test.   The biggest concern I have with the Calix
> stuff, is that it becomes a much larger decision.  Instead of just buying a
> few of these for the large houses, you have to buy the cloud service and
> commit to a whole new brand and management platform.   One of the nice
> features of the Calix stuff though is that you can buy the same main router
> for every installation and just add the mesh units where needed.   A
> drawback of the Calix and the Netgear Orbi is that they want to be set up
> in Star configuration only, they don’t 

Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[chuck]

Yeah, I have had this exact thing bite me in the butt before.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 11:00 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

I prefer to use 2-pole breakers for the batteries. Often, single-pole breakers 
are polarity sensitive, and since the batteries are both a source and a sink, 
the polarity will reverse depending.



bp


On 12/28/2018 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Carling is another manufacturer of DC breakers.

   

  The Altech V-EA series (part numbers end in UM) are rated 80VDC for the lower 
amp ratings and 42VDC for the higher amp ratings.  They are actually made by 
Sursum, in Germany maybe, and are sturdier than other Altech breakers.  For 
high current applications, like protecting large battery strings, I use a dual 
pole breaker for both sides of the batteries, this increases the DC voltage 
rating because you are interrupting the current in 2 places at once.

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 10:37 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

   

  We get breakers that are specifically DC rated for the current we need. If 
they are DC rated, they will also indicate the maximum operating voltage 
(typically 48 volts) but you sometimes see higher voltages. Just be sure the 
ones you get are rated above the voltage you'll be using them at. 2X is a good 
place.

   

bp On 12/28/2018 7:37 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Do you generally size these about double the expected load? 

 

I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still 
be effective?






   



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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[Jason McKemie]

Would you use an automotive fuse or is there another type that would work
better?  Do you size fuses as close to the expected current and voltage
as possible?

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 11:07 AM  wrote:

> I would be more comfortable with a fast blowing fuse to protect a DC DC
> converter.  But like Ken says, it will probably fold and may not need any
> protection.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2018 9:45 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers
>
>
> In that case you want to make sure the load breakers have a low enough
> rating that the power supply can actually trip them in case one load gets
> shorted, since you want the other loads to keep operating.  So for example
> if the DC-DC converter can source 5 amps and you use a bunch of 2 amp
> breakers to protect the devices, in the event one device shorts out, the
> DC-DC converter may go into current limiting and take minutes or infinity
> to trip the breaker on the shorted device.
>
>
>
> So in a case like that, and realizing breaker ratings tend to be carry,
> not trip, ratings, maybe stay pretty close to  expected load current.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2018 10:27 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone. I was a bit confused about the breaker curves as well.
>
> I'm actually using these between a DC/DC converter and the devices being
> powered from it. Was hoping to protect the converter in the event of a
> short on one of the devices.
>
> On Friday, December 28, 2018, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Are you talking the AC or DC voltage rating?  DC rating is usually lower,
> because it is harder to quench the arc when opening the circuit if the
> polarity doesn’t alternate.  It’s usually difficult to find breakers with a
> DC rating higher than 48 volts.  But a higher voltage rating is not a
> problem, just may cost a little more.
>
>
>
> You also need to look at the trip curve for the family of breakers.  The
> Altech/Sursum DIN rail breakers I usually use are not technically DC
> breakers, but they come in a bazillion different trip curves, I usually buy
> B or C.  There will be a graph that shows the min/max trip time for various
> percent current over rating.  Usually that will take care of inrush unless
> you have a load that has an unusually large or long lasting inrush.  So
> something between 1 and 2 times expected load.  Let’s face it, if the load
> is 1.7 amps, you aren’t going to have a 1.7 amp breaker in your stock of
> breakers, maybe you have 2 and 5 amp breakers on hand.  In that case I’d
> probably go with the 2 amp, because 5 amps may not offer much protection,
> especially since you probably have to get to 200% of rating for it to trip
> quicky.  The exception is any kind of DC UPS that draws extra current when
> recharging the batteries, you need to allow for that, or everything will
> seem fine until the first time you are recharging the batteries after a
> power outage, and the circuit breaker trips after about 30 seconds.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2018 9:37 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DC Breakers
>
>
>
> Do you generally size these about double the expected load?
>
>
>
> I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still
> be effective?
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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I prefer to use 2-pole breakers for the batteries. Often,
  single-pole breakers are polarity sensitive, and since the
  batteries are both a source and a sink, the polarity will reverse
  depending.


bp



On 12/28/2018 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Carling is another manufacturer of DC
  breakers.
 
The Altech V-EA series (part numbers end in
  UM) are rated 80VDC for the lower amp ratings and 42VDC for
  the higher amp ratings.  They are actually made by Sursum, in
  Germany maybe, and are sturdier than other Altech breakers. 
  For high current applications, like protecting large battery
  strings, I use a dual pole breaker for both sides of the
  batteries, this increases the DC voltage rating because you
  are interrupting the current in 2 places at once.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 10:37 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers
  

 
We get breakers that are specifically DC rated for the
  current we need. If they are DC rated, they will also indicate
  the maximum operating voltage (typically 48 volts) but you
  sometimes see higher voltages. Just be sure the ones you get
  are rated above the voltage you'll be using them at. 2X is a
  good place.
 
bp

 

  On 12/28/2018 7:37 AM, Jason McKemie
wrote:


  
Do you generally size these about
  double the expected load? 

   


  I see a lot of them rated at higher
voltages than I need, will these still be effective?

  
  



  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[Ken Hohhof]

Carling is another manufacturer of DC breakers.

 

The Altech V-EA series (part numbers end in UM) are rated 80VDC for the lower 
amp ratings and 42VDC for the higher amp ratings.  They are actually made by 
Sursum, in Germany maybe, and are sturdier than other Altech breakers.  For 
high current applications, like protecting large battery strings, I use a dual 
pole breaker for both sides of the batteries, this increases the DC voltage 
rating because you are interrupting the current in 2 places at once.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 10:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

 

We get breakers that are specifically DC rated for the current we need. If they 
are DC rated, they will also indicate the maximum operating voltage (typically 
48 volts) but you sometimes see higher voltages. Just be sure the ones you get 
are rated above the voltage you'll be using them at. 2X is a good place.

 

bp

 

On 12/28/2018 7:37 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Do you generally size these about double the expected load? 

 

I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still be 
effective?





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Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

[David Coudron]

We are looking at this more and trying to make a decision which way we’d like 
to proceed for larger homes.   We use the Mimosa G2 block on every deployment 
today, but there are some limiting factors in larger home deployments.   We may 
not have been doing things correctly, but using the wireless repeater mode cuts 
the bandwidth of the wireless network in half.   We know that we can use a 
wired connection to extend the range, but in most deployments, that is more 
wiring than is easy or feasible to do at a moderate cost.   Additionally the G2 
is only 2.4 GHz.   We like this unit, but it just doesn’t feel like a good 
solution for large homes.

We also use Mikrotik Hap ac2 in our non-Mimosa deployments, or in situations 
where the customer needs more than one ethernet port.   That works pretty well, 
but doesn’t give any mesh extension capabilities.   We have messed around with 
SSID sharing/mesh type settings in the Mikrotik to hook more than one up, but 
not sure that this is as stable as we’d like.   We also aren’t able to see the 
other nodes very well, but we might not be doing something correct.

We have a pretty good test bed at my house.   Internet comes into the utility 
room on the basement floor, and needs to cover about 6000 square feet on three 
different floors.   We previously used a regular router (Mikrotik Hap ac2) at 
the connection point and wired extenders in the upper floor.   Coverage was 
spotty at parts of the upper floor and pretty spotty in the middle floor.   As 
a test we got the Ubiquiti Amplifi product and were able to verify 
significantly better coverage as well as throughput of >400 Mbps from the 
farthest end of the house to the connection point.   Much, much better than the 
wired extender did.We also tried the Netgear Orbi and saw results that were 
pretty similar.   The mesh stuff definitely works.

The Ubiquiti Amplifi product was pretty impressive, much more so than their 
regular Nano gear, etc.   The equipment looks impressive, the software is quick 
and well designed, and the things is super simple to get running.   Far more 
impressive than normal Mikrotik software interface stuff (we use Mikrotik for 
all our infrastructure as well as some of the customer routers).   We’d be all 
over this as a solution, except that the only remote management they have is 
using Facebook or Google accounts, and you can’t do this by IP address.   
Pretty much a deal breaker for us.

The Netgear Orbi product is about what you’d expect.  Same interface as all 
their routers, hardware is pretty well done, but nothing special.  Again, 
pretty easy to hook up.   Big thing is that it has remote management and that 
seems to give us access to everything we’d want from the testing that we did.   
It is pretty expensive though, but that doesn’t scare us away as we are asking 
customers to buy this equipment for those that have larger houses.   Although 
it does have Remote Management, the Orbi doesn’t allow for a Provider login and 
a customer login like we do with the Mikrtoiks.   We really like this because 
we can manage the router for the customer, but still give them access to change 
SSID id and password, do some port forwarding, etc.

We have some Calix stuff headed our way to try out.   From talking to folks, we 
expect it will do very well with the management side of things.   I expect the 
performance to me more on the lines of the Ubiquiti Amplifi since there isn’t a 
dedicated backhaul/mesh radio band used, but we’ll see when we put it to the 
test.   The biggest concern I have with the Calix stuff, is that it becomes a 
much larger decision.  Instead of just buying a few of these for the large 
houses, you have to buy the cloud service and commit to a whole new brand and 
management platform.   One of the nice features of the Calix stuff though is 
that you can buy the same main router for every installation and just add the 
mesh units where needed.   A drawback of the Calix and the Netgear Orbi is that 
they want to be set up in Star configuration only, they don’t allow 
daisychaining like the Amplifi product does.   We did test the daisychained 
configuration of the Amplifi for performance and it did very well.  Again, much 
better than a wrired extender did surprisingly enough.

We hadn’t considered the Unifi product, but from doing a little bit of reading 
it looks like every AP would expect to be wired, which would be tough for us to 
do. Since we have some Ubiquiti stuff here and there, it wouldn’t require 
commitment to a new management platform, that would be pretty nice.Our 
testing has gone well enough that we are pretty convinced some sort of true 
mesh network is needed for these larger homes, it just works so much better 
than repeaters, extenders and the like.

Regards,

David Coudron


From: AF  On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 10:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's

[Mathew Howard]

I've only used sync on the 2.4ghz Rockets, but it seems to work reasonably
well.

But if it's a question of more capacity, ePMP 3000 should be available any
day now, and it should be capable of a lot more than UBNT AC...

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 10:31 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure how well sync in working on the Ubiquiti AC gear these days,
> maybe someone else will chime in. Might want to look at ePMP as well.
>
> On Friday, December 28, 2018, Alex Davidson  wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is our first deployment of the UBNT Rocket Prism (AC gen 2) 5GHz. We
>> are looking for 4- 90 degree sectors to place on a tower and wanted to know
>> what is the highest capacity product out there to do so. What are some of
>> the pros & cons to these products? What is everyone else using, what is
>> working and what is not working?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

[Mike Hammett]

Working well is a nice function. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 10:45:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 



Mimosa does 1 repeater, AC Cubes do 2 repeaters at least, and Unifi is 
unlimited. All 3 of them have cloud management. Why pay a monthly fee if it 
isn’t necessary? Does Callix have additional features beyond connectivity like 
blocking torrents or parental controls? 

Rory 



From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:35 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 


Designed for single-device (or more if mesh\repeater\etc.) is needed vs. 
assuming a large ecosystem. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:20:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 
What is the advantage of Calix versus Unifi? 

Rory 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of David Coudron 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 12:02 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 

Chuck, 

We’d be pretty interested in that. Love to see that happen. 

Cory, can you reach out to us in the meantime, we’d like to learn more and some 
decisions to make soon about our directed for managed whole house Wifi. 

Regards, 


David Coudron 
david.coud...@advantenon.com | Mobile: 612-991-7474 

Advantenon, Inc. 
i...@advantenon.com | 3500 Vicksburg Lane N , Suite 315 , Plymouth, MN 55447 | 
www.advantenon.com | Phone: 800-704-4720 | Local: 612-454-1545 





From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 12:38 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 




Calix historically sold to ILECs via dedicated regional sales reps. You had 
personalized service. 

They didn’t have a product with universal appeal until they did the 844. 



I will volunteer to stock and sell their products via my ecommerce site if they 
will give me enough margin to make it worth it. 






From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 11:03 AM 

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 



Agreed, but that’s their business model. I think similar to the companies that 
OEM “gateways” to the likes of AT and Comcast. These are not supposed to find 
their way onto Amazon and Walmart online stores for end users to buy themselves 
and then try to figure out how to link them into their service provider’s 
operations systems. 

I guess our customers could make the same complaint about us. Maybe a few WISPs 
have online ordering portals, but I’m guessing very few. Not talking about put 
your location in here and a salesperson will call you, but actually sign up and 
schedule installation, similar to what we used to do with dialup service (where 
we just needed to assign a username and password, and publish a list of local 
access numbers). 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jon Langeler 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 11:37 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi 

I think it’s a turn off when they don’t have an online store somewhere to 
simply order a 10 or 100 pack, or anything. But I got that vibe from them as 
well. 


Jon Langeler 

Michwave Technologies, Inc. 




On Dec 23, 2018, at 1:14 AM, Jason Wilson < ja...@remotelylocated.com > wrote: 



How does one get Calix to talk to you? They seemed less than interested to talk 
at WISPAPalooza and no call from the lead generated at he show. 

Jason Wilson 

Remotely Located 

Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places 

530-651-1736 Office 

530-748-9608 Cell 

www.remotelylocated.com 


On Dec 22, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 




You have to buy direct from Calix. 



We upped our plan prices $10 per month for new subs and now give the router 
"free". We're slowly migrating existing customers to these new plans and 
putting the Calix in their home. We're about 60% complete with the process. It 
dramatically reduces the number of tech support calls related to wifi issues. 
Huge time saver, money maker, and keeping customers happy and churn low. 



On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 8:56 PM Ken Hohhof 



The other piece of information that wasn’t apparent to me on casual inspection 
is there’s a minimum sub count if you want to use their Cloud features. My take 
is you need to come 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's

[Mathew Howard]

Well, there are lots of good options for 90 degree sectors. The only thing
that's going to matter specifically for these radios is going to be
mounting the radio... otherwise, all the same things will apply as with any
other radios (gain, f/b ratio, etc.). The ePMP sectors are some of the
better sectors out there, in my opinion, but there's not really any good
way to attach a rocket to those sectors. I like the RF elements carrier
class sectors (which are similar to the original Cambium ePMP sectors) -
they have fairly good specs, they're cheap, light, easy to work with and a
Rocket will snap right into theradio holder (they also have an adapter for
ePMP). KPP is generally also good stuff, and should work well.

Another good option for 90 degrees could be the new RF elements asymetrical
horns, but I don't they're shipping yet.

I'm not sure what UBNT has available for 90 degree sectors these days...
their old sectors are trash (not sure if they're still selling those or
not... I think they are), but I think they did have some newer ones that
had decent looking specs (the Titanium model, if I remember correctly).
They also make a gigantic thing that's 3 30 degree sectors in one shell
(you would use three Rockets on it), which I guess is technically a 90
degree sector.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 11:04 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> We would definitely be depending on Sync to work.  I thought they were
> past their sync issues at this point.   Yes, serving 50Mbit + plans, LOS, 3
> to 4 miles max. (mostly closer)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2018 11:57 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's
>
>
>
> I really like the pattern on the latest ePMP sector. We may or may not
> have had to replace a KP antenna or two with them because the KP stopped
> performing as expected. Old, Gen1/Gen2 5ghz stuff. Probably been in the air
> for 5 years at this point.
>
>
>
> Previous to the ePMP sector, I think RF Elements was the OEM for EPMP 1000
> Generation 1 sectors. Those are still humming along perfectly fine, and
> completely in my opinion work better then the KP Performance equivalent. I
> haven't used a new KP performance antenna since we started deploying ePMP,
> the new product line may be better, but I don't have first hand experience.
>
>
>
> What is your deployment target exactly? Are you hoping to serve huge
> 50mbit+ plans? What are you hoping to achieve speed, distance wise?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 10:31 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure how well sync in working on the Ubiquiti AC gear these days,
> maybe someone else will chime in. Might want to look at ePMP as well.
>
>
> On Friday, December 28, 2018, Alex Davidson  wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
>
>
> This is our first deployment of the UBNT Rocket Prism (AC gen 2) 5GHz. We
> are looking for 4- 90 degree sectors to place on a tower and wanted to know
> what is the highest capacity product out there to do so. What are some of
> the pros & cons to these products? What is everyone else using, what is
> working and what is not working?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[Mark Radabaugh]

If you are using them between a DC/DC converter I actually wouldn’t put a 
breaker in.   Any decent DC/DC power supply should be self protecting on the 
output side.   Once they reach rated current they either (a) go into current 
limit and reduce the voltage until the current drops to the rated limit or (b) 
shut down completely and try restarting every couple of seconds or (c) shut off 
(the shitty ones…).   If you are powering multiple small loads from the supply 
you should consider small fuses for each load so that one item failing doesn’t 
take out the supply for everything.

Mark 

> On Dec 28, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Jason McKemie 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks everyone. I was a bit confused about the breaker curves as well.
> I'm actually using these between a DC/DC converter and the devices being 
> powered from it. Was hoping to protect the converter in the event of a short 
> on one of the devices.
> 
> On Friday, December 28, 2018, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> Are you talking the AC or DC voltage rating?  DC rating is usually lower, 
> because it is harder to quench the arc when opening the circuit if the 
> polarity doesn’t alternate.  It’s usually difficult to find breakers with a 
> DC rating higher than 48 volts.  But a higher voltage rating is not a 
> problem, just may cost a little more.
> 
>  
> 
> You also need to look at the trip curve for the family of breakers.  The 
> Altech/Sursum DIN rail breakers I usually use are not technically DC 
> breakers, but they come in a bazillion different trip curves, I usually buy B 
> or C.  There will be a graph that shows the min/max trip time for various 
> percent current over rating.  Usually that will take care of inrush unless 
> you have a load that has an unusually large or long lasting inrush.  So 
> something between 1 and 2 times expected load.  Let’s face it, if the load is 
> 1.7 amps, you aren’t going to have a 1.7 amp breaker in your stock of 
> breakers, maybe you have 2 and 5 amp breakers on hand.  In that case I’d 
> probably go with the 2 amp, because 5 amps may not offer much protection, 
> especially since you probably have to get to 200% of rating for it to trip 
> quicky.  The exception is any kind of DC UPS that draws extra current when 
> recharging the batteries, you need to allow for that, or everything will seem 
> fine until the first time you are recharging the batteries after a power 
> outage, and the circuit breaker trips after about 30 seconds.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 9:37 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: [AFMUG] DC Breakers
> 
>  
> 
> Do you generally size these about double the expected load?
> 
>  
> 
> I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still be 
> effective?
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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[chuck]

I would be more comfortable with a fast blowing fuse to protect a DC DC 
converter.  But like Ken says, it will probably fold and may not need any 
protection.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 9:45 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

In that case you want to make sure the load breakers have a low enough rating 
that the power supply can actually trip them in case one load gets shorted, 
since you want the other loads to keep operating.  So for example if the DC-DC 
converter can source 5 amps and you use a bunch of 2 amp breakers to protect 
the devices, in the event one device shorts out, the DC-DC converter may go 
into current limiting and take minutes or infinity to trip the breaker on the 
shorted device.

 

So in a case like that, and realizing breaker ratings tend to be carry, not 
trip, ratings, maybe stay pretty close to  expected load current.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 10:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

 

Thanks everyone. I was a bit confused about the breaker curves as well.

I'm actually using these between a DC/DC converter and the devices being 
powered from it. Was hoping to protect the converter in the event of a short on 
one of the devices.

On Friday, December 28, 2018, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Are you talking the AC or DC voltage rating?  DC rating is usually lower, 
because it is harder to quench the arc when opening the circuit if the polarity 
doesn’t alternate.  It’s usually difficult to find breakers with a DC rating 
higher than 48 volts.  But a higher voltage rating is not a problem, just may 
cost a little more.

   

  You also need to look at the trip curve for the family of breakers.  The 
Altech/Sursum DIN rail breakers I usually use are not technically DC breakers, 
but they come in a bazillion different trip curves, I usually buy B or C.  
There will be a graph that shows the min/max trip time for various percent 
current over rating.  Usually that will take care of inrush unless you have a 
load that has an unusually large or long lasting inrush.  So something between 
1 and 2 times expected load.  Let’s face it, if the load is 1.7 amps, you 
aren’t going to have a 1.7 amp breaker in your stock of breakers, maybe you 
have 2 and 5 amp breakers on hand.  In that case I’d probably go with the 2 
amp, because 5 amps may not offer much protection, especially since you 
probably have to get to 200% of rating for it to trip quicky.  The exception is 
any kind of DC UPS that draws extra current when recharging the batteries, you 
need to allow for that, or everything will seem fine until the first time you 
are recharging the batteries after a power outage, and the circuit breaker 
trips after about 30 seconds.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 9:37 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

   

  Do you generally size these about double the expected load?

   

  I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still be 
effective?




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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's

[Joe Novak]

I really like the pattern on the latest ePMP sector. We may or may not have
had to replace a KP antenna or two with them because the KP stopped
performing as expected. Old, Gen1/Gen2 5ghz stuff. Probably been in the air
for 5 years at this point.

Previous to the ePMP sector, I think RF Elements was the OEM for EPMP 1000
Generation 1 sectors. Those are still humming along perfectly fine, and
completely in my opinion work better then the KP Performance equivalent. I
haven't used a new KP performance antenna since we started deploying ePMP,
the new product line may be better, but I don't have first hand experience.

What is your deployment target exactly? Are you hoping to serve huge
50mbit+ plans? What are you hoping to achieve speed, distance wise?



On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 10:31 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure how well sync in working on the Ubiquiti AC gear these days,
> maybe someone else will chime in. Might want to look at ePMP as well.
>
> On Friday, December 28, 2018, Alex Davidson  wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is our first deployment of the UBNT Rocket Prism (AC gen 2) 5GHz. We
>> are looking for 4- 90 degree sectors to place on a tower and wanted to know
>> what is the highest capacity product out there to do so. What are some of
>> the pros & cons to these products? What is everyone else using, what is
>> working and what is not working?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

[Rory Conaway]

Mimosa does 1 repeater, AC Cubes do 2 repeaters at least, and Unifi is 
unlimited.  All 3 of them have cloud management.  Why pay a monthly fee if it 
isn’t necessary?  Does Callix have additional features beyond connectivity like 
blocking torrents or parental controls?

Rory

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

Designed for single-device (or more if mesh\repeater\etc.) is needed vs. 
assuming a large ecosystem.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:20:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi
What is the advantage of Calix versus Unifi?

Rory

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

Chuck,

We’d be pretty interested in that.   Love to see that happen.

Cory, can you reach out to us in the meantime, we’d like to learn more and some 
decisions to make soon about our directed for managed whole house Wifi.

Regards,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  
Local: 612-454-1545



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 12:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

Calix historically sold to ILECs via dedicated regional sales reps.  You had 
personalized service.
They didn’t have a product with universal appeal until they did the 844.

I will volunteer to stock and sell their products via my ecommerce site if they 
will give me enough margin to make it worth it.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 11:03 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

Agreed, but that’s their business model.  I think similar to the companies that 
OEM “gateways” to the likes of AT and Comcast.  These are not supposed to 
find their way onto Amazon and Walmart online stores for end users to buy 
themselves and then try to figure out how to link them into their service 
provider’s operations systems.

I guess our customers could make the same complaint about us.  Maybe a few 
WISPs have online ordering portals, but I’m guessing very few.  Not talking 
about put your location in here and a salesperson will call you, but actually 
sign up and schedule installation, similar to what we used to do with dialup 
service (where we just needed to assign a username and password, and publish a 
list of local access numbers).


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jon Langeler
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 11:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed whole house mesh wifi

I think it’s a turn off when they don’t have an online store somewhere to 
simply order a 10 or 100 pack, or anything. But I got that vibe from them as 
well.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Dec 23, 2018, at 1:14 AM, Jason Wilson 
mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:
How does one get Calix to talk to you?  They seemed less than interested to 
talk at WISPAPalooza and no call from the lead generated at he show.
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places
530-651-1736 Office
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Dec 22, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Darin Steffl 

Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We get breakers that are specifically DC rated for the current we
  need. If they are DC rated, they will also indicate the maximum
  operating voltage (typically 48 volts) but you sometimes see
  higher voltages. Just be sure the ones you get are rated above the
  voltage you'll be using them at. 2X is a good place.


bp



On 12/28/2018 7:37 AM, Jason McKemie
  wrote:


  
  Do you generally size these about double the
expected load?


I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need,
  will these still be effective?
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[Robert]

& to throw biz the way of some friends at a better price ( not including 
shipping )...


https://www.wholesalesolar.com/8991041/midnite-solar/breakers/midnite-solar-mndc-gfp63

On 12/28/18 8:11 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I generally use these guys:
http://www.midnitesolar.com/products.php?menuItem=products_ID=16=Breakers
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2018 9:05 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

Are you talking the AC or DC voltage rating?  DC rating is usually 
lower, because it is harder to quench the arc when opening the circuit 
if the polarity doesn’t alternate.  It’s usually difficult to find 
breakers with a DC rating higher than 48 volts.  But a higher voltage 
rating is not a problem, just may cost a little more.


You also need to look at the trip curve for the family of breakers.  The 
Altech/Sursum DIN rail breakers I usually use are not technically DC 
breakers, but they come in a bazillion different trip curves, I usually 
buy B or C.  There will be a graph that shows the min/max trip time for 
various percent current over rating.  Usually that will take care of 
inrush unless you have a load that has an unusually large or long 
lasting inrush.  So something between 1 and 2 times expected load.  
Let’s face it, if the load is 1.7 amps, you aren’t going to have a 1.7 
amp breaker in your stock of breakers, maybe you have 2 and 5 amp 
breakers on hand.  In that case I’d probably go with the 2 amp, because 
5 amps may not offer much protection, especially since you probably have 
to get to 200% of rating for it to trip quicky.  The exception is any 
kind of DC UPS that draws extra current when recharging the batteries, 
you need to allow for that, or everything will seem fine until the first 
time you are recharging the batteries after a power outage, and the 
circuit breaker trips after about 30 seconds.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2018 9:37 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] DC Breakers

Do you generally size these about double the expected load?

I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these 
still be effective?



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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's

[Jason McKemie]

I'm not sure how well sync in working on the Ubiquiti AC gear these days,
maybe someone else will chime in. Might want to look at ePMP as well.

On Friday, December 28, 2018, Alex Davidson  wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
>
>
> This is our first deployment of the UBNT Rocket Prism (AC gen 2) 5GHz. We
> are looking for 4- 90 degree sectors to place on a tower and wanted to know
> what is the highest capacity product out there to do so. What are some of
> the pros & cons to these products? What is everyone else using, what is
> working and what is not working?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks everyone. I was a bit confused about the breaker curves as well.
I'm actually using these between a DC/DC converter and the devices being
powered from it. Was hoping to protect the converter in the event of a
short on one of the devices.

On Friday, December 28, 2018, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Are you talking the AC or DC voltage rating?  DC rating is usually lower,
> because it is harder to quench the arc when opening the circuit if the
> polarity doesn’t alternate.  It’s usually difficult to find breakers with a
> DC rating higher than 48 volts.  But a higher voltage rating is not a
> problem, just may cost a little more.
>
>
>
> You also need to look at the trip curve for the family of breakers.  The
> Altech/Sursum DIN rail breakers I usually use are not technically DC
> breakers, but they come in a bazillion different trip curves, I usually buy
> B or C.  There will be a graph that shows the min/max trip time for various
> percent current over rating.  Usually that will take care of inrush unless
> you have a load that has an unusually large or long lasting inrush.  So
> something between 1 and 2 times expected load.  Let’s face it, if the load
> is 1.7 amps, you aren’t going to have a 1.7 amp breaker in your stock of
> breakers, maybe you have 2 and 5 amp breakers on hand.  In that case I’d
> probably go with the 2 amp, because 5 amps may not offer much protection,
> especially since you probably have to get to 200% of rating for it to trip
> quicky.  The exception is any kind of DC UPS that draws extra current when
> recharging the batteries, you need to allow for that, or everything will
> seem fine until the first time you are recharging the batteries after a
> power outage, and the circuit breaker trips after about 30 seconds.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2018 9:37 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DC Breakers
>
>
>
> Do you generally size these about double the expected load?
>
>
>
> I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still
> be effective?
>
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[AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's

[Alex Davidson]

Hey guys,

This is our first deployment of the UBNT Rocket Prism (AC gen 2) 5GHz. We are 
looking for 4- 90 degree sectors to place on a tower and wanted to know what is 
the highest capacity product out there to do so. What are some of the pros & 
cons to these products? What is everyone else using, what is working and what 
is not working?

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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[chuck]

I generally use these guys:
http://www.midnitesolar.com/products.php?menuItem=products_ID=16=Breakers

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 9:05 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

Are you talking the AC or DC voltage rating?  DC rating is usually lower, 
because it is harder to quench the arc when opening the circuit if the polarity 
doesn’t alternate.  It’s usually difficult to find breakers with a DC rating 
higher than 48 volts.  But a higher voltage rating is not a problem, just may 
cost a little more.

 

You also need to look at the trip curve for the family of breakers.  The 
Altech/Sursum DIN rail breakers I usually use are not technically DC breakers, 
but they come in a bazillion different trip curves, I usually buy B or C.  
There will be a graph that shows the min/max trip time for various percent 
current over rating.  Usually that will take care of inrush unless you have a 
load that has an unusually large or long lasting inrush.  So something between 
1 and 2 times expected load.  Let’s face it, if the load is 1.7 amps, you 
aren’t going to have a 1.7 amp breaker in your stock of breakers, maybe you 
have 2 and 5 amp breakers on hand.  In that case I’d probably go with the 2 
amp, because 5 amps may not offer much protection, especially since you 
probably have to get to 200% of rating for it to trip quicky.  The exception is 
any kind of DC UPS that draws extra current when recharging the batteries, you 
need to allow for that, or everything will seem fine until the first time you 
are recharging the batteries after a power outage, and the circuit breaker 
trips after about 30 seconds.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 9:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

 

Do you generally size these about double the expected load?

 

I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still be 
effective?




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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[Ken Hohhof]

Are you talking the AC or DC voltage rating?  DC rating is usually lower, 
because it is harder to quench the arc when opening the circuit if the polarity 
doesn’t alternate.  It’s usually difficult to find breakers with a DC rating 
higher than 48 volts.  But a higher voltage rating is not a problem, just may 
cost a little more.

 

You also need to look at the trip curve for the family of breakers.  The 
Altech/Sursum DIN rail breakers I usually use are not technically DC breakers, 
but they come in a bazillion different trip curves, I usually buy B or C.  
There will be a graph that shows the min/max trip time for various percent 
current over rating.  Usually that will take care of inrush unless you have a 
load that has an unusually large or long lasting inrush.  So something between 
1 and 2 times expected load.  Let’s face it, if the load is 1.7 amps, you 
aren’t going to have a 1.7 amp breaker in your stock of breakers, maybe you 
have 2 and 5 amp breakers on hand.  In that case I’d probably go with the 2 
amp, because 5 amps may not offer much protection, especially since you 
probably have to get to 200% of rating for it to trip quicky.  The exception is 
any kind of DC UPS that draws extra current when recharging the batteries, you 
need to allow for that, or everything will seem fine until the first time you 
are recharging the batteries after a power outage, and the circuit breaker 
trips after about 30 seconds.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 9:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

 

Do you generally size these about double the expected load?

 

I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still be 
effective?

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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[chuck]

Higher voltage rating is a good thing.  AC breakers are simpler because AC goes 
to zero volts twice each cycle.  That gives it a chance for the arc to 
extinguish when tripping.
DC has to be designed to break the arc and higher voltage arcs are harder to 
break.  Just make sure it is rated for at least the voltage your system 
operates at.

I size the breaker for the size of the wire in most cases.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 8:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

Do you generally size these about double the expected load? 

I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still be 
effective?



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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[chuck]

what he said

-Original Message- 
From: Mark Radabaugh

Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 8:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

Voltage doesn’t matter if the rating is higher than you need.   Breaker size 
should be based on the wire to be protected, not the equipment.   The 
purpose of the breaker is to protect the wire after the breaker from 
overheating and catching fire.  It’s not necessarily about protecting the 
equipment itself (though it can certainly help).   Size the breaker based on 
the gauge wire you are running.


For DC the breakers usually have a lower short circuit current rating than 
AC rated breakers.  It’s harder to break a DC arc than AC.  Available fault 
current is usually a batter specification.


Those were the long answers - the short answer is 2x will probably work out 
just fine.


Mark

On Dec 28, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] DC Breakers

[Mark Radabaugh]

Voltage doesn’t matter if the rating is higher than you need.   Breaker size 
should be based on the wire to be protected, not the equipment.   The purpose 
of the breaker is to protect the wire after the breaker from overheating and 
catching fire.  It’s not necessarily about protecting the equipment itself 
(though it can certainly help).   Size the breaker based on the gauge wire you 
are running. 

For DC the breakers usually have a lower short circuit current rating than AC 
rated breakers.  It’s harder to break a DC arc than AC.  Available fault 
current is usually a batter specification.

Those were the long answers - the short answer is 2x will probably work out 
just fine.

Mark

> On Dec 28, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Jason McKemie 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you generally size these about double the expected load?
> 
> I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still be 
> effective?
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[AFMUG] DC Breakers

[Jason McKemie]

Do you generally size these about double the expected load?

I see a lot of them rated at higher voltages than I need, will these still
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery charger + load

[chuck]

Yep, that is what I am looking for, but it sure isn’t cheap is it.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery charger + load

I think the ones you're thinking about have "BCM" in the model number (for 
Battery Charge Monitor or something like that).

Most of the ones I know about are made by Altech or Phoenix Contact, or a few 
others.

Finding one that works for 12VDC is a bit of an odd duck; we are almost always 
looking for 24VDC or 48VDC. I did a little poking around and found this one 
from Altech that does 12VDC. Key thing to look for is "DC UPS".


https://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-cbi123a/70236424/


bp


On 12/27/2018 4:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I know it has been mentioned many times before, but I cannot remember if it 
is a Meanwell product or not.

  In my splicing trailer, I have a nice 12 volt DC fuse panel in addition to 
the 120/240 panel.

  The 12 volts runs LED overhead interior lights, porch light, furnace (I 
bought the one Bill recommended) and the trailer break-away brake circuit.  

  I want a DIN rail mount charger rectifier.  
  I believe there is one that has charging terminals that limit battery 
charging current as well as load terminals that are not limited.

  Seems like there was a BC in the part number.  Too lazy to try to figure out 
the archive.  
  And I don’t recall any specific keyword stuff to make the search easy. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Josh Luthman]

People say all the time that Bose sucks but I'm very happy with Bose in all
the cars I've had it in as well as the "sound box" in the house.  I'm
definitely not an audiophile, though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:09 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Bose has good marketing and not a lot else.
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:49 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Bose car audio (and home audio) is pretty terrible and far from accurate
>> in most cars.  I just bought a new car that has Bose ‘premium’ audio, and
>> it sounds like absolute crap compared to my old car which had the premium
>> HK stock system.
>>
>> ... but, I’m sort of an audiophile, so most people probably won’t agree
>> with me.
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all the
>> cars with XM.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what
>>> you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(

 On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
 wrote:

 because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.


 On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some
> period of time for free.
>
> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like
> it’s compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a
> subscription for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

You can use LTE SXTs outside with a SIM in them.  That works quite well and 
gets service where normal cells can’t.  Then its just a port on your router.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
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 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Tim Withrow via AF
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Tim Withrow 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?


Yes, you are right. I had to go look back at the original bill. The 500 bucks 
is a one time setup fee for however many statics ip's you require for your 
various  byod, like cradlepoints or Verizon's devices. There is no recurring 
charges for ip's thereafter.

Also you could use a VPN and port forward to get around no static ip issue. If 
it's only one device that seems the most practical route.


On Thursday, December 27, 2018 Brandon Yuchasz 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Tim,

All I have found for an option through Verizon was a 500 dollar one time setup 
charge through their business sales team to setup the static and then a monthly 
charge of around 50$.

ATT has a new business plan for 55$ a month comes with a static and 3mbps 
download “unlimited”.

How did you go about getting the 4$ static from Verizon? Was it a business 
account or a personal?



Thanks,

Brandon





From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Withrow via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 6:05 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Tim Withrow
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?



Verizon has static IP's for about 4 bucks month for the hotspots.



On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 Seth Mattinen 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

On 12/26/18 09:39, Trey Scarborough wrote:
> I use a combination of VZ,T-mobile, and ATT service and use a Mikrotik
> with LTE card have that LTE connection call back in to a vpn server in a
> datacenter. Getting the service from them can be difficult i usually use
> a MVNO like ting or freedompop and set them up o the cheapest plans.
> Direct just tell them its for an android tablet or laptop they are not
> as particular if you set up a business account and/or go through a
> reseller.


I haven't had a problem with getting SIM cards from VZ for devices. I
usually just take whatever it is to a store and say "I need a SIM for
this thing". They mull around a bit longer than if you brought them a
phone but that's about it.

~Seth


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