Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[Mitch Koep]

Another Company to run from as fast as you can is

Puro Broadband

Karl Koepke

Mitch


On 2/2/2019 12:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
PSC, if they think they have jurisdiction over the service, is 
generally predisposed to help the customer fight the ILEC if they 
think there is unfairness.  And it is free.

*From:* Jeremy
*Sent:* Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:53 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth
I think the fact that the sales teams are still using the same excuses 
in an attempt to sign ISPs on this plan opens up a great defense case 
for a lawsuit for those who have been forcefully disconnected, if 
someone had the money and time to do it.  However, lawsuits suck, and 
the telcos have way more money than we do.
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:34 AM Erich Kaiser 
 wrote:


+1


On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

1) Contracts are only as good as the money you are willing to
spend suing the other party.  I have literally had a big telco
say go ahead and sue us, we have lots of lawyers.

2) It seems standard practice to raise the price above what
the contract says via random fees, the belief seems to be that
fees are an act of god not covered by contracts.  And if you
don't agree, refer to #1.  I remember one provider adding a
fairly substantial property tax recovery fee mid contract.  I
asked what property this referred to, and of course they
basically laughed at me.  They would invent all sorts of
bizarre fees just to get around the price stated in the
contract, these new fees would just appear on the latest
monthly bill with no explanation.

Salespeople of course will do anything to make quota and
commissions, especially since they will probably be gone by
the time your contract comes up for renewal.  They are
"agents" of the company with the power to make commitments on
behalf of the company, but again, see #1.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

We are in a business of contracts.  And if it says they an
change the contract, that's there for a reason..

On 2/2/19 7:07 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 2/1/19 4:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>> For the record, the 'sales team' told him that he could
just put the
>> connections in the name of the building owners instead of
in the name
>> of the companysound familiar?  Every single location
received the
>> same certified letter.  I am not messing around.  I would
run as fast
>> as I could from that deal.and I did.
>
> Yeah I would totally call BS on that. Obviously sales just
wanted
> someone to sign on the dotted line and they've got theirs,
the rest
> doesn't matter.
>

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Re: [AFMUG] Thanks for the Memories Chuck Mccown!

[SmarterBroadband]

I think that is Paul and I in the center…

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 5:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thanks for the Memories Chuck Mccown!

 

 

Here's another angle.  Facebook is showing them to me today.

 



- Original Message - 

From: Ryan Hill   

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   

Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 7:47 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thanks for the Memories Chuck Mccown!

 

I’m guessing 2008 based on my Ball Cap, and long hair. LOL





 


   

 Ryan Hill  

   Operations Manager

 Amplex Internet

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

    www.amplex.net

 

 

 










On Feb 1, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

 

 


  

  

What year was this?

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf 
of CBB Fuller <  par...@cyberbroadband.net>
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Subject: [AFMUG] Thanks for the Memories Chuck Mccown!

Ah, good times.  I miss these trips oh so much more than I ever thought I would.




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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[chuck]

PSC, if they think they have jurisdiction over the service, is generally 
predisposed to help the customer fight the ILEC if they think there is 
unfairness.  And it is free.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

I think the fact that the sales teams are still using the same excuses in an 
attempt to sign ISPs on this plan opens up a great defense case for a lawsuit 
for those who have been forcefully disconnected, if someone had the money and 
time to do it.  However, lawsuits suck, and the telcos have way more money than 
we do.


On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:34 AM Erich Kaiser  wrote:

  +1 








  On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

1) Contracts are only as good as the money you are willing to spend suing 
the other party.  I have literally had a big telco say go ahead and sue us, we 
have lots of lawyers.

2) It seems standard practice to raise the price above what the contract 
says via random fees, the belief seems to be that fees are an act of god not 
covered by contracts.  And if you don't agree, refer to #1.  I remember one 
provider adding a fairly substantial property tax recovery fee mid contract.  I 
asked what property this referred to, and of course they basically laughed at 
me.  They would invent all sorts of bizarre fees just to get around the price 
stated in the contract, these new fees would just appear on the latest monthly 
bill with no explanation.

Salespeople of course will do anything to make quota and commissions, 
especially since they will probably be gone by the time your contract comes up 
for renewal.  They are "agents" of the company with the power to make 
commitments on behalf of the company, but again, see #1.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

We are in a business of contracts.  And if it says they an change the 
contract, that's there for a reason..

On 2/2/19 7:07 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 2/1/19 4:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>> For the record, the 'sales team' told him that he could just put the 
>> connections in the name of the building owners instead of in the name 
>> of the companysound familiar?  Every single location received the 
>> same certified letter.  I am not messing around.  I would run as fast 
>> as I could from that deal.and I did.
> 
> Yeah I would totally call BS on that. Obviously sales just wanted 
> someone to sign on the dotted line and they've got theirs, the rest 
> doesn't matter.
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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[Robert Andrews]

Spreading this info far and wide is probably the best we can do.  If it 
gets back to CenturyLink management that the customers are on to 
dishonest practices and that it's hitting the bottom line, that's the 
best weapon.  And I don't mean just ISP's it should be a consideration 
of _any_ of their customers that contracts to them just are sales tools 
that are one-sided.


Robert

On 02/02/2019 08:53 AM, Jeremy wrote:
I think the fact that the sales teams are still using the same excuses 
in an attempt to sign ISPs on this plan opens up a great defense case 
for a lawsuit for those who have been forcefully disconnected, if 
someone had the money and time to do it.  However, lawsuits suck, and 
the telcos have way more money than we do.


On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:34 AM Erich Kaiser > wrote:


+1







On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

1) Contracts are only as good as the money you are willing to
spend suing the other party.  I have literally had a big telco
say go ahead and sue us, we have lots of lawyers.

2) It seems standard practice to raise the price above what the
contract says via random fees, the belief seems to be that fees
are an act of god not covered by contracts.  And if you don't
agree, refer to #1.  I remember one provider adding a fairly
substantial property tax recovery fee mid contract.  I asked
what property this referred to, and of course they basically
laughed at me.  They would invent all sorts of bizarre fees just
to get around the price stated in the contract, these new fees
would just appear on the latest monthly bill with no explanation.

Salespeople of course will do anything to make quota and
commissions, especially since they will probably be gone by the
time your contract comes up for renewal.  They are "agents" of
the company with the power to make commitments on behalf of the
company, but again, see #1.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

We are in a business of contracts.  And if it says they an
change the contract, that's there for a reason..

On 2/2/19 7:07 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
 > On 2/1/19 4:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
 >> For the record, the 'sales team' told him that he could just
put the
 >> connections in the name of the building owners instead of in
the name
 >> of the companysound familiar?  Every single location
received the
 >> same certified letter.  I am not messing around.  I would
run as fast
 >> as I could from that deal.and I did.
 >
 > Yeah I would totally call BS on that. Obviously sales just
wanted
 > someone to sign on the dotted line and they've got theirs,
the rest
 > doesn't matter.
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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[Jeremy]

I think the fact that the sales teams are still using the same excuses in
an attempt to sign ISPs on this plan opens up a great defense case for a
lawsuit for those who have been forcefully disconnected, if someone had the
money and time to do it.  However, lawsuits suck, and the telcos have way
more money than we do.

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:34 AM Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> +1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> 1) Contracts are only as good as the money you are willing to spend suing
>> the other party.  I have literally had a big telco say go ahead and sue us,
>> we have lots of lawyers.
>>
>> 2) It seems standard practice to raise the price above what the contract
>> says via random fees, the belief seems to be that fees are an act of god
>> not covered by contracts.  And if you don't agree, refer to #1.  I remember
>> one provider adding a fairly substantial property tax recovery fee mid
>> contract.  I asked what property this referred to, and of course they
>> basically laughed at me.  They would invent all sorts of bizarre fees just
>> to get around the price stated in the contract, these new fees would just
>> appear on the latest monthly bill with no explanation.
>>
>> Salespeople of course will do anything to make quota and commissions,
>> especially since they will probably be gone by the time your contract comes
>> up for renewal.  They are "agents" of the company with the power to make
>> commitments on behalf of the company, but again, see #1.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
>> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:23 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth
>>
>> We are in a business of contracts.  And if it says they an change the
>> contract, that's there for a reason..
>>
>> On 2/2/19 7:07 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> > On 2/1/19 4:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>> >> For the record, the 'sales team' told him that he could just put the
>> >> connections in the name of the building owners instead of in the name
>> >> of the companysound familiar?  Every single location received the
>> >> same certified letter.  I am not messing around.  I would run as fast
>> >> as I could from that deal.and I did.
>> >
>> > Yeah I would totally call BS on that. Obviously sales just wanted
>> > someone to sign on the dotted line and they've got theirs, the rest
>> > doesn't matter.
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[Erich Kaiser]

+1







On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> 1) Contracts are only as good as the money you are willing to spend suing
> the other party.  I have literally had a big telco say go ahead and sue us,
> we have lots of lawyers.
>
> 2) It seems standard practice to raise the price above what the contract
> says via random fees, the belief seems to be that fees are an act of god
> not covered by contracts.  And if you don't agree, refer to #1.  I remember
> one provider adding a fairly substantial property tax recovery fee mid
> contract.  I asked what property this referred to, and of course they
> basically laughed at me.  They would invent all sorts of bizarre fees just
> to get around the price stated in the contract, these new fees would just
> appear on the latest monthly bill with no explanation.
>
> Salespeople of course will do anything to make quota and commissions,
> especially since they will probably be gone by the time your contract comes
> up for renewal.  They are "agents" of the company with the power to make
> commitments on behalf of the company, but again, see #1.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:23 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth
>
> We are in a business of contracts.  And if it says they an change the
> contract, that's there for a reason..
>
> On 2/2/19 7:07 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > On 2/1/19 4:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
> >> For the record, the 'sales team' told him that he could just put the
> >> connections in the name of the building owners instead of in the name
> >> of the companysound familiar?  Every single location received the
> >> same certified letter.  I am not messing around.  I would run as fast
> >> as I could from that deal.and I did.
> >
> > Yeah I would totally call BS on that. Obviously sales just wanted
> > someone to sign on the dotted line and they've got theirs, the rest
> > doesn't matter.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[Mike Hammett]

I wonder if the PSC would be interested in telecom\Internet disputes instead of 
your own attorneys. 

A) Not directly your money. 
B) They're much more likely to take them seriously. 





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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 10:12:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth 

1) Contracts are only as good as the money you are willing to spend suing the 
other party. I have literally had a big telco say go ahead and sue us, we have 
lots of lawyers. 

2) It seems standard practice to raise the price above what the contract says 
via random fees, the belief seems to be that fees are an act of god not covered 
by contracts. And if you don't agree, refer to #1. I remember one provider 
adding a fairly substantial property tax recovery fee mid contract. I asked 
what property this referred to, and of course they basically laughed at me. 
They would invent all sorts of bizarre fees just to get around the price stated 
in the contract, these new fees would just appear on the latest monthly bill 
with no explanation. 

Salespeople of course will do anything to make quota and commissions, 
especially since they will probably be gone by the time your contract comes up 
for renewal. They are "agents" of the company with the power to make 
commitments on behalf of the company, but again, see #1. 


-Original Message- 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert 
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:23 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth 

We are in a business of contracts. And if it says they an change the contract, 
that's there for a reason.. 

On 2/2/19 7:07 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: 
> On 2/1/19 4:24 PM, Jeremy wrote: 
>> For the record, the 'sales team' told him that he could just put the 
>> connections in the name of the building owners instead of in the name 
>> of the companysound familiar? Every single location received the 
>> same certified letter. I am not messing around. I would run as fast 
>> as I could from that deal.and I did. 
> 
> Yeah I would totally call BS on that. Obviously sales just wanted 
> someone to sign on the dotted line and they've got theirs, the rest 
> doesn't matter. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[Ken Hohhof]

1) Contracts are only as good as the money you are willing to spend suing the 
other party.  I have literally had a big telco say go ahead and sue us, we have 
lots of lawyers.

2) It seems standard practice to raise the price above what the contract says 
via random fees, the belief seems to be that fees are an act of god not covered 
by contracts.  And if you don't agree, refer to #1.  I remember one provider 
adding a fairly substantial property tax recovery fee mid contract.  I asked 
what property this referred to, and of course they basically laughed at me.  
They would invent all sorts of bizarre fees just to get around the price stated 
in the contract, these new fees would just appear on the latest monthly bill 
with no explanation.

Salespeople of course will do anything to make quota and commissions, 
especially since they will probably be gone by the time your contract comes up 
for renewal.  They are "agents" of the company with the power to make 
commitments on behalf of the company, but again, see #1.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

We are in a business of contracts.  And if it says they an change the contract, 
that's there for a reason..

On 2/2/19 7:07 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 2/1/19 4:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>> For the record, the 'sales team' told him that he could just put the 
>> connections in the name of the building owners instead of in the name 
>> of the companysound familiar?  Every single location received the 
>> same certified letter.  I am not messing around.  I would run as fast 
>> as I could from that deal.and I did.
> 
> Yeah I would totally call BS on that. Obviously sales just wanted 
> someone to sign on the dotted line and they've got theirs, the rest 
> doesn't matter.
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[AFMUG] why we need 6G

[Ken Hohhof]

To control nanotechnology from the future.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[Robert]

We are in a business of contracts.  And if it says they an change the 
contract, that's there for a reason..


On 2/2/19 7:07 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 2/1/19 4:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
For the record, the 'sales team' told him that he could just put the 
connections in the name of the building owners instead of in the name 
of the companysound familiar?  Every single location received the 
same certified letter.  I am not messing around.  I would run as fast 
as I could from that deal.and I did.


Yeah I would totally call BS on that. Obviously sales just wanted 
someone to sign on the dotted line and they've got theirs, the rest 
doesn't matter.




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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/1/19 4:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
For the record, the 'sales team' told him that he could just put the 
connections in the name of the building owners instead of in the name of 
the companysound familiar?  Every single location received the same 
certified letter.  I am not messing around.  I would run as fast as I 
could from that deal.and I did.


Yeah I would totally call BS on that. Obviously sales just wanted 
someone to sign on the dotted line and they've got theirs, the rest 
doesn't matter.


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[AFMUG] OT what he said

[Chuck McCown]

"Well, my past mistakes do seem extremely dumb, especially the ones where I 
mistakenly thought I was smart," Elon Musk 



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Re: [AFMUG] karma

[Chuck McCown]

It is nice.  They are literally across the freeway from me.  But it is like 
having the cocaine factory next door to the addict.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 8:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] karma

I wish we had a Richie Bros around here, pretty much worth traveling for.

On Friday, February 1, 2019,  wrote:

  Talking about AnimalFarm and my former relationship with Beehive, made me 
think about sharing the following:

  Some of you know some of the details of the last 5 years of my life.  

  I had a very very nice settlement, cannot talk about it due to the secrecy 
agreement I signed.  But there are a few things that have happened since the 
settlement that I can talk about.

  The three young fellows, guys I hired, guys I gave equity to,  that saw an 
opening to not only throw me out the window but to keep me out forever all 
got fired last summer.  

  Then this week, I discovered their former employer is suing them for 
embezzlement.  I would not have wished any of that on them but I do still have 
somewhat fresh knife wounds in my back.  

  When they threw me out, they decided to sub everything out rather than do 
their own construction.  So they took most of the collection of toys I had 
assembled over many years to Richie Brothers.  

  Last week we saw a fiber figure 8 machine for sale.  $700  Turns out to be 
the very one I bought off of ebay in my previous life.   The guy that bought it 
got it as part of a lot and never used it.  It has some fiber on it.  Still has 
a Beehive logo on the side...

  This morning I spliced a pigtale onto a strand of the 72 count microfiber and 
shot it with the OTDR 6500 feet of good fiber came with it.  $3250 worth of 
fiber

  Sure glad my youngest son is vigilant in reading the KSL classifieds.  

  Some days I feel like a modern day Job.  (as in Jobe, from the Old 
Testament).  That story did have a good ending you know...



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