Re: [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?

[Daniel White]

Right.  My point was more to why you had to by the antenna from the 
radio distributor instead of buying from just say a Commscope 
distributor (or RFS or Radiowaves or...).


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Bill Prince wrote on 2/8/19 18:03:
Plus antenna vendors wanted to sell antennas & not adapters. We ended 
up buying new radios from a radio vendor in order to avoid swapping 
antennas. We wouldn't have necessarily picked the radio(s) we did if 
we could have upgraded the link with a simple radio+adapter.


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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 4:35 PM Tim Hardy > wrote:


I can backup the third bullet point as I saw it from an antenna
vendor’s viewpoint. The radios vendors forbid the antenna vendor
from selling the interface plate.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2019, at 6:55 PM, Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:


So on the why... a few things I can add:

  * Many manufacturers believed their direct connect interface
was special, or proprietary... and would not openly provide
specifications (I seem to recall a former employer zealous
lawyers threatening to sue someone on this list... :-)
  * There was no advantage, on the manufacturer side, to standardize
  o it would also inevitably prevent manufacturers from
making other changes they may see as beneficial
  * Manufacturers want to sell antennas, and by creating a
special interface they control the supply chain of new
antennas (since the antenna manufacturers sign agreements to
prevent it)
  * The market didn't push back hard enough on proprietary
interfaces.


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Mark Radabaugh wrote on 2/8/19 16:00:

To add to what Chuck said -

The manufacturers don’t make the antenna’s specific to the
various manufacturers other than adding an adapter plate.   You
can remove the radio mount from a Andrew / Commscope antenna and
replace it with the adapter kit for the radio brand.   The
adapter kits can be ordered individually as needed - the hard
part is finding the part numbers. Radiowaves is the same.   We
have changed a number of antenna’s from Dragonwave, PTP800, and
SAF to PTP820 or SAF over the years.

If anyone wants Andrew Remec (PTP800) adapters we have a pile of
them.

Mark


On Feb 8, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

On rectangular waveguide, almost everyone conforms to the
inside dimensions of the waveguide for the frequency.  However
for some frequencies there are up to three different waveguide
sizes that will work.  Lots of overlap in the bandwidths of
wavelengths.
But for dual pol antennas, the feeds all have a circular
waveguide and those are much less common and not standardized. 
So they pick a diameter that fits the center of their
bandwidth.  .750”, .777” .780” are all common sizes used for 11
GHz.  And really you can mate them with each other with almost
no return loss issues.
My transgender / interspecies adapter products generally use
the exact diameter the antenna it mates with uses.
Now, that is the inside of the waveguide.  The outside of the
waveguide, the “nose” of the antenna, that is a variety of
inventions by the various radio manufacturers.  The Remec
design is most common.  A handful of radio vendors used that
form factor.  It is a bit larger than it needs to be with the
exception of 6 GHz rectangular.  That just barely fits in a
Remec and would not fit in a Dragonwave.
Exalt is so close to Remec it is laughable.  I really wish they
would have just used the same dimensions, but everybody has to
be different.  I think they may have believe that if they had
their own standard, it would increase brand loyalty as nobody
wants to change antennas.  But in reality, I can make any radio
work with any antenna if the frequencies are similar.
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Friday, February 08, 2019 2:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna
waveguide standard?
Probably more a question for Chuck then anyone else.
There's (ignoring frequency-related size) at least a dozen
 waveguide
connector standards to interface radios with antennas... when
buying a licensed backhaul radio, pretty much every physical
and software interface on the unit conforms to a standard,
except the antenna interface. But it seems that a physical-only
interface like that would 

Re: [AFMUG] 450M POE

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Just curious, if you have a power source compatible with the tyco converter
(36-72V in), why are you bothering with a DC-DC converter at all?

The 450M is fine with pretty much any polarity of 48V.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 1:07 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

>
> I know we have covered this a few times. Will the TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP power
> the 450M.  In other locations I'm running a DC-DC converter and then
> running it through one of Chucks APC style injectors but I'd prefer an all
> in one for this location.
>
>
> http://www.tycononline.com/TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP-36-72VDC-In-56VDC-70W-Passive-POE-Out-DCDC_p_28.html
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Packetflux

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Sadly, some of their offers were remarkably similar to the demands of
various distributors in order for them to carry our products.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 3:08 PM  wrote:

> You guys are great. Order was placed with Forrest but I’ll keep you in
> mind for next time.
>
>
>
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736 Office
> 530-748-9608 Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> just give me your credit card info I dont charge markup
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 3:42 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I can beat that. I'll do it for 50% markup.
>>
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>>
>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 7:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I can resell to you. Only a modest 25% markup.   I will have Forrest
>>> drop ship directly to you!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Jason Wilson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That was the answer I was looking for. I placed an order yesterday.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you Forrest.
>>>
>>> Jason Wilson
>>> Remotely Located
>>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places
>>> 530-651-1736 Office
>>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2019, at 3:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Since we don't have any distributors, direct is probably your best
>>> bet :)
>>>
>>> -forrest
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:57 PM  wrote:
>>>


 Paging Forrest. Best way to order through the website or distribution?

 Jason Wilson
 Remotely Located
 Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
 530-651-1736 Office
 530-748-9608 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Illinois Taxes

[Bill Prince]

but it would be warm..

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 4:55 PM Jerry Head  wrote:

> Ecuador...good place to get yourself murdered.
>
>
> On 2/6/2019 9:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Ecuador.  National health care.  Nice climate.  Good food.  Low cost
> housekeepers.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 7:33 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Illinois Taxes
>
>
> Taxing retirement income is also a brilliant idea.  Those people are
> already retired, nothing keeping them here in the land of 25 below weather,
> let’s give them one more push out the door to Arizona.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Illinois Taxes
>
>
>
> If only.
>
>
>
> I can't figure out what state they're living in that they think raising
> taxes yet again is a good idea. Oh, and adding a tax on other services,
> which will likely include Internet service.
>
> On Wednesday, February 6, 2019, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Tax stupidity:
>
> https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2012/11/01
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Illinois Taxes
>
>
>
> Would someone who lives closer to Chicago go find the individuals involved
> in this Civic Committee and give them a full out Rick James-style slap for
> me please?
>
>
>
>
> https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-illinois-finances-civic-committee-20190205-story.html
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Re: [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?

[Bill Prince]

Plus antenna vendors wanted to sell antennas & not adapters. We ended up
buying new radios from a radio vendor in order to avoid swapping antennas.
We wouldn't have necessarily picked the radio(s) we did if we could have
upgraded the link with a simple radio+adapter.

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 4:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

> I can backup the third bullet point as I saw it from an antenna vendor’s
> viewpoint.  The radios vendors forbid the antenna vendor from selling the
> interface plate.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 8, 2019, at 6:55 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
> So on the why... a few things I can add:
>
>- Many manufacturers believed their direct connect interface was
>special, or proprietary... and would not openly provide specifications (I
>seem to recall a former employer zealous lawyers threatening to sue someone
>on this list... :-)
>- There was no advantage, on the manufacturer side, to standardize
>   - it would also inevitably prevent manufacturers from making other
>   changes they may see as beneficial
>- Manufacturers want to sell antennas, and by creating a special
>interface they control the supply chain of new antennas (since the antenna
>manufacturers sign agreements to prevent it)
>- The market didn't push back hard enough on proprietary interfaces.
>
>
> [image: Logo] 
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> Mark Radabaugh wrote on 2/8/19 16:00:
>
> To add to what Chuck said -
>
> The manufacturers don’t make the antenna’s specific to the various
> manufacturers other than adding an adapter plate.   You can remove the
> radio mount from a Andrew / Commscope antenna and replace it with the
> adapter kit for the radio brand.   The adapter kits can be ordered
> individually as needed - the hard part is finding the part numbers.
> Radiowaves is the same.   We have changed a number of antenna’s from
> Dragonwave, PTP800, and SAF to PTP820 or SAF over the years.
>
> If anyone wants Andrew Remec (PTP800) adapters we have a pile of them.
>
> Mark
>
> On Feb 8, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> On rectangular waveguide, almost everyone conforms to the inside
> dimensions of the waveguide for the frequency.  However for some
> frequencies there are up to three different waveguide sizes that will
> work.  Lots of overlap in the bandwidths of wavelengths.
>
> But for dual pol antennas, the feeds all have a circular waveguide and
> those are much less common and not standardized.  So they pick a diameter
> that fits the center of their bandwidth.  .750”, .777” .780” are all common
> sizes used for 11 GHz.  And really you can mate them with each other with
> almost no return loss issues.
>
> My transgender / interspecies adapter products generally use the exact
> diameter the antenna it mates with uses.
>
> Now, that is the inside of the waveguide.  The outside of the waveguide,
> the “nose” of the antenna, that is a variety of inventions by the various
> radio manufacturers.  The Remec design is most common.  A handful of radio
> vendors used that form factor.  It is a bit larger than it needs to be with
> the exception of 6 GHz rectangular.  That just barely fits in a Remec and
> would not fit in a Dragonwave.
>
> Exalt is so close to Remec it is laughable.  I really wish they would have
> just used the same dimensions, but everybody has to be different.  I think
> they may have believe that if they had their own standard, it would
> increase brand loyalty as nobody wants to change antennas.  But in reality,
> I can make any radio work with any antenna if the frequencies are similar.
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Friday, February 08, 2019 2:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide
> standard?
>
> Probably more a question for Chuck then anyone else.
>
> There's (ignoring frequency-related size) at least a dozen
>  waveguide connector
> standards to interface radios with antennas... when buying a licensed
> backhaul radio, pretty much every physical and software interface on the
> unit conforms to a standard, except the antenna interface. But it seems
> that a physical-only interface like that would be the easiest to
> standardize. Any idea why that has never happened in the industry?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Illinois Taxes

[Jerry Head]

Ecuador...good place to get yourself murdered.


On 2/6/2019 9:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Ecuador.  National health care.  Nice climate.  Good food.  Low cost 
housekeepers.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 7:33 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Illinois Taxes

Taxing retirement income is also a brilliant idea.  Those people are 
already retired, nothing keeping them here in the land of 25 below 
weather, let’s give them one more push out the door to Arizona.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:23 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Illinois Taxes

If only.

I can't figure out what state they're living in that they think 
raising taxes yet again is a good idea. Oh, and adding a tax on other 
services, which will likely include Internet service.


On Wednesday, February 6, 2019, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Tax stupidity:

https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2012/11/01

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:53 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Illinois Taxes

Would someone who lives closer to Chicago go find the individuals
involved in this Civic Committee and give them a full out Rick
James-style slap for me please?


https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-illinois-finances-civic-committee-20190205-story.html


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Re: [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?

[Tim Hardy]

I can backup the third bullet point as I saw it from an antenna vendor’s 
viewpoint.  The radios vendors forbid the antenna vendor from selling the 
interface plate.

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 8, 2019, at 6:55 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
> 
> So on the why... a few things I can add:
> Many manufacturers believed their direct connect interface was special, or 
> proprietary... and would not openly provide specifications (I seem to recall 
> a former employer zealous lawyers threatening to sue someone on this list... 
> :-)
> There was no advantage, on the manufacturer side, to standardize
> it would also inevitably prevent manufacturers from making other changes they 
> may see as beneficial
> Manufacturers want to sell antennas, and by creating a special interface they 
> control the supply chain of new antennas (since the antenna manufacturers 
> sign agreements to prevent it)
> The market didn't push back hard enough on proprietary interfaces.  
> 
>   
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
> 
> Mark Radabaugh wrote on 2/8/19 16:00:
>> To add to what Chuck said - 
>> 
>> The manufacturers don’t make the antenna’s specific to the various 
>> manufacturers other than adding an adapter plate.   You can remove the radio 
>> mount from a Andrew / Commscope antenna and replace it with the adapter kit 
>> for the radio brand.   The adapter kits can be ordered individually as 
>> needed - the hard part is finding the part numbers. Radiowaves is the same.  
>>  We have changed a number of antenna’s from Dragonwave, PTP800, and SAF to 
>> PTP820 or SAF over the years.   
>> 
>> If anyone wants Andrew Remec (PTP800) adapters we have a pile of them.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On rectangular waveguide, almost everyone conforms to the inside dimensions 
>>> of the waveguide for the frequency.  However for some frequencies there are 
>>> up to three different waveguide sizes that will work.  Lots of overlap in 
>>> the bandwidths of wavelengths.
>>>  
>>> But for dual pol antennas, the feeds all have a circular waveguide and 
>>> those are much less common and not standardized.  So they pick a diameter 
>>> that fits the center of their bandwidth.  .750”, .777” .780” are all common 
>>> sizes used for 11 GHz.  And really you can mate them with each other with 
>>> almost no return loss issues. 
>>>  
>>> My transgender / interspecies adapter products generally use the exact 
>>> diameter the antenna it mates with uses. 
>>>  
>>> Now, that is the inside of the waveguide.  The outside of the waveguide, 
>>> the “nose” of the antenna, that is a variety of inventions by the various 
>>> radio manufacturers.  The Remec design is most common.  A handful of radio 
>>> vendors used that form factor.  It is a bit larger than it needs to be with 
>>> the exception of 6 GHz rectangular.  That just barely fits in a Remec and 
>>> would not fit in a Dragonwave. 
>>>  
>>> Exalt is so close to Remec it is laughable.  I really wish they would have 
>>> just used the same dimensions, but everybody has to be different.  I think 
>>> they may have believe that if they had their own standard, it would 
>>> increase brand loyalty as nobody wants to change antennas.  But in reality, 
>>> I can make any radio work with any antenna if the frequencies are similar. 
>>>  
>>> From: Colin Stanners
>>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 2:56 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?
>>>  
>>> Probably more a question for Chuck then anyone else.
>>>  
>>> There's (ignoring frequency-related size) at least a dozen waveguide 
>>> connector standards to interface radios with antennas... when buying a 
>>> licensed backhaul radio, pretty much every physical and software interface 
>>> on the unit conforms to a standard, except the antenna interface. But it 
>>> seems that a physical-only interface like that would be the easiest to 
>>> standardize. Any idea why that has never happened in the industry?
>>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?

[Daniel White]

So on the why... a few things I can add:

 * Many manufacturers believed their direct connect interface was
   special, or proprietary... and would not openly provide
   specifications (I seem to recall a former employer zealous lawyers
   threatening to sue someone on this list... :-)
 * There was no advantage, on the manufacturer side, to standardize
 o it would also inevitably prevent manufacturers from making other
   changes they may see as beneficial
 * Manufacturers want to sell antennas, and by creating a special
   interface they control the supply chain of new antennas (since the
   antenna manufacturers sign agreements to prevent it)
 * The market didn't push back hard enough on proprietary interfaces.


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Mark Radabaugh wrote on 2/8/19 16:00:

To add to what Chuck said -

The manufacturers don’t make the antenna’s specific to the various 
manufacturers other than adding an adapter plate.   You can remove the 
radio mount from a Andrew / Commscope antenna and replace it with the 
adapter kit for the radio brand.   The adapter kits can be ordered 
individually as needed - the hard part is finding the part numbers. 
Radiowaves is the same.   We have changed a number of antenna’s from 
Dragonwave, PTP800, and SAF to PTP820 or SAF over the years.


If anyone wants Andrew Remec (PTP800) adapters we have a pile of them.

Mark

On Feb 8, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


On rectangular waveguide, almost everyone conforms to the inside 
dimensions of the waveguide for the frequency.  However for some 
frequencies there are up to three different waveguide sizes that will 
work.  Lots of overlap in the bandwidths of wavelengths.
But for dual pol antennas, the feeds all have a circular waveguide 
and those are much less common and not standardized.  So they pick a 
diameter that fits the center of their bandwidth.  .750”, .777” .780” 
are all common sizes used for 11 GHz.  And really you can mate them 
with each other with almost no return loss issues.
My transgender / interspecies adapter products generally use the 
exact diameter the antenna it mates with uses.
Now, that is the inside of the waveguide.  The outside of the 
waveguide, the “nose” of the antenna, that is a variety of inventions 
by the various radio manufacturers.  The Remec design is most 
common.  A handful of radio vendors used that form factor.  It is a 
bit larger than it needs to be with the exception of 6 GHz 
rectangular.  That just barely fits in a Remec and would not fit in a 
Dragonwave.
Exalt is so close to Remec it is laughable.  I really wish they would 
have just used the same dimensions, but everybody has to be 
different.  I think they may have believe that if they had their own 
standard, it would increase brand loyalty as nobody wants to change 
antennas.  But in reality, I can make any radio work with any antenna 
if the frequencies are similar.

*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Friday, February 08, 2019 2:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide 
standard?

Probably more a question for Chuck then anyone else.
There's (ignoring frequency-related size) at least a dozen 
 waveguide 
connector standards to interface radios with antennas... when buying 
a licensed backhaul radio, pretty much every physical and software 
interface on the unit conforms to a standard, except the antenna 
interface. But it seems that a physical-only interface like that 
would be the easiest to standardize. Any idea why that has never 
happened in the industry?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Digital Cameras

[Bill Prince]

I don't really consider the Powershot cameras "point and shoot".

My SO had a regular point-and-shoot Canon that she liked except that it ate
batteries like candy.

Then I got a real simple Panasonic that I really liked because I didn't
have to think about nearly anything.

So she replaced her Canon with a different Panasonic. It's built-in zoom
goes to 20 I think, and she really likes it.It's a lot simpler to operate
than any Canon that I've used.

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:03 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm Looking for a new point and shoot camera.  I've been using the Canon
> Powershot SX40, which I really like, and had survived many a tower climb
> in a bucket.  The problem is that it takes too long between each picture
> to write it to the SD Card.  It takes 2-3 seconds between pictures to
> store and reset.  When you're hanging off a tower, that's Eons.  It's
> also like 5 or 6 years old.  What's out there now for good point and
> click cameras, with good SD Write speed/ready for the next shot, and
> 40-50x optical zoom?  The SX70 is out now, but either It's not listed,
> or I don't know what to look for to see the delay between shots.
> Don't need anything super fancy, just good zoom, and quick pictures.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Digital Cameras

[Brian Webster]

Out of curiosity have you just tried an SD card of a high class like 10 that
has better read/write speeds. In an Android phone you would be surprised at
the performance difference from a class for to a class 10 chip.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Digital Cameras

I'm Looking for a new point and shoot camera.  I've been using the Canon 
Powershot SX40, which I really like, and had survived many a tower climb 
in a bucket.  The problem is that it takes too long between each picture 
to write it to the SD Card.  It takes 2-3 seconds between pictures to 
store and reset.  When you're hanging off a tower, that's Eons.  It's 
also like 5 or 6 years old.  What's out there now for good point and 
click cameras, with good SD Write speed/ready for the next shot, and 
40-50x optical zoom?  The SX70 is out now, but either It's not listed, 
or I don't know what to look for to see the delay between shots.
Don't need anything super fancy, just good zoom, and quick pictures.

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Re: [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?

[Mark Radabaugh]

To add to what Chuck said - 

The manufacturers don’t make the antenna’s specific to the various 
manufacturers other than adding an adapter plate.   You can remove the radio 
mount from a Andrew / Commscope antenna and replace it with the adapter kit for 
the radio brand.   The adapter kits can be ordered individually as needed - the 
hard part is finding the part numbers. Radiowaves is the same.   We have 
changed a number of antenna’s from Dragonwave, PTP800, and SAF to PTP820 or SAF 
over the years.   

If anyone wants Andrew Remec (PTP800) adapters we have a pile of them.

Mark

> On Feb 8, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> On rectangular waveguide, almost everyone conforms to the inside dimensions 
> of the waveguide for the frequency.  However for some frequencies there are 
> up to three different waveguide sizes that will work.  Lots of overlap in the 
> bandwidths of wavelengths.
>  
> But for dual pol antennas, the feeds all have a circular waveguide and those 
> are much less common and not standardized.  So they pick a diameter that fits 
> the center of their bandwidth.  .750”, .777” .780” are all common sizes used 
> for 11 GHz.  And really you can mate them with each other with almost no 
> return loss issues. 
>  
> My transgender / interspecies adapter products generally use the exact 
> diameter the antenna it mates with uses. 
>  
> Now, that is the inside of the waveguide.  The outside of the waveguide, the 
> “nose” of the antenna, that is a variety of inventions by the various radio 
> manufacturers.  The Remec design is most common.  A handful of radio vendors 
> used that form factor.  It is a bit larger than it needs to be with the 
> exception of 6 GHz rectangular.  That just barely fits in a Remec and would 
> not fit in a Dragonwave. 
>  
> Exalt is so close to Remec it is laughable.  I really wish they would have 
> just used the same dimensions, but everybody has to be different.  I think 
> they may have believe that if they had their own standard, it would increase 
> brand loyalty as nobody wants to change antennas.  But in reality, I can make 
> any radio work with any antenna if the frequencies are similar. 
>  
> From: Colin Stanners <>
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 2:56 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?
>  
> Probably more a question for Chuck then anyone else.
>  
> There's (ignoring frequency-related size) at least a dozen 
>  waveguide connector 
> standards to interface radios with antennas... when buying a licensed 
> backhaul radio, pretty much every physical and software interface on the unit 
> conforms to a standard, except the antenna interface. But it seems that a 
> physical-only interface like that would be the easiest to standardize. Any 
> idea why that has never happened in the industry?
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Chuck McCown]

At the higher frequencies, like 11 GHz, circulators and filters are small 
enough you can cobble together an outdoor only system.  I cannot over emphasize 
that Tim said about losses.  3.6 dB adds directly to the noise figure and that 
is the holy grail of SNR and receiver sensitivity.  

From: Tim Hardy 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 3:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

The circulator/filter method is used with virtually every 2+0 or more indoor 
radio setup.  Combiners are used for outdoor models such as those we have been 
discussing here and a typical loss per side is about 3.6 dB or 7.2 dB on the 
path.  This shouldn’t be overlooked when designing high capacity / high 
modulation systems since you will need every bit of system gain you can get (or 
antenna sizes must be greatly increased). 

Whenever looking at competing radios and their published capacities, it is also 
important to closely examine and compare their system gains to see what works 
on your proposed path.  As an example, the Navigator High Capacity 80 MHz Bmw 
radio has a 68.7 dB system gain at 4096 QAM vs. 77 dB system gain on the Aviat 
WTM 4100 similarly configured.


Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2019, at 4:13 PM,   wrote:


  You can put as many radios as you want on an antenna subject to bandwidth 
limits of the antenna and everyone getting along frequency wise.  This shows 
the circulator/filter method.  There is a hybrid combiner method too but I 
think you lose more signal with that method.

  

  From: Colin Stanners 
  Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:02 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

  You'd need two 11Ghz combiners to combine each of the AF11 polarities from 
the radios to the antenna... I'm not sure if you'd need to have high/low-pass 
filters as well, depends how good those radios are at filtering powerful 
out-of-channel noise.

  With the Bridgewave example those would be full 80mhz carriers, so 160Mhz of 
spectrum on each polarity.




  On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Matt  wrote:

Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
double throughput?

>>dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)

With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
> Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x 
carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator can do 
2.5Gbps each direction.
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:
>>
>> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and 
how?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?

[Chuck McCown]

On rectangular waveguide, almost everyone conforms to the inside dimensions of 
the waveguide for the frequency.  However for some frequencies there are up to 
three different waveguide sizes that will work.  Lots of overlap in the 
bandwidths of wavelengths.

But for dual pol antennas, the feeds all have a circular waveguide and those 
are much less common and not standardized.  So they pick a diameter that fits 
the center of their bandwidth.  .750”, .777” .780” are all common sizes used 
for 11 GHz.  And really you can mate them with each other with almost no return 
loss issues.  

My transgender / interspecies adapter products generally use the exact diameter 
the antenna it mates with uses.  

Now, that is the inside of the waveguide.  The outside of the waveguide, the 
“nose” of the antenna, that is a variety of inventions by the various radio 
manufacturers.  The Remec design is most common.  A handful of radio vendors 
used that form factor.  It is a bit larger than it needs to be with the 
exception of 6 GHz rectangular.  That just barely fits in a Remec and would not 
fit in a Dragonwave.  

Exalt is so close to Remec it is laughable.  I really wish they would have just 
used the same dimensions, but everybody has to be different.  I think they may 
have believe that if they had their own standard, it would increase brand 
loyalty as nobody wants to change antennas.  But in reality, I can make any 
radio work with any antenna if the frequencies are similar.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 2:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?

Probably more a question for Chuck then anyone else.

There's (ignoring frequency-related size) at least a dozen waveguide connector 
standards to interface radios with antennas... when buying a licensed backhaul 
radio, pretty much every physical and software interface on the unit conforms 
to a standard, except the antenna interface. But it seems that a physical-only 
interface like that would be the easiest to standardize. Any idea why that has 
never happened in the industry?




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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Tim Hardy]

The circulator/filter method is used with virtually every 2+0 or more indoor 
radio setup.  Combiners are used for outdoor models such as those we have been 
discussing here and a typical loss per side is about 3.6 dB or 7.2 dB on the 
path.  This shouldn’t be overlooked when designing high capacity / high 
modulation systems since you will need every bit of system gain you can get (or 
antenna sizes must be greatly increased).

Whenever looking at competing radios and their published capacities, it is also 
important to closely examine and compare their system gains to see what works 
on your proposed path.  As an example, the Navigator High Capacity 80 MHz Bmw 
radio has a 68.7 dB system gain at 4096 QAM vs. 77 dB system gain on the Aviat 
WTM 4100 similarly configured.

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 8, 2019, at 4:13 PM,   wrote:
> 
> You can put as many radios as you want on an antenna subject to bandwidth 
> limits of the antenna and everyone getting along frequency wise.  This shows 
> the circulator/filter method.  There is a hybrid combiner method too but I 
> think you lose more signal with that method.
>  
> 
>  
> From: Colin Stanners
> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:02 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support
>  
> You'd need two 11Ghz combiners to combine each of the AF11 polarities from 
> the radios to the antenna... I'm not sure if you'd need to have high/low-pass 
> filters as well, depends how good those radios are at filtering powerful 
> out-of-channel noise.
>  
> With the Bridgewave example those would be full 80mhz carriers, so 160Mhz of 
> spectrum on each polarity.
>  
>  
>  
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Matt  wrote:
>> Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
>> double throughput?
>> 
>> >>dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)
>> 
>> With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
>> carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
>> >
>> > Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x 
>> > carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator 
>> > can do 2.5Gbps each direction.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and 
>> >> how?
>> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Mathew Howard]

For what it's worth, we've had two Bridgewave FL4G-LITE 80ghz links running
for about a year with no issues.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 3:36 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> There are people here who have the units deployed.  I believe Rory has a
> link.
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:35 PM David Sovereen 
> wrote:
>
>> I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid
>> and report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I
>> can’t get Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies
>> Jim Norton at Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order.
>> CTI is recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep
>> reading of disappointing experiences with their products like yours.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place.  While it has
>> been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had
>> some issues.  Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't
>> think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and
>> the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at
>> some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I
>> pay for additional support.  That, coupled with the fact that the radios
>> now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere.
>>
>> The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well.
>>
>> I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in
>> the wild.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
>>> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing
>>> is
>>> > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave
>>> > because of some random issues with links as well.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF,
>>> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
>>> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's
>>> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
>>> frustrating too.
>>>
>>> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing
>>> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
>>> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was
>>> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
>>> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
>>>
>>> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
>>> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
>>> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
>>> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
>>> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Packetflux

[jason]

You guys are great. Order was placed with Forrest but I’ll keep you in mind for 
next time. 



Jason Wilson
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Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736 Office
530-748-9608 Cell
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> On Feb 8, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> just give me your credit card info I dont charge markup
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 3:42 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> I can beat that. I'll do it for 50% markup.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 7:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> I can resell to you. Only a modest 25% markup.   I will have Forrest drop 
>>> ship directly to you!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 6, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Jason Wilson  wrote:
 
 That was the answer I was looking for. I placed an order yesterday. 
 
 
 Thank you Forrest. 
 
 Jason Wilson
 Remotely Located
 Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places
 530-651-1736 Office
 530-748-9608 Cell
 www.remotelylocated.com
 
> On Feb 6, 2019, at 3:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Since we don't have any distributors, direct is probably your best 
> bet :)
> 
> -forrest
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:57 PM  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Paging Forrest. Best way to order through the website or distribution?
>>> 
>>> Jason Wilson
>>> Remotely Located
>>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>>> 530-651-1736 Office
>>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>>> www.remotelylocated.com
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[AFMUG] OT: Digital Cameras

[Nate Burke]

I'm Looking for a new point and shoot camera.  I've been using the Canon 
Powershot SX40, which I really like, and had survived many a tower climb 
in a bucket.  The problem is that it takes too long between each picture 
to write it to the SD Card.  It takes 2-3 seconds between pictures to 
store and reset.  When you're hanging off a tower, that's Eons.  It's 
also like 5 or 6 years old.  What's out there now for good point and 
click cameras, with good SD Write speed/ready for the next shot, and 
40-50x optical zoom?  The SX70 is out now, but either It's not listed, 
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[AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?

[Colin Stanners]

Probably more a question for Chuck then anyone else.

There's (ignoring frequency-related size) at least a dozen
 waveguide connector
standards to interface radios with antennas... when buying a licensed
backhaul radio, pretty much every physical and software interface on the
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Re: [AFMUG] Tool Safety

[chuck]

I had a guy have is ladder slide sideways because he did not bungee to gutter 
spikes.
Fell and broke his ankle really bad.  
Healed up mostly, went to visit a girl in Guatemala.  On his way back he was 
late and tried to do an O.J Simpson through the airport.  Re-injured the leg.  
Went to the hospital.  Internal bleed.  He is a hemophiliac.  
Got traded around by clinics and hospitals all claiming to fix him.  I was 
following all this and then one of the clinics called me, said: “come get your 
man, he is going to die”.
I hired a lear jet ambulance to go get him and take him to Miami.

Miami ER said no room.  I told them that I will have the pilot dial 911 as soon 
as they land and I promise an ambulance will pick him up and drop him off.  The 
ER room guys complemented me on knowing the loop hole.  I didn’t know the loop 
hole but it is only common sense.  

Miami hospital got him the right clotting factors, the guy was getting much 
better, looking like he could come home... then sepsis.  Got called by his ex 
wife asking if I could go to Miami and give him a blessing (a Mormon laying on 
of the hands and anointing thing).  I did.  I had to get suited up in a full 
hazmat suit to go into the MICU.  

Did not even recognize him.  Head as big as a pumpkin and the same color too.  
He was in a coma.  I did my thing and left.  His Ex got the insurance company 
to fly him to Utah so he could be around his kids.  So at least they might be 
able to visit him before he croaked.  

Dr in Utah called me and the Ex in and said he had to remove a tube from his 
liver.  Being hemo he may die.  The guy was still totally out of it.  Wanted to 
know what we wanted to do.  Odd that he was asking me, but he did.  The ex and 
I said do it.  Scheduled for the next day.  Dread.  Turns out that the guy woke 
up in the middle of the night and pulled it out himself.

Took 2-3 years before his brain cleared up etc.  

Ladder safety.  Yeah, I am all for it...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tool Safety

id like to see policy/training on this too? 
ladder safety also (this got us bad)



On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:45 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  What do you guys use regarding safety training over hand tools?

  Mostly giving someone a hard time for an accident, but partially seeing if 
there's something useful out there.





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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Packetflux

[Steve Jones]

just give me your credit card info I dont charge markup

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 3:42 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I can beat that. I'll do it for 50% markup.
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> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 7:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I can resell to you. Only a modest 25% markup.   I will have Forrest drop
>> ship directly to you!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Jason Wilson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That was the answer I was looking for. I placed an order yesterday.
>>
>>
>> Thank you Forrest.
>>
>> Jason Wilson
>> Remotely Located
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places
>> 530-651-1736 Office
>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2019, at 3:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> Since we don't have any distributors, direct is probably your best
>> bet :)
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:57 PM  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paging Forrest. Best way to order through the website or distribution?
>>>
>>> Jason Wilson
>>> Remotely Located
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>>> 530-748-9608 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] Over 485, 000 Ubiquiti devices vulnerable to new attack | ZDNet

[Steve Jones]

turns out there were 5 old customer air routers still on network we missed.
They got hit (props to shadowserver) but looking at it is weird, the old
AC2 server i never got around to shutting off still had one of them in it.
the malware hit it, dropped the firmware down to one version, then down to
another. Weird, I assume it was opening it up to other vulnerabilities. one
of them wouldnt take the first firmware update after locking it down, had
the not enough free memory error. I couldnt find any files floating in it,
but im wondering if that second firmware downgrade was a hacked firmware

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:52 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I don't see any Mikrotik stuff that's really any less expensive than the
> bottom end UBNT (I'm talking LiteBeams and NanoStation Locos here), but
> yeah, the Mikrotik prices are close enough that it doesn't make any
> difference.
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 7:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I think Mikrotik is still less expensive on the low end.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>
>>
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>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:26:53 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Over 485, 000 Ubiquiti devices vulnerable to new
>> attack | ZDNet
>>
>> Indeed... I think you could consider most of the airFiber products
>> high-grade.
>>
>> But most of that other stuff is relatively ancient at this point... if
>> companies like Tranzeo are even still in business, I can't imagine who is
>> still using it, or why. When it comes to price, I don't think there's
>> really anything that can beat the low end Ubiquiti stuff.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:25 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> .and knowing that our friends at Ubiquiti are on this list as well,
>>> I feel I should point out that they make a lot of useful products and that
>>> in spite of our trash talking it's likely that every single one of us has
>>> found a use for something Ubqiuiti in their network.
>>>
>>> And maybe that multipoint LTU thing will rock our socks when it comes
>>> out in like 16 more years.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/5/2019 10:18 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi we're Ubiquiti, and we don't suck nearly as bad as Tranzeo.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 7:13 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
 SmartBridges
 WaveNet IP

 I'm not saying Ubiquiti is "high grade", but it's higher than some.
 It's not a Ceragon IP20, but it's certainly a contender for the highest of
 the low grade.


 On 2/5/2019 5:10 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

 Ubnt's AirFiber platform is great (as long as you don't need spatial
 diversity), I think we can all agree it's high-grade. But many of their
 other platforms suffer from the "let's develop random new products instead
 of fixing major bugs" issue so I wouldn't call them high-grade.

 What is definitely lower grade:
 -WRT54Gs in tupperware (still funny that this is how some WISPs started)
 -anything Tranzeo
 -Skypilot

 On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:21 PM Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> Can you get lower grade WISP equipment?
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:51 PM Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> it's all relative
>>
>> On 2/5/2019 10:28 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> "Most affected devices are high-grade WISP equipment"
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:23 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> am i the only one who shuts off discovery?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:25 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Is it my imagination, or does that article veer off toward the end
 into stuff that may not be Ubiquiti problems at all?  And from the
 description of the problem, I don’t see how it would lead to radios 
 being
 “defaced”, just used as an amplifier via Ubiquiti Discovery Protocol.



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 *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2019 7:00 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Over 485, 000 Ubiquiti devices vulnerable to
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Josh Baird]

There are people here who have the units deployed.  I believe Rory has a
link.

Josh

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:35 PM David Sovereen 
wrote:

> I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid
> and report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I
> can’t get Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies
> Jim Norton at Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order.
> CTI is recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep
> reading of disappointing experiences with their products like yours.
>
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place.  While it has
> been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had
> some issues.  Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't
> think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and
> the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at
> some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I
> pay for additional support.  That, coupled with the fact that the radios
> now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere.
>
> The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well.
>
> I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in the
> wild.
>
> -Jason
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
>> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing
>> is
>> > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave
>> > because of some random issues with links as well.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF,
>> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
>> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's
>> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
>> frustrating too.
>>
>> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing
>> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
>> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was
>> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
>> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
>>
>> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
>> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
>> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
>> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
>> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Tool Safety

[Steve Jones]

id like to see policy/training on this too?
ladder safety also (this got us bad)


On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:45 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> What do you guys use regarding safety training over hand tools?
>
> Mostly giving someone a hard time for an accident, but partially seeing if
> there's something useful out there.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 450M POE

[SmarterBroadband]

Netonix do a 80W POE.

 

NPOE-54V-80W

 

Would that work?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 12:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M POE

 




I know we have covered this a few times. Will the TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP power the 
450M.  In other locations I'm running a DC-DC converter and then running it 
through one of Chucks APC style injectors but I'd prefer an all in one for this 
location.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[chuck]

You can put as many radios as you want on an antenna subject to bandwidth 
limits of the antenna and everyone getting along frequency wise.  This shows 
the circulator/filter method.  There is a hybrid combiner method too but I 
think you lose more signal with that method.



From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

You'd need two 11Ghz combiners to combine each of the AF11 polarities from the 
radios to the antenna... I'm not sure if you'd need to have high/low-pass 
filters as well, depends how good those radios are at filtering powerful 
out-of-channel noise.

With the Bridgewave example those would be full 80mhz carriers, so 160Mhz of 
spectrum on each polarity.




On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Matt  wrote:

  Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
  double throughput?

  >>dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)

  With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
  carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?

  On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
  >
  > Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x 
carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator can do 
2.5Gbps each direction.
  >
  > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:
  >>
  >> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and how?
  >>
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M POE

[Carl Peterson]

Thanks Matt, I knew there was a reason I didn't use it before.  Getting
old.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:52 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
wrote:

> I would not recommend that PSU as the 5 GHz 450m can consume up to about
> 80W of peak power (though nomially consumes ~70W).
>
>
>
> I would hate for it to be working, then cut out or reset due to some
> traffic condition exceeding the capability of a 70W rated supply.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 2:06 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M POE
>
>
>
>
> I know we have covered this a few times. Will the TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP power
> the 450M.  In other locations I'm running a DC-DC converter and then
> running it through one of Chucks APC style injectors but I'd prefer an all
> in one for this location.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.tycononline.com/TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP-36-72VDC-In-56VDC-70W-Passive-POE-Out-DCDC_p_28.html
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Colin Stanners]

You'd need two 11Ghz combiners to combine each of the AF11 polarities from
the radios to the antenna... I'm not sure if you'd need to have
high/low-pass filters as well, depends how good those radios are at
filtering powerful out-of-channel noise.

With the Bridgewave example those would be full 80mhz carriers, so 160Mhz
of spectrum on each polarity.



On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Matt  wrote:

> Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
> double throughput?
>
> >>dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)
>
> With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
> carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
> >
> > Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x
> carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator can
> do 2.5Gbps each direction.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and
> how?
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] 450M POE

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

I would not recommend that PSU as the 5 GHz 450m can consume up to about 80W of 
peak power (though nomially consumes ~70W).

I would hate for it to be working, then cut out or reset due to some traffic 
condition exceeding the capability of a 70W rated supply.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] [AFMUG] 450M POE


I know we have covered this a few times. Will the TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP power the 
450M.  In other locations I'm running a DC-DC converter and then running it 
through one of Chucks APC style injectors but I'd prefer an all in one for this 
location.

http://www.tycononline.com/TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP-36-72VDC-In-56VDC-70W-Passive-POE-Out-DCDC_p_28.html
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Re: [AFMUG] FS: Used 450D SMs

[Gino A. Villarini]

[https://image.ibb.co/ctQ7jU/aeronet-logo.png]

[https://i.ibb.co/52CYbSB/gigabit1-alone.png]

450B for the 5.1 band

From: AF  on behalf of Matt 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, February 8, 2019 at 4:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Used 450D SMs

Just curious why you are getting rid of them and what you have replaced them 
with?



On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 5:53 AM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
[cid:~WRD352.jpg]


[cid:~WRD352.jpg]

10 unit lots – Used, working 450D SMs $1500

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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[chuck]

Yep, it is a kludge thought.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt

Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 1:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
double throughput?


dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)


With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:


Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x 
carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator 
can do 2.5Gbps each direction.


On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:


What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and 
how?


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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Matt]

Is it possible to do dual radios on one antenna with the AirFiber11 to
double throughput?

>>dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers (2 on each polarity)

With the Bridgewave, does that mean you are transmitting on two 40mhz
carriers on each polarity or two 80mhz carriers or each polarity?

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:40 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
> Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x carriers 
> (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator can do 2.5Gbps 
> each direction.
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:
>>
>> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and how?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] FS: Used 450D SMs

[Matt]

Just curious why you are getting rid of them and what you have replaced
them with?



On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 5:53 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> 
>
> 
>
> 10 unit lots – Used, working 450D SMs $1500
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[AFMUG] 450M POE

[Carl Peterson]

I know we have covered this a few times. Will the TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP power
the 450M.  In other locations I'm running a DC-DC converter and then
running it through one of Chucks APC style injectors but I'd prefer an all
in one for this location.

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Re: [AFMUG] HDTV antenna

[chuck]

Anxious for the full report.  I would give you odds that the streaming content, 
if any of it is brand name, is not legit.  
But still, if the price is right, buy it and use it until they get busted.  
Unless they do a directv/dish type of thing and reach out to folks that bought 
cracked boxes.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 12:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HDTV antenna

Right 
He ordered one for me...I will get information on it to you ..my brother is not 
generous on information...

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 9:28 AM  
wrote:

My brother got this system and has tons of channels...all the local digital 
ones of traditional broadcasters but a ton of others called IP plus three digit 
station number.. history, tbs, etc 
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[David Sovereen]

I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid and 
report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I can’t get 
Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies Jim Norton at 
Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order. CTI is 
recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep reading of 
disappointing experiences with their products like yours. 

Dave

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place.  While it has been 
> pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had some 
> issues.  Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't think 
> should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and the 
> replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at some 
> point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I pay for 
> additional support.  That, coupled with the fact that the radios now cost not 
> quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere.
> 
> The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well.
> 
> I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in the 
> wild.
> 
> -Jason
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The 
>> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is 
>> > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave 
>> > because of some random issues with links as well.
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, 
>> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all 
>> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's 
>> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond 
>> frustrating too.
>> 
>> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing 
>> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect 
>> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was 
>> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these 
>> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
>> 
>> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. 
>> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. 
>> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the 
>> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to 
>> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] HDTV antenna

[Jaime Solorza]

Right
He ordered one for me...I will get information on it to you ..my brother is
not generous on information...

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 9:28 AM  No monthly fees, right?
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:59 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] HDTV antenna
>
> Brand/source?
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> My brother got this system and has tons of channels...all the local
>> digital ones of traditional broadcasters but a ton of others called IP plus
>> three digit station number.. history, tbs, etc
>> 29.00
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Re: [AFMUG] HDTV antenna

[Jaime Solorza]

BSC

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 9:00 AM Cameron Crum  Brand/source?
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> My brother got this system and has tons of channels...all the local
>> digital ones of traditional broadcasters but a ton of others called IP plus
>> three digit station number.. history, tbs, etc
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Colin Stanners]

Depends on channel numbers and size. With dual-polarity/XPIC and 4x
carriers (2 on each polarity), at full 2048QAM the Bridgewave Navigator can
do 2.5Gbps each direction.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Matt  wrote:

> What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and how?
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Jason McKemie]

I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place.  While it has
been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had
some issues.  Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't
think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and
the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at
some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I
pay for additional support.  That, coupled with the fact that the radios
now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere.

The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well.

I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in the
wild.

-Jason

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is
> > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave
> > because of some random issues with links as well.
> >
>
>
> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF,
> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's
> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
> frustrating too.
>
> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing
> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was
> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
>
> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Matt]

What is the most throughput you can get out of a single 11ghz dish and how?

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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[Colin Stanners]

Don't the Exalt ExtremeAir have built-in XPIC with 2 radios? I would expect
that to work well; I did some work with the single-polarity Exalt
ExploreAir where some ethernet-type cables were used to wire the separate
radios together to do XPIC and that didn't work reliably.

If you need a spare ExtremeAir 11Ghz radio, I think that we have one to
sell.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:00 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> We have found the complete opposite.  We have 10 Exalt Extreme Air 11 and
> 18GHz XPIC links and they have been trouble free.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support
>
>
>
> Exalt is totally dead AFAIK; Star Microwave, which used to do their tech
> support, still does some support, and has some spare equipment. If you need
> Exalt radio  firmware updates or datasheets I have good stock of that for a
> few product series.
>
>
>
> I have never had good luck with Exalt XPIC. You may want to do a complete
> reboot of both radios and both ends at the same time,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:11 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> Is it true that Exalt is totally dead? I am having issues with a set of
> Extend AIR XPIC radios and can't figure out if it is interference or radio
> failure.
>
> Anyone have suggestions? The radios are showing Modulation Mode 1 = 0 bits
> of traffic on the downlink.
>
> The other set is showing Mode 6 =598 mbps. But we rebooted the "bad" set
> and the "good" set went wonky, and the "bad" set works fine now.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

[SmarterBroadband]

We have found the complete opposite.  We have 10 Exalt Extreme Air 11 and 18GHz 
XPIC links and they have been trouble free.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless Support

 

Exalt is totally dead AFAIK; Star Microwave, which used to do their tech 
support, still does some support, and has some spare equipment. If you need 
Exalt radio  firmware updates or datasheets I have good stock of that for a few 
product series.

 

I have never had good luck with Exalt XPIC. You may want to do a complete 
reboot of both radios and both ends at the same time,

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:11 AM Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Is it true that Exalt is totally dead? I am having issues with a set of Extend 
AIR XPIC radios and can't figure out if it is interference or radio failure.

Anyone have suggestions? The radios are showing Modulation Mode 1 = 0 bits of 
traffic on the downlink.

The other set is showing Mode 6 =598 mbps. But we rebooted the "bad" set and 
the "good" set went wonky, and the "bad" set works fine now.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Daniel White]

I got laid off at the end of 2012 as the company took a round of funding 
with the condition to lay off 25% of the workforce... a few days before 
Christmas.


I was upset at the time, but in hindsight it was the right time to move on.

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phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766


Bill Prince wrote on 2/8/19 08:51:
I dunno. I've looked at Bridgewave a few times, and I always walked 
away because of the price of entry. We always found a way to solve the 
problem at a lower cost.


Maybe that's why Dan isn't there anymore?

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:33 AM > wrote:


I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of
Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them.  I have
had bad
experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat.

-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
> price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio
sparing is a
> big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave
because of
> some random issues with links as well.
>


Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from
SAF,
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but
it's
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
frustrating too.

One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back
testing
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said
that was
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.

Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.


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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Daniel White]

Yes, and by pushing those companies to pour R resources into products 
that were specific to them and never got bought.


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Colin Stanners wrote on 2/8/19 09:18:
Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive 
ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is 
there something else that I'm missing?


On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White > wrote:


That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having
80GHz products.

They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley.  There is
only one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy
on the East Coast (Jim Norton).

Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they
did to Dragonwave.

I don't have any opinion of them now.

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Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766


ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote on 2/8/19 08:32:

I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises
of Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them.  I
have had bad experiences myself and I know a handful of others in
a similar boat.

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio
sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing
off Bridgewave because of some random issues with links as well.




Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear
from SAF,
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category
but it's
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
frustrating too.

One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back
testing
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be
perfect
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said
that was
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.

Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up
again.
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.




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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Robert]

Clearwire was such a screw-over in oh so many ways. What they did to 
Intel was legendary..   Talk about getting everyone to drink the Kool-aid...


On 2/8/19 8:38 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I agree with that statement. We got a PCN from Comsearch with 255 links 
on it (from Clearwire), and 18 of them were at one of our towers. Wha?!?


I talked to the tower manager, and he told me they would have to be 
doing major construction in order to accommodate the build out.


In the end, they built none of them.

If Dragonwave made bank on too much of that, they would have put 
themselves in major hurt. Well, I guess they did.


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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 8:22 AM > wrote:


Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the
expectation of the boom continuing.  They should have just banked
the cash.
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the
massive ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing,
or is there something else that I'm missing?
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White  wrote:

That was a very different BridgeWave though.  Pre-Siklu having
80GHz products.

They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley.  There
is only one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales
guy on the East Coast (Jim Norton).

Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they
did to Dragonwave.

I don't have any opinion of them now.

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Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766


ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32:

I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the
praises of Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for
them.  I have had bad experiences myself and I know a handful
of others in a similar boat.

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links.
The price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single
radio sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper
swearing off Bridgewave because of some random issues with
links as well.




Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear
from SAF,
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid
in all
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category
but it's
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
frustrating too.

One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to
back testing
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be
perfect
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support
said that was
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since
these
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed
them.

Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came
up again.
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one
side.
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to
the
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be
able to
trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.




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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Robert]

Isn't that the real skill in business.   Knowing when to hold 'em vs 
knowing when to fold 'em...


On 2/8/19 8:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the 
expectation of the boom continuing.  They should have just banked the cash.

*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive 
ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there 
something else that I'm missing?

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White  wrote:

That was a very different BridgeWave though.  Pre-Siklu having 80GHz
products.

They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley.  There is
only one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on
the East Coast (Jim Norton).

Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did
to Dragonwave.

I don't have any opinion of them now.

Logo    
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Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766


ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32:

I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises
of Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them.  I
have had bad experiences myself and I know a handful of others in
a similar boat.

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio
sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off
Bridgewave because of some random issues with links as well.




Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from
SAF,
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but
it's
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
frustrating too.

One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back
testing
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be
perfect
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said
that was
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.

Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up
again.
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Bill Prince]

I agree with that statement. We got a PCN from Comsearch with 255 links on
it (from Clearwire), and 18 of them were at one of our towers. Wha?!?

I talked to the tower manager, and he told me they would have to be doing
major construction in order to accommodate the build out.

In the end, they built none of them.

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 8:22 AM  wrote:

> Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the
> expectation of the boom continuing.  They should have just banked the
> cash.
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
>
> Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive
> ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there
> something else that I'm missing?
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> That was a very different BridgeWave though.  Pre-Siklu having 80GHz
>> products.
>>
>> They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley.  There is only
>> one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East
>> Coast (Jim Norton).
>>
>> Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to
>> Dragonwave.
>>
>> I don't have any opinion of them now.
>>
>> [image: Logo] 
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32:
>>
>> I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of
>> Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them.  I have had bad
>> experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
>>
>> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
>> price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a
>> big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of
>> some random issues with links as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF,
>> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
>> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's
>> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
>> frustrating too.
>>
>> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing
>> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
>> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was
>> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
>> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
>>
>> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
>> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
>> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
>> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
>> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[chuck]

Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the 
expectation of the boom continuing.  They should have just banked the cash.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive ramp-up 
of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there something else 
that I'm missing?


On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White  wrote:

  That was a very different BridgeWave though.  Pre-Siklu having 80GHz products.

  They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley.  There is only one 
person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East Coast (Jim 
Norton).

  Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to 
Dragonwave.

  I don't have any opinion of them now.


   Daniel White 
  Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations 
  phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 
  direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 
   


  ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32:

I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of 
Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them.  I have had bad 
experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat. 

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying 

On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: 

  This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The 
price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a big 
plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of some 
random issues with links as well. 




Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, 
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all 
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's 
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond 
frustrating too. 

One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing 
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect 
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was 
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these 
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. 

Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. 
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. 
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the 
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to 
trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. 





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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Colin Stanners]

Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive
ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there
something else that I'm missing?

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White  wrote:

> That was a very different BridgeWave though.  Pre-Siklu having 80GHz
> products.
>
> They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley.  There is only one
> person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East Coast
> (Jim Norton).
>
> Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to
> Dragonwave.
>
> I don't have any opinion of them now.
>
> [image: Logo] 
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32:
>
> I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of
> Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them.  I have had bad
> experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat.
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
>
> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
> price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a
> big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of
> some random issues with links as well.
>
>
>
> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF,
> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's
> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
> frustrating too.
>
> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing
> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was
> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
>
> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Daniel White]

That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having 80GHz 
products.


They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley.  There is only 
one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East 
Coast (Jim Norton).


Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to 
Dragonwave.


I don't have any opinion of them now.

Logo    
Daniel White
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766


ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32:
I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of 
Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them.  I have had 
bad experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat.


-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The 
price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing 
is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave 
because of some random issues with links as well.





Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF,
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
frustrating too.

One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.

Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.




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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/8/19 7:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I dunno. I've looked at Bridgewave a few times, and I always walked away 
because of the price of entry. We always found a way to solve the 
problem at a lower cost.





When I bought these links Siklu wasn't shipping their answer for 10Gbps 
mmwave.


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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Bill Prince]

I dunno. I've looked at Bridgewave a few times, and I always walked away
because of the price of entry. We always found a way to solve the problem
at a lower cost.

Maybe that's why Dan isn't there anymore?

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:33 AM  wrote:

> I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of
> Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them.  I have had bad
> experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
>
> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is
> a
> > big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because
> of
> > some random issues with links as well.
> >
>
>
> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF,
> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's
> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
> frustrating too.
>
> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing
> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was
> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
>
> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[chuck]

I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of 
Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them.  I have had bad 
experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat.


-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The 
price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a 
big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of 
some random issues with links as well.





Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF,
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
frustrating too.

One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.

Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.


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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The 
price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is 
a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave 
because of some random issues with links as well.





Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, 
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all 
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's 
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond 
frustrating too.


One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing 
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect 
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was 
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these 
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.


Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. 
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. 
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the 
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to 
trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.



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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying

[Jason McKemie]

This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a
big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of
some random issues with links as well.

On Thursday, February 7, 2019, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> I just spent 2 hours freezing on a roof trying to figure out why a
> Bridgewave link went down and refused to link up again, only for the
> solution to be reboot 15 both sides times and it randomly started working
> again. I'm going to replace it with a Siklu and hope for a better
> experience.
>
> So far all two Flex4G-1 links I set up have been problematic. That's a
> 100% failure rate from my perspective.
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