Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy

[Adam Moffett]

In any case, if you're wishing "happy" upon me, then I can only say 
thank you.



On 4/21/2019 12:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Choose all that apply:
Easter
Passover
Worshiping boiled chicken embryos and chocolate fertility symbols day.
Baked ham feast day.  (Did Jesus like ham?  We presume Noah did...)
Just another day at work (for all the small business owners).



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy

[Adam Moffett]

In any case, if you're wishing "happy" upon me then I can only say thank 
you.



On 4/21/2019 12:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Choose all that apply:
Easter
Passover
Worshiping boiled chicken embryos and chocolate fertility symbols day.
Baked ham feast day.  (Did Jesus like ham?  We presume Noah did...)
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Re: [AFMUG] OT another new toy

[Mark Radabaugh]

Just wrap your cell phone charger cord around the rim.  Just don’t try to 
really go around corners with the steering wheel tied to the charger :-)

Mark

> On Apr 22, 2019, at 10:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Yes, almost any touch will reset the alarm.  I am thinking of a little motor 
> powered shaker that I could clip to the steering wheel to fake it out.  I 
> have heard of strapping a water bottle to a Tesla steering wheel for the same 
> reason.  On a long trip on an interstate it might be handy, but really, 
> resting one finger on the wheel is zero effort and it is odd how it seems 
> much more relaxing to drive when it is keeping itself in the center of the 
> lane.
> 
> It even speeds up if you go to pass someone all by itself.  You do have to 
> manually steer the lane change but it knows if you come up behind someone and 
> put on the left turn signal, you are passing and it accelerates up to your 
> cruise control set point unless it finds someone in the left lane.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Robert
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:41 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT another new toy
> 
> Is resting your hand on the bottom of the wheel good enough?
> 
> On 4/22/19 5:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I went ahead and leased it.  This is my fourth leaf.  I had the very first 
>> one in Utah.  They have come a long way.  Love the auto pilot and the 
>> torque.  Has a 225 hp set of motors.  Range that you can actually count on 
>> is about 180 miles.  The auto pilot gets increasingly obnoxious if you don't 
>> put your hands on the wheel.  It finally briefly jams on the brakes a couple 
>> of times to wake you up.  Then it finally shuts off and slows way down.
>> 
>> I love the 360 degree overhead view that comes with the back up camera view. 
>> They stitch 4 cameras together to make it.
>> 
>> Under 6 seconds 0-60  I have not had a good chance to get really good timing 
>> on it yet.  Will burn a bit of rubber any time you punch it, even if  you 
>> are already going 30 mph.  Love to shoot into small gaps in traffic with 
>> this thing.  The old leafs were good at that but this one is great.
>> 
>> Could have had a used Tesla model S for the same amount of money.  Not sure 
>> how it could have been much better.  Perhaps a bit more room, a bit more 
>> torque, a bit more range - maybe.  Many more miles and more wear on the 
>> battery.
>> 
>> Nissan says it has an EPA range of 226 miles, but they have always published 
>> higher figures that you get in real life freeway commuter use. The original 
>> leaf published 84 miles but could only be counted on to do 65 miles in the 
>> summer and about 55 in the winter.
>> 
>> 3.4 miles per kwh seems to be a figure you can hang  your hat on with a 
>> leaf.  62 kwh battery, but you can't get all of the 62 kwhs out of it.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 2:23 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: OT another new toy
>> 
>> Drove the 2019 leaf.  Holy crap, it will unstick the tires very easily. 
>> 60kwh batt. Adaptive cruise and lane works extremely well.  Love everything 
>> about it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT another new toy

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, almost any touch will reset the alarm.  I am thinking of a little motor 
powered shaker that I could clip to the steering wheel to fake it out.  I 
have heard of strapping a water bottle to a Tesla steering wheel for the 
same reason.  On a long trip on an interstate it might be handy, but really, 
resting one finger on the wheel is zero effort and it is odd how it seems 
much more relaxing to drive when it is keeping itself in the center of the 
lane.


It even speeds up if you go to pass someone all by itself.  You do have to 
manually steer the lane change but it knows if you come up behind someone 
and put on the left turn signal, you are passing and it accelerates up to 
your cruise control set point unless it finds someone in the left lane.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT another new toy

Is resting your hand on the bottom of the wheel good enough?

On 4/22/19 5:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I went ahead and leased it.  This is my fourth leaf.  I had the very first 
one in Utah.  They have come a long way.  Love the auto pilot and the 
torque.  Has a 225 hp set of motors.  Range that you can actually count on 
is about 180 miles.  The auto pilot gets increasingly obnoxious if you 
don't put your hands on the wheel.  It finally briefly jams on the brakes 
a couple of times to wake you up.  Then it finally shuts off and slows way 
down.


I love the 360 degree overhead view that comes with the back up camera 
view. They stitch 4 cameras together to make it.


Under 6 seconds 0-60  I have not had a good chance to get really good 
timing on it yet.  Will burn a bit of rubber any time you punch it, even 
if  you are already going 30 mph.  Love to shoot into small gaps in 
traffic with this thing.  The old leafs were good at that but this one is 
great.


Could have had a used Tesla model S for the same amount of money.  Not 
sure how it could have been much better.  Perhaps a bit more room, a bit 
more torque, a bit more range - maybe.  Many more miles and more wear on 
the battery.


Nissan says it has an EPA range of 226 miles, but they have always 
published higher figures that you get in real life freeway commuter use. 
The original leaf published 84 miles but could only be counted on to do 65 
miles in the summer and about 55 in the winter.


3.4 miles per kwh seems to be a figure you can hang  your hat on with a 
leaf.  62 kwh battery, but you can't get all of the 62 kwhs out of it.


-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: OT another new toy

Drove the 2019 leaf.  Holy crap, it will unstick the tires very easily. 
60kwh batt. Adaptive cruise and lane works extremely well.  Love 
everything about it.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT another new toy

[Robert]

Is resting your hand on the bottom of the wheel good enough?

On 4/22/19 5:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I went ahead and leased it.  This is my fourth leaf.  I had the very 
first one in Utah.  They have come a long way.  Love the auto pilot and 
the torque.  Has a 225 hp set of motors.  Range that you can actually 
count on is about 180 miles.  The auto pilot gets increasingly obnoxious 
if you don't put your hands on the wheel.  It finally briefly jams on 
the brakes a couple of times to wake you up.  Then it finally shuts off 
and slows way down.


I love the 360 degree overhead view that comes with the back up camera 
view. They stitch 4 cameras together to make it.


Under 6 seconds 0-60  I have not had a good chance to get really good 
timing on it yet.  Will burn a bit of rubber any time you punch it, even 
if  you are already going 30 mph.  Love to shoot into small gaps in 
traffic with this thing.  The old leafs were good at that but this one 
is great.


Could have had a used Tesla model S for the same amount of money.  Not 
sure how it could have been much better.  Perhaps a bit more room, a bit 
more torque, a bit more range - maybe.  Many more miles and more wear on 
the battery.


Nissan says it has an EPA range of 226 miles, but they have always 
published higher figures that you get in real life freeway commuter 
use.    The original leaf published 84 miles but could only be counted 
on to do 65 miles in the summer and about 55 in the winter.


3.4 miles per kwh seems to be a figure you can hang  your hat on with a 
leaf.  62 kwh battery, but you can't get all of the 62 kwhs out of it.


-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: OT another new toy

Drove the 2019 leaf.  Holy crap, it will unstick the tires very easily. 
60kwh batt. Adaptive cruise and lane works extremely well.  Love 
everything about it.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT another new toy

[Jason McKemie]

Here you go Chuck:
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/new-nissan-leaf-with-kuhl-racing-body-kit-is-not-your-average-ev-133419.html
Honestly, I'm not even sure how you would turn the wheel without the tires
hitting the body when it sits this low.

On Monday, April 22, 2019, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I went ahead and leased it.  This is my fourth leaf.  I had the very first
> one in Utah.  They have come a long way.  Love the auto pilot and the
> torque.  Has a 225 hp set of motors.  Range that you can actually count on
> is about 180 miles.  The auto pilot gets increasingly obnoxious if you
> don't put your hands on the wheel.  It finally briefly jams on the brakes a
> couple of times to wake you up.  Then it finally shuts off and slows way
> down.
>
> I love the 360 degree overhead view that comes with the back up camera
> view. They stitch 4 cameras together to make it.
>
> Under 6 seconds 0-60  I have not had a good chance to get really good
> timing on it yet.  Will burn a bit of rubber any time you punch it, even
> if  you are already going 30 mph.  Love to shoot into small gaps in traffic
> with this thing.  The old leafs were good at that but this one is great.
>
> Could have had a used Tesla model S for the same amount of money.  Not
> sure how it could have been much better.  Perhaps a bit more room, a bit
> more torque, a bit more range - maybe.  Many more miles and more wear on
> the battery.
>
> Nissan says it has an EPA range of 226 miles, but they have always
> published higher figures that you get in real life freeway commuter use.
> The original leaf published 84 miles but could only be counted on to do 65
> miles in the summer and about 55 in the winter.
>
> 3.4 miles per kwh seems to be a figure you can hang  your hat on with a
> leaf.  62 kwh battery, but you can't get all of the 62 kwhs out of it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 2:23 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: OT another new toy
>
> Drove the 2019 leaf.  Holy crap, it will unstick the tires very easily.
> 60kwh batt. Adaptive cruise and lane works extremely well.  Love everything
> about it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

[TJ Trout]

yeap, that's about it, and using the space bridge to nat-tunnel

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:58 PM liddy303  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Dredging up an old topic here I just got a Netgear LB1120 and a
> Hologram SIM card.   So far, I haven't been able to make this thing work.
>
> TJ-- It looks as simple as activating the SIM card, installing it, and
> setting the APN of "hologram" in the Netgear.   Is that about it, or am I
> missing something?
>
> Thank you!
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:02 PM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> They are a global aggregation service that is designed for iot apps. My
>> plans are all 40 cents per month plus a per MB price. I got billed $3 one
>> month and they ended up refunding half of it. They have a bunch of built in
>> tools designed to help with the whole NAT tunnel issue.
>>
>> If you just need occasional or out of band access I have found none
>> better. You can use their dashboard to turn sims on or off as often as you
>> like which stops the monthly. You pay $5 for each sim up front and use
>> whatever modem you like.
>>
>> If your modem supports it, it will connect to almost any carrier in the
>> world.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 21:02 Jon Langeler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So what exactly does that service do?
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> They are both really cheap and really good. I have been using it for
>>> months. I think my highest bill has been three dollars. I use it
>>> intermittently.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 11:20 TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
 I have the 1120 connected to all of our CCR's using hologram.io
 service because they include a VPN to get inbound access, they were the
 only guys I could find that would provide a non nat connection or at-least
 a way to get through the cellular network NAT without paying the crazy
 monthly price and setup fee for att or verizon and a static ip

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Josh Heide  wrote:

>
>
> Has anyone used netgear LB1120 for mikrotik out of band access? IF not
> any suggestions on what lte modem or setup works best for remote access?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Josh Heide
>
> *Wireless Network Manager*
>
> *Velociter Wireless, Inc.*
>
> 209-838-1221 x108
>
> 1525 2nd st, Escalon Ca 95320
>
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Re: [AFMUG] LTE Modems

[liddy303]

Hello,

Dredging up an old topic here I just got a Netgear LB1120 and a
Hologram SIM card.   So far, I haven't been able to make this thing work.

TJ-- It looks as simple as activating the SIM card, installing it, and
setting the APN of "hologram" in the Netgear.   Is that about it, or am I
missing something?

Thank you!

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:02 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> They are a global aggregation service that is designed for iot apps. My
> plans are all 40 cents per month plus a per MB price. I got billed $3 one
> month and they ended up refunding half of it. They have a bunch of built in
> tools designed to help with the whole NAT tunnel issue.
>
> If you just need occasional or out of band access I have found none
> better. You can use their dashboard to turn sims on or off as often as you
> like which stops the monthly. You pay $5 for each sim up front and use
> whatever modem you like.
>
> If your modem supports it, it will connect to almost any carrier in the
> world.
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 21:02 Jon Langeler  wrote:
>
>> So what exactly does that service do?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> They are both really cheap and really good. I have been using it for
>> months. I think my highest bill has been three dollars. I use it
>> intermittently.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 11:20 TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> I have the 1120 connected to all of our CCR's using hologram.io service
>>> because they include a VPN to get inbound access, they were the only guys I
>>> could find that would provide a non nat connection or at-least a way to get
>>> through the cellular network NAT without paying the crazy monthly price and
>>> setup fee for att or verizon and a static ip
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Josh Heide  wrote:
>>>


 Has anyone used netgear LB1120 for mikrotik out of band access? IF not
 any suggestions on what lte modem or setup works best for remote access?



 Thanks in advance!!





 

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 *Velociter Wireless, Inc.*

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Re: [AFMUG] OT another new toy

[Chuck McCown]

I went ahead and leased it.  This is my fourth leaf.  I had the very first 
one in Utah.  They have come a long way.  Love the auto pilot and the 
torque.  Has a 225 hp set of motors.  Range that you can actually count on 
is about 180 miles.  The auto pilot gets increasingly obnoxious if you don't 
put your hands on the wheel.  It finally briefly jams on the brakes a couple 
of times to wake you up.  Then it finally shuts off and slows way down.


I love the 360 degree overhead view that comes with the back up camera view. 
They stitch 4 cameras together to make it.


Under 6 seconds 0-60  I have not had a good chance to get really good timing 
on it yet.  Will burn a bit of rubber any time you punch it, even if  you 
are already going 30 mph.  Love to shoot into small gaps in traffic with 
this thing.  The old leafs were good at that but this one is great.


Could have had a used Tesla model S for the same amount of money.  Not sure 
how it could have been much better.  Perhaps a bit more room, a bit more 
torque, a bit more range - maybe.  Many more miles and more wear on the 
battery.


Nissan says it has an EPA range of 226 miles, but they have always published 
higher figures that you get in real life freeway commuter use.The 
original leaf published 84 miles but could only be counted on to do 65 miles 
in the summer and about 55 in the winter.


3.4 miles per kwh seems to be a figure you can hang  your hat on with a 
leaf.  62 kwh battery, but you can't get all of the 62 kwhs out of it.


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: OT another new toy

Drove the 2019 leaf.  Holy crap, it will unstick the tires very easily. 
60kwh batt. Adaptive cruise and lane works extremely well.  Love everything 
about it.


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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Paul McCall]

OK, but if (2) for just the edge, any suggestion?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

You don't necessarily need one for each, just more than one to handle router 
failure, maintenance, etc.


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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
Answers in line….

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third.

Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers. Possibly 
even separate edge routers and core routers.  We thought about this, we ran 
iBGP years ago for a different reason…  so if you have provider # 1, provider # 
2, and provider # 3 (actually a link to an IX), you would run THREE different 
routers each with an SFP+ on it, then another router to manage the iBGP and all 
the traffic with full routers.  If that is the case Mike, then what routers 
would you recommend for the 3 and what router for the “managing router”:

A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6.

What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have that 
resource configured optimally?  We don’t really have a non-BGP major resource 
hog on it ATM.  Don’t know how jumping from dual 1 GB backbones to 2 to 3 
10Gbit backbones to support our fiber customers is going to impact things 
though.

Paul
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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
Two parts Mike,

We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit 
connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber 
customers coming on board.

So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would like a 
spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement.

Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

What aspect are you outgrowing?



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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Mike Hammett]

You don't necessarily need one for each, just more than one to handle router 
failure, maintenance, etc. 




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From: "Paul McCall"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:11:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 



Answers in line…. 



From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:21 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 


Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third. 

Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers. Possibly 
even separate edge routers and core routers. We thought about this, we ran iBGP 
years ago for a different reason… so if you have provider # 1, provider # 2, 
and provider # 3 (actually a link to an IX), you would run THREE different 
routers each with an SFP+ on it, then another router to manage the iBGP and all 
the traffic with full routers. If that is the case Mike, then what routers 
would you recommend for the 3 and what router for the “managing router”: 



A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6. 



What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have that 
resource configured optimally? We don’t really have a non-BGP major resource 
hog on it ATM. Don’t know how jumping from dual 1 GB backbones to 2 to 3 10Gbit 
backbones to support our fiber customers is going to impact things though. 


Paul 
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- Original Message -


From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 
Two parts Mike, 

We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit 
connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber 
customers coming on board. 

So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would like a 
spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement. 

Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 


What aspect are you outgrowing? 





- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 
OR… is there a better way to go here x86, build your own box, etc. We used to 
use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to deal 
with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years. (More comments on line about 
common issues, etc.) 

Any suggestions? 

Paul 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+. 

Anybody selling these used? Looking for a pair of them 

Paul 



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Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 




Science Fiction “High Life” 



Two thumbs down down down. 



Zero budget for a space flick. Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight. 

Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back). 



The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds. 



Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing. 



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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Mike Hammett]

You won't see forwarding performance issues. You'll having reachability issues. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:55:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 


its just because the one processor is always at 100 pct, ive never seen a 
performance issue with two full tables 


On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:56 AM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > 
wrote: 



I don't understand how you guys think BGP kills Mikrotik. We have ccr1072 and 
ccr1009 taking full tables and it takes about 3-5 minutes and winbox works fine 
the whole time. The router is not on its knees so I don't understand why people 
say it's as bad as it is. 


On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 11:07 AM < jst...@fourway.net > wrote: 





Assuming you intend to take in full tables/do more than just receive a default 
route from your peers, definitely go with the x86 based CHR. We’re running 
CCR1072s at edge and core. They’re great on the core. However, until RouterOS 
V7 drops, full tables on a CCR1072 will take about 15 mins to pull down and the 
router will be on its knees the whole time. 

From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:36 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 



If you're doing BGP, I would definitely go with a RouterOS x86 box instead of a 
CCR. 



There are some nice pre-built options from Linktechs or Baltic, or you can put 
your own together. 



On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:22 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third. 

Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers. Possibly 
even separate edge routers and core routers. 



A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6. 



What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have that 
resource configured optimally? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 

Two parts Mike, 

We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit 
connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber 
customers coming on board. 

So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would like a 
spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement. 

Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 


What aspect are you outgrowing? 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 
OR… is there a better way to go here x86, build your own box, etc. We used to 
use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to deal 
with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years. (More comments on line about 
common issues, etc.) 

Any suggestions? 

Paul 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+. 

Anybody selling these used? Looking for a pair of them 

Paul 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 




Science Fiction “High Life” 



Two thumbs down down down. 



Zero budget for a space flick. Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight. 

Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back). 



The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds. 



Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing. 



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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Mike Hammett]

Even Mikrotik admits it sucks. 

It can take 10 - 20 minutes to process a change in the routing table. That's a 
problem. 




- 
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- Original Message -

From: "Darin Steffl"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:55:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 


I don't understand how you guys think BGP kills Mikrotik. We have ccr1072 and 
ccr1009 taking full tables and it takes about 3-5 minutes and winbox works fine 
the whole time. The router is not on its knees so I don't understand why people 
say it's as bad as it is. 


On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 11:07 AM < jst...@fourway.net > wrote: 





Assuming you intend to take in full tables/do more than just receive a default 
route from your peers, definitely go with the x86 based CHR. We’re running 
CCR1072s at edge and core. They’re great on the core. However, until RouterOS 
V7 drops, full tables on a CCR1072 will take about 15 mins to pull down and the 
router will be on its knees the whole time. 

From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:36 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 



If you're doing BGP, I would definitely go with a RouterOS x86 box instead of a 
CCR. 



There are some nice pre-built options from Linktechs or Baltic, or you can put 
your own together. 



On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:22 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third. 

Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers. Possibly 
even separate edge routers and core routers. 



A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6. 



What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have that 
resource configured optimally? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 

Two parts Mike, 

We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit 
connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber 
customers coming on board. 

So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would like a 
spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement. 

Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 


What aspect are you outgrowing? 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 
OR… is there a better way to go here x86, build your own box, etc. We used to 
use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to deal 
with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years. (More comments on line about 
common issues, etc.) 

Any suggestions? 

Paul 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+. 

Anybody selling these used? Looking for a pair of them 

Paul 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 




Science Fiction “High Life” 



Two thumbs down down down. 



Zero budget for a space flick. Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight. 

Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back). 



The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds. 



Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing. 



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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Paul McCall]

Answers in line….

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third.

Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers. Possibly 
even separate edge routers and core routers.  We thought about this, we ran 
iBGP years ago for a different reason…  so if you have provider # 1, provider # 
2, and provider # 3 (actually a link to an IX), you would run THREE different 
routers each with an SFP+ on it, then another router to manage the iBGP and all 
the traffic with full routers.  If that is the case Mike, then what routers 
would you recommend for the 3 and what router for the “managing router”:

A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6.

What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have that 
resource configured optimally?  We don’t really have a non-BGP major resource 
hog on it ATM.  Don’t know how jumping from dual 1 GB backbones to 2 to 3 
10Gbit backbones to support our fiber customers is going to impact things 
though.

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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
Two parts Mike,

We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit 
connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber 
customers coming on board.

So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would like a 
spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement.

Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

What aspect are you outgrowing?



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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
OR… is there a better way to go here  x86, build your own box, etc.We used 
to use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to 
deal with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years.  (More comments on line 
about common issues, etc.)

Any suggestions?

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+.

Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
To: 

Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Steve Jones]

its just because the one processor is always at 100 pct, ive never seen a
performance issue with two full tables

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:56 AM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> I don't understand how you guys think BGP kills Mikrotik. We have ccr1072
> and ccr1009 taking full tables and it takes about 3-5 minutes and winbox
> works fine the whole time. The router is not on its knees so I don't
> understand why people say it's as bad as it is.
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 11:07 AM  wrote:
>
>> Assuming you intend to take in full tables/do more than just receive a
>> default route from your peers, definitely go with the x86 based CHR. We’re
>> running CCR1072s at edge and core. They’re great on the core. However,
>> until RouterOS V7 drops, full tables on a CCR1072 will take about 15 mins
>> to pull down and the router will be on its knees the whole time.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2019 11:36 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're doing BGP, I would definitely go with a RouterOS x86 box
>> instead of a CCR.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some nice pre-built options from Linktechs or Baltic, or you
>> can put your own together.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:22 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third.
>>
>> Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers.
>> Possibly even separate edge routers and core routers.
>>
>>
>>
>> A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have
>> that resource configured optimally?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>>
>> Two parts Mike,
>>
>>
>>
>> We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit
>> connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber
>> customers coming on board.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would
>> like a spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>>
>>
>>
>> What aspect are you outgrowing?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>>
>> OR… is there a better way to go here  x86, build your own box, etc.We
>> used to use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable
>> (easy to deal with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years.  (More
>> comments on line about common issues, etc.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>>
>>
>>
>> We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at
>> CCR1072-1G-8S+.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>
>>
>>
>> Science Fiction “High Life”
>>
>>
>>
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Darin Steffl]

I don't understand how you guys think BGP kills Mikrotik. We have ccr1072
and ccr1009 taking full tables and it takes about 3-5 minutes and winbox
works fine the whole time. The router is not on its knees so I don't
understand why people say it's as bad as it is.

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 11:07 AM  wrote:

> Assuming you intend to take in full tables/do more than just receive a
> default route from your peers, definitely go with the x86 based CHR. We’re
> running CCR1072s at edge and core. They’re great on the core. However,
> until RouterOS V7 drops, full tables on a CCR1072 will take about 15 mins
> to pull down and the router will be on its knees the whole time.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2019 11:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>
>
>
> If you're doing BGP, I would definitely go with a RouterOS x86 box instead
> of a CCR.
>
>
>
> There are some nice pre-built options from Linktechs or Baltic, or you can
> put your own together.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:22 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third.
>
> Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers.
> Possibly even separate edge routers and core routers.
>
>
>
> A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6.
>
>
>
> What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have
> that resource configured optimally?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>
> Two parts Mike,
>
>
>
> We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit
> connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber
> customers coming on board.
>
>
>
> So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would
> like a spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement.
>
>
>
> Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>
>
>
> What aspect are you outgrowing?
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>
> OR… is there a better way to go here  x86, build your own box, etc.We
> used to use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable
> (easy to deal with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years.  (More
> comments on line about common issues, etc.)
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>
>
>
> We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at
> CCR1072-1G-8S+.
>
>
>
> Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>
>
> Science Fiction “High Life”
>
>
>
> Two thumbs down down down.
>
>
>
> Zero budget for a space flick.  Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight.
>
> Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in
> the back).
>
>
>
> The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously
> cheap cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds.
>
>
>
> Weird gratuitous one 

Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[jstump]

Assuming you intend to take in full tables/do more than just receive a default 
route from your peers, definitely go with the x86 based CHR. We’re running 
CCR1072s at edge and core. They’re great on the core. However, until RouterOS 
V7 drops, full tables on a CCR1072 will take about 15 mins to pull down and the 
router will be on its knees the whole time.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

 

If you're doing BGP, I would definitely go with a RouterOS x86 box instead of a 
CCR. 

 

There are some nice pre-built options from Linktechs or Baltic, or you can put 
your own together. 

 

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:22 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third.

Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers. Possibly 
even separate edge routers and core routers.

 

A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6.

 

What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have that 
resource configured optimally?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

Two parts Mike,

 

We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit 
connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber 
customers coming on board.

 

So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would like a 
spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement.

 

Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

 

What aspect are you outgrowing?

 



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

OR… is there a better way to go here  x86, build your own box, etc.We used 
to use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to 
deal with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years.  (More comments on line 
about common issues, etc.)

 

Any suggestions?

 

Paul

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

 

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+.  

 

Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them

 

Paul

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

 

Science Fiction “High Life”

 

Two thumbs down down down.

 

Zero budget for a space flick.  Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight.  

Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back).

 

The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds.

 

Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing.  

 

Don’t waste money on this.  


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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Mathew Howard]

If you're doing BGP, I would definitely go with a RouterOS x86 box instead
of a CCR.

There are some nice pre-built options from Linktechs or Baltic, or you can
put your own together.

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:22 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third.
>
> Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers.
> Possibly even separate edge routers and core routers.
>
> A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6.
>
> What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have
> that resource configured optimally?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>
> Two parts Mike,
>
>
>
> We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit
> connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber
> customers coming on board.
>
>
>
> So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would
> like a spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement.
>
>
>
> Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>
>
>
> What aspect are you outgrowing?
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>
> OR… is there a better way to go here  x86, build your own box, etc.We
> used to use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable
> (easy to deal with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years.  (More
> comments on line about common issues, etc.)
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>
>
>
> We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at
> CCR1072-1G-8S+.
>
>
>
> Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>
>
> Science Fiction “High Life”
>
>
>
> Two thumbs down down down.
>
>
>
> Zero budget for a space flick.  Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight.
>
> Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in
> the back).
>
>
>
> The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously
> cheap cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds.
>
>
>
> Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been
> slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing.
>
>
>
> Don’t waste money on this.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Mike Hammett]

Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third. 

Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers. Possibly 
even separate edge routers and core routers. 


A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6. 


What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have that 
resource configured optimally? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 



Two parts Mike, 

We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit 
connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber 
customers coming on board. 

So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would like a 
spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement. 

Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up 



From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 


What aspect are you outgrowing? 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 
OR… is there a better way to go here x86, build your own box, etc. We used to 
use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to deal 
with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years. (More comments on line about 
common issues, etc.) 

Any suggestions? 

Paul 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+. 

Anybody selling these used? Looking for a pair of them 

Paul 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 




Science Fiction “High Life” 



Two thumbs down down down. 



Zero budget for a space flick. Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight. 

Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back). 



The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds. 



Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing. 



Don’t waste money on this. 

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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Jon Langeler]

You might want to consider any x86 solution and keep your current routers as 
‘3rd string’ spares. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Apr 22, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> OR… is there a better way to go here  x86, build your own box, etc.We 
> used to use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy 
> to deal with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years.  (More comments on 
> line about common issues, etc.)
>  
> Any suggestions?
>  
> Paul
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
>  
> We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at 
> CCR1072-1G-8S+. 
>  
> Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them
>  
> Paul
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>  
> Science Fiction “High Life”
>  
> Two thumbs down down down.
>  
> Zero budget for a space flick.  Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight. 
> Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
> back).
>  
> The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
> cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds.
>  
> Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
> slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing.  
>  
> Don’t waste money on this. 
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Paul McCall]

Two parts Mike,

We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit 
connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber 
customers coming on board.

So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would like a 
spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement.

Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

What aspect are you outgrowing?



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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
OR… is there a better way to go here  x86, build your own box, etc.We used 
to use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to 
deal with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years.  (More comments on line 
about common issues, etc.)

Any suggestions?

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+.

Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

Science Fiction “High Life”

Two thumbs down down down.

Zero budget for a space flick.  Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight.
Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back).

The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds.

Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing.

Don’t waste money on this.

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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Mike Hammett]

What aspect are you outgrowing? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 



OR… is there a better way to go here x86, build your own box, etc. We used to 
use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to deal 
with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years. (More comments on line about 
common issues, etc.) 

Any suggestions? 

Paul 



From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+ 

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+. 

Anybody selling these used? Looking for a pair of them 

Paul 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 




Science Fiction “High Life” 



Two thumbs down down down. 



Zero budget for a space flick. Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight. 

Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back). 



The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds. 



Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing. 



Don’t waste money on this. 
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Paul McCall]

OR… is there a better way to go here  x86, build your own box, etc.We used 
to use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to 
deal with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years.  (More comments on line 
about common issues, etc.)

Any suggestions?

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+.

Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

Science Fiction “High Life”

Two thumbs down down down.

Zero budget for a space flick.  Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight.
Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back).

The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds.

Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing.

Don’t waste money on this.
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Josh Luthman]

Open a new thread might get you some more attention.  You replied to
Chuck's.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:27 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at
> CCR1072-1G-8S+.
>
>
>
> Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>
>
> Science Fiction “High Life”
>
>
>
> Two thumbs down down down.
>
>
>
> Zero budget for a space flick.  Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight.
>
> Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in
> the back).
>
>
>
> The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously
> cheap cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds.
>
>
>
> Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been
> slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing.
>
>
>
> Don’t waste money on this.
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[AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Paul McCall]

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+.

Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

Science Fiction “High Life”

Two thumbs down down down.

Zero budget for a space flick.  Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight.
Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back).

The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds.

Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing.

Don’t waste money on this.
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