Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe I need to sponsor an H1B work visa.

On 5/31/2019 8:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

The qualified candidates are not looking for a job,

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:



Helps if I send a link to the ad rather than the preview:
https://ithaca.craigslist.org/sad/d/ithaca-network-engineer/6900549155.html


On 5/30/2019 2:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
they really need to allow drinking on the job in these types of 
positions, it would really help get candidates in the door


On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:06 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


If you know anyone who is interested:

https://post.craigslist.org/k/_lVq98KC6RGKR8SL39YNog/xqb4d?s=preview




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Re: [AFMUG] Bidirectional path monitoring

[Steve Jones]

My thought is a utility that initiates the trace, identifies the hops it
can, queries the looking glasses, identifies the return per hop on the path
and icmp expires the identified return path would be a cumbersome
process manually.
I have one of those "some sites work, some sites dont" issues im working on
with a banks IT. I think its their firewall based on the pcaps, but when im
looking at it from the middle its hard to rule out an assymetric path issue
with one of those one off issues like some freaked out mtu along the way



On Fri, May 31, 2019, 8:04 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Thats kind of the point of the question
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2019, 5:35 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Gotta have someone at the other end traceroute back to you.
>>
>> IMO Traceroute is kinda useless anyway these days.  If you're lucky it'll
>> tell you what L3 routers are in the path, but all manner of
>> tunneling/switching/MPLS stuff is invisible to traceroute.  The only other
>> diagnostic info it gives you is the total of the time that router took to
>> generate an ICMP error message and the time it took that error message to
>> come back to you and you can't assume that ICMP message came back to
>> you on the same path normal traffic to and from your destination would have
>> taken.
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/2019 6:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> Is there a tool similar to traceroute to view both paths in an asymmetric
>> path. Maybe something that queries looking glass then multipings
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Bidirectional path monitoring

[Steve Jones]

Thats kind of the point of the question

On Fri, May 31, 2019, 5:35 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Gotta have someone at the other end traceroute back to you.
>
> IMO Traceroute is kinda useless anyway these days.  If you're lucky it'll
> tell you what L3 routers are in the path, but all manner of
> tunneling/switching/MPLS stuff is invisible to traceroute.  The only other
> diagnostic info it gives you is the total of the time that router took to
> generate an ICMP error message and the time it took that error message to
> come back to you and you can't assume that ICMP message came back to
> you on the same path normal traffic to and from your destination would have
> taken.
>
>
> On 5/31/2019 6:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Is there a tool similar to traceroute to view both paths in an asymmetric
> path. Maybe something that queries looking glass then multipings
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

[Bill Prince]

  
  
You just have to set it for the spreadsheets you want to do it
  this way. It's not global, but specific to the document. At least
  it works. Yes it's a PITA; complain to the developer. This option
  is not available if you're doing google sheets.


bp



On 5/30/2019 1:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  But I don’t want that for anything other than money.  And
it is a pain to change.  Too many clicks and you might
forget how you had it set.  I think if you select accounting
or currency or really any format that allows you to set the
number of decimal places, it ought to use fixed point math. 
  
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:40 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness
  

 
  
  
That's not the correct option. You need to set "Precision
  as Displayed" so that it will trim the rounded portion
  from the next calculation.

bp



On 5/30/2019 12:36 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  

  I only have two types of rounding:
  None (everything but money)
  2 decimal places (for money)
   
  When you select format, it asks you how many
digits you want.  I presumed that set the rounding
precision.  It does not.
  

   
  
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel
  oddness
  

 
  
  
You need to set the rounding precision. Read
  about it here.

bp



On 5/30/2019 12:17 PM,
  Lewis Bergman wrote:


  Yeah. I run into this when I do
tower leases that run out to a lot of years and
have annual increases. Normally it flies through
fine but every once in a while someone will
check and mention that every so often it is off
by the rounding (dispalyed rounding). I just
agree to whatever pennies they want and go on
but it is annoying.
   
  
On Thu, May
  30, 2019 at 11:58 AM 
  wrote:


  

  
If you divide a number like $123.45
  by 2 you get $61.73 if the format of
  the first cell is set to two decimal
  points of precision.
Fine, obeys rounding rules.
 
Now if you take the cell containing
  $61.73 and multiply it by 3  you get
  $185.18
 
If you take your calculator out and
  do that same calculation you get
  $185.19
 
Even if you set precision format to
  2 decimal places, it continues to
  carry full floating point precision in
  the cell, irrespective of how it is
  displayed.
 
There is an option under
  options>advanced for setting
  precision as displayed.  
But that will shut off full
  floating point calculations.  
Seems like they would have a third
  option for financial formats only.  
  

  
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[AFMUG] OT movie review

[Chuck McCown]

Rocketman
Was no Bohemian Rhapsody but it was enjoyable if you are an Elton John fan 
(which I am).

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Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

[Chuck McCown]

The qualified candidates are not looking for a job,

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 31, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> Helps if I send a link to the ad rather than the preview:
> https://ithaca.craigslist.org/sad/d/ithaca-network-engineer/6900549155.html
> 
> 
>> On 5/30/2019 2:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> they really need to allow drinking on the job in these types of positions, 
>> it would really help get candidates in the door
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:06 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> If you know anyone who is interested:
>>> 
>>> https://post.craigslist.org/k/_lVq98KC6RGKR8SL39YNog/xqb4d?s=preview
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

[Adam Moffett]

Helps if I send a link to the ad rather than the preview:
https://ithaca.craigslist.org/sad/d/ithaca-network-engineer/6900549155.html


On 5/30/2019 2:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
they really need to allow drinking on the job in these types of 
positions, it would really help get candidates in the door


On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:06 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


If you know anyone who is interested:

https://post.craigslist.org/k/_lVq98KC6RGKR8SL39YNog/xqb4d?s=preview




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Re: [AFMUG] Bidirectional path monitoring

[Adam Moffett]

Gotta have someone at the other end traceroute back to you.

IMO Traceroute is kinda useless anyway these days.  If you're lucky 
it'll tell you what L3 routers are in the path, but all manner of 
tunneling/switching/MPLS stuff is invisible to traceroute.  The only 
other diagnostic info it gives you is the total of the time that router 
took to generate an ICMP error message and the time it took that error 
message to come back to you and you can't assume that ICMP message 
came back to you on the same path normal traffic to and from your 
destination would have taken.



On 5/31/2019 6:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Is there a tool similar to traceroute to view both paths in an 
asymmetric path. Maybe something that queries looking glass then 
multipings




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[AFMUG] Bidirectional path monitoring

[Steve Jones]

Is there a tool similar to traceroute to view both paths in an asymmetric
path. Maybe something that queries looking glass then multipings
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Gloat

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I have pretty good luck with buying this type of stuff...

I have a HP solar array simulator I bought off of ebay that was
blowing fuses...  a 10 cent ceramic capacitor in the power supply
section was shorted.

I also have a voltage standard I bought as working.  Got it here,
wasn't working.   Tried to send it back, they didn't want it, refunded
all of my money.   Figured out it just needed new electrolytic caps -
replaced them all for like $20.  Now I have a really nice voltage
standard for $20.


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> Gotta love ebay.
>
> Got an Exeltech 10 kW 48 VDC to 120 VAC modular inverter for $1865.  Listed 
> “for parts not working”.
>
> Hooked it up to a 48 volt battery.  Pulled out all the modules (1K each) but 
> one, had a light hooked to the output.
> Went through hot swapping all the modules.  9 of the 10 modules are good.
>
> One of them is bad.  Blown fets on it.
>
> This thing was probably $20K or more new.  Now I need another rack so I can 
> make two 5K inverters out of this...
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[AFMUG] OT Gloat

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Gotta love ebay.  

Got an Exeltech 10 kW 48 VDC to 120 VAC modular inverter for $1865.  Listed 
“for parts not working”.  

Hooked it up to a 48 volt battery.  Pulled out all the modules (1K each) but 
one, had a light hooked to the output.  
Went through hot swapping all the modules.  9 of the 10 modules are good.  

One of them is bad.  Blown fets on it.  

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[AFMUG] Friday for sale: Ubiquiti routers, NOS 5Ghz sectors, older SMs, Exalt Radios

[Colin Stanners]

Hi all, we have some gear for sale, located in Canada, but priced in USD
since that's where most of you ladies and gentlemen are located.

-1x Ubiquiti ER-8 router, tested in office, still under warranty  $140
OBO
-1x Ubiquiti ER-8-XG router, tested in office, still under warranty
$1500 OBO
-7x L-Com HD4958-17DP-090, 17dBi dual-pol 5ghz sector, NOS $100 OBO each
-4x Cambium 85009324001, 17dBi dual-pol 5ghz sector, NOS $300 OBO

-100s of used customer-side units, open to offers in case anyone can use
these:
  -Cambium 900mhz PMP100 / FSK SM 9000SMC
  -Cambium 3.65Ghz WiMAX PMP320 CPE  3620SM (some may have the -13F
temperature Ethernet issue)
  -KP Performance / M2  17dBi single-pol yagi
  -standard 802.3AF power supplies w/cords (for the WiMAX units)

-lots of Exalt 5ghz ExtendAir rc5000, or EX-5r GigE radios and some power
supplies - make an offer.

-Exalt ExtremeAir 11Ghz radio; ExploreAir 18Ghz radios - make an offer.

We also have lots of old PTP400 / PTP600 radios  but even though they were
excellent radios we don't expect demand for those.

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[AFMUG] OT 24 volt sine wave inverter

[chuck]

This is a pretty good deal if you run 24 volts.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Exeltech-Mx-Series-N-1-Redundant-Expandable-Inverter-System-NSN-6130015361815/273802870899?hash=item3fbfec4073:g:vzAAAOSwimZbfMgS:sc:UPSGround!84074!US!-1-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

[chuck]

There is.  Under options, advanced, you can set precision to the displayed 
value.  But it is modal, global and likely to be forgotten when you need to do 
a floating point calculation later.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 9:15 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

That's a valid solution, but I think my complaint would be that if I have to 
add a Round() function to all of my financial formulas, then it should have 
been a setting you can adjust for the whole worksheet.



On 5/30/2019 9:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  You use round when you want to round.  But it sounds like you want to round.  
Not format.

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 7:51 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

   

  I use round when I want to round.  But when I cut a dollar amount in half, 
the result should be rounded to the nearest penny.  (Which it does just fine).  
However if you use that result in an equation, you don’t get the number you see 
you get the full floating point number behind what you see so you can get some 
strange results.  

   

  $10 * 20 = $200.03

   

  $100,015 for a lot of product.  Say it is waveguide.  This represents 10kf of 
eliptical 18 GHz waveguide..

   

   

  $100015/1= $10.0015/foot  

   

  But excel will say it is $10.00/foot if you do this formula and the format is 
accounting or currency.

   

  So you have a price per foot cell showing $10.00

  And then you have a project where you need 20 feet.  

  Perhaps you are selling it or showing it in a budget.

   

  Your spread sheet will show price per foot of $10 x quantity 20  = $200.03

  If you show that to a customer you will get a funny look.  

  Like everybody can see that ain’t right.  

   

  So what is the price?  Do you pay or get paid the hidden floating point 3 
cents or not?

  Do you force it to just say $200?  Do you round the result?

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:22 PM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

   

  I think you want ROUND().

   

  Cell formatting is just how it is displayed, it doesn’t affect the actual 
number.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 3:26 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

   

  But I don’t want that for anything other than money.  And it is a pain to 
change.  Too many clicks and you might forget how you had it set.  I think if 
you select accounting or currency or really any format that allows you to set 
the number of decimal places, it ought to use fixed point math.  

   

  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:40 PM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

   

  That's not the correct option. You need to set "Precision as Displayed" so 
that it will trim the rounded portion from the next calculation.

bp On 5/30/2019 12:36 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I only have two types of rounding:

None (everything but money)

2 decimal places (for money)

 

When you select format, it asks you how many digits you want.  I presumed 
that set the rounding precision.  It does not.

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:20 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

 

You need to set the rounding precision. Read about it here.

bp On 5/30/2019 12:17 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  Yeah. I run into this when I do tower leases that run out to a lot of 
years and have annual increases. Normally it flies through fine but every once 
in a while someone will check and mention that every so often it is off by the 
rounding (dispalyed rounding). I just agree to whatever pennies they want and 
go on but it is annoying.

   

  On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 11:58 AM  wrote:

If you divide a number like $123.45 by 2 you get $61.73 if the format 
of the first cell is set to two decimal points of precision.

Fine, obeys rounding rules.

 

Now if you take the cell containing $61.73 and multiply it by 3  you 
get $185.18

 

If you take your calculator out and do that same calculation you get 
$185.19

 

Even if you set precision format to 2 decimal places, it continues to 
carry full floating point precision in the cell, irrespective of how it is 
displayed.

 

There is an option under options>advanced for setting precision as 
displayed.  

But that will shut off full floating point calculations.  

Seems like they would have a third option for financial formats only.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

[Adam Moffett]

That's a valid solution, but I think my complaint would be that if I 
have to add a Round() function to all of my financial formulas, then it 
should have been a setting you can adjust for the whole worksheet.



On 5/30/2019 9:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


You use round when you want to round.  But it sounds like you want to 
round.  Not format.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, May 30, 2019 7:51 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

I use round when I want to round.  But when I cut a dollar amount in 
half, the result should be rounded to the nearest penny.  (Which it 
does just fine).  However if you use that result in an equation, you 
don’t get the number you see you get the full floating point number 
behind what you see so you can get some strange results.


$10 * 20 = $200.03

$100,015 for a lot of product.  Say it is waveguide.  This represents 
10kf of eliptical 18 GHz waveguide..


$100015/1= $10.0015/foot

But excel will say it is $10.00/foot if you do this formula and the 
format is accounting or currency.


So you have a price per foot cell showing $10.00

And then you have a project where you need 20 feet.

Perhaps you are selling it or showing it in a budget.

Your spread sheet will show price per foot of $10 x quantity 20  = $200.03

If you show that to a customer you will get a funny look.

Like everybody can see that ain’t right.

So what is the price?  Do you pay or get paid the hidden floating 
point 3 cents or not?


Do you force it to just say $200?  Do you round the result?

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:22 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

I think you want ROUND().

Cell formatting is just how it is displayed, it doesn’t affect the 
actual number.


*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com 

*Sent:* Thursday, May 30, 2019 3:26 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

But I don’t want that for anything other than money.  And it is a pain 
to change.  Too many clicks and you might forget how you had it set. I 
think if you select accounting or currency or really any format that 
allows you to set the number of decimal places, it ought to use fixed 
point math.


*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:40 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

That's not the correct option. You need to set "Precision as 
Displayed" so that it will trim the rounded portion from the next 
calculation.


bp

  


On 5/30/2019 12:36 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

I only have two types of rounding:

None (everything but money)

2 decimal places (for money)

When you select format, it asks you how many digits you want.  I
presumed that set the rounding precision.  It does not.

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:20 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Excel oddness

You need to set the rounding precision. Read about it here

.

bp



  


On 5/30/2019 12:17 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Yeah. I run into this when I do tower leases that run out to a
lot of years and have annual increases. Normally it flies
through fine but every once in a while someone will check and
mention that every so often it is off by the rounding
(dispalyed rounding). I just agree to whatever pennies they
want and go on but it is annoying.

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 11:58 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

If you divide a number like $123.45 by 2 you get $61.73 if
the format of the first cell is set to two decimal points
of precision.

Fine, obeys rounding rules.

Now if you take the cell containing $61.73 and multiply it
by 3  you get $185.18

If you take your calculator out and do that same
calculation you get $185.19

Even if you set precision format to 2 decimal places, it
continues to carry full floating point precision in the
cell, irrespective of how it is displayed.

There is an option under options>advanced for setting
precision as displayed.

But that will shut off full floating point calculations.

Seems like they would have a third option for financial
formats only.

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Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, that's a good idea.  Ubiquiti is dead simple.  Anybody applying 
for a tech job should be able to figure that out in 5 minutes.


I once laid out 3 devices and 3 power supplies to see who could match 
them together.  Most people just checked for which plug felt right.I 
think 1 out of 4 thought to flip the devices over and see what voltage 
they needed.


I guess a few practical tests is the best answer I've got right now.

-Adam


On 5/31/2019 10:49 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote:

I do something similar in the final round of interviews for tech
folks.  Hand them some shielded cable and ends and tell them to make a
cable that passes the tester that's sitting there as well.  Weeds out
a disturbing number of folks.  Then a pair of UBNT radios and tell
them to make a link and here's a laptop you can use to google stuff.
Really helps to see who can figure things out on the fly.

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 2:18 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

just give them a box filled with random junk from the warehouse and a truck-stop 
bathroom. tell them to "build it". Come back in 20 minutes.
Youll be able to find out alot about a person when you give them unknown 
resources and no real instruction or direction.

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:17 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

Sure you do ;-)

Thank You,
Brian Webster N2KGC
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

I don't know anybody with a ham license :(


On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote:

Check for a ham license...

On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I could go for
a bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept ranging
farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes,
climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries,
and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of.  I got there
on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the
category of "going for a bike ride".  I only got arrested once, but I
probably deserved it a few more times.

I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play
with the components.  At an early job they were impressed that I
correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence.  I also
plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I
also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the
charger too long.

My hobbies included model trains and my RC car.  I could tell you the
difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I
tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger
10/22.  I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes
didn't bring anything but matches.  Played with fireworks, made my
own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads.

My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a
lawnmower, and so on.

Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I
took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them.
Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand
tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction.

So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job
applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything
works?  How do I attract that applicant to begin with?  I may want
specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want
people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little
bump in the road.




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Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[Caleb Knauer]

I do something similar in the final round of interviews for tech
folks.  Hand them some shielded cable and ends and tell them to make a
cable that passes the tester that's sitting there as well.  Weeds out
a disturbing number of folks.  Then a pair of UBNT radios and tell
them to make a link and here's a laptop you can use to google stuff.
Really helps to see who can figure things out on the fly.

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 2:18 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> just give them a box filled with random junk from the warehouse and a 
> truck-stop bathroom. tell them to "build it". Come back in 20 minutes.
> Youll be able to find out alot about a person when you give them unknown 
> resources and no real instruction or direction.
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:17 PM Brian Webster  
> wrote:
>>
>> Sure you do ;-)
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster N2KGC
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:19 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
>>
>> I don't know anybody with a ham license :(
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote:
>> > Check for a ham license...
>> >
>> > On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >> When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I could go for
>> >> a bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept ranging
>> >> farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes,
>> >> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries,
>> >> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of.  I got there
>> >> on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the
>> >> category of "going for a bike ride".  I only got arrested once, but I
>> >> probably deserved it a few more times.
>> >>
>> >> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play
>> >> with the components.  At an early job they were impressed that I
>> >> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence.  I also
>> >> plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I
>> >> also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the
>> >> charger too long.
>> >>
>> >> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car.  I could tell you the
>> >> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I
>> >> tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger
>> >> 10/22.  I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes
>> >> didn't bring anything but matches.  Played with fireworks, made my
>> >> own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads.
>> >>
>> >> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a
>> >> lawnmower, and so on.
>> >>
>> >> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I
>> >> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them.
>> >> Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand
>> >> tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction.
>> >>
>> >> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job
>> >> applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything
>> >> works?  How do I attract that applicant to begin with?  I may want
>> >> specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want
>> >> people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little
>> >> bump in the road.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[Chuck McCown]

Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> A couple of thoughts:
> 
> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting
> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they
> have done on their own.  Depending on what you're looking for, things
> like 'have you ever played with an arduino?  Raspberry Pi? etc?'
> might help.
> 
> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing?
> That might be a good starting point.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> 
>> When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I could go for a
>> bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept ranging
>> farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes,
>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries,
>> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of.  I got there on
>> my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the
>> category of "going for a bike ride".  I only got arrested once, but I
>> probably deserved it a few more times.
>> 
>> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play
>> with the components.  At an early job they were impressed that I
>> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence.  I also plugged a
>> DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a
>> NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long.
>> 
>> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car.  I could tell you the
>> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged
>> along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22.  I
>> slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring
>> anything but matches.  Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with
>> homemade black powder and/or match heads.
>> 
>> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a
>> lawnmower, and so on.
>> 
>> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I
>> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things
>> like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and
>> a general sense of time, distance, and direction.
>> 
>> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant
>> is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works?  How do
>> I attract that applicant to begin with?  I may want specific skills too
>> like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure
>> stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road.
>> 
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