Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Steve Jones]

Spending time in the tinfoil hat such as I do. Us gov recently issues a
really big update win 10 NoW. We are at the end of an impeachment. And
coming up on an election. It's all a mix of foreign government and our own
trustworthy gubmint poking around at every vulnerabilty.

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 1:41 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Maybe the LEO Companies have started broadcasting low levels of 2.4
> noise to start people complaining about their current ISP, so they'll
> switch as soon as the new service is available.
>
> On 1/25/2020 12:24 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> > Looking through the logs from our hosted speedtest.net server for the
> last month doesn’t show anything unusual in the distribution of download
> test results.Overall it seems pretty evenly distributed (though I’m too
> lazy to calculate the actual statistics).   Ok, I guess a few - average
> download is 64Mbps, Median is 21Mbps.
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >> On Jan 25, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just looked back through the call logs.
> >>
> >> This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3 megabits".  I
> had him go to speed.ui.com and he reports 10 and 2 (his plan).
> >>
> >> On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> >>> I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse WIFI
> With multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of a field.
> Always 4mb on the download.
> >>> On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>  Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which often
> make things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an epidemic of
> this all of a sudden though.
> 
>  If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable
> company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber company
> in the area?
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>  Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
>  To: af@af.afmug.com
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
> 
>  I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to be
> 6 or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the same channel.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
>  On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
> > getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
> > only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they are
> > Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues.
> Tik
> > BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI,
> > signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I can
> > watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other
> > latency or packetloss.
> >
> > Anyone else seen something similar?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC 3.5 GHz Spectrum Auction 105

[Steve Jones]

So 10 years of idle time means you cannot renew. It's definitely an
investors game

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 12:02 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> In the interest of getting the ACTUAL rules into this discussion instead
> of just speculation, this is what the FCC rules are on term and renewal
> requirements:
>
> (3)  *License term:*  Each PAL has a ten-year license term.  Licensees
> must file a renewal application in accordance with the provisions of
> Section 1.949.
>
> (4)  *Performance requirement:*  Priority Access Licensees must provide
> substantial service in their license area by the end of the initial license
> term.  “Substantial” service is defined as service which is sound,
> favorable, and substantially above the level of mediocre service which
> might minimally warrant renewal.  Failure by any licensee to meet this
> requirement will result in forfeiture of the license without further
> Commission action, and the licensee will be ineligible to regain it.  
> Licensees
> shall demonstrate compliance with the performance requirement by filing a
> construction notification with the Commission in accordance with the
> provisions set forth in § 1.946(d) of this chapter.  The licensee must
> certify whether it has met the performance requirement, and file supporting
> documentation, including description and demonstration of the bona fide
> service provided, electronic maps accurately depicting the boundaries of
> the license area and where in the license area the licensee provides
> service that meets the performance requirement, supporting technical
> documentation, any population-related assumptions or data used in
> determining the population covered by a service to the extent any were
> relied upon, and any other information the Wireless Telecommunications
> Bureau may prescribe by public notice.  A licensee’s showing of substantial
> service may not rely on service coverage outside of the PAL Protection
> Areas of registered CBSDs or on deployments that are not reflected in SAS
> records of CBSD registrations.
>
> (i)  *Safe harbor for mobile or point-to-multipoint service.*  A Priority
> Access Licensee providing a mobile service or point-to-multipoint service
> may demonstrate substantial service by showing that it provides signal
> coverage and offers service, either to customers or for internal use, over
> at least 50 percent of the population in the license area.
>
> (ii)  *Safe harbor for fixed point-to-point service*.  A Priority Access
> Licensee providing a fixed point-to-point service may demonstrate
> substantial service by showing that it has constructed and operates at
> least four links, either to customers or for internal use, in license areas
> with 134,000 population or less and in license areas with greater
> population, a minimum number of links equal to the population of the
> license area divided by 33,500 and rounded up to the nearest whole number.
> To satisfy this provision, such links must operate using registered
> Category B CBSDs.
>
>
> Mark Radabaugh
> WISPA Policy Committee Chair
> 419-261-5996
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 1/24/20 3:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> You have to actually have gear up, it's not like n license where you just
> register. It's got to be live and transmitting, and it's verified every 4
> minutes
>
>
>
> Right, someone gets the PALs, does nothing so it's usable as GAA, then at
> some point later start transmitting in the PAL to kick the GAA users
> somewhere else possibly more congested.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

[Jerry Head]

We run a pair of those radios...the Alcomas I mean.
Not terrible but not great either.

On 1/16/2020 4:16 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
For what it's worth, we haven't had any problems with our new-ish 
Bridgewave millimeter links.
I'm wondering if Bridgewave actually makes the Navigator themselves 
anyway though... these radios appear to be more than a little bit 
similar...


http://www.al-wireless.com/zenith-x


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 3:34 PM Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


Yes, I've heard a lot of not so great things about their older
millimeter wave gear, however.

On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Bridgewave has been doing radios for a very long time, but
yes, this model is new.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jon Langeler" mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:51:22 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

Are Bridgewave radios flawlessly stable at this point? They’ve
only been out a few years so I wasn't sure if the software was
there.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

I believe the Navigator is around the same price. They
both claim to do double the throughput with stacked
subcarriers / A2C. I do like the single unit sparing on
the Bridgewave.

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Adair Winter
mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote:

Aviat WTM4200 dual core with 2' antennas is just over
$11k. Does 1.4Gb and has an SFP+ interface. it's my
new fave radio

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:44 AM Erich Kaiser
mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote:

HOw much is a fully loaded Aviat link?


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com

Office: 815-570-3101





On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:31 AM Gino A. Villarini
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core
radio… the Bridgewave and Aviat radios that do
this are single core… so less $$

*From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of
Erich Kaiser mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>>
*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios

No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need
a combiner that they sell that goes between
the dish and radio.  Non-Adjacent channels
could be an option with two radios but
probably would do it with two PTP820S and a
combiner.


Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com


Office: 815-570-3101

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A.
Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Don’t you need an extra radio for this on
the 820C?

*Gino**Villarini **
*Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
m:

  

Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Nate Burke]

Maybe the LEO Companies have started broadcasting low levels of 2.4 
noise to start people complaining about their current ISP, so they'll 
switch as soon as the new service is available.


On 1/25/2020 12:24 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Looking through the logs from our hosted speedtest.net server for the last 
month doesn’t show anything unusual in the distribution of download test 
results.Overall it seems pretty evenly distributed (though I’m too lazy to 
calculate the actual statistics).   Ok, I guess a few - average download is 
64Mbps, Median is 21Mbps.


Mark


On Jan 25, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

Just looked back through the call logs.

This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3 megabits".  I had him go 
to speed.ui.com and he reports 10 and 2 (his plan).

On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse WIFI With 
multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of a field.  Always 4mb 
on the download.
On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which often make 
things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an epidemic of this all of a sudden 
though.

If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable company 
rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber company in the area?


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to be 6 or more 
WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the same channel.


bp


On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they are
Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik
BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI,
signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I can
watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other
latency or packetloss.

Anyone else seen something similar?


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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Mark Radabaugh]

Looking through the logs from our hosted speedtest.net server for the last 
month doesn’t show anything unusual in the distribution of download test 
results.Overall it seems pretty evenly distributed (though I’m too lazy to 
calculate the actual statistics).   Ok, I guess a few - average download is 
64Mbps, Median is 21Mbps. 


Mark

> On Jan 25, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just looked back through the call logs.
> 
> This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3 megabits".  I had him 
> go to speed.ui.com and he reports 10 and 2 (his plan).
> 
> On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse WIFI With 
>> multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of a field.  Always 
>> 4mb on the download.
>> On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which often make 
>>> things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an epidemic of this 
>>> all of a sudden though.
>>> 
>>> If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable company 
>>> rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber company in the 
>>> area?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
>>> 
>>> I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to be 6 or 
>>> more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the same channel.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
 It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
 getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
 only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they are
 Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik
 BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI,
 signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I can
 watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other
 latency or packetloss.
 
 Anyone else seen something similar?
 
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC 3.5 GHz Spectrum Auction 105

[Mark Radabaugh]

In the interest of getting the ACTUAL rules into this discussion instead of 
just speculation, this is what the FCC rules are on term and renewal 
requirements:

(3)  License term:  Each PAL has a ten-year license term.  Licensees must file 
a renewal application in accordance with the provisions of Section 1.949.

(4)  Performance requirement:  Priority Access Licensees must provide 
substantial service in their license area by the end of the initial license 
term.  “Substantial” service is defined as service which is sound, favorable, 
and substantially above the level of mediocre service which might minimally 
warrant renewal.  Failure by any licensee to meet this requirement will result 
in forfeiture of the license without further Commission action, and the 
licensee will be ineligible to regain it.   <>Licensees shall demonstrate 
compliance with the performance requirement by filing a construction 
notification with the Commission in accordance with the provisions set forth in 
§ 1.946(d) of this chapter.  The licensee must certify whether it has met the 
performance requirement, and file supporting documentation, including 
description and demonstration of the bona fide service provided, electronic 
maps accurately depicting the boundaries of the license area and where in the 
license area the licensee provides service that meets the performance 
requirement, supporting technical documentation, any population-related 
assumptions or data used in determining the population covered by a service to 
the extent any were relied upon, and any other information the Wireless 
Telecommunications Bureau may prescribe by public notice.  A licensee’s showing 
of substantial service may not rely on service coverage outside of the PAL 
Protection Areas of registered CBSDs or on deployments that are not reflected 
in SAS records of CBSD registrations. 

(i)  Safe harbor for mobile or point-to-multipoint service.  A Priority Access 
Licensee providing a mobile service or point-to-multipoint service may 
demonstrate substantial service by showing that it provides signal coverage and 
offers service, either to customers or for internal use, over at least 50 
percent of the population in the license area.

(ii)  Safe harbor for fixed point-to-point service.  A Priority Access Licensee 
providing a fixed point-to-point service may demonstrate substantial service by 
showing that it has constructed and operates at least four links, either to 
customers or for internal use, in license areas with 134,000 population or less 
and in license areas with greater population, a minimum number of links equal 
to the population of the license area divided by 33,500 and rounded up to the 
nearest whole number.  To satisfy this provision, such links must operate using 
registered Category B CBSDs.



Mark Radabaugh
WISPA Policy Committee Chair
419-261-5996

Mark


> On Jan 24, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 1/24/20 3:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> You have to actually have gear up, it's not like n license where you just 
>> register. It's got to be live and transmitting, and it's verified every 4 
>> minutes
> 
> 
> Right, someone gets the PALs, does nothing so it's usable as GAA, then at 
> some point later start transmitting in the PAL to kick the GAA users 
> somewhere else possibly more congested.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

[chuck]

That is the reason I always wear a condom to church.

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 9:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

https://www.wyff4.com/article/report-church-websites-less-safe-than-porn/7001092


On 1/25/2020 10:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Top Kek scat.  I didn’t look it up, but it has the word scat in it vocab 
for the day.  I remember when scat was a respectable form of music.  High class 
progenitor of rap.


  Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
wrote:


 
Porn makes a ton of ad revenue. Like most things, the content is only a 
small part of the revenue. I don't know if they get kickbacks from the malware, 
that's probably even more lucrative. You could support an entire large volume 
porn site with quality bukake and top kek scat with the revenue generated off 
the malware

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 9:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I don’t know, I’m getting pretty desperate for stuff to watch on TV that 
isn’t politics.  I can’t watch the news anymore except 2 minutes for the 
weather forecast.  Might have to check out this porn of which you speak.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 7:51 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming



  Well, that is some of the best news I have heard today.  Hate to think 
society is so depraved that porn is their only interest.  



  From: Darin Steffl 

  Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:45 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming



  This porn figure is wrong. I recall seeing some people sharing figures 
from procera or some other DPI and porn was less than 2% of the streaming 
totals. 



  On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Maybe they’re talking about live sex cams.



But I don’t believe porn is 2X streaming.  Unless there is a huge 
variation with demographics.  I believe 80-90% of peak hour traffic is regular 
video streaming, so porn is in the 10-20% along with email, web browsing, 
shopping and homework.



https://dilbert.com/strip/1998-07-02





From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:35 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming



I just read a factoid that porn is still 2X all streaming combined.



What I don’t understand is where the money for porn comes from.  

Who is paying for this porn?



Perhaps I don’t understand the appetite.  

A commodity that is ubiquitous, free and pretty much all the same but 
still creates huge revenues

Obviously I do not understand something here.  

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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Matt Hoppes]

Just looked back through the call logs.

This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3 megabits".  I had 
him go to speed.ui.com and he reports 10 and 2 (his plan).


On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse WIFI 
With multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of a 
field.  Always 4mb on the download.


On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which often 
make things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an epidemic 
of this all of a sudden though.


If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable 
company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber 
company in the area?



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to be 6 
or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the same channel.



bp


On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they are
Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik
BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI,
signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I can
watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other
latency or packetloss.

Anyone else seen something similar?







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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Nate Burke]

Ok, I've had this one this week too.  WIFI devices not connecting to a 
Tik, disabling/enabling the wifi interface fixes it.


On 1/25/2020 10:55 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

AND.. I'm now on the third support call for today.

Them: "Is the internet down?"
Me: "No, what's going on?"
Them: "I don't have any WiFi"

Me: "OK, I see everything including your router connected"
Them: My devices won't connect
Me: OK, let's try rebooting your router
Them: Yup, it's working now.

This was on a MikroTik WiFi router.

Boosters absolutely make things worse and as soon as we learn of one 
we tell people to unplug them.


In our case it's not a subdivision, and it's all over -- in town, in 
extremely rural areas with no cable or anything else.


It's just a slew of "WiFi is broken".

Sometimes speeds are so bad you can't stream/speed tests are terrible. 
Other times the router has just completely locked up and needs a restart.


But like I said, we almost never have support calls, I've taken 3 
already today, and the phones were going off the hook last week with 
WiFi issues across all brands.


On 1/25/20 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which often 
make things worse not better.  Not sure why there would be an 
epidemic of this all of a sudden though.


If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable 
company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber 
company in the area?



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to be 
6 or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the same 
channel.



bp


On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device.  If they are
Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik
BW Tests are always fine.  Where I can see their in House WIFI,
signal/modulation looks ok.  It's always 4mb on the download. I can
watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other
latency or packetloss.

Anyone else seen something similar?








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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Matt Hoppes]

AND.. I'm now on the third support call for today.

Them: "Is the internet down?"
Me: "No, what's going on?"
Them: "I don't have any WiFi"

Me: "OK, I see everything including your router connected"
Them: My devices won't connect
Me: OK, let's try rebooting your router
Them: Yup, it's working now.

This was on a MikroTik WiFi router.

Boosters absolutely make things worse and as soon as we learn of one we 
tell people to unplug them.


In our case it's not a subdivision, and it's all over -- in town, in 
extremely rural areas with no cable or anything else.


It's just a slew of "WiFi is broken".

Sometimes speeds are so bad you can't stream/speed tests are terrible. 
Other times the router has just completely locked up and needs a restart.


But like I said, we almost never have support calls, I've taken 3 
already today, and the phones were going off the hook last week with 
WiFi issues across all brands.


On 1/25/20 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which often make 
things worse not better.  Not sure why there would be an epidemic of this all of a sudden 
though.

If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable company 
rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber company in the area?


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to be 6 or more 
WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the same channel.


bp


On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device.  If they are
Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik
BW Tests are always fine.  Where I can see their in House WIFI,
signal/modulation looks ok.  It's always 4mb on the download.  I can
watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other
latency or packetloss.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

[chuck]

Amusing blasphemy!  You truly have a gift Steve.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

I'm pretty sure Louis Armstrong wrote what a wonderful world upon discover of 
scat porn

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 10:14 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

  According to Webster, the original use of the word was "to move away 
quickly". The second definition was animal fecal dropping. The jazz doesn't 
make it until #3.

  There are a total of 5 uses of the word (so far). 
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scat



bp


On 1/25/2020 8:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Top Kek scat.  I didn’t look it up, but it has the word scat in it 
vocab for the day.  I remember when scat was a respectable form of music.  High 
class progenitor of rap.


Sent from my iPhone


  On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
wrote:


   
  Porn makes a ton of ad revenue. Like most things, the content is only a 
small part of the revenue. I don't know if they get kickbacks from the malware, 
that's probably even more lucrative. You could support an entire large volume 
porn site with quality bukake and top kek scat with the revenue generated off 
the malware

  On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 9:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I don’t know, I’m getting pretty desperate for stuff to watch on TV 
that isn’t politics.  I can’t watch the news anymore except 2 minutes for the 
weather forecast.  Might have to check out this porn of which you speak.





From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 7:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming



Well, that is some of the best news I have heard today.  Hate to think 
society is so depraved that porn is their only interest.  



From: Darin Steffl 

Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:45 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming



This porn figure is wrong. I recall seeing some people sharing figures 
from procera or some other DPI and porn was less than 2% of the streaming 
totals. 



On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Maybe they’re talking about live sex cams.



  But I don’t believe porn is 2X streaming.  Unless there is a huge 
variation with demographics.  I believe 80-90% of peak hour traffic is regular 
video streaming, so porn is in the 10-20% along with email, web browsing, 
shopping and homework.



  https://dilbert.com/strip/1998-07-02





  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:35 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming



  I just read a factoid that porn is still 2X all streaming combined.



  What I don’t understand is where the money for porn comes from.  

  Who is paying for this porn?



  Perhaps I don’t understand the appetite.  

  A commodity that is ubiquitous, free and pretty much all the same but 
still creates huge revenues

  Obviously I do not understand something here.  

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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Nate Burke]

I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse WIFI 
With multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of a 
field.  Always 4mb on the download.


On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which often 
make things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an epidemic 
of this all of a sudden though.


If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable 
company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber 
company in the area?



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to be 6 
or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the same channel.



bp


On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they are
Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik
BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI,
signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I can
watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other
latency or packetloss.

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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Ken Hohhof]

Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which often make 
things worse not better.  Not sure why there would be an epidemic of this all 
of a sudden though.

If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable company 
rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber company in the area?


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to be 6 or more 
WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the same channel.


bp


On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only 
> getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The 
> only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device.  If they are 
> Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik 
> BW Tests are always fine.  Where I can see their in House WIFI, 
> signal/modulation looks ok.  It's always 4mb on the download.  I can 
> watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other 
> latency or packetloss.
>
> Anyone else seen something similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Bill Prince]

  
  
OTOH, maybe all your neighbors are getting an ORBI. Our nearest
  neighbor is ~~ 300 feet away, and when I scan for WiFi devices, it
  was always "just us". A month or two ago, I think our nearby
  neighbor got an ORBI, and now it shows up on a scan. Of course,
  it's on the same channel as ours...


bp



On 1/25/2020 8:28 AM, Matt Hoppes
  wrote:


  
  We have had an unusual amount of “WIFI issues” this
week. 
  
  
  Belkin, Netgear and our Cambium routers. 
  
  
  Literally just got off a call with another fellow
who asked if service was down. We troubleshoot and discovered it
was just the iPad not connecting. But the iPad has worked
before. 
  
  
  I have no idea what’s going on. 
  
  
  Issues across multiple counties. All WIFI related.
All seem like an interference issue. And some in very rural
areas. 
  
On Jan 25, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

  
  

  I've seen speedtest.net results posted
that show an icon for the test histories of connection
types. I always wondered what generates that. But my guess
would be that whatever the speed test component is that's
identifying traffic by connection type is applying some qos
profile server-side or some back end update is otherwise
limiting results for wireless devices.


Have you had them test with other
  speedtests?
  
  
  
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:36
  AM Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:

Yes. We
  almost never get support calls. Had probably 6 this past
  week, including one I’m emailing with right now. 
  
  Always turns out to be a WiFi issue. 
  
  No idea what’s going on. 
  
  In one case we switched them to a dual band router and all
  was well on the 5GHz. 
  
  > On Jan 25, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Nate Burke 
  wrote:
  > 
  > It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people
  who are only getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net,
  uploads are normal.  The only thing in common is that they
  are on a WIFI device.  If they are Hardwired, everything
  seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik BW Tests
  are always fine.  Where I can see their in House WIFI,
  signal/modulation looks ok.  It's always 4mb on the
  download.  I can watch the traffic graph, and it just
  flatlines at 4mb with no other latency or packetloss.
  > 
  > Anyone else seen something similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Bill Prince]

I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to be 6 
or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the same channel.



bp


On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only 
getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The 
only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device.  If they are 
Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik 
BW Tests are always fine.  Where I can see their in House WIFI, 
signal/modulation looks ok.  It's always 4mb on the download.  I can 
watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other 
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Matt Hoppes]

We have had an unusual amount of “WIFI issues” this week. 

Belkin, Netgear and our Cambium routers. 

Literally just got off a call with another fellow who asked if service was 
down. We troubleshoot and discovered it was just the iPad not connecting. But 
the iPad has worked before. 

I have no idea what’s going on. 

Issues across multiple counties. All WIFI related. All seem like an 
interference issue. And some in very rural areas. 

> On Jan 25, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> I've seen speedtest.net results posted that show an icon for the test 
> histories of connection types. I always wondered what generates that. But my 
> guess would be that whatever the speed test component is that's identifying 
> traffic by connection type is applying some qos profile server-side or some 
> back end update is otherwise limiting results for wireless devices.
> 
> Have you had them test with other speedtests?
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:36 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Yes. We almost never get support calls. Had probably 6 this past week, 
>> including one I’m emailing with right now. 
>> 
>> Always turns out to be a WiFi issue. 
>> 
>> No idea what’s going on. 
>> 
>> In one case we switched them to a dual band router and all was well on the 
>> 5GHz. 
>> 
>> > On Jan 25, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>> > 
>> > It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only getting 
>> > 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal.  The only thing in 
>> > common is that they are on a WIFI device.  If they are Hardwired, 
>> > everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik BW Tests are 
>> > always fine.  Where I can see their in House WIFI, signal/modulation looks 
>> > ok.  It's always 4mb on the download.  I can watch the traffic graph, and 
>> > it just flatlines at 4mb with no other latency or packetloss.
>> > 
>> > Anyone else seen something similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

[Steve Jones]

I'm pretty sure Louis Armstrong wrote what a wonderful world upon discover
of scat porn

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 10:14 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> According to Webster, the original use of the word was "to move away
> quickly". The second definition was animal fecal dropping. The jazz doesn't
> make it until #3.
>
> There are a total of 5 uses of the word (so far).
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scat
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/25/2020 8:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Top Kek scat.  I didn’t look it up, but it has the word scat in it
> vocab for the day.  I remember when scat was a respectable form of music.
> High class progenitor of rap.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Steve Jones 
>  wrote:
>
> 
> Porn makes a ton of ad revenue. Like most things, the content is only a
> small part of the revenue. I don't know if they get kickbacks from the
> malware, that's probably even more lucrative. You could support an entire
> large volume porn site with quality bukake and top kek scat with the
> revenue generated off the malware
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 9:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I don’t know, I’m getting pretty desperate for stuff to watch on TV that
>> isn’t politics.  I can’t watch the news anymore except 2 minutes for the
>> weather forecast.  Might have to check out this porn of which you speak.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2020 7:51 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, that is some of the best news I have heard today.  Hate to think
>> society is so depraved that porn is their only interest.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Darin Steffl
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2020 6:45 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming
>>
>>
>>
>> This porn figure is wrong. I recall seeing some people sharing figures
>> from procera or some other DPI and porn was less than 2% of the streaming
>> totals.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Maybe they’re talking about live sex cams.
>>
>>
>>
>> But I don’t believe porn is 2X streaming.  Unless there is a huge
>> variation with demographics.  I believe 80-90% of peak hour traffic is
>> regular video streaming, so porn is in the 10-20% along with email, web
>> browsing, shopping and homework.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://dilbert.com/strip/1998-07-02
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2020 6:35 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming
>>
>>
>>
>> I just read a factoid that porn is still 2X all streaming combined.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I don’t understand is where the money for porn comes from.
>>
>> Who is paying for this porn?
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps I don’t understand the appetite.
>>
>> A commodity that is ubiquitous, free and pretty much all the same but
>> still creates huge revenues
>>
>> Obviously I do not understand something here.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

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I've seen speedtest.net results posted that show an icon for the test
histories of connection types. I always wondered what generates that. But
my guess would be that whatever the speed test component is that's
identifying traffic by connection type is applying some qos profile
server-side or some back end update is otherwise limiting results for
wireless devices.

Have you had them test with other speedtests?

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:36 AM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> Yes. We almost never get support calls. Had probably 6 this past week,
> including one I’m emailing with right now.
>
> Always turns out to be a WiFi issue.
>
> No idea what’s going on.
>
> In one case we switched them to a dual band router and all was well on the
> 5GHz.
>
> > On Jan 25, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> >
> > It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
> getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal.  The only
> thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device.  If they are Hardwired,
> everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik BW Tests are
> always fine.  Where I can see their in House WIFI, signal/modulation looks
> ok.  It's always 4mb on the download.  I can watch the traffic graph, and
> it just flatlines at 4mb with no other latency or packetloss.
> >
> > Anyone else seen something similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

[Bill Prince]

  
  
According to Webster, the original use of the word was "to move
  away quickly". The second definition was animal fecal dropping.
  The jazz doesn't make it until #3.
There are a total of 5 uses of the word (so far).         https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scat


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On 1/25/2020 8:00 AM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  Top Kek scat.  I didn’t look it up, but it has the word scat in
  it vocab for the day.  I remember when scat was a respectable
  form of music.  High class progenitor of rap.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Steve Jones
   wrote:
  

  
  

  Porn makes a ton of ad revenue. Like most
things, the content is only a small part of the revenue. I
don't know if they get kickbacks from the malware, that's
probably even more lucrative. You could support an entire
large volume porn site with quality bukake and top kek scat
with the revenue generated off the malware
  
  
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 9:30
  PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


  

  I don’t know, I’m getting pretty
desperate for stuff to watch on TV that isn’t
politics.  I can’t watch the news anymore except 2
minutes for the weather forecast.  Might have to
check out this porn of which you speak.
   
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 7:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

  
   
  

  
Well,
that is some of the best news I have heard
today.  Hate to think society is so depraved
that porn is their only interest.  
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  Darin Steffl 


  Sent:
  Friday, January 24, 2020 6:45 PM


  To:
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


  Subject:
  Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

  


   

  
  

  This
  porn figure is wrong. I recall seeing some
  people sharing figures from procera or
  some other DPI and porn was less than 2%
  of the streaming totals. 


   


  
On
Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof

wrote:
  
  

  
Maybe
they’re talking about live sex cams.
 
But
I don’t believe porn is 2X
streaming.  Unless there is a huge
variation with demographics.  I
believe 80-90% of peak hour traffic
is regular video streaming, so porn
is in the 10-20% along with email,
web browsing, shopping and homework.
 
https://dilbert.com/strip/1998-07-02
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

[Nate Burke]

https://www.wyff4.com/article/report-church-websites-less-safe-than-porn/7001092

On 1/25/2020 10:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Top Kek scat.  I didn’t look it up, but it has the word scat in it 
vocab for the day.  I remember when scat was a respectable form of 
music.  High class progenitor of rap.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:



Porn makes a ton of ad revenue. Like most things, the content is only 
a small part of the revenue. I don't know if they get kickbacks from 
the malware, that's probably even more lucrative. You could support 
an entire large volume porn site with quality bukake and top kek scat 
with the revenue generated off the malware


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 9:30 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I don’t know, I’m getting pretty desperate for stuff to watch on
TV that isn’t politics.  I can’t watch the news anymore except 2
minutes for the weather forecast.  Might have to check out this
porn of which you speak.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com

*Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2020 7:51 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

Well, that is some of the best news I have heard today.  Hate to
think society is so depraved that porn is their only interest.

*From:*Darin Steffl

*Sent:*Friday, January 24, 2020 6:45 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

This porn figure is wrong. I recall seeing some people sharing
figures from procera or some other DPI and porn was less than 2%
of the streaming totals.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Maybe they’re talking about live sex cams.

But I don’t believe porn is 2X streaming.  Unless there is a
huge variation with demographics.  I believe 80-90% of peak
hour traffic is regular video streaming, so porn is in the
10-20% along with email, web browsing, shopping and homework.

https://dilbert.com/strip/1998-07-02

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*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming

I just read a factoid that porn is still 2X all streaming
combined.

What I don’t understand is where the money for porn comes from.

Who is paying for this porn?

Perhaps I don’t understand the appetite.

A commodity that is ubiquitous, free and pretty much all the
same but still creates huge revenues

Obviously I do not understand something here.

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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Matt Hoppes]

Yes. We almost never get support calls. Had probably 6 this past week, 
including one I’m emailing with right now. 

Always turns out to be a WiFi issue. 

No idea what’s going on. 

In one case we switched them to a dual band router and all was well on the 
5GHz. 

> On Jan 25, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only getting 
> 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal.  The only thing in 
> common is that they are on a WIFI device.  If they are Hardwired, everything 
> seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik BW Tests are always fine.  
> Where I can see their in House WIFI, signal/modulation looks ok.  It's always 
> 4mb on the download.  I can watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 
> 4mb with no other latency or packetloss.
> 
> Anyone else seen something similar?
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[AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Nate Burke]

It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only 
getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal.  The only 
thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device.  If they are 
Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. Tik 
BW Tests are always fine.  Where I can see their in House WIFI, 
signal/modulation looks ok.  It's always 4mb on the download.  I can 
watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other 
latency or packetloss.


Anyone else seen something similar?

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Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

[Mike Hammett]

Mike's my regional guy. He's probably yours too. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:52:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest) 


Gotcha, thanks. 


So you are buying your hardware direct from Calix? Do you have a contact there? 


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:59 PM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 



Calix used to be an add-on at $50 upfront and $10 per month. We've since 
increased all our plans $10 per month and now the first router is FREE and 
customers love it. If they need a mesh, it's just $5 per month, nothing 
upfront. 


This has gotten our take rates 99% for new customers and we've had great luck 
upgrading existing customers too because they get a speed increase and a free 
router for just $10 more with our new plans. 


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:47 PM Jason McKemie < 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: 



So are you including this as part of the service or is it an add-on? Do you 
charge an upfront fee? 


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:52 AM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > 
wrote: 



I didn't find it hard to get 1000+ of these deployed over 2 years. We are a 
small wisp and we've only emailed existing customers about it twice and many 
switch to it. Also anytime a customer calls and doesn't have one, we upsell. 


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 11:27 AM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 





Calix CPE is probably an easier decision for a FISP, or for a new WISP just 
starting deployment, or for a big provider that deploys a pallet load of 
routers every day. 

For an established small WISP with maybe a couple thousand existing customers 
and a modest number of new customers monthly, converting to Calix and meeting 
their minimums for cloud features can be troublesome. It’s also easier for a 
big carrier to just put a team of people from their CPE department on getting 
it done. For a small WISP, it’s one more project for the head techie. 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 10:51 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest 

Last time I checked the 844E + Calix ONT was actually cheaper than the 844G. 

On Friday, January 24, 2020, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Hard disagree. The 844G is *CHEAP* compared to ONT+WiFi Router in terms of 
hardware. Having one box/troubleshoot point is a nice cost savings, too. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 




On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:31 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




There's no way Calix will get a dime from me. Everything is so expensive 
compared to alternatives. 



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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 12:29:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest 

What does Calix get you for on the management? I've been looking into some 
options for managed routers, and I like the 844E, but Calix is pretty proud of 
their management platform and it just doesn't make a lot of sense for the 
number of managed routers we would be deploying right now. 



I'm wondering if anyone out there has any experience with Ubiquiti's Dream 
Machine (unfortunate name, since Sony has been using it for a couple of 
decades). At least Ubiquiti has a management platform that I don't need to 
sacrifice my firstborn for. 



On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:47 AM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > 
wrote: 



Guys, 



Start heavily pushing managed routers. We're all Calix with 804mesh and we 
include the first router free in all our plans. 



Makes a huge difference. 



Google wifi is bad because there's no way to manually set the 5ghz channel away 
from our radio. We have one customer we told this and that their service will 
stink until they switch to our router or get a different mesh system like orbi 
where you can still set the channel manually. 



We also do not support any speedtest except speedtest.net and selecting one 
server we like. Also they have to be hardwired to the POE or we won't respond 
to their tests. This eliminates much of the back and forth wifi speedtests. 



On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 11:34 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
> wrote: 


I've had a slew of wifi related calls this week. Plug in, no issue. 
WiFi -- interference - customer needs to get a dual band router, or it's 
so bad it's just not fixable. 

I really just want to tell folks "WiFi is not supported on our service, 
use at your own risk"... but of 

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