Re: [AFMUG] Looking for

[Chuck McCown via AF]

If I could teach a PI to trigger something like an amber alert on my phone it 
would be great.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> I have a hard time imagining how this can be done without a server of some 
> kind.
> 
> You can do a heck of a lot with a Raspberry pi. That's still a server, but it 
> would be very simple and cheap.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 11/2/2021 5:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> Alarms with an app.  I would like an alarm sending unit that gives me near 
>> real-time notifications similar to UniFi.  I don’t think Forrest’s stuff 
>> will do this.  Suggestions?  Something that will give me an alert on my 
>> phone.  Don’t want a server involved.  Don’t think snmp traps are a 
>> solution.  Don’t want anything that has to poll.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] Billing for underground damage

[Chris Fabien]

The damages we have been paid on, we have not submitted much of a
detailed bill. Simple description of the damaged facilities, relevant
facts, and Cost to Repair: $.xx.
Have been paid by local power company, auto insurance, and our
customers. Have an $8000 damage invoice out to local road commission
currently for mowing 3 pedestals and may have to fight on that one.
Good luck!

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 6:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> Depends on the company.  I generally get a check in about a month or two
> from smaller guys.  Larger companies you may have to gin up a small clams
> complaint and fire it across their bow to get their attention.  If they
> ignore it just file the thing.  They probably will not show to the hearing
> if they are dusting you off.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 1:56 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing for underground damage
>
> How long does it usually take for the offending company to payout?  It's
> a nationwide contractor.  Is it a year long process of them submitting
> to their insurance and just waiting through bureaucracy?
>
> On 7/23/2021 2:35 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> > I bill for time and materials as if I was making the repair for someone
> > else.  That means marked up materials and profit on top of loaded payroll
> > expense.  You can bill for whatever you want but if you have to litigate
> > it best to just try to get yourself whole.  If you have proof it was
> > painted prior to damage it will help a bunch.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> >>
> >> Not sure if this varies state to state, how do you bill for damage to
> >> underground facilities?  A large contractor hit one of our marked
> >> underground lines twice in 4 days while putting in a new conduit.
> >>
> >> Do you send them a simple invoice with a dollar amount, a fully itemized
> >> time/materials bill?  We haven't had a hit of this scale before, so I'm
> >> not sure what they would be expecting.  I'm guessing they deal with this
> >> on a daily basis, probably have a whole team to deal with claims.  Just
> >> not sure what documentation/invoices we need to send them.
> >>
> >> Can you bill for the time the customers were down, or purely for the
> >> repair?
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Sonoff has some sensors that could be kludged to do the job.  An alarm panel 
that will push a notification will work.  SMS is fine.

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> On Nov 2, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Mains power, inverter power, generator power, fuse alarms, stuff like that.

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> On Nov 2, 2021, at 8:10 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> What device or type outage are you trying to get an alarm from?
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 6:29 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> Alarms with an app.  I would like an alarm sending unit that gives me near 
>> real-time notifications similar to UniFi.  I don’t think Forrest’s stuff 
>> will do this.  Suggestions?  Something that will give me an alert on my 
>> phone.  Don’t want a server involved.  Don’t think snmp traps are a 
>> solution.  Don’t want anything that has to poll.
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I am ok if there is a server, I just don’t want to host it.  I use sonoff 
devices to remote control things.  I think their server is in Korea.  I want 
reverse sonoff.

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> On Nov 2, 2021, at 7:49 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> Would an Email to SMS be sufficient?  The Ancient APC stuff could do this 
> with contact closures triggering an email sending, all from the APC board 
> itself.  That's almost instant.  I'm guessing you meant 'no server' as in the 
> triggering device needing to talk to a server that does the alerting.
> 
>> On 11/2/2021 8:29 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> I have a hard time imagining how this can be done without a server of some 
>> kind.
>> 
>> You can do a heck of a lot with a Raspberry pi. That's still a server, but 
>> it would be very simple and cheap.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/2/2021 5:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Alarms with an app.  I would like an alarm sending unit that gives me near 
>>> real-time notifications similar to UniFi.  I don’t think Forrest’s stuff 
>>> will do this. Suggestions?  Something that will give me an alert on my 
>>> phone. Don’t want a server involved.  Don’t think snmp traps are a 
>>> solution.  Don’t want anything that has to poll.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for

[Jaime Solorza]

What device or type outage are you trying to get an alarm from?

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 6:29 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Alarms with an app.  I would like an alarm sending unit that gives me near
> real-time notifications similar to UniFi.  I don’t think Forrest’s stuff
> will do this.  Suggestions?  Something that will give me an alert on my
> phone.  Don’t want a server involved.  Don’t think snmp traps are a
> solution.  Don’t want anything that has to poll.
>
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[AFMUG] OT: Tamale season is amongst us..

[Jaime Solorza]

Yum Yum
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for

[Nate Burke]

Would an Email to SMS be sufficient?  The Ancient APC stuff could do 
this with contact closures triggering an email sending, all from the APC 
board itself.  That's almost instant.  I'm guessing you meant 'no 
server' as in the triggering device needing to talk to a server that 
does the alerting.


On 11/2/2021 8:29 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I have a hard time imagining how this can be done without a server of 
some kind.


You can do a heck of a lot with a Raspberry pi. That's still a server, 
but it would be very simple and cheap.



bp


On 11/2/2021 5:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Alarms with an app.  I would like an alarm sending unit that gives me 
near real-time notifications similar to UniFi.  I don’t think 
Forrest’s stuff will do this. Suggestions?  Something that will give 
me an alert on my phone. Don’t want a server involved.  Don’t think 
snmp traps are a solution.  Don’t want anything that has to poll.


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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for

[Bill Prince]

I have a hard time imagining how this can be done without a server of 
some kind.


You can do a heck of a lot with a Raspberry pi. That's still a server, 
but it would be very simple and cheap.



bp


On 11/2/2021 5:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Alarms with an app.  I would like an alarm sending unit that gives me near 
real-time notifications similar to UniFi.  I don’t think Forrest’s stuff will 
do this.  Suggestions?  Something that will give me an alert on my phone.  
Don’t want a server involved.  Don’t think snmp traps are a solution.  Don’t 
want anything that has to poll.

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[AFMUG] Looking for

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Alarms with an app.  I would like an alarm sending unit that gives me near 
real-time notifications similar to UniFi.  I don’t think Forrest’s stuff will 
do this.  Suggestions?  Something that will give me an alert on my phone.  
Don’t want a server involved.  Don’t think snmp traps are a solution.  Don’t 
want anything that has to poll.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT

[Jaime Solorza]

Funny thing about taxes...i pay for irrigation along with an irrigation tax
and a tax for the Tigua Pueblo Reservation even though they are south of me
down the Rio Grande...it's 14.00 a year ..no biggie...


On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 2:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> Here's a curious one. My wife & I have cell service through Verizon.
> It's a simple plan with unlimited text, unlimited talk, and more data
> than we can use. We pay a fee for the service, and we pay a "fixed
> amount" for each phone. So far, so good.
>
> However, for some reason that I've never explored until this week, my
> wife's "fixed amount" is 28 cents more than mine. It's always been that
> way (25+ years now), and I always wondered, but never investigated.
>
> Yesterday I finally investigated. Turns out, the extra 28 cents is in
> the part labeled "fees and government charges". Looking into that a
> little more finds a fee called "Palo Alto City UUT" in the amount of,
> you guessed it, 28 cents.
>
> Now, if I lived in the city of Palo Alto, I might consider that normal.
> However, we don't live in the city of Palo Alto.
>
> In fact, we don't even live in the same county as Palo Alto. While Palo
> Alto is relatively close, it IS in the next county. Is this even legal?
> How can a city in the next county charge my wife's phone (and not mine)
> a utility tax?
>
> Have any of you looked in your Verizon bill lately?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT

[Bill Prince]

There WAS a class action.

https://www.utilityuserstax.com/

Looks like it ended a while ago, and the deadline to join the class (for 
$8.50 per line) ended in August 2021.



bp


On 11/2/2021 3:49 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Somewhere there is a class action brewing...   I wonder if it's really 
Palo Alto or just the cell provider being dodgy...  Looking on the 
positive side maybe it's something legit...


On 11/2/21 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Be fun to raise hell and see if they will adjust it off and credit 
you for many years of overcharging.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: AFMUG
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT


Here's a curious one. My wife & I have cell service through Verizon.
It's a simple plan with unlimited text, unlimited talk, and more data
than we can use. We pay a fee for the service, and we pay a "fixed
amount" for each phone. So far, so good.

However, for some reason that I've never explored until this week, my
wife's "fixed amount" is 28 cents more than mine. It's always been that
way (25+ years now), and I always wondered, but never investigated.

Yesterday I finally investigated. Turns out, the extra 28 cents is in
the part labeled "fees and government charges". Looking into that a
little more finds a fee called "Palo Alto City UUT" in the amount of,
you guessed it, 28 cents.

Now, if I lived in the city of Palo Alto, I might consider that normal.
However, we don't live in the city of Palo Alto.

In fact, we don't even live in the same county as Palo Alto. While Palo
Alto is relatively close, it IS in the next county. Is this even legal?
How can a city in the next county charge my wife's phone (and not mine)
a utility tax?

Have any of you looked in your Verizon bill lately?






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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT

[Robert Andrews]

Somewhere there is a class action brewing...   I wonder if it's really 
Palo Alto or just the cell provider being dodgy...  Looking on the 
positive side maybe it's something legit...


On 11/2/21 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Be fun to raise hell and see if they will adjust it off and credit you 
for many years of overcharging.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: AFMUG
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT


Here's a curious one. My wife & I have cell service through Verizon.
It's a simple plan with unlimited text, unlimited talk, and more data
than we can use. We pay a fee for the service, and we pay a "fixed
amount" for each phone. So far, so good.

However, for some reason that I've never explored until this week, my
wife's "fixed amount" is 28 cents more than mine. It's always been that
way (25+ years now), and I always wondered, but never investigated.

Yesterday I finally investigated. Turns out, the extra 28 cents is in
the part labeled "fees and government charges". Looking into that a
little more finds a fee called "Palo Alto City UUT" in the amount of,
you guessed it, 28 cents.

Now, if I lived in the city of Palo Alto, I might consider that normal.
However, we don't live in the city of Palo Alto.

In fact, we don't even live in the same county as Palo Alto. While Palo
Alto is relatively close, it IS in the next county. Is this even legal?
How can a city in the next county charge my wife's phone (and not mine)
a utility tax?

Have any of you looked in your Verizon bill lately?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Be fun to raise hell and see if they will adjust it off and credit you for 
many years of overcharging.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:13 PM
To: AFMUG
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT


Here's a curious one. My wife & I have cell service through Verizon.
It's a simple plan with unlimited text, unlimited talk, and more data
than we can use. We pay a fee for the service, and we pay a "fixed
amount" for each phone. So far, so good.

However, for some reason that I've never explored until this week, my
wife's "fixed amount" is 28 cents more than mine. It's always been that
way (25+ years now), and I always wondered, but never investigated.

Yesterday I finally investigated. Turns out, the extra 28 cents is in
the part labeled "fees and government charges". Looking into that a
little more finds a fee called "Palo Alto City UUT" in the amount of,
you guessed it, 28 cents.

Now, if I lived in the city of Palo Alto, I might consider that normal.
However, we don't live in the city of Palo Alto.

In fact, we don't even live in the same county as Palo Alto. While Palo
Alto is relatively close, it IS in the next county. Is this even legal?
How can a city in the next county charge my wife's phone (and not mine)
a utility tax?

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Re: [AFMUG] Billing for underground damage

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Depends on the company.  I generally get a check in about a month or two 
from smaller guys.  Larger companies you may have to gin up a small clams 
complaint and fire it across their bow to get their attention.  If they 
ignore it just file the thing.  They probably will not show to the hearing 
if they are dusting you off.


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 1:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Billing for underground damage

How long does it usually take for the offending company to payout?  It's
a nationwide contractor.  Is it a year long process of them submitting
to their insurance and just waiting through bureaucracy?

On 7/23/2021 2:35 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I bill for time and materials as if I was making the repair for someone 
else.  That means marked up materials and profit on top of loaded payroll 
expense.  You can bill for whatever you want but if you have to litigate 
it best to just try to get yourself whole.  If you have proof it was 
painted prior to damage it will help a bunch.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 23, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

Not sure if this varies state to state, how do you bill for damage to 
underground facilities?  A large contractor hit one of our marked 
underground lines twice in 4 days while putting in a new conduit.


Do you send them a simple invoice with a dollar amount, a fully itemized 
time/materials bill?  We haven't had a hit of this scale before, so I'm 
not sure what they would be expecting.  I'm guessing they deal with this 
on a daily basis, probably have a whole team to deal with claims.  Just 
not sure what documentation/invoices we need to send them.


Can you bill for the time the customers were down, or purely for the 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT

[Jason Wilson]

So now that you poked the bear, I had to look at mine. I also am in
California, east of you. I do not have the Palo Alto UUT fee.

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 13:14 Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> Here's a curious one. My wife & I have cell service through Verizon.
> It's a simple plan with unlimited text, unlimited talk, and more data
> than we can use. We pay a fee for the service, and we pay a "fixed
> amount" for each phone. So far, so good.
>
> However, for some reason that I've never explored until this week, my
> wife's "fixed amount" is 28 cents more than mine. It's always been that
> way (25+ years now), and I always wondered, but never investigated.
>
> Yesterday I finally investigated. Turns out, the extra 28 cents is in
> the part labeled "fees and government charges". Looking into that a
> little more finds a fee called "Palo Alto City UUT" in the amount of,
> you guessed it, 28 cents.
>
> Now, if I lived in the city of Palo Alto, I might consider that normal.
> However, we don't live in the city of Palo Alto.
>
> In fact, we don't even live in the same county as Palo Alto. While Palo
> Alto is relatively close, it IS in the next county. Is this even legal?
> How can a city in the next county charge my wife's phone (and not mine)
> a utility tax?
>
> Have any of you looked in your Verizon bill lately?
>
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[AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT

[Bill Prince]

Here's a curious one. My wife & I have cell service through Verizon. 
It's a simple plan with unlimited text, unlimited talk, and more data 
than we can use. We pay a fee for the service, and we pay a "fixed 
amount" for each phone. So far, so good.


However, for some reason that I've never explored until this week, my 
wife's "fixed amount" is 28 cents more than mine. It's always been that 
way (25+ years now), and I always wondered, but never investigated.


Yesterday I finally investigated. Turns out, the extra 28 cents is in 
the part labeled "fees and government charges". Looking into that a 
little more finds a fee called "Palo Alto City UUT" in the amount of, 
you guessed it, 28 cents.


Now, if I lived in the city of Palo Alto, I might consider that normal. 
However, we don't live in the city of Palo Alto.


In fact, we don't even live in the same county as Palo Alto. While Palo 
Alto is relatively close, it IS in the next county. Is this even legal? 
How can a city in the next county charge my wife's phone (and not mine) 
a utility tax?


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Re: [AFMUG] Billing for underground damage

[Nate Burke]

How long does it usually take for the offending company to payout?  It's 
a nationwide contractor.  Is it a year long process of them submitting 
to their insurance and just waiting through bureaucracy?


On 7/23/2021 2:35 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I bill for time and materials as if I was making the repair for someone else.  
That means marked up materials and profit on top of loaded payroll expense.  
You can bill for whatever you want but if you have to litigate it best to just 
try to get yourself whole.  If you have proof it was painted prior to damage it 
will help a bunch.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 23, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

Not sure if this varies state to state, how do you bill for damage to 
underground facilities?  A large contractor hit one of our marked underground 
lines twice in 4 days while putting in a new conduit.

Do you send them a simple invoice with a dollar amount, a fully itemized 
time/materials bill?  We haven't had a hit of this scale before, so I'm not 
sure what they would be expecting.  I'm guessing they deal with this on a daily 
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documentation/invoices we need to send them.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[TJ Trout]

There's a guy on YouTube who mailed airtags to n Korea and several other
places just to track them for a video, pretty interesting. They seem to
work pretty good, dare I say almost as good as a cellular tracker?

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 9:11 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> For trailers and stuff?  I use gpsandfleet.com - it's a $250 one time
> purchase and works until the battery dies.  Do a 1 poll/day cycle and it's
> 3-5 years.
>
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> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
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>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Recurring payment expense is my main concern.
>>
>> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:46 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>> I have a cellular/GPS asset tracker coming out in a few months. Chuck,
>> happy to let you test it out NC.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random
 persons data plan?
 I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty sneaky
 way of getting a free ride.

 *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
 *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags


 The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps
 to the tracking service.

 Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.



 It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token snagging
 enough “air time” to report home.



 Jim Bouse
 Owner - Brazos WiFi
 979-999-7000
 http://www.brazoswifi.com



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
 *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags



 Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.

 How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get connectivity
 to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but
 that isnt worth anything over distance.



 I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting
 them on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.
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Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

[Ryan Ray]

Sounds like normal business to me.

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:25 AM James Howard  wrote:

> One of those deals where the salesman tells everybody that “I gave you a
> lower price than ANYONE else gets so don’t tell anyone what you’re paying
> because they’ll complain and I’ll get in trouble and have to raise your
> prices” hoping that nobody will compare notes?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 2, 2021 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
>
>
>
> There's a minimum.  It's not too hateful.
>
>
>
> I don't feel comfortable with posting what we're paying...
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 5:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Seems it was so much per sub and a minimum.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 3:19 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
>
>
>
> Prices are negotiable. Call Calix and start a conversation.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 2:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> What does Calex get per month to manage the gigaspires?  What are the
> minimums.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 2:25 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
>
>
>
> Well a GS4227 is a gigaspire u6xso that being close it's probably the
> same WiFi deal.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 12:56 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> That is typical with the U6, Jan.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 6:07 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
> The label says Gigaspire GS4220E.  I'm impressed, just got in from another
> install.  The in room signal was at -32db, the backroom was at -32db.  The
> air-Cube was in room -32db the back room was at -50db.  I used the wifi
> analyzer app on my android to measure the signal.  I don't believe the test
> results.  Never seen a no-loss through walls before.  I must have
> screwed-up.  Both units were mounted at same place.
>
> On 10/29/21 13:25, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Was it a Gigaspire u6?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:10 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
> We're replacing aircubes with gigaspires, a calix product.  A job I went
> to yesterday had a frontier router(now zipley) that was barely reaching a
> back-bedroom with -78db.  The Calix gigaspire showed -60db in that room.
> The aircubes which I haven't had a chance to compare to a gigaspire yet
> we're hands down better than airrouters and a little better than the
> air-routers LR which I had thought were pretty good devices as they were
> better than tplinks.  The sense of using a $300 unit to replace a new $27
> unit makes none to me, but it does come with a fancy phone app.  The ROI is
> over a year IMHO.
>
> On 10/29/21 11:28, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I supposedly have the fountain of youth in my back yard.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2021 12:03 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
>
>
>
> Supposably 300 mbps under those conditions
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> Founder / President
> @GVillarini
> 787.273.4143 |
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> 
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of dmmoff...@gmail.com <
> dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, October 29, 2021 at 10:54 AM
> *To: *'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
>
> It might be a good link, but 6db won’t give you good system capacity.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2021 10:25 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
>
>
>
> Good tech, we are going to try it.  They are clamming 6db SNR ratio for
> good link…  let see
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> Founder / President
> @GVillarini
> 787.273.4143 |
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

[James Howard]

One of those deals where the salesman tells everybody that “I gave you a lower 
price than ANYONE else gets so don’t tell anyone what you’re paying because 
they’ll complain and I’ll get in trouble and have to raise your prices” hoping 
that nobody will compare notes?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

There's a minimum.  It's not too hateful.

I don't feel comfortable with posting what we're paying...

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 5:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Seems it was so much per sub and a minimum.

From: Ryan Ray
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 3:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

Prices are negotiable. Call Calix and start a conversation.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 2:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
What does Calex get per month to manage the gigaspires?  What are the minimums.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 2:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

Well a GS4227 is a gigaspire u6xso that being close it's probably the same 
WiFi deal.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 12:56 PM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That is typical with the U6, Jan.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 6:07 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

The label says Gigaspire GS4220E.  I'm impressed, just got in from another 
install.  The in room signal was at -32db, the backroom was at -32db.  The 
air-Cube was in room -32db the back room was at -50db.  I used the wifi 
analyzer app on my android to measure the signal.  I don't believe the test 
results.  Never seen a no-loss through walls before.  I must have screwed-up.  
Both units were mounted at same place.
On 10/29/21 13:25, Josh Luthman wrote:
Was it a Gigaspire u6?

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:10 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

We're replacing aircubes with gigaspires, a calix product.  A job I went to 
yesterday had a frontier router(now zipley) that was barely reaching a 
back-bedroom with -78db.  The Calix gigaspire showed -60db in that room.  The 
aircubes which I haven't had a chance to compare to a gigaspire yet we're hands 
down better than airrouters and a little better than the air-routers LR which I 
had thought were pretty good devices as they were better than tplinks.  The 
sense of using a $300 unit to replace a new $27 unit makes none to me, but it 
does come with a fancy phone app.  The ROI is over a year IMHO.
On 10/29/21 11:28, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
I supposedly have the fountain of youth in my back yard.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 12:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

Supposably 300 mbps under those conditions






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Gino Villarini
Founder / President
@GVillarini
787.273.4143 |

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Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
dmmoff...@gmail.com 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, October 29, 2021 at 10:54 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
It might be a good link, but 6db won’t give you good system capacity.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 10:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

Good tech, we are going to try it.  They are clamming 6db SNR ratio for good 
link…  let see








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Gino Villarini
Founder / President
@GVillarini
787.273.4143 |

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Josh Luthman]

For trailers and stuff?  I use gpsandfleet.com - it's a $250 one time
purchase and works until the battery dies.  Do a 1 poll/day cycle and it's
3-5 years.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Recurring payment expense is my main concern.
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:46 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>
> I have a cellular/GPS asset tracker coming out in a few months. Chuck,
> happy to let you test it out NC.
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random
>>> persons data plan?
>>> I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty sneaky
>>> way of getting a free ride.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>>
>>>
>>> The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps to
>>> the tracking service.
>>>
>>> Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token snagging
>>> enough “air time” to report home.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Bouse
>>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>>> 979-999-7000
>>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.
>>>
>>> How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get connectivity
>>> to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but
>>> that isnt worth anything over distance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting them
>>> on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I need another blue pill...

From: Jan-GAMs 
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 9:32 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

You sure you're not just the "mark"?  The world according to google the owner 
of the phone is a temporary delusion.  They control everything about your phone 
and Zuckerburg knows everything else about you including your psychological 
profile.  They control, zuckerburg knows, you and everybody else is just along 
for the ride.  Confused?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4PjWgiH-LQ


On 11/2/21 08:05, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  not mine...my phone is special...its Mine

  Jaime Solorza 
  Wireless Systems Architect
  915-861-1390


  On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:50 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

The radio is on if your WiFi interface is up (in most if not all phones).  
Which means it's functioning.  Pairing is not part of the equation here.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:44 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  i rarely , very rarely use Bluetooth

  Jaime Solorza 
  Wireless Systems Architect
  915-861-1390


  On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:47 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Not illegal if you opt in to it.  Everyone just does by default. 

Like Amazon's sidewalk thing.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal

  On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some 
random persons data plan?
I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty 
sneaky way of getting a free ride.  

From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s 
gps to the tracking service.  

Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.



It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token 
snagging enough “air time” to report home.



Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com



From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags



Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.

How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get 
connectivity to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue 
tooth but that isnt worth anything over distance.



I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting 
them on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.  



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Jaime Solorza]

my phone is covered with tin foil...two wraps!! sas
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 9:33 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> You sure you're not just the "mark"?  The world according to google the
> owner of the phone is a temporary delusion.  They control everything about
> your phone and Zuckerburg knows everything else about you including your
> psychological profile.  They control, zuckerburg knows, you and everybody
> else is just along for the ride.  Confused?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4PjWgiH-LQ
> On 11/2/21 08:05, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> not mine...my phone is special...its Mine
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:50 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> The radio is on if your WiFi interface is up (in most if not all
>> phones).  Which means it's functioning.  Pairing is not part of the
>> equation here.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:44 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i rarely , very rarely use Bluetooth
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:47 AM Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not illegal if you opt in to it.  Everyone just does by default.

 Like Amazon's sidewalk thing.

 Josh Luthman
 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

> Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random
>> persons data plan?
>> I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty
>> sneaky way of getting a free ride.
>>
>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>>
>> The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps
>> to the tracking service.
>>
>> Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.
>>
>>
>>
>> It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token
>> snagging enough “air time” to report home.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-999-7000
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
>> AF
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>>
>>
>> Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.
>>
>> How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get
>> connectivity to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about 
>> blue
>> tooth but that isnt worth anything over distance.
>>
>>
>>
>> I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting
>> them on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Jan-GAMs]

You sure you're not just the "mark"?  The world according to google the 
owner of the phone is a temporary delusion.  They control everything 
about your phone and Zuckerburg knows everything else about you 
including your psychological profile. They control, zuckerburg knows, 
you and everybody else is just along for the ride.  Confused? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4PjWgiH-LQ


On 11/2/21 08:05, Jaime Solorza wrote:

not mine...my phone is special...its Mine
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:50 AM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:


The radio is on if your WiFi interface is up (in most if not all
phones).  Which means it's functioning. Pairing is not part of the
equation here.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:44 AM Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

i rarely , very rarely use Bluetooth
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:47 AM Josh Luthman
 wrote:

Not illegal if you opt in to it. Everyone just does by
default.

Like Amazon's sidewalk thing.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

So free forwarding just automagically happens? 
They ride some random persons data plan?
I realize it is such a small amount of data but
that is a pretty sneaky way of getting a free ride.
*From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
*Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and
relay the phone’s gps to the tracking service.

Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking
token.

It relies on random folks wandering by and the
Bluetooth token snagging enough “air time” to
report home.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com 

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of
*Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* Chuck McCown 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.

How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do
they get connectivity to the world.  Most of the
stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but that
isnt worth anything over distance.

I rent out some construction equipment and I am
thinking of putting them on the equipment.  But I
need a better understanding.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Jaime Solorza]

not mine...my phone is special...its Mine
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:50 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> The radio is on if your WiFi interface is up (in most if not all phones).
> Which means it's functioning.  Pairing is not part of the equation here.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:44 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> i rarely , very rarely use Bluetooth
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:47 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not illegal if you opt in to it.  Everyone just does by default.
>>>
>>> Like Amazon's sidewalk thing.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal

 On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

> So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random
> persons data plan?
> I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty
> sneaky way of getting a free ride.
>
> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>
>
> The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps
> to the tracking service.
>
> Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.
>
>
>
> It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token
> snagging enough “air time” to report home.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
> AF
> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>
>
>
> Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.
>
> How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get
> connectivity to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue
> tooth but that isnt worth anything over distance.
>
>
>
> I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting
> them on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Is that part of the blue tooth spec?  Anon forwarding?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 8:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

The radio is on if your WiFi interface is up (in most if not all phones).  
Which means it's functioning.  Pairing is not part of the equation here.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:44 AM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  i rarely , very rarely use Bluetooth

  Jaime Solorza 
  Wireless Systems Architect
  915-861-1390


  On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:47 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Not illegal if you opt in to it.  Everyone just does by default. 

Like Amazon's sidewalk thing.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal

  On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random 
persons data plan?
I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty sneaky 
way of getting a free ride.  

From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps 
to the tracking service.  

Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.



It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token snagging 
enough “air time” to report home.



Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com



From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags



Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.

How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get connectivity 
to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but that 
isnt worth anything over distance.



I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting 
them on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.  



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Recurring payment expense is my main concern.  

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

I have a cellular/GPS asset tracker coming out in a few months. Chuck, happy to 
let you test it out NC.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal

  On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random 
persons data plan?
I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty sneaky way 
of getting a free ride.  

From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps to 
the tracking service.  

Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.



It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token snagging 
enough “air time” to report home.



Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com



From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags



Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.

How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get connectivity to 
the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but that isnt 
worth anything over distance.



I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting them on 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Josh Luthman]

The radio is on if your WiFi interface is up (in most if not all phones).
Which means it's functioning.  Pairing is not part of the equation here.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:44 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> i rarely , very rarely use Bluetooth
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:47 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Not illegal if you opt in to it.  Everyone just does by default.
>>
>> Like Amazon's sidewalk thing.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random
 persons data plan?
 I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty sneaky
 way of getting a free ride.

 *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
 *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags


 The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps
 to the tracking service.

 Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.



 It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token snagging
 enough “air time” to report home.



 Jim Bouse
 Owner - Brazos WiFi
 979-999-7000
 http://www.brazoswifi.com



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
 *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags



 Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.

 How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get connectivity
 to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but
 that isnt worth anything over distance.



 I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting
 them on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Jaime Solorza]

i rarely , very rarely use Bluetooth
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:47 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Not illegal if you opt in to it.  Everyone just does by default.
>
> Like Amazon's sidewalk thing.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random
>>> persons data plan?
>>> I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty sneaky
>>> way of getting a free ride.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>>
>>>
>>> The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps to
>>> the tracking service.
>>>
>>> Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token snagging
>>> enough “air time” to report home.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Bouse
>>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>>> 979-999-7000
>>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.
>>>
>>> How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get connectivity
>>> to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but
>>> that isnt worth anything over distance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting them
>>> on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[can...@believewireless.net]

I have a cellular/GPS asset tracker coming out in a few months. Chuck,
happy to let you test it out NC.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random
>> persons data plan?
>> I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty sneaky
>> way of getting a free ride.
>>
>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>>
>> The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps to
>> the tracking service.
>>
>> Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.
>>
>>
>>
>> It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token snagging
>> enough “air time” to report home.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-999-7000
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>>
>>
>> Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.
>>
>> How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get connectivity
>> to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but
>> that isnt worth anything over distance.
>>
>>
>>
>> I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting them
>> on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Josh Luthman]

Not illegal if you opt in to it.  Everyone just does by default.

Like Amazon's sidewalk thing.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random
>> persons data plan?
>> I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty sneaky
>> way of getting a free ride.
>>
>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>>
>> The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps to
>> the tracking service.
>>
>> Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.
>>
>>
>>
>> It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token snagging
>> enough “air time” to report home.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-999-7000
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>>
>>
>> Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.
>>
>> How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get connectivity
>> to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but
>> that isnt worth anything over distance.
>>
>>
>>
>> I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting them
>> on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.
>>
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