Re: [AFMUG] Musco Towers

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Whats the windloading on these towers? 
 
  On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke wrote:   Would 
that be true even on these that bolt onto a concrete base?  I 
would think that a 80' pole would be 80' if it's bolting on a base.

Install of $3-4k, what was the actual pole cost?

On 1/5/2022 7:43 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
> And btw:  an 80' pole is 70' AGL.  The bottom 10ft goes in the dirt.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Moffett 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2022 8:27 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Musco Towers
>
> My last outfit did a whole bunch of 80' fiberglass poles like that. With step 
> bolts, safety climb systems, and mounting hardware at the top.
>
> 80' was about the biggest pole you could put in with a normal size digger 
> derrick truck.  You can call any utility line contractor for that.  We had 
> them put in for around $2500 each. Bore hole, assemble pole sections, drop in 
> hole, back fill, and hydraulic compaction.  I'm positive we can't get that 
> price today, but I'd imagine $3000-$4000 for installation.  Obviously it's 
> different if it's your own derrick truck.
>
> We did one that was 96' and called in a crane for that one.  The derrick 
> truck could lift it, but wasn't tall enough to pick it above the center of 
> gravity so couldn't tip it into the hole. Even so, crane service for a few 
> hours was only an extra $500 or so.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 12/23/2021 12:14 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> https://www.musco.com/wireless-structures/
>>
>> Anybody used these or know about pricing?  We seem to have a growing
>> need for 60-100' towers, but the concrete cost is always the killer.
>> Seems like this would need a smaller concrete base, and doesn't need
>> all the forming and curing time.  Years ago we did a project for a
>> municipality, and they put in a 50' light pole for us to attach a
>> single SM to, but they just backfilled the precast base with aggregate
>> and did start to finish in a couple hours.  It was just a normal
>> streetlight pole though, no pegs or anything.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Are any of you using these?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

If miners are in short supply, not able order how is the coverage areas getting 
populated with new miners so rapidly? I see those hexes growing fast, or is it 
another way they're increasing  heliums coverage area?


 
 
  On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:02 AM, Tim Withrow wrote:   If 
miners are in short supply,not able order how is the coverahe areas getting 
pooulated with new miners so rapidly. I see those hexes growing fast, or is it 
another way they're increasing  heliums coverage area? 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Are any of you using these?

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If miners are in short supply,not able order how is the coverahe areas getting 
pooulated with new miners so rapidly. I see those hexes growing fast, or is it 
another way they're increasing  heliums coverage area? 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Inspriation 4 launch

[Tim Withrow via AF]

I cant begin to fathom what's my bucket list would look like if I had that kind 
of money. 


 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Experience with Unitas as a Bandwidth Provider

[Tim Withrow via AF]

I knew  Unitas was a awesome Quarterback and  football player, never knew  or 
heard of a  Internet concern. 
If this is a misspelling, i have heard good things about Unite Private networks 
and Uniti Fiber, if its one of these entities you meant. 
  On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 11:04 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

Good morning!
 
  
 
Can anybody share their experiences with Unitas as an Upstream provider? 
 
  
 
Thanks!
 
  
 
Paul
 
  
 
Paul McCall, President 
 
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
 
658 Old Dixie Highway
 
Vero Beach, FL 32962
 
772-564-6800
 
  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: House Vibrations

[Tim Withrow via AF]

I guess if it is a thing, place, or state I have or will only  have missed 2 
departures, if it comes while im still here. I'm not on or in the waiting line.
 Has any of those Heavens Gate folks sent any pics of their journey? 
 
  On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 4:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:   Well, 
I might not fit in too well in heaven anyhow.  Early leader of my church said: 
“I see no faults in the Church, and therefore let me be resurrected with the 
Saints, whether I ascend to heaven or descend to hell, or go to any other 
place. And if we go to hell, we will turn the devils out of doors and make a 
heaven of it.” Hopefully I can get the beer concession.   From: Tim Withrow 
Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 2:07 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: House Vibrations Doesnt look like 
anyone in this list was re placed 藍

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: House Vibrations

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Doesnt look like anyone in this list was re placed 藍


 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] G.fast or G.hn for MDUs with older wiring

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Sharing cables is a headache. Constant truck rolls fixing  what others (ie, 
telco or cableco)has modified after your install. 
competitive pressures keep the budget tight on capex costs related to what's 
practical to get it going but in the long run those truck rolls start eating 
into the diminishing returns.
Ethernet cable or Fiber has a longer ROI  on investment however, if you can 
structure your easement or property agreements sufficiently you have better 
choices to chose from at your disposal in making the upgrades more practical.
 
 
  On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:33 AM, Brough Turner wrote:   
We're an urban WISP with most of our residential customers in MDUs. Most of 
these MDUs have Cat5e or Cat6 from central closets (usually per floor) into 
each unit.  However, we have 13 buildings where we deployed Planet VDSL2 gear 
over older phone wire between 2013 & 2016.  We stopped going after such 
buildings and stopped deploying new VDSL2 gear in 2017.  Now Planet has 
discontinued the equipment we were using and we just used our only spare DSLAM, 
so we'll have to upgrade at least a few buildings (if only to obtain spares to 
keep the rest of our VDSL2 buildings alive).
I have some G.hn experience.  Back in 2017, we did a demonstration project with 
Korea Telecom using G.hn equipment that KT provided:   
http://www.madison-park.org/press/bostons-netblazr-korea-telecom-partner-supply-affordable-housing-residents-free-high-speed-internet/The
 building had older 25-pair telecom cables terminated on Type 66 blocks, i.e. 
1970s(?) wiring.  As we connected customers, the results got worse and worse, 
presumably the result of cross talk in the 25-pair bundles. In the end, results 
were still a bit better than the 70-80 Mbps we get from our Planet VDSL2 gear, 
but not much.  One thing I noticed was the KT DSLAM (UbiQuoss U4224BU) had 
individual RJ11 jacks for each line.  This compares with G.fast equipment that 
seems to connect via 25-pair cables.  Talking to a KT engineer who came to 
Boston to help with the installation, I got the impression that most MDUs where 
this gear is used in Korea have Cat3 cabling, not 25-pair bundles.  In any 
event, I'm a bit discouraged with G.hn.
The pro-G.fast arguments include that it has better crosstalk protection, for 
example this:   
http://www.mocalliance.org/access/Broadband-technology-evaluation-and-analysis.pdfbut
 I have no experience as yet.
If I go with G.fast, I'm aware of these vendors:
Fast Systems (Robert Muller CTO)AdtranCalix
I know Robert and have talked with him recently.  But I don't have any 
experience with any G.fast equipment.
If anyone has actually deployed G.fast in an MDU, I'd love to hear about the 
setup and your experience.

Thanks,
Brough

Brough Turner
netBlazr Inc. – Free your Broadband!
Mobile:  617-285-0433   Skype:  brough
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Re: [AFMUG] Need a mediatrix c711 overnight

[Tim Withrow via AF]

 voipsupply.com
On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 Paul McCall  wrote:

Anybody know where I can get one of these overnighted (today) ?
 
  
 
Mediatrix c711
 
  
 
Paul McCall, President 
 
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
 
658 Old Dixie Highway
 
Vero Beach, FL 32962
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: gamestop

[Tim Withrow via AF]

can this be correlated to bank runs of times  past and  the ways it was 
accomplished? seems similar in operation.
On Thursday, January 28, 2021 Robert Andrews  wrote:
About right & add a couple of numbers.  Stock was at $20, hedge funds 
were trying to drive it to $10 by throwing shade.  Shorts have to be 
covered at certain risk points.  Reddit'ers in a market bet group saw 
that the hedges had shorted it by ( get this ) 130% of released stock!!! 
  ( how they can borrow more than 100% is apparently allowed in futures 
(bad))..  Redditors drove it to $147/share and the hedge funds and one 
in particular were $137 BILLION in the red.  The one that was going BK 
borrowed $76 Billion to cover from another hedge and briefly sent it 
back down _for a couple of hours_ till the redditors dug in again. ( 
they know that the short _has_ to be covered.  Then it got serious. 
Musk and some other really rich people who have been burned by hedge 
funds doing this to them ( Telsa stock had been depressed for years by 
this ) decided that it was time for the chicken to come home to roost. 
They decided to throw $$ at it that they don't really worry about. 
What's 10 million to Musk?  Today I saw it trading briefly at $390. 
Wall Street is rallying behind the hedges and calling in all the favors 
due.  PR, Congress, investors like public retirements, etc.  They are 
going to push for legislation.  Truly a screw you between two groups.

I'm warming up the popcorn...

Best comment I've seen from the Hedge fund CEO.  I've lost my company, 
my house, my cars, my boat, my wife, how could you do this for "fun"

Responses were hilarious...  Like, "Didn't you put any away for a rainy 
day?"



On 01/28/2021 09:31 AM, David Coudron wrote:
> My wife has been following this, so I am relating second hand 
> information.  This is the way I understand it.
> 
> A hedge fund guy has been bashing game stop for some time.  Says 
> business is outdated.  Terrible stock, etc.  Turns out the his fund 
> owned a bunch of it and had been betting on it going down and short sold 
> it.  Gamers got pissed about bashing game stop and organized a buy of a 
> bunch of stock.  Stock price went way up, and now the hedge fund who 
> had short sold it, had to buy back at high prices.  Lost $10 Billion 
> last time she looked.  They stepped in to keep the hedge fund from 
> collapsing.
> 
> That is what I understand anyway.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Coudron
> 
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:26 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ot: gamestop
> 
> Can someone break this down for me to a window licker level of dumb?
> 
> If i understand it, hedgefund operators banked on the price going down, 
> so shit posters rallied together to drive it up, and on friday the 
> hedgefund operators are forced to purchase at the inflated price? Is 
> this the gist?
> 
> Now government is trying to step in to protect the hedgefunds from the 
> shitposters?
> 
> 
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[AFMUG] Historical network.

[Tim Withrow via AF]

 I am not sure if the provider's web page is correct but this certainly looks 
like a very Historical Network with quite a decent coverage area in Northern 
Idaho and Eastern Washington. 
 
https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb
 

https://www.yourt1wifi.com/
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Local / Community FM Radio Station?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

lots of info in these two LPFM groups 

https://www.prometheusradio.org

http://commonfrequency.org/

On Monday, October 26, 2020 cgray  wrote:

Does anyone here have experience setting up a small / local / community FM 
radio station? 

  

I’m looking to understand the cost and equipment implications of doing so [from 
a minimalist perspective, I suppose]. I was asked to see if it would be 
technically possible for our town to do.

  

Thank you, Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Wi-fi provider 18 Miles NW of Orlando

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Bayshore is 
nearby not sire about your specific location(s)
https://www.bayshore.net/service/wireless-networking/
On Thursday, October 22, 2020 Chris Herrington  wrote:
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I am looking for a Wi-fi provider 18 miles NW of Orlando.

  

Any Ideas?

  

Thanks, Chris H 

  


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[AFMUG] 60 Ghz Distributor(s) Kwikbit

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Does anybody have any information related to who the distributor is for these 
products in the US? https://www.kwikbit.com/

edit: need more coffee, messed up post earlier 


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[AFMUG] 60 Ghz distributor(s) Kwikbit

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Does anybody have any information related to who the distributor is for these 
products in the US?
https://www.kwikbit.com/
On Friday, October 2, 2020 Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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I used to get new customers claiming I gave their neighbor free install or a 
discount and they wanted it too, but I’d look up the neighbor’s invoice and it 
wasn’t true.  Not sure if the person was trying to trick me or the neighbor 
just mis-remembered.  But yeah, show me the paperwork where I did that.

  

Or was this maybe the guy that was selling knockoff Stingers made out of dinner 
plates or something like that?  Wanna buy a genuine Rolax watch for cheap?

  

  

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2020 4:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] who is Vistabeam

  

One of our distributors is upset, claiming I sold quantities direct to 
Vistabeam at super low prices, twice.  

Didn’t do it.  I don’t do that.  Good way to lose your distribution chain.

 

Distributor says Vistabeam said I did...  I knew the name sounded familiar.

A bit of afternoon drama.  

 

I’ll let Vistabeam and the distributor discuss it.  

 

From: Nate Burke 

Sent: Friday, October 2, 2020 3:10 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] who is Vistabeam

 

Any Context?  Side of a Truck?  PCN Filing?  Spelled out by a skywriter?  

On 10/2/2020 4:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] More Starlink up there!

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Once he get 20,000  birds up there maybe they'll do something like a cellular 
handoff  still there's going to be more jitter and packet loss, it seems. one 
hell of a mathematician I also  imagine it will take , to get it all 
synchronized. 
On Thursday, September 3, 2020 Bill Prince  wrote:
 
The difference has got to be with the number f ground stations. Unless my 
understanding is incorrect, Geo-synchronous satellites have one ground station 
per satellite. Starlink will have lots of ground stations with traffic split 
between them Certainly not 12,000, but perhaps one ground station per every two 
or three rings? I'm guessing they could add ground stations in areas with a lot 
of traffic as well?
 

 
 bp


 On 9/3/2020 11:12 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
  
 

A graceful hand-off might only give you a brief moment of jitter.
 
My skepticism is directed at capacity.  I haven't seen how 12,000 satellites 
gives you 12,000X capacity like some people seem to assume.  Once you've used 
every channel in a certain area then you don't get more of them no matter how 
many more AP's you install.
 
Maybe the plan is after you Hughesnet's lunch you buy them out and use their 
channels too.  Repeat with Viasat etc.
 
 On 9/3/2020 12:21 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:
  
 
 
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/09/spacex-launches-12th-starlink-mission-says-users-getting-100-mbps-downloads/
  
  "Initial results have been good," she said. These tests reveal "super-low 
latency," and download speeds greater than 100 megabits per second. This, she 
noted, would provide enough bandwidth to play the fastest online games and 
stream multiple HD movies at once. 
  
  I'm wondering what happens when it needs to swap to another dish, the 
tracking will need to change fast and that delay would probably kill any gamers 
in the heat of battle :)   

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Re: [AFMUG] What is “reselling”?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Seems like  I remember a more recent case involving the FCC and a large 
fine/sanction  wherea fellow had set up shop under one of the big boys. my 
Googlefu couldn't find it, however I did find this old one.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/03/comcast-goes-after-illegal-resale-of-its-internet-service/
On Monday, August 17, 2020 Adam Moffett  wrote:
Here's a case where a 3rd party worked in our favor:

A vending machine company sells these fancy juke boxes to bars. They 
download songs over the Internet so they have a library of millions of 
songs you can pick from without actually having to store millions of 
songs.  The bar needs an internet connection for this to work of 
course.  Several of these bars had a recurring "issue" where the Jukebox 
would stop working and they'd call the vending machine company who would 
then call us and find out the bill for Internet wasn't paid.  So the 
vending machine company took over the Internet bills for several of 
these bars.

 From my perspective this was a win-win.  The vending machine company 
pays the Internet bill reliably and on time every month. The bar owner 
always calls them for support anyway, and barely knows who we are.  The 
vending machine co has to collect on their service contract anyway, so 
collecting on the Internet at the same time wasn't a big deal to them, 
but now they don't have to take the call about the jukebox "not working" 
due to the Internet bill not being paid.

.lots of other times the 3rd party seller was more trouble than they 
were worth, but in this particular case we were better off having them 
in the loop.


On 8/17/2020 8:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> It means what the contract says it means, but there's probably at least 3 
> issues:
>
> 1)  Taking away potential customers.
>
> 2)  Whether it is shared/oversubscribed service (either residential or 
> commercial), or DIA which by definition is dedicated bandwidth that you can 
> use 100% 24x7 if you want.
>
> 3)  Who has the end customer relationship, for purposes of AUP/TOS, 
> maintenance, etc.  I will no longer sell through middlemen, where I don't 
> have the end customer relationship.  If someone wants a commission of some 
> sort for bringing me the sale, that's different.  But if the customer wants 
> to open a trouble ticket, I want them to call me, not some reseller.  If we 
> see a violation of our terms of service, or get a court order from LEA 
> regarding customer's use of the connection, or an abuse report, or we need to 
> do maintenance or a repair, I want a name and number to call.  If the 
> connection is down, I want an actual site contact to find out if power is on, 
> etc.  If we do a dispatch, I want a contact for someone who will meet us at 
> the site.
>
> We've all heard stories of WISPs who get calls about an outage or lousy 
> service from customers they don't recognize, only to discover that a customer 
> is reselling their service to several neighbors.  You go to a site like 
> speedtest.net and it tells you the provider, not the reseller, so that's who 
> you badmouth for having bad service.  Even if it's the guy with the Linksys 
> router in the Tupperware tub who is reselling the service.
>
> Comcast has had cases where some guy orders one residential cable connection 
> in each of several dozen MDUs, and then goes into business selling that 
> service to the other residents, at a rate below Comcast's retail rate.  So 
> they don't get any other customers in those buildings.  Needless to say, they 
> got their lawyers involved.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 7:02 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is “reselling”?
>
> I think if you provide some significant part of the infrastructure required 
> to reach that end user then you're not reselling, you are just the next tier 
> in the chain of service providers.  The ongoing use of the concepts of "Tier 
> 1" through "Tier 3" providers supports that notion.
>
> I've always thought of reselling as being a middle man in the sales channel 
> without putting in significant last mile infrastructure.  At one time we were 
> reselling Verizon DSL.  We had a connection to them and they would somehow L2 
> bridge the DSL traffic from our customers' lines over an ATM circuit to our 
> office.  We provided AAA and L3 connectivity to the Internet, but they 
> provided the entire last mile connection.  If you paid them more per unit 
> they would do the entire thing from the house to the Internet and all you did 
> was push money around (and take the support calls).  Those are clear reseller 
> scenarios.
>
> To Chuck's comment about the AUP: I would definitely disallow the first 
> practice unless someone is paying appropriately for a Tier2 service.  I don't 
> actually care if they do the second scenario. If they want to buy my service 
> and mark it up $20 and call it their own then I 100% don't care (MSP's 

Re: [AFMUG] starlink speed test results!

[Tim Withrow via AF]

that last ping test is ahhhinteresting.  I guess real-world is somewhere 
more like 80-10ms
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 Robert  wrote:
You can listen to all the BS and disclaimers through the first 5 minutes 
or just jump to 5 minutes in to find the results.  Well, for an unloaded 
net, this isn't going to spin any pinwheels...  I am amazed at the 
results being this weird...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcan2c4gWSA

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Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cables made quickly?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Fibertronics
2900 Dusa Drive,
Melbourne Florida, 32934
321-473-8933

fibertronics.com/
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 Paul McCall  wrote:

Looking for a reliable source for getting custom fiber cables made quickly.  
(and cost effectively).
 
  
 
We often do short runs (200 to 500 ft.) of fiber (usually just 2 LC UPC 
connectors on it each end, with a pull eye) to go from building to building, so 
in conduit, outdoor rated.  While we do our own splicing for other things, it 
seems simpler to have some of these made for us, vs figuring out how to take a 
single strand (x2) spliced to a feed cable and make that single strand be 
structurally solid and with a pull eye on one end.
 
  
 
We do maybe one a month.  Was using FS.COM but they are sometimes very slow to 
make them and shipping on their outdoor cable is quite expensive, nearly as 
much (or more than) the cable itself.
 
  
 
Looked at IntegraOptics but they are at least (4) weeks out.
 
  
 
Paul
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
Paul McCall, President 
 
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
 
658 Old Dixie Highway
 
Vero Beach, FL 32962
 
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Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

[Tim Withrow via AF]

After posting this I seen an article that said they (WFA) was the crusader. 
Wispa seems to be a member of that group as well.
https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-6
On Thursday, April 23, 2020 Tim Reichhart  wrote:
I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it WISPA 
isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.



 

-Original Message-
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Date: 04/23/20 10:14
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

So did WISPA make this happen?  Or was it the millions these companies dropped 
that made it happen?
On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen  wrote:


The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name 
companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of them. 
They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power (WiFi6) usage.
I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out of the 
goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the common 
man/small business. 
So the question is who can utilize this spectrum?
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

FCC has total authority over these bands.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of 
Congress?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser  
wrote:

yes you are right.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Towererich@northcentraltower.comOffice: 815-570-3101




On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


More like 4.9 to 7.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

 

Two of the UNII  bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, so 
really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum proposed will 
likely be unuseable outdoor.  I feel like from a reliability standpoint it will 
be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general.   What about the 
Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able to cover the entire 
band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently?  Just thinking...

 

 

 

 

 




Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com

Office: 815-570-3101

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:


from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list:

 

"There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard 
Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that 
determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have 
geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the "client AP" 
is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, so the licensed 
PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch of companies 
have already been working on AFCs.


The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It is 
limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be weatherproof, 
must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 dBm). Since those can 
use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit concerned. But between building 
entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the directionality of the FS dishes, 
harmful interference is unlikely. That is likely to be a volume market for 
Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, and ours, will be standard power.

The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like cell 
phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for AFC-controlled 
devices."

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:


Yep...lots of buzz from this

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:


WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order.  they are hoping 
it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db.

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF  wrote:


I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 Gigahertz 
today.

any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless?

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[AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

[Tim Withrow via AF]

I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6 Gigahertz 
today. 

any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless?
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Re: [AFMUG] Siklu

[Tim Withrow via AF]

I've reached out to Siklu in the past and they answer tech questions on their 
products pretty fast.
Be sure to specify whether you're inquiring  specifics about the Etherhaul or 
the Multihaul line.

https://www.siklu.com/support/contact-support/
On Monday, July 15, 2019 Ben Royer  wrote:
Quick Q Does anyone know if the Siklu BH’s will take –56v DC? Thank you,
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Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

[Tim Withrow via AF]

rental is best  I would think if you're not going to put it the full use. 
Here's a couple links that can help you out.

https://www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/otdr-rentals

I would say go with the best to rent.



https://www.flukenetworks.com/content/authorized-rental-partners
On Thursday, June 27, 2019 Paul McCall  wrote:

  
 
We are looking for a cost-effective (cheap) ODTR to test fiber we are putting 
in a business park.  Not looking to have much otherwise. 
 
  
 
Any budget friendly gear that works well?   Or maybe rent /borrow one for a 
week?
 
  
 
Paul McCall, President 
 
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
 
658 Old Dixie Highway
 
Vero Beach, FL 32962
 
772-564-6800
 
  
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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Ahhh Man, I didn't even get a chance to follow the rainbow.. just archived the 
link.
On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 Nate Burke  wrote:
 Like I said, it was 2 years ago, but I had to go through support to verify the 
broken radios before it let me purchase it from the store.  They gave me a 
special code to use at the store.  
 
 Nate
 
 On 6/26/2019 4:48 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
  
 
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Followed the link and it says “Sold Out”…..
 
  
 
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Withrow via AF
 Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:21 PM
 To: af@af.afmug.com
 Cc: Tim Withrow 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair
 
  
 
Thanks for the tip
   
On Monday, June 24, 2019 Nate Burke  wrote:
   
There's an official repair channel through UBNT I Believe.   In 2017 I sent in 
2 broken AF24 radios, and they let me buy refurbed radios for $400 each.    
Everything was coordinated through Support and then ordered via the UBNT Store. 
 Unless thing have changed since then.
 
 https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=airfiber+repair=airfiber+repair*
 
 
 
 
   
On 6/24/2019 6:10 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
   
I have a couple of AirFiber24s that need repair.   
 
 
 
Anyone doing this?
 
 
 
Thanks
 
 
 
Adam
  

 
 
  
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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair

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Thanks for the tip
On Monday, June 24, 2019 Nate Burke  wrote:
 There's an official repair channel through UBNT I Believe.   In 2017 I sent in 
2 broken AF24 radios, and they let me buy refurbed radios for $400 each.    
Everything was coordinated through Support and then ordered via the UBNT Store. 
 Unless thing have changed since then.
 
https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=airfiber+repair=airfiber+repair*
 
 
 
 
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Anyone doing this?
 
  
 
Thanks
 
  
 
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

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 [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites
>>>>>    Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>
>>>>>    I would suspect they are going to have hundreds of earth
>>>>>    stations as opposed to one or two earth stations that legacy
>>>>>    platforms have. Up to the bird, maybe across one or two birds,
>>>>>    and back down to the fiber-fed earth stations. I've seen the
>>>>>    numbers, but I forgot the numbers. It's real bandwidth at each
>>>>>    one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    -
>>>>>    Mike Hammett
>>>>>    Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>    
>>>>><https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>    Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>    
>>>>><https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>    The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>    <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    *From: *"Tim Withrow via AF" 
>>>>>    *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>    *Cc: *"Tim Withrow" 
>>>>>    *Sent: *Saturday, June 1, 2019 4:43:01 PM
>>>>>    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites
>>>>>    Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space
>>>>>
>>>>>    What kind of bandwidth  capacity could each satellite have  at
>>>>>    any given point?
>>>>>    What is the usable bandwidth of their system?  Who makes a
>>>>>    radio that big to carry/transmit such  capacity or is it an
>>>>>    aggregate of small radio's?
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    On Saturday, June 1, 2019 Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    Naturally, we're all thinking about what effect this will have
>>>>>    in rural America, but I am also wondering if this would have
>>>>>    some effect on China's "great firewall"?
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>
>>>>>    bp
>>>>>    
>>>>>      
>>>>>
>>>>>    On 6/1/2019 1:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    I think one factor advocacy groups and govt critters need to
>>>>>    keep in mind is that instead of robust competition, what could
>>>>>    occur is “disruptive” pricing, having the effect of
>>>>>    discouraging or bankrupting the competition.  And now some new
>>>>>    entrant is the only game in town.  And if it turns out to be
>>>>>    unreliable, or not to  have enough capacity,  or their speeds
>>>>>    are actually best effort, or their satellites start dropping
>>>>>    out of the sky, or whatever, people can’t switch back to their
>>>>>    old provider. Like being dissatisfied with online stores and
>>>>>    assuming you can always switch back to the old brick and mortar
>>>>>    store, from Uber and Lyft back to taxis and limos.  Sorry, they
>>>>>    don’t exist anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>
>>>>>    This is unlikely to happen in big cities, I doubt Comcast will
>>>>>    go bankrupt because of Starlink.  But to just assume there will
>>>>>    be lots of choices out in the middle of nowhere driving the
>>>>>    price down without any of them turning off the lights, seems a
>>>>>    little naïve.
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>

Re: [AFMUG] the start of the 6G hype?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

The hype and timelines for the evolution of 5,6,7 and 8G seems scrambled and 
undefined now.  Maybe Korea will lead the way with a even better network 
evolution to jump over the hype and just implement what works.

On Monday, June 17, 2019 Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
Just really makes me scratch my head.    What the heck does remote AI have to 
do with needing huge data transfer schemes?   Unless we are talking about 
seriously expanding the type of sensor data there isn’t much more input or 
output data to transfer back and forth between the end user device and the 
remote computer than what can already be done.   Two, maybe three video 
streams, a couple audio channels, a few other lower data rate streams and you 
pretty much have it.   
Mark


On Jun 17, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
At first I assumed this was a joke or satire, but apparently not.  
https://venturebeat.com/2019/06/14/researchers-say-6g-will-stream-human-brain-caliber-ai-to-wireless-devices/
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Re: [AFMUG] Where is the outrage over package delivery neutrality?!?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Free market economy. All the shippers are discovering Amazon is going to beat 
them at their own game. I think it's too late in the game now for the shippers 
to pull away and still have a positive outcome on their balance sheet.
On Saturday, June 8, 2019 fiberrun  wrote:
I don't get it; what am I supposed to be upset about?

I see no connection to net neutrality or even first mile access.


Jared
 
 

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019
From: "Sean Heskett" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , Members 

Subject: [AFMUG] Where is the outrage over package delivery neutrality?!?

So if FedEx was and ISP and Amazon was an “edge provider” wouldn’t all the 
neutrality freaks be up in arms with pitchforks over this??
 
Oh wait probably not since this is just free market capitalism ;-)
 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/07/tech/fedex-amazon/index.html
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Tim Withrow via AF]

What kind of bandwidth  capacity could each satellite have  at any given point? 
What is the usable bandwidth of their system?  Who makes a radio that big to 
carry/transmit such  capacity or is it an 
aggregate of small radio's?
On Saturday, June 1, 2019 Bill Prince  wrote:
 
Naturally, we're all thinking about what effect this will have in rural 
America, but I am also wondering if this would have some effect on China's 
"great firewall"?
 

 
 bp


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I think one factor advocacy groups and govt critters need to keep in mind is 
that instead of robust competition, what could occur is “disruptive” pricing, 
having the effect of discouraging or bankrupting the competition.  And now some 
new entrant is the only game in town.  And if it turns out to be unreliable, or 
not to  have enough capacity,  or their speeds are actually best effort, or 
their satellites start dropping out of the sky, or whatever, people can’t 
switch back to their old provider.  Like being dissatisfied with online stores 
and assuming you can always switch back to the  old brick and mortar store, 
from Uber and Lyft back to taxis and limos.  Sorry, they don’t exist anymore.
 
  
 
This is unlikely to happen in big cities, I doubt Comcast will go bankrupt 
because of Starlink.  But to just assume there will be lots of choices out in 
the middle of nowhere driving the price down without any of them turning off 
the lights, seems a little naïve.
 
  
 
And to assume big megacorps like SpaceX, Amazon, Googe,  Facebook, etc. would 
never price below cost to be “disruptive” also seems naïve.
 
  
 
  
   
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
 Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 3:20 PM
 To: af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning 
Home (and Fading Out) | Space
   
  
 
Sure. But after the clouds, geostationary still needs to go another 23,000 
miles. LEO only has to go a few hundred.
 
  
 bp      
On 6/1/2019 10:47 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
  
  
Clouds are generally a lot lower than a couple hundred miles... 
  
  
   
On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 10:58 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
  
 
Maybe at geostationary distances, but these are only a few hundred miles up.
 
 bp
 
 
 On 6/1/2019 8:56 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 > Don't those bands have significant attenuation issues with like... 
 > clouds?
 >
 > On 6/1/19 10:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 >> According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V bands.
 >>
 >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_(satellite_constellation)
 >>
 >> bp
 >> 
 >>
 >> On 6/1/2019 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
 >>> Wonder what frequencies they will use?
 >>>
 >>> https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-phone-home-dimming.html 
 >>>
 >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] wispa.org

[Tim Withrow via AF]

 looks like it's time to find a better provider
On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 Matt Hoppes  wrote:
So... how much of my data was compromised?

On 5/29/19 12:38 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
> Trina posted an hour ago
> 
> Late last week, an unauthorized third-party caused a network outage at 
> our web host, which has brought our website and related software 
> services to a halt since that time. The scale of that breach was 
> systemwide. Consequently, the host is working with federal authorities 
> and has shut down its servers to properly rectify the outage, as well as 
> to assure the operational integrity of all systems it serves before 
> going live again. Though the breach was beyond the control of WISPA and 
> its software provider, we apologize for any inconvenience this may have 
> caused you and will provide updates as more information becomes 
> available. Of course, if you have any business that needs urgent 
> attention, please contact WISPA staff directly 407-664-1644 or 
> adm...@wispa.org 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 9:37 AM Seth Mattinen  > wrote:
> 
>    On 5/29/19 08:29, Daniel White wrote:
>      > The hosting facility is having issues with viruses or something
>    is what
>      > I thought I saw on Facebook
> 
> 
>    Say what? Is this the wild west 90's of hosting?
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Re: [AFMUG] odd

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Maybe a function of another list site that aggragates mailing list.
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 Chuck McCown  wrote:
This email address:afmug-list-...@mailnesia.com Has subscribed to the list 
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Oh man they were trying to help the hospitality industry by filling the map 
with tropical weather coloration.
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They are a VAR not a WISP
 
  
 
Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
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From: AF  on behalf of Tim Hardy 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Monday, May 20, 2019 at 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR
 
  
 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-19-433A1.pdf
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Feliz Domingo 
On Sunday, April 21, 2019 Chuck McCown  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc

[Tim Withrow via AF]

sounds like a wonderful idea and run IPv8 with it.  It is bigly as Mr. Trump 
would say .
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
Why 5G?   The president wants 6G, you should do that.   Or maybe 9G, that 
sounds better.
Mark


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So has anyone here using the term 5G in their company name or marketing?  Would 
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Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Who are the principals now?  Are they prior employees?

 If I remember right  John was over sales. Also If I recollect  some employees 
went to work for CTI, and there was a squirmish over that with  prior mgmt.

The StrataPro line that was released right before they closed up shop I don't 
see it mentioned anywhere, just the Apex and Orion line. Was this just a 
proprietary information buy on the product.or did they just assume the 
bussiness operations?


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I guess it’s good to see Ray back, how many times has he been laid off and 
rehired now by Trango?  I wonder where he goes in the interim?  You’d think a 
more stable microwave company would hire him.

  

Any guess if “Z” is still in the picture?  If they sold off the assets, 
probably not?

  

  

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.

  

  

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:16 PM Daniel White  wrote:


Jim has too much Trango deployed in his network to let it disappear.  I don't 
see it going away anytime soon.

New products though... not sure what their R capabilities are now.

  

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Ryan Ray wrote on 3/4/19 22:10:




Interesting. Just a little hard to trust a company that already went down. Fool 
me once

  

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:58 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:


I did not expect this one.





Hello Adam,

Ray Sewell here. I wanted to let you know that Trango Systems sold off its 
assets to a new company. The new company is Trango Networks, LLC.  Trango 
Networks will continue manufacturing the Orion/Lynx series of licensed 
microwave radios and providing support for most of the other products.  We are 
also actively developing new products.  

We are going to manufacture the Orion series. We’ll start with the Apex Orion 
which is our all outdoor system that runs on -48 Vdc via POE or Direct DC 
power.  It supports 1 copper and 1 fiber Ethernet port.  It is also capable of 
XPIC (Cross Polarization Interference Cancellation), 8 MB programmable packet 
buffer, Multilayer header compression to increase capacity, ultra-low latency & 
jitter in all ACM modes, Very high power and 500 Mbps FDX throughput on a 56 
MHz channel.  Up to 761 Mbps FDX Layer 2 using Header Compression.  The split 
design Giga Orion will be shipping by May.  

Some of the qualities that make us stand out from the competition.

 

1) High Quality US designed and manufactured products

2) Factory Direct - no middleman.

3) Ultra-Fast lead times for products.  Much is in stock or less than 2-week 
lead time for common bands/antenna sizes.

4) Pre-sales support- Free Path analysis, frequency availability analysis.

5) One stop shop for accessories, licensing, coordination.

6) Link Configuration based on customer inputs at ship time with box labeling

7) Online support ticketing, live person tech support and engineer escalation 
for tough problems.

8) Fast RMA turn times (< 2weeks).

9) Free software upgrades and technical data via Trango Support portal

10) Competitive pricing and warranty.

 

Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

 

Sincerely,

 

Ray Sewell

Technical Sales Support

858-248-4010 Direct

www.gotrango.com


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Re: [AFMUG] Harris radios

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Just double checked with an insider at Harris and was told the radio division, 
not including radio station broadcast equipment, lives on through Aviat, since 
2009. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Harris radios

[Tim Withrow via AF]

 I am in town with Harris, they spun off/ divested quite a bit of those 
divisions to Aviat, Speedcast, Stratex, Caprock. They still build radios for 
mostly government systems  under their Govermnment Systems Division & rebuilds 
of  old systems.  You can contact Star microwave and see what they're actually 
still  selling under their name.

https://www.starmicrowave.com/product-harris/
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Re: [AFMUG] STL license frequencies

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Barix does coordination, application etc. 

They also have ip equipment  for forward and store or lost link(s) between 
studio and tower.

https://www.barix.com/

https://www.barix.com/downloads/downloads-software/studio-transmitter-link-stl-application/
On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 Tim Hardy  wrote:
Yes, any of the recognized major coordinators can help you.

Sent from my iPad
On Feb 12, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:


 
 Do you go through a frequency coordinator like you do with MG microwave?
 
 
 On 2/12/2019 8:21 PM, ja...@remotelylocated.com wrote:
  
 
 Typically they are 950mhz or so and yes licensed. 
 
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 On Feb 12, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
 
  
 I'm trying to help out a local radio station.  I've never dealt with this 
before, but aren't there licensed frequencies that a radio station can use for 
an STL connection?
 
 What type of frequency is that?  Is it terribly expensive?
 
 The particular radio station I'm trying to help out does not have clear LOS 
from the station to the tower, so I'm hoping it's VHF or some such.
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Lube for Backhaul O-rings?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

It's one of the things I usually forget but always have a vehicle near, so I 
just pulled the dipstick out and get some oil off it.
On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 Steve Jones  wrote:
Vaseline is what i use on my pool 
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 3:36 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Yeah. That was probably my brain aneurysm acting up. Probably conflated WD40 
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On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 12:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


I think you mean DC4 which is dielectric grease.  The chemical composition is 
probably similar to DC111 but it isn’t as stiff.  DC111 is basically a food 
grade lubricant for rubber valve rings.  I suspect that plumbers grease that 
you buy at a hardware store is similar stuff.  DC111 probably has silica added 
to make it thicker.

 

If you like the single use packets instead of 5 oz tubes, I think these are 
probably the same thing:

 

https://pilotshq.com/dow-corning-molykote-111-oringvalve-lubricant-6gm-dc111-6gm-p-18024.html

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lube for Backhaul O-rings?

 

I always used DC-40. I bought it at the airplane shop.




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On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:12 AM Jeremy  wrote:


Do you lube the O rings on your licensed antennas?  I have seen some where they 
didn't and the O ring cracks apart, potentially causing water ingress.  

 

Most of the big names include a small pack with the radio or dish.  I am 
struggling to find the exact product.  I have heard people say that you can 
just use Vaseline, but the Internet says the petroleum will eat the rubber o 
ring within about a year.  I see dielectric grease also being reported as being 
used, but it will supposedly also melt the rubber.  

 

Most are recommending Silicone Grease.  The only silicone grease that I can 
find locally is "100% pure Silicone Grease" that is "Spark Plug Boot Grease".  
I figure that spark plugs boots are also rubber so this is probably the stuff, 
but it is also listed as being dielectric, and it contains 
polydimethylsiloxane whatever that is.

 

Does anyone have any recommendations for what I should use to lube the O-Rings 
on my licensed backhauls when they do not include a tube of whatever they 
usually include??  Anyone have any stories about things that did not work out?

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Re: [AFMUG] Easements

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Front easements are a little harder as you need everybody to agree along the 
path to make it doable. 

There is always one or two that hold out for the best value, translation, the 
most money that they can get.

 For a no-fee easement, you're going to have to really add value to them for 
example provide them service at a discount or provide them service that they 
can't get elsewhere.
On Sunday, February 10, 2019 Mike Hammett  wrote:
#yiv6739600607 p {margin:0;}Have any of you pulled easements for your fiber 
instead of using the ROW? Thoughts? It seems like it may be easier to avoid 
other utilities if you've bought a 3' easement on the edge of someone's 
property instead of fighting over the same small space.

If we have an attorney prepare a boiler-plate easement agreement, any reason we 
can't just use that over and over, filing with the recorder's office?



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Re: [AFMUG] AT pricing makes no sense to me

[Tim Withrow via AF]

AT will become known as the overbuilder.
On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 Nate Burke  wrote:
 When Metronet first announced they were coming to North Aurora, the AT Army 
rolled in and deployed FTTH in like a summer.  The Massive Reel Trucks sweeping 
across subdivisions.  
 
 https://www.att.com/shop/internet/gigapower/coverage-map.html
 
 Interesting that the Cities with AT Fiber are also the cities that Metronet 
is building out.  
 
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Is that because of competition from MetroNet Fiber?  Or does AT have a 
different type of infrastructure there, not the UVerse platform?
 
  
   
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:21 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AT pricing makes no sense to me
   
  
  
Out in Yorkville, Oswego, etc. AT is doing a gig for not much more.
  

 
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange
 
 The Brothers WISP
 
 
 
 
 
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
 To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:10:03 PM
 Subject: [AFMUG] AT pricing makes no sense to me
 
I am scratching my head trying to figure out the attached AT Internet pricing.
 
 
 
First thing strikes me is how totally uncompetitive they are.  Where I live we 
also have cable companies WOW and Comcast, I’ve attached the WOW pricing.
 
 
 
Second is the price vs speed seems totally random, and why do they tell you how 
many devices each package can support.  What would a customer think looking at 
the AT pricing,  wouldn’t this just totally confuse them?  Or do people 
typically just call rather than trying to figure it out from the website?
 

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Re: [AFMUG] Redline?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

I would even take real world results with a grain of salt right now.
 I just have not been able to trust data from beta testers for any of the 
equipment manufacturers who are doing pre-sales and test equipment.

On Monday, January 28, 2019 Ben Royer  wrote:

Anyone using this yet? Real world not sales pitch.
 
Thank you,
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Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net
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Re: [AFMUG] the list

[Tim Withrow via AF]

We can't reveal taking turing tests it might relegate us to the old geezers 
group :)
On Saturday, January 26, 2019 Chuck McCown  wrote:
Well you do have to pass a basic Turing test to be accepted here. Unlike that 
clever robocall I got this week. 

Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 26, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Tim Withrow via AF  wrote:



Well. Unlike the members,will just call the list wackynunu, that's just bizarre 
and picky. Maybe it has an AI that someone is feeding  the markov bots and it's 
just come up with a disposition of its own to weed or eradicate what it 
decides.  :)


On Saturday, January 26, 2019 Adair Winter  wrote:

In some defense, I had to subscribe three times over about a two year period to 
finally get on the list
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

Maybe it should be more complicated... a sort of a test you need to pass to 
prove that you're good enough to be here! 
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 11:15 AM Robert Andrews  wrote:

Self moderating...

On 01/26/2019 09:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Cryptic...  hmmm  I guess you need to be able to master the cryptic 
> sign up process to be worthy to live here?
> *From:* Jason Wilson
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2019 9:56 AM
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> Remotely Located
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> On Jan 26, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
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>> Government shutdown.
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Re: [AFMUG] the list

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Well. Unlike the members,will just call the list wackynunu, that's just bizarre 
and picky. Maybe it has an AI that someone is feeding  the markov bots and it's 
just come up with a disposition of its own to weed or eradicate what it 
decides.  :)
On Saturday, January 26, 2019 Adair Winter  wrote:
In some defense, I had to subscribe three times over about a two year period to 
finally get on the list
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

Maybe it should be more complicated... a sort of a test you need to pass to 
prove that you're good enough to be here! 
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 11:15 AM Robert Andrews  wrote:

Self moderating...

On 01/26/2019 09:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Cryptic...  hmmm  I guess you need to be able to master the cryptic 
> sign up process to be worthy to live here?
> *From:* Jason Wilson
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2019 9:56 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the list
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> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
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> 530-748-9608 Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
>> Government shutdown.
>> --
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>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
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Re: [AFMUG] the list

[Tim Withrow via AF]

The group looks  like a diverse group of facebooking. I wish I had that type of 
time to socialize.
On Saturday, January 26, 2019 Mathew Howard  wrote:
Maybe it should be more complicated... a sort of a test you need to pass to 
prove that you're good enough to be here! 
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 11:15 AM Robert Andrews  wrote:

Self moderating...

On 01/26/2019 09:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Cryptic...  hmmm  I guess you need to be able to master the cryptic 
> sign up process to be worthy to live here?
> *From:* Jason Wilson
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2019 9:56 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the list
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> On Jan 26, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
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>> Government shutdown.
>> --
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>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
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Re: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

I thought people only use those to start the fireplace now
On Thursday, January 24, 2019 Sean Heskett  wrote:
waste of money.
spend the $100/mo on boosting a facebook post and you'll get WAY more new subs 
than you would get in a whole year or two of phone book ads.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 3:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


Anybody here still using ads in the print Yellow Pages?  If yes, do you have 
any metrics to say if they are working?

 

Our ad in 2 yellow books is up for renewal, I think it’s only about $100 per 
month total, so it would be worth it if we got maybe 1-2 new customers per 
year.  But as far as I can tell, we haven’t gotten a lead that way in years.  
About half the area covered by the 2 books is outside our WISP coverage, and I 
used to get the people all angry why do you advertise in my yellow book if you 
don’t have service here?  That hasn’t happened in a long time, which is one 
indicator for me that nobody uses the YP books anymore.  We do get leads from 
the free “shopper” paper they throw on driveways (or maybe they mail them, I’m 
not sure).

 

Also, Dex Media annoys me with their billing and renewal practices, so why send 
them money if it isn’t working.
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Re: [AFMUG] Is there a term for accessing an IRU in the middle?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Most describe it as breaking  into it, or opening it midspan
On Thursday, January 24, 2019 Chris Fabien  wrote:
"Access to strands at any existing splice point or slack storage"
Expect to pay for their splicer to come do the splices for you. 
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 1:16 PM Erich Kaiser  wrote:

They already have a closure there, so I think it's already been ring 
cut.  Just need them to add a pigtail in the middle.

.I think I just answered my own question.  Thanks..



On 1/24/2019 1:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Ring cut?
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January 
> 24, 2019 10:48 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Is there a term 
> for accessing an IRU in the middle?
> I want to request an IRU where we pigtail out of one of their splice 
> cases somewhere in between the A and Z end.
>
> I want to stick an OADM in the middle to serve just one or two 
> properties that happen to lie in the middle of the run.  So I'll need 
> them to cut their two fibers, splice 4 times into a pigtail that goes 
> to my enclosure.  In my closure I loop those fibers through the East 
> and West ends of a MUX.
>
> Is there a term I should use for this so I sound like I know what I'm 
> asking for?
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Re: [AFMUG] Propane Tank Remote Level Monitoring

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Most of the propane company's offer remote monitoring. 
On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 Jesse DuPont  wrote:
 What solutions exist to monitor propane tank levels remotely? I've got an 
off-grid site with three 100 gallon tanks. The propane guy setup the manifold 
such that the tanks should drain sequentially, but I'd like to monitoring/chart 
them remotely. Each tank has a R3D gauge, but not sure what sensor to plug into 
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Re: [AFMUG] 2019

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Yes.  I like it.  

It's about as popular to me as the multitudes of Post-it notes I have lingering 
around me. 
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 Chuck McCown  wrote:
I still prefer this email list to all of FB.   From: Colin Stanners Sent: 
Monday, December 31, 2018 9:57 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: 
Re: [AFMUG] 2019 I'm on a vacation overseas and just now waking up from a 
crzy new year's party... (it's nice to have great help that is monitoring 
the network for me.)  Thanks for everyone on AFMUG for being such an 
insightful, friendly, helpful and hard-working community. Between the 
conferences in SLC years ago and this mailing list, the extensive information 
and experience here have helped so many people advance their wireless and 
fiber-related projects/businesses, it's great. Let's keep on walking forward 
together into 2019.

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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual fiber

[Tim Withrow via AF]

"virtual fiber works by using wireless signals to connect customers to the 
internet."

"Though the technology FiberXstream uses is available to the mass market"

Sounds like someone has great ambitions and has got overzealous with marketing 
rhetoric for a wireless network.
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 TJ Trout  wrote:
Anyone know what virtual fiber is and why it's harder to deploy than 
traditional fiber?? 藍藍
https://tdn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/tdn.com/news/local/homegrown-internet-provider-brings-castle-rock-area-out-of-dark/article_d3d8dc39-f1e8-5b19-8735-efd262fcdc2d.amp.html?amp_js_v=a2_gsa=1=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com_tf=From%20%251%24s=https%3A%2F%2Ftdn.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fhomegrown-internet-provider-brings-castle-rock-area-out-of-dark%2Farticle_d3d8dc39-f1e8-5b19-8735-efd262fcdc2d.html
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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Yes, you are right. I had to go look back at the original bill. The 500 bucks 
is a one time setup fee for however many statics ip's you require for your 
various  byod, like cradlepoints or Verizon's devices. There is no recurring 
charges for ip's thereafter. 

Also you could use a VPN and port forward to get around no static ip issue. If 
it's only one device that seems the most practical route.
On Thursday, December 27, 2018 Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:
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Tim,

All I have found for an option through Verizon was a 500 dollar one time setup 
charge through their business sales team to setup the static and then a monthly 
charge of around 50$. 

ATT has a new business plan for 55$ a month comes with a static and 3mbps 
download “unlimited”.

How did you go about getting the 4$ static from Verizon? Was it a business 
account or a personal?

  

Thanks,

Brandon

  

  

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Withrow via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 6:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?

  

Verizon has static IP's for about 4 bucks month for the hotspots.

On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 12/26/18 09:39, Trey Scarborough wrote:
> I use a combination of VZ,T-mobile, and ATT service and use a Mikrotik 
> with LTE card have that LTE connection call back in to a vpn server in a 
> datacenter. Getting the service from them can be difficult i usually use 
> a MVNO like ting or freedompop and set them up o the cheapest plans. 
> Direct just tell them its for an android tablet or laptop they are not 
> as particular if you set up a business account and/or go through a 
> reseller.


I haven't had a problem with getting SIM cards from VZ for devices. I 
usually just take whatever it is to a store and say "I need a SIM for 
this thing". They mull around a bit longer than if you brought them a 
phone but that's about it.

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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon hotspot - for access to towersite?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Verizon has static IP's for about 4 bucks month for the hotspots.
On Wednesday, December 26, 2018 Seth Mattinen  wrote:
On 12/26/18 09:39, Trey Scarborough wrote:
> I use a combination of VZ,T-mobile, and ATT service and use a Mikrotik 
> with LTE card have that LTE connection call back in to a vpn server in a 
> datacenter. Getting the service from them can be difficult i usually use 
> a MVNO like ting or freedompop and set them up o the cheapest plans. 
> Direct just tell them its for an android tablet or laptop they are not 
> as particular if you set up a business account and/or go through a 
> reseller.


I haven't had a problem with getting SIM cards from VZ for devices. I 
usually just take whatever it is to a store and say "I need a SIM for 
this thing". They mull around a bit longer than if you brought them a 
phone but that's about it.

~Seth

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Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Well then at least let me extend a thank you to you for the effort to  keep the 
list going. 
On Monday, December 24, 2018 Chuck McCown  wrote:
Not needed. I moved it to a mailman server company. The cost is modest.

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On Dec 24, 2018, at 7:27 PM, Tim Withrow via AF  wrote:





Who's in charge of the afmug list now to send support money to?
I know it changed sometime back this spring but I can't find the actual post.


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[AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Who's in charge of the afmug list now to send support money to?
I know it changed sometime back this spring but I can't find the actual post.
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[AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Who's in charge of the afmug list now to send support money to?
I know it changed sometime back this spring but I can't find the actual post.



On Monday, December 24, 2018 Chuck McCown  wrote:

Missing a football being thrown at a meatball and pizza. Missing the Lone 
Ranger story. At least I can hear Darlene Love any time I want.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cloudflare Portal

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Looks like there continuing to do more great things and be the doll we all 
adore.



On Monday, October 22, 2018 Mike Hammett  wrote:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-peering-portal-beta/



Check it out.



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP




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Re: [AFMUG] neobits

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Someone is still posting ads on their tigerdirect Twitter feed for their items 
for sale. May be an automated bot. 
https://mobile.twitter.com/TigerDirect?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor


 



On Saturday, September 29, 2018 Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Tiger Direct is gone?  That was my favorite source for surge strips (we need 
them sometimes at customer installs).  I’m talking about mail order, not their 
outlet store by Aurora.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 9:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] neobits

 

newegg killed tigerdirect, then went to crap irritates me. I got a tax id 
for tiger direct to get the better pricing, then they went down and illinois 
ket sending me 0 dollar bills and percentage penalties of 0 dollars. i ended up 
having to send the state a zero dollar check over it

 

 

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 7:01 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 9/29/18 4:44 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Theyre a glorified ebay store. tried to be newegg and failed. have 
> suspiciously low prices and pay an SEO well to get in results


Newegg feels like they are/were trying to become Amazon when they 
started added all kinds of random shit to sell. I liked them better when 
it was just computer stuff.

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Re: [AFMUG] Wire pulling lube

[Tim Withrow via AF]

You should be able to source pulling lube from an electrical supplier. 20+ 
bucks a gallon gets expensive fast with the ideal lube,if a small job it may be 
all you need, but this seems not the case.




On Sunday, September 16, 2018 Jason McKemie  wrote:

I have about 350' of 2" conduit that already has a .75" diameter cable 
installed, to which I need to add a flat drop cable. I've been trying to get a 
fiberglass pull rod to go through, but am getting hung up around 230' going 
from either end, probably due to friction with the other cable. I'm considering 
using something like Ideal cable lube to get the extra distance, does this 
stuff thicken up and turn to glue after a while? Anything else I should be 
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Re: [AFMUG] Wire pulling lube

[Tim Withrow via AF]

You should be able to spice oukking lube from an electrical supplier. 20+ bucks 
a gallon gets expensive fast with the ideal lube,if a small job it may be all 
you need, but this seems not the case.



On Sunday, September 16, 2018 Jason McKemie  wrote:

I have about 350' of 2" conduit that already has a .75" diameter cable 
installed, to which I need to add a flat drop cable. I've been trying to get a 
fiberglass pull rod to go through, but am getting hung up around 230' going 
from either end, probably due to friction with the other cable. I'm considering 
using something like Ideal cable lube to get the extra distance, does this 
stuff thicken up and turn to glue after a while? Anything else I should be 
trying? 

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