Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit

[justsumname]

an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election.
 it's a coup.
Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every
voter the same, it's not an "election".
Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is
intolerable.

hereistheevidence.com   --- in case you dare open your mind to truth

Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie
plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message.

All that is left is communism or war.   That was the plan all along and
only 'crazy' people  -- and people who escaped communist societies to come
warn us -- saw it or believed in it.

I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End:

“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the
purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to
inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to
reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are
being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to
repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of
probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil
oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even
destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if
you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended
to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple

You arrogant asses, you've killed us!
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev
>> predicted it... Trump enabled it.
>>
>> Go ahead and get off this list
>> Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans...
>> This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said it
>> was going to be wild ...
>> So fuck them to hell.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it,
>>> unlike during the biden obama administration when he didnt demand the same.
>>> god this is funny. sad they havent shot more of these mopes today and
>>> historically
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 WTF...third world country tactics...
 Insurrection...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[justsumname]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBdfxJdlvcE

It is getting interesting, and this election thing is still far from over.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> lol, they just elected a guy president with the same cruelty, so thats not
> really much of a thing anymore
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:43 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> It’s cruel of people to keep putting Rudy in the public eye when clearly
>> he’s not all there anymore, I don’t know if it’s dementia or what, but he
>> needs to be sitting on a porch somewhere playing checkers, not making a
>> fool of himself for the world to see.  Of course he’s always been a little
>> off, look at his marriage history.  I assume since he was a lawyer and
>> mayor he wasn’t always like this.  Or maybe he was.  Again, the marriage
>> history.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:46 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>>
>>
>>
>> I dont know what happened to that guy. hopefully when this is said and
>> done we go the way of canada on electronic voting.  then we put cameras
>> recording the count tables. Golden and no need for recounts or weird people
>> like this team of lunatics having crazy press conferences. I think the
>> media sent their interns instead of reporters
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 12:35 PM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Guliani told me I could Google Dominion and find out that it's owned by
>> Venezuelans.  My Google seems to work differently from his.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/19/2020 1:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> jesus christ this broad just referred to themselves as an "elite
>> strikeforce team"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 12:00 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Sorry Steve. You lost me at the bakery.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 11/19/2020 9:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> While id like my guy to come out on top magically, this press conference
>> presents more like a bad SNL skit
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

[justsumname]

Insisting that State and Federal laws be followed in the election is NOT
'undermining' the country.   Just the opposite.
Firing people who are sympathetic to the radicals is NOT 'undermining' the
country.   Just the opposite.
Polar-opposite worlds.   I just don't get it.   Anyone here know what
'communism' looks like before it fully shows up?   NOT the Trump side ...

Ya know... it was BIDEN in the first debate who said he would accept the
election after all states were certified..

If Biden wins -- legally and properly -- then so be it.   Everyone should
desire transparency and legality, 100% of the way.   Especially nowadays.

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:26 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Morons can say what they will, because that's what they do, like trained
> monkeys. "Orange man bad", good little trainee.
> I can tell you this, they gave my dad his first dose of remdesivere
> tonite, you can rest assured, podunk Illinois wouldnt be giving podunk 78
> year old man a medication like that as a first line med if the scamdemic
> hadn't been handled like a boss. See pandemic is pandemic, there is no such
> thing as "handling it right" l anybody who says there is is a part of the
> above mentioned group of morons.
>
> 50 50 if the old man comes home. But my orange "buffoon" opened a door
> that got his odds up from the original 80 percent coffin rate.
>
> That's what I laugh at "orange man bad" idiots that spout their hypocrisy,
> bigotry and generally retarded tripe.
>
> Rotflmao, however some more cliches... the change my mind
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:27 PM Chuck Macenski  wrote:
>
>> If Trump were trying to undermine the United States, what would he be
>> doing differently?
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:14 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Having the DOJ chase down military people who vote out of state for
>>> years because of normal military transfers ( 3K so far in NV ) which has
>>> been the normal state of affairs for over 70 years and characterize that as
>>> voter fraud is going a little bit too far in my book.  I still am hoping
>>> that he is going after that more about raising money than actually thinking
>>> he can corrupt the belief in the voting system.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/20 7:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t agree at all.  Trump got elected because more than half the
>>> country really really really disliked Hillary.
>>>
>>> Really really really disliked Hillary.
>>>
>>> I don’t know of anyone that voted for Trump because they liked him.
>>> Everyone I know thought he was an ass hat from the get go.
>>>
>>> Second, you all have seen, first hand, for 4 years how little a
>>> president can actually do to harm a country.  Not much.  He didn’t start
>>> any wars so that is about the most damaging thing he can do.  He didn’t act
>>> on the virus properly but lots of countries fall into the same category.
>>> He embarrassed us on the world stage.  That is about it.  Congress can
>>> affect us.  Presidents not so much.
>>>
>>> We have always had nationalists here.  It is part of the culture.  Some
>>> call it patriotism. I don’t think it is bad.  I am not a globalist.  I
>>> support our country and our national interests above other nations.  Part
>>> of rooting for the home team.  Being a patriot is a far stretch from
>>> dictatorship.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:01 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>
>>> The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist
>>> xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you
>>> will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe...
>>> The proof is overwhelming...
>>> Prove me wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I cant take credit on that one

 Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for
 anything other than a campaign is illegal.
 I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said
 and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be
 no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat.

 https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence

 Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what
 happens if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new
 potus, apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do
 with aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a
 position to be president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time
 but it sounded good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over
 twice in a concerted effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good
 chance of beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat off. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

[justsumname]

had to use it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
>>>
>>> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.
>>> That way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning. I
>>> remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or so.
>>> Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick
>>> or hang on a corner.
>>>
>>> For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you
>>> fill in the square or the circle.
>>>
>>> I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade.
>>> When I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the
>>> kitchen counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were
>>> running errands in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it
>>> that) took less than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of
>>> dozens of drop boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop
>>> boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000
>>> people.
>>>
>>> Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee
>>> ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November 3,
>>> but for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until
>>> after the day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about
>>> 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's
>>> cushion.
>>>
>>> I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards.
>>> Perhaps it would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other hand,
>>> there would be a lot less confusion when the time for voting comes around.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.  It’s a
>>> Maxwell’s Demon approach.  Open the door when it helps me, close the door
>>> when it helps the other guy.
>>>
>>> That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore,
>>> the Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties
>>> where they thought it would help them.  But also the votes had already been
>>> counted (and recounted).  And there was the original Florida Man, some guy
>>> named Hanging Chad?  And the phone call and the retraction.
>>>
>>> Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed.  That does
>>> not bode well for half the country moving on from this election.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>
>>> In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a
>>> decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:
>>>
>>> The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't
>>> really gotten started yet.
>>>
>>> Judges don't hold court on the weekends.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes good movie.
>>>
>>> More akin to today is Seven Days in May

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

[justsumname]

The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't really
gotten started yet.
Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

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On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yes good movie.
> More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties,
>> which came soon enough.
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
>>
>>
>>
>> Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set
>> in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and
>> deciding who to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart
>> the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old
>> fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best educated person to
>> Washington to represent you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great
>> esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume
>> everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he
>> shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart,
>> John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John
>> Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>
>>
>>
>> The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power
>> as Rhode Island.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral
>> College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of
>> a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing
>> with decisions we made about slaves.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> We have spoken.
>>
>>
>>
>> Righteous Indignation
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

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What do I know... but it seems to me that people are somehow finding a way
to have food and their needs met and even some of their wants satisfied
without working anywhere.
I call it The Welfare State.   Cuz I doubt they are lottery winners.
Parents or government or ??... someone is 'providing' it...
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On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 11:52 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> It’s probably not the reason, but if I peruse the job listings for
> WISP/FISP field techs / installers, the pay offered is often crap.
>
>
>
> I’m impressed that many of them accurately state the job requirements
> (many job ads have vague nonsense for a job description), but then they
> offer something like $12/hour and want people to work 8-6 and half a day
> Saturday or something.  Some have benefits and the possibility of pay
> increases and rising within the company, but employees today probably don’t
> think about a career with the company and rising through the ranks.  Plus
> you can get all that at Walmart and just work a cash register or stock
> shelves.
>
>
>
> Another thing perhaps is that many young people today don’t seem to have a
> biological clock conducive to a work day that starts at 8:00.  Most
> construction jobs actually start at 7:00 on site (because noise ordinances
> don’t let you start any earlier), good luck getting a 20 year old to show
> up at 7:00 ready to work.  Used to be you had to do that, nobody cared if
> you weren’t a morning person.  But then you got all the gig jobs where you
> just sign into the app whenever you wanted to work.  And the retail and
> food service jobs that abused young workers by giving them different
> schedules every day and every week and not giving them a full 40 hours, and
> the kids got used to it and maybe actually started to like it.  The idea
> that you work 9-5 because the man says so, is kind of obsolete in 2020.
> Employment probably looks less like a career and more like a la carte or
> day labor.  I think I’ll work today.  Or maybe not.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I dont understand this shit. I cant say much, I worked a full shift at a
> hardee's once as a second job and never showed back up, I regret it to this
> day.
>
> I think the prospect of the extra 2400 bucks a month unemployment is
> what's driving it. Theres gonna be a back pay rider on the "stimulus"
> package. I've considered asking the boss to "fire" me and cash may me half
> my salary in the mean time. While I work a second cash job at a bar. I'd
> pay off my debt in no time
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 2:49 PM  wrote:
>
> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will
> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also
> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
> showing up.
>
>
>
> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>
>
>
> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be
> making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Twinkies do go bad

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whew now the world can end.   I'm ready.
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 10:46 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>
> https://www.npr.org/2020/10/15/923411578/a-disturbing-twinkie-that-has-so-far-defied-science
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

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Lay off the 'white republican' thing . that is a bullshit, false
equivalency statement that is easily disproven.
But I can forgive you for making that statement because I don't try to
argue with peoples' experiences...
...just their conclusions.

I do not understand how people survive without money.   When I don't have
money, I go hungry.   I must be doing 'life' wrong or something.
I'm not in WISP anymore, but I feel very bad for you guys that are still
grinding away to make it work with the shittiest of employees.   Good for
you ... some of you have become quite rich and I'm happy for you ( I don't
spend much emotional energy on 'envy' )

Personally, I can't stand working with people who can't communicate
regardless of their racial background.
But maybe that is some 'white privilege' that I can believe in:   somehow
those people are surviving life with no money  (or job).
I was not offended by McCown's statement but I was by yours because it was
snide.   And stupid.
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:17 PM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to the
> US, because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and work
> harder for less money.
>
> Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money
> because honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of money,
> have great benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while taking
> their sweet time.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>> numbers or anything.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>
>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
 So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
 first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
 places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
 to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.

 Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
 actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
 he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find
 people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
 interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then a
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: some good news!

[justsumname]

Just pointing out that this blockchain project, and its token, are really
making some moves.
One reason I posted here about this months agoI suspected many of you
guys would find the product very compelling.
The software has matured quite a bit since then, they still call it 'beta',
but it's working and the internet-developer-crowd is discovering the
project and are frankly getting pretty excited about it.

Price-wise, the Sia token 'sc' is breaking away from price-dependence upon
BTC, and, volume-wise, there are a lot of new buyers.

To utilize their "Internet 2.0 / Skynet", you have to deal in their token.
 SEC has already audited the Sia project and they left the 'SC" token
untouched.   It's not a 'coin' that's trying to compete with government
currency.

The Sia project has not spent much money, if any, on marketing.   They are
preferring to let their thing grow 'organically' so to speak.   Which
means, there isn't a nice polished User Guide just yet...just for one
example.   But "devs" and development-savvy content creators are already
using their product and are developing their own apps for the Sia Internet
ecosystem (that's what I call it anyway).There is a website of course,
but most of what I know about this project I glean from their Discord
channel.

Even if you don't buy anything, you might want to put this on your radar
screen.   This could be a really big thing someday... something like
building the WWW upon the original Internet... but probably bigger.

Back in 2010, I read you guys' with your bitcoin mining and all that, and I
did nothing.   Clearly, that was a bad move for me.   And I didn't buy
Cisco or Dell in 1996 either

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On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 8:47 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Wow.. cool.  While I like the whole blockchain concept,  its decentralized
> and an uncontrolled medium there still is one overwhelming problem.  The
> key.  Not to mention as much as we think it won't be cracked,  it will be.
> Eventually technology will catch up with processing fast enough to crack
> it.  Quantum computers,  heck even  dna based computers can start to make
> their appearance in society making the currency unsafe to use.  Bitcoin is
> only as strong as the mysterious person who has the original key ( *Satoshi
> Nakamoto* ) (Who the NSA has admitted they've identified via online
> signature or may even have been NSA!).  Whoever has that key can decrypt
> anything.
>
> Therefore while having blockchain part of a cloud storage is really cool.
> It ultimately will not be as secure as you think.  Its more secure than
> what is out there already! But I'm still hoping they develop some new form
> of blockchain that is a bit more evolved.
>
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> Network Operations Manager
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> http://www.wavedirect.net
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>
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> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:12:37 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: some good news!
>
>
> If you are skeptical of 'cryptocurrencies' ( like I am ) but find
> blockchain technology very compelling ( like I do ), then you might find
> this interesting.
> No I don't work for the company.Yes I own some of their 'coin'.
> (which is more like a utility token and not much like a currency)
>
> Siacoin is not a cryptocurrency in the pop-culture-get-rich-quick sense,
> but all blockchains have a token.   If you want to buy storage space on
> their cloud storage system, you need siacoins, the Sia token.
>
>
> https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=twitter+siacoin=web=opensearch=english
>
> Many questions have been asked and answered.   Over and over.
>
> This is a functioning 'crypto' -coin with a real use case and will never
> be squashed by any govt because it does not compete with any govt.
> Very impressed with this gang of developers.
>
> We can go back to COVID-19 is gonna kill us all.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[justsumname]

Govt is highly effective at incentivizing behavior and can be effective at
disincentivizing behavior.


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:19 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I thought the only time Government was competent was when it was involving
> conspiracy?
>
> IRS looses 1 laptop and millions of peoples data is in the wild, "Gov't
> leaks data like a sieve"
>
> 1000's of people in and out of Area51, and not a single picture of the
> aliens?  "Gov't has been covering it up for 60 years"
>
> On 8/5/2020 2:42 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants
> exceed 5 or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6
> thousand hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows
> how many people involved at each hospital.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
>
> There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be
> as awful as they can almost justify them to be.
>
> My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps
> going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he
> still count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about
> the people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got
> it', too.
>
> Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead
> people, the better.
> --
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite
>> OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big
>> deal go ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded
>> of my observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it
>> a lot better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school
>> reopening in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is
>> just social media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age
>> the peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over
>> the place, we have an experiment going on and may not like the results.
>> Maybe we will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far,
>> magical thinking hasn’t worked out so good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>> Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> But there should be a E ticket for the special people...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential
>> workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some
>> arguing young people should get it because they have more years ahead of
>> them, basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting
>> like idiots, maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus
>> doesn’t get them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have
>> enjoyed their short lives, with all the partying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Grumble, grumble.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>>  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9%
>> positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a
>> majority of new cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and
>> partying.
>>
>> On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels
>> the only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and
>> Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean anything.
>>
>> Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but
>> 4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positi

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[justsumname]

The CARES Act provides financial incentive.   Everything I said is factual,
public information.   Bergman asked about an incentive.   The Answer is Yes.

I had no idea I would feel this great just by eating better.
--

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Conspiracy theories lose credibility when the number of participants
> exceed 5 or 10 people. You're talking about a conspiracy involving 5 or 6
> thousand hospitals in 50 states (plus all the territories), with who knows
> how many people involved at each hospital.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/5/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname wrote:
>
> There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be
> as awful as they can almost justify them to be.
>
> My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps
> going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he
> still count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about
> the people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got
> it', too.
>
> Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead
> people, the better.
> --
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite
>> OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big
>> deal go ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded
>> of my observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it
>> a lot better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school
>> reopening in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is
>> just social media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age
>> the peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over
>> the place, we have an experiment going on and may not like the results.
>> Maybe we will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far,
>> magical thinking hasn’t worked out so good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> But there should be a E ticket for the special people...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential
>> workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some
>> arguing young people should get it because they have more years ahead of
>> them, basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting
>> like idiots, maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus
>> doesn’t get them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have
>> enjoyed their short lives, with all the partying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Grumble, grumble.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>>
>>
>>
>> Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9%
>> positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a
>> majority of new cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and
>> partying.
>>
>> On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels
>> the only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and
>> Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean anything.
>>
>> Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but
>> 4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago.  I think
>> some of the 'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.
>>
>>
>> On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[justsumname]

There is plenty of financial and political incentive for the numbers to be
as awful as they can almost justify them to be.

My governor publishes a report every day.   The number in my county keeps
going up, never down.   So the same guy who got it early and died, does he
still count?   How about the ones who got it and 'recovered' ?   What about
the people who tested only for the antibody?   I guess they count as 'got
it', too.

Anything goes, no honesty or transparency required.   And the more dead
people, the better.
--


On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I see young kids in places like stores wearing masks and they seem quite
> OK with it, like having a backpack or a hat, this is what we do, no big
> deal go ahead and play or shop or whatever we are here for.  I am reminded
> of my observation that people who need glasses from a young age tolerate it
> a lot better than those of us who don’t need glasses until we turn 50.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, there are some photos circulating of high school
> reopening in states like Georgia that are quite frightening, I hope this is
> just social media taking things out of context.  I understand at that age
> the peer pressure to not be uncool, but if this is really going on all over
> the place, we have an experiment going on and may not like the results.
> Maybe we will discover that teenagers don’t transmit the virus, but so far,
> magical thinking hasn’t worked out so good.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:41 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
>
>
> But there should be a E ticket for the special people...
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
>
>
> I say treat it like triage. Healthcare workers first, then essential
> workers, then people in assisted care and prisons.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 8/5/2020 8:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I see these articles debating who should get a vaccine first, some arguing
> young people should get it because they have more years ahead of them,
> basically let the old people die.  But if young people keep acting like
> idiots, maybe they don’t have that many years after all.  If the virus
> doesn’t get them, some other stupid stunt will.  Plus they will have
> enjoyed their short lives, with all the partying.
>
>
>
> Grumble, grumble.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
>
>
> Illinois 7 day positive results average went from 4% positive to 3.9%
> positive yesterday.  So I guess that's good news.  But reports are a
> majority of new cases are from college age kids coming back to campuses and
> partying.
>
> On 8/4/2020 10:57 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels the
> only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and
> Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean anything.
>
> Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but
> 4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago.  I think
> some of the 'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.
>
>
> On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:25 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
>
>
> I think the most important chart is deaths per population
>
>
>
> *Gino* *Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
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> *From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  on
> behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> 
> *Date: *Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 10:57 AM
> *To: *mailto:af@af.afmug.com  mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
>
>
> Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

[justsumname]

that's probably totally made up smear ... like that "russian dossier".
 Clearly Donald Trump is no idiot.
More likely, a large number of people just don't 'get' what's going down in
America, and has been, for decades.
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 5:02 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Gen. John E. Hyten, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called
> Trump 'an Idiot' and Said Melania Was 'Inquisitive & Smarter' Than Him
>
>
> https://people.com/politics/top-pentagon-official-once-called-donald-trump-an-idiot-report/
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/30/2020 1:53 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> I call it as I see it
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 1:35 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> This is not any more classy than people calling Michelle Obama an ape.
>>
>> If anything Melania is a victim of circumstance.  "First Lady" is
>> probably not the job she signed up for.
>>
>>
>> On 7/30/2020 1:22 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> What's the difference between a Rolls Royce and Melania?
>> Not everyone has been inside a Rolls-Royce...sas
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 11:07 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> The pimp just does not do anything for me.  Now the hooker on the other
>>> hand...
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:25 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>>>
>>> I have tons more
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 10:23 AM  wrote:
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age

[justsumname]

yeah wow that dude was a dick and not very bright

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:08 PM  wrote:

> The moral of the story is to be slow to hire and quick to fire.
> Life is too short to put with a PITA employee.
> And in the end you may be doing them a favor by firing them.
>
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 1:41 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age
>
>
> Come on now Chuck.  This is very clearly all your fault for not getting a
> bunch of extra keys.  He shouldn’t have had to worry about returning a key
> after he used that truck.  They should be disposable.  How can you expect
> anyone to have a good work ethic or attitude if you don’t provide them with
> disposable keys and their choice of anywhere on your property to park?
>
>
>
> (sarcasm off now.  In case it wasn’t painfully obvious that it was on…..)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 2:29 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age
>
>
>
> People...I hate them.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:59 PM  wrote:
>
> This is what I do now every time we fire someone.
>
>
>
> They always apply for benefits it seems.  There is always a hearing.
>
> We win the hearings but it is a PITA...
>
>
>
> After this I went out and appologized to the crew that witnessed it.  It
> has been years since I lost my cool like that.  They were all seemingly
> delighted that the guy is now gone.
>
> In all my years of firing people, many dozens, perhaps as many as 100,
> only 1 was a situation where I regretted it afterwards.  The guy was
> following along with some dishonest activity by a coworker and did not
> stand up to him.  He truly did not deserve to lose his job.  All the rest
> of them I typically say to myself afterwards: “should have done this long
> ago”.
>
>
>
> Also, batting  for having formal disciplinary meetings result in a
> permanent change of behavior.  I guess we do them for evidence in the
> certain to be unemployment benefits hearing...
>
>
>
> (BTW, the the tale below, this was a truck we bought at Richie Brothers a
> couple of weeks ago and had not yet got a duplicate key made).
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:36 AM
>
> *To:*
>
> *Subject:* xxx
>
>
>
> Put this in xxx personnel file.
>
>
>
> Thursday last week a company truck was parked here at the company by xxx.
> He did not put the key back in the key box.  It is the only key we had for
> that truck and that truck is a critical vehicle.
>
>
>
> This morning (7/13/2020) a group of employees were out on the back lot
> working on a project and I walked up and asked them who was last to drive
> the red truck.  They indicated it was xxx.  I asked where the key was, he
> was very non committal.  Essentially shrugging his shoulders.  I told him
> that it must be between the truck and the office key box, did he walk that
> route and look for it.  Nope, he said, he went and did some other things
> after parking the truck.  I asked him if he went to those other areas and
> looked for the key. Nope...  Didn’t seem to care.  Had a defiant attitude.
>
>
>
> So I said that in times like these, an owner of the equipment is always
> happy to hear, “hey chuck, sorry, I f**ked up”.  That was met with no
> response.
>
> I repeated it a second and third time.  I started laughing and turned to
> his supervisor.  His supervisor xxx said “hey dude, you need to say those
> words to Chuck”.  xxx mumbled some semblance of the phrase but immediately
> followed it with an energetic “you didn’t apologize to me for putting the
> orange drums against my truck”.
>
>
>
> xxx, from day 1 parked first in the bookkeeper’s parking stall, we asked
> him to park out with the other employees.  He then parked in our loading
> dock blocking us from using it.  We had a talk about that.  He finally
> parked with the rest of the employees but on the edge of a drive forcing
> everyone to swing wide around his truck and preventing us from taking
> larger trucks in that parking lot.  I put up some orange construction
> barrels to block off the area where I didn’t want any one to park.  That
> was OK for a day or two but then I came to work and the barrels were in the
> dirt and xxx had parked on the far end again.
>
>
>
> I put the barrels in front and to the side of his truck and called his
> supervisor to have him inform xxx that that corner of the parking lot is a
> no park area.
>
>
>
> So this morning when xxx defiantly proclaimed that he was owed an apology
> I lost my cool, I told him that it was my parking lot and I could do what I
> wanted.  That in the future he could leave his truck at home and catch a
> ride with someone else.  I also said that he may have just lost his job.
>
>
>
> I came back to the office to cool off.  Called a manager (xxx at 10:20 am)
> 

Re: [AFMUG] American Girl Karen doll

[justsumname]

I thought "Karen" was the person who screeches in your face about not
wearing a mask ...

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[AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

[justsumname .]

is it just the 'news' that I'm reading or are things really going totally
bathshitcrazy ?!? "de-fund the police"  is just ONE thing.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[justsumname .]

I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science.
No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how
> they acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they
> aren't allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the
> data can't be verified, therefore not adequate for science.
>
> Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil
> scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how
> often does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about
> that"?  How often does anyone do that?
>
>
> On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:
>
>
> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social
>
>
> ... I just can't believe it!
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[AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[justsumname .]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social


... I just can't believe it!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New and improved glitter bomb

[justsumname .]

should subscribe to the dude  and watch his defensive system against
the squirrels stealing his bird seed

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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_TSR_v07m0
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

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That lawsuit is the kind of stuff that makes me say things  like:   "we are
too stupid to have a country".
I am dreading the court order which will come from that.
No one is responsible for themselves; everyone is responsible for everyone
else.

Many years ago I decided that the most politically correct way to live and
stay safe was to stay the hell away from 'everyone', especially the govt.
Fortunately, I have largely been able to do it that way.   But that kind of
issue has the potential to suck us all into the same black hole.



On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:50 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> And so it begins.
>
>
>
> https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/coronavirus-jbs-meat-plant-pennsylvania-death-lawsuit
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2020, at 10:43 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Only for ugly people.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 10, 2020, at 7:59 PM, James Howard  wrote:
>
> 
>
> There are 2 separate issues. Having the government tell everyone they must
> wear a mask is one thing.  A business requiring customers wear a mask to
> enter their store is another.  The second actually correlates to your
> example and is certainly the right of any business to put certain
> requirements on using their facility (within lawful limits of course).  If
> people don’t want to abide by their requirements, they are free to go
> somewhere else or stay home if no one will let them in their place of
> business.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, I assume that it will eventually come before the
> Supreme Court to decide if it is a violation of some “right” or other to be
> told that everyone is required to wear a mask in public.
>
>
>
>
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
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>
> To those saying "why should I have to wear a mask when in public" do
> you also complain about "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service"?
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[AFMUG] OT: some good news!

[justsumname .]

If you are skeptical of 'cryptocurrencies' ( like I am ) but find
blockchain technology very compelling ( like I do ), then you might find
this interesting.
No I don't work for the company.Yes I own some of their 'coin'.
(which is more like a utility token and not much like a currency)

Siacoin is not a cryptocurrency in the pop-culture-get-rich-quick sense,
but all blockchains have a token.   If you want to buy storage space on
their cloud storage system, you need siacoins, the Sia token.

https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=twitter+siacoin=web=opensearch=english

Many questions have been asked and answered.   Over and over.

This is a functioning 'crypto' -coin with a real use case and will never be
squashed by any govt because it does not compete with any govt.
Very impressed with this gang of developers.

We can go back to COVID-19 is gonna kill us all.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT We will all find out

[justsumname .]

I have no such faith.   We are all geniuses and wizards when coupled with
hindsight.
I won't be participating.


On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 10:55 AM  wrote:

> The interesting thing about the virus and politics is that we will all be
> able to see how well the various politicians protected their constituents.
> There will be no room for opinion or spin.  Open too early and you get a
> double bump.  I imagine the double bump will get politicians fired.
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

[justsumname .]

Pretty safe assumption that 'most people' are not the least bit aware of
many things.
And therefore not prepared for much of anything.

The virus isn't so bad, it's the people reacting to it.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:21 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> My own utility bills won't be different.  Kids are home schooled so we
> kept the heat up at 66 all day anyway.  It drops to 60 when people
> should be in bed under their blankets.  I've spent more on home
> improvement.  Lowes and Home Depot both deliver by the way, and my
> weekends are not taken up by kids birthday parties, soccer games, etc.
> So I've been catching up on house projects. Meanwhile I've spent next to
> nothing on luxuries, restaurants, or entertainment.  My personal
> financials before and after are probably a wash.  .though perhaps
> I'm atypical.
>
> Here's one prediction: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/
>
> About 2/3 of the way down: ""The economic slowdown and stay-at-home
> orders are likely to affect U.S. electricity consumption over the next
> few months. EIA expects the largest impact will occur in the commercial
> sector where forecast retail sales of electricity fall by 4.7% in 2020
> due to the closure of many businesses. Similarly, EIA expects retail
> sales of electricity to the industrial sector will fall by 4.2% in 2020
> as many factories cut back production. Forecast U.S. sales of
> electricity to the residential sector fall by 0.8% in 2020, as reduced
> power usage resulting from milder winter and summer weather is offset by
> increased household electricity consumption as much of the population
> stays at home.""
>
> On 4/9/2020 4:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I wonder how many people don't realize that by staying home all day,
> > their utility usage is going to be way up.  I'm surprised I haven't
> > heard more about that being covered.  Keeping the house warmer all
> > day, and the TV on all costs $$$.  It's not free, like the Internet.
> >
> > I'm also curious how much total energy usage has changed.  They say
> > pollution is down because driving is down.  I think most heavy
> > manufacturing is still up and running.  The office buildings can't
> > change their HVAC programs because there are still a couple people in
> > the buildings working, especially if they're all remoteing into their
> > office desktop machines.  And daytime residential usage should be
> > dramatically up.  Or is energy consumption based on the person, and is
> > directly tied to where that person is at?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[justsumname .]

I use shotgun and airsoft pellets on the stray dogs


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Shotgun and rock salt is more memorable.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Get a bb gun and pop them in the butt if you see them outside.
>
> *From:* justsumname .
> *Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 7:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>
> What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard
> guidance of how to prevent spreading.
> We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and
> disrespectful and disrespectable people.
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> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:
>
>> Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>>
>> I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has
>> tested positive for Covid-19.
>> He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also
>> tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.
>>
>> So….. We are a bit freaked out.
>>
>> Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
>>
>> However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard,
>> playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
>>
>> We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now
>> anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
>>
>> On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
>> He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[justsumname .]

What's going to keep this thing happening is the people who disregard
guidance of how to prevent spreading.
We're not just dealing with a virus.   We're dealing with skeptical and
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:52 PM  wrote:

> Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor
>
>
> I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has tested
> positive for Covid-19.
>
> He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also
> tested positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.
>
>
>
> So….. We are a bit freaked out.
>
>
>
> Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.
>
>
>
> However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard,
> playing with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.
>
>
>
> We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now
> anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).
>
>
>
> On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.
>
> He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[justsumname .]

I came from a family background of various starvationings.  Now the
democrat party calls me a domestic terrorist but they still want my money
and they don't care about my life.
Nobody ever picked me except to do their school work for them.

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> Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:
>
> Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were
> assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front
> were you picked?
>
> I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.
> The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple
> spouses, menial jobs etc.
>
> Who won?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT from my science teacher daughter

[justsumname .]

you mean hysterical stuff like this?

https://apnews.com/6eb1c0c83b87eac98611ac45625de63f

and maybe this, which I found here on this forum several years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 6:34 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Truer words were never spoken.
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 4:10 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> HA!
>>
>> nice one ;-)
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:07 PM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Another naughty climbing video

[justsumname .]

Thanks but I can't watch that sh4t ... omg
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> I wear a harness every time I climb but I've never had an issue where
> using one saved me or my guys.
> So when I see someone working without a harness, while I feel scared for
> them, I know the reality is that 99.5%
> of these people will be just fine.
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 1:02 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder how often those guys die...
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:50 AM Steven Kenney 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't try this at home kids... in fact don't try it at all.
>>>
>>> At least he had his hard hat on.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/VEyofVMEzmA
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Re: [AFMUG] 1-5 second ping monitoring

[justsumname .]

Looks like I still "can" use Pingplotter... but I sure like that SmokePing
I just wanted to query the best network-hive-mind on the www that I know of
;-)


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:24 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> pingplotter and multiping are both good, theyre both cheap enough to buy
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:21 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Smokeping is an alternative.  Pingplotter still exists, why can't you use
>> it?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:15 PM justsumname . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gents --
>>> I used to use a freebie called Pingplotter (I think it was called)..
>>> Anyone using such a thing nowadays?   I'm looking for ping/traceroute
>>> monitoring & plotting response times plus triggered email alerts.
>>> ...Googling now.
>>>
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[AFMUG] 1-5 second ping monitoring

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Gents --
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Anyone using such a thing nowadays?   I'm looking for ping/traceroute
monitoring & plotting response times plus triggered email alerts.
...Googling now.

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Re: [AFMUG] 'cheap' 900MHz PtP link ?

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...where do you guys buy your stuff nowadays?   Every place I can find is
out of stock or page not found.
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 8:51 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, if you want cheap, go with ubiquiti 900mhz. I'd guess more like at
> least 6-8 watts... they use a bit more power than 2.4 or 5ghz ubiquiti
> stuff.
>
> Cambium PTP450 is a good option if you want something better, but it's a
> lot more costly. I think Mikrotik makes (or at least used to) a 900mhz
> radio too, that's fairly cheap, but I haven't used them.
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:21 PM justsumname .  wrote:
>
>> oh yeah  forgot about those!  nice 5 or 10 MHz wide channels... 2-3 Mbps
>> throughput, IIRC.
>> they draw something like 4 - 6 watts?   That might be the trick .
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>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:12 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have several 900MHz links operational for over 4 years using Ubiquiti
>>> M900 radios...using 5MHz channels for SCADA, ViewPoint and camera traffic.
>>> Longest is 4 miles ...stable.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 3:02 PM justsumname  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So it's been like 10 years or so since I've really messed with this
>>>> stuff.
>>>> What's the gear for quick/simple/reliable/low-power-draw (solar -ish)
>>>> WDS-bridge type thing?
>>>> Assume no RF noise, etc., clean slate, few trees, short hop...yadda...
>>>> Or 700Mhz I guess, if I have any clue what I'm talking about...
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Re: [AFMUG] Thread END "El Paso Mass shooting"

[justsumname .]

Popping in to see how AFMUG is faring I'm starting to lean to the Jesus
returning thing is our only real hope.   "man" is just too something to
govern himself.   And yes ... lol  please let us know!   It would be
most curious to me to learn that I missed it.




So, for those of you who don’t know the rule, it is this:  No political
> content during Lent.
>
>
>
> Lent will be over when Jesus returns.
>
> I will let you know when that happens.
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Re: [AFMUG] 'cheap' 900MHz PtP link ?

[justsumname .]

oh yeah  forgot about those!  nice 5 or 10 MHz wide channels... 2-3 Mbps
throughput, IIRC.
they draw something like 4 - 6 watts?   That might be the trick .
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:12 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We have several 900MHz links operational for over 4 years using Ubiquiti
> M900 radios...using 5MHz channels for SCADA, ViewPoint and camera traffic.
> Longest is 4 miles ...stable.
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 3:02 PM justsumname  wrote:
>
>> So it's been like 10 years or so since I've really messed with this stuff.
>> What's the gear for quick/simple/reliable/low-power-draw (solar -ish)
>> WDS-bridge type thing?
>> Assume no RF noise, etc., clean slate, few trees, short hop...yadda...
>> Or 700Mhz I guess, if I have any clue what I'm talking about...
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[AFMUG] 'cheap' 900MHz PtP link ?

[justsumname]

So it's been like 10 years or so since I've really messed with this stuff.
What's the gear for quick/simple/reliable/low-power-draw (solar -ish)
WDS-bridge type thing?
Assume no RF noise, etc., clean slate, few trees, short hop...yadda...
Or 700Mhz I guess, if I have any clue what I'm talking about...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...

[justsumname]

The IRS website shows what changed.   Tax rates did in fact go down... but
deductions were eliminated and/or capped lower and so that's where the
sticker shock is coming from.   Itemized deductions were capped at 10k for
example, if I remember correctly.

Two observations ... a very broad brush summary:

--no longer are people with big mortgages being tax-subsidized by people
with smaller mortgages
--no longer are States with low(er) property taxes tax-subsidizing States
with high(er) property taxes



On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:57 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> Bet that smarts.
>
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>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 6:43 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Anal tax?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 6:26 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a pretty scrupulous CPA and an equally anal tax attorney.  If I
>> ever get it trouble it will be a huge surprise.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 4:57 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...
>>
>>
>>
>> There was an article in the paper I think today about how the IRS doesn’t
>> have the staff to go after people who don’t pay their taxes, it used
>> Michael Avenatti as an example.
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/opinion/irs-taxes.html
>>
>>
>>
>> There was also an article online about how the FCC and FTC hardly ever
>> collect any of their fines.
>>
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/fcc-fined-robocallers-208-million-since-2015-but-collected-only-6790/
>>
>>
>>
>> So apparently the answer is just don’t pay your taxes.  Heck be like
>> Avenatti and don’t even file.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 5:49 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...
>>
>>
>>
>> Clearly you don't make enough money to deserve a tax cut...  I kid.  The
>> increase in the standard deduction is great though.  Paves the way for a
>> future administration to get rid of the formerly sacred mortgage interest
>> deduction.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:26 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Just got my completed 2018 tax return. I'm kind of stunned. My income
>> went up by 8%, but my tax liability went up by 417%
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: EE Consultant

[justsumname]

One of the best threads evar
glad it's 'free' to lurk.
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On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 7:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Kudos to Forrest, he zeroed right in on the problem.
>
> I had blinders on, and focused on the control circuitry instead of the
> regulators.
>
>
>
> Plus you were in a great position to evaluate consultants, already knowing
> part of the answer.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *canopy--- via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 6:01 PM
> *To:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> *Cc:* can...@believewireless.net ; AnimalFarm
> Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: EE Consultant
>
>
>
> Forrest, you rock! Per your suggestion, I reached out to eevblog to find
> someone that could help.
>
> One guy that responded recognized the thermal problem you described. He
> was the only one that
>
> brought it up. Upon looking at my design, he explained why a few other
> problems were happening.
>
>
>
> I've had several others look at it in the past and not one noticed the
> problem with that chip. Thanks
>
> again for your insight and suggestions.
>
>
>
> Chuck and Ken, you both helped me realize the design was flawed even when
> some other "experts"
>
> just recommended tweaking it.
>
>
>
> I just wish I had reached out to the list sooner. I keep forgetting the
> depth and breadth of knowledge here.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:55 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Simplified mental picture statement:  a linear regulator like the
> AZ2117 works by burning off excess voltage as heat.
>
> Assume you have a circuit which takes 500mA @ 3V.   If you want to
> feed it with 12V, and use a linear regulator, the circuit is still
> going to take 500mA but at 12V, with 500mA@9V being turned into heat
> by the linear regulator and 500mA@3V being turned into heat by your
> circuit.
>
> 500mA x 9V = 4.5W.
>
> Each type of case can dissipate (or get rid of) a certain amount of
> power.   The AZ2117 couldn't get rid of power quickly enough so it
> overheated.   It happened to have over temperature protection so it
> shut down.  Less sophisticated regulators will destroy themselves.
>
> The VXO8705-500 is a switchmode regulator, which effectively works
> like the following:
>
> Assume you have a circuit which takes 500mA@3V.   If you want to feed
> it with 12V, and use a switchmode regulator, the switchmode regulator
> very quickly turns the power on for 25% of the time, and off for 75%
> of the time, making an average of 12V*25%=3V.   The average current
> used at 12V will also be cut in a quarter, so you'd have 125mA@12V.
>  Because it's switching it on and off there is very little heat
> generated.
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 11:11 AM canopy--- via AF  wrote:
> >
> > Forrest, I added the VXO7805-500 between the battery and the board and
> now the board appears to
> > be working reliably from battery. It's always worked fine via USB. Can
> you explain why going from 12V
> > down to 5V makes the circuit work reliably? When the AZ2117 was reducing
> voltage was it also reducing
> > the amps going through as well?
> >
> > I like the TPPM0301 but yes, I could use a few more mA. Also, I'd like a
> wider temperature
> > range. I found another 500mA version but it has the same 0-70C operating
> range.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 1:15 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >>
> >> I never looked at the data sheet until Forrest noticed the thermal
> problem.
> >> Surface mount.  I use similar packages in some products.  My pcb is
> double
> >> sided with large lands with a bazillion vias perforating it trying to
> use
> >> the PCB as a heatsink.  It sucks for any real amount of heat.  I am
> able to
> >> get rid of about 5 watts without turning things brown and having the
> parts
> >> unsolder themselves.
> >>
> >> In your case, the reg has a thermal shutdown circuit so you never got
> to the
> >> obvious smoke and self disassembly clues.
> >>
> >> The data sheet says you can flow -20C air over it at 8 watts...
> >> Just spray it with freon and you are good to go!
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 10:23 AM
> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: EE Consultant
> >>
> >> Like Chuck said, pretty much any switchmode regulator aka buck
> >> converter aka dc-dc converter.   This is where you end up with
> >> cost/benefits - there are fully integrated ones out there which are
> >> expensive but easy.   A quick mouser search turns up a VXO7805-500 as
> >> an example.   You can also do all of the design yourself, which is
> >> where datasheets come in handy.
> >>
> >> Note that this isn't going to be a drop in replacement since the USB
> >> voltage isn't going to be enough to power this with the switch method
> >> you are using.   I'd reccomend setting this up so the bat goes
> >> directly into the regulator (it might even be reverse polarity
> >> protected, if 

Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

[justsumname]

oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site in a
glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...!

I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) and
added them to my 'prepper' stash.   (disclaimer:   a real prepper would
call me a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics).

Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far
enough to "get prepared for more than a few days outage".   I own a
gasoline generator and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong and
we lose 'the grid' forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas.   Either
way, I won't be runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station.   And it
seems awfully damn handy to have at least SOME electricity when the world
has NONE.   It's much too pricey to put the entire house "off grid", but
maybe I could put ... oh ... the freezer and fridge off the grid.   Or
something.   And maybe have an outlet to spare.

Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of
74watts according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid
power at this time).It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will power
those two only for a day+ with "no sun".   I own a 100w mono panel and a
cheapo eBay PWM charge controller, but I've been going mental trying to
pick an inverter and charger and it sounds like I need more panels and
possibly the smartest charge controller I can find (probably not MPPT as I
gots no trees nearby).

It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just
doesn't seem right.   Living without any electrical power will be quite an
adjustment, but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood
(electric saw) and collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer
nerd might just live long enough to see what comes next.

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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM  wrote:

> No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
> I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where
> the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast.  So I don’t think the LVD
> costs you a lot of runtime.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
> Not a fan of LVD.  If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent
> outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer.  But  it still sucks
> as a solution.  Buy a generator instead of an LVD.  I have never been glad
> I had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
> Yeah that math checks out.
>
> The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though.  I
> also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they
> might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get
> discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker.  So I build for twice the
> runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even
> if we add another device or the batteries don't age well.
>
> So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I
> know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation.  Some
> people (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the
> batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is
> more expensive than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid
> perspective too.
>
> On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote:
>
> I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just need
> a 'reality check', ... I think.
>
>
>
> So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing
> a 74watt device?   Which means what  1800-ish watt-hrs per day?
>
> Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for
> something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?
>
>
>
> Thanks ...that is all.
>
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>
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I thought ya'll broke my email :)
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* David Coudron
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
> Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 
>
&

Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

[justsumname]

I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just need
a 'reality check', ... I think.

So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing a
74watt device?   Which means what  1800-ish watt-hrs per day?
Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for
something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?

Thanks ...that is all.
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On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
>
> I thought ya'll broke my email :)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* David Coudron 
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
> Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 
>
>
>
> Happy New Year everyone.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
>
>
> Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartphone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[justsumname]

yep be careful:

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/10/watch-man-tests-democrats-claims-pulls-trigger-on-all-plastic-gun-it-blows-up/


On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:05 AM,  wrote:

> No, we restrict SMTP transmission to only stateside IPs
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 2, 2018 8:58 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns
>
> Chuck, I hope this list isn't international... expect a knock on your door
> from the FBI from what you just published.
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:29 AM,  wrote:
>
>> But you don’t need a 3D printer.
>>
>> When I was a kid:  I put a shotgun shell in a vise, held a nail with
>> pliers and used the nail and a ball peen hammer to set it off.
>>
>> I put shotgun shells in pipes and did similar things.
>>
>> As young as 5 years old I crammed a 22 cal cartridge into the holes in a
>> chunk of lava rock and hammered it with another rock until it went off.
>>
>> As previously mentioned here, zip guns have been made for decades.  I
>> recently crammed a 22 cal into a soda straw and threw it up in the air to
>> come down on concrete.  It did not go off as promised.
>>
>> Tape a ball bearing or marble on the bottom of a shotgun shell and do the
>> same thing.
>> Lots of fun to be had without a 3D printer.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:53 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns
>>
>> My biggest real concern about this is idiots, particularly young idiots,
>> like most of us on this list probably were. Printing up the gun on a cheap
>> printer and blowing their hands off because they don't understand the
>> plastic quality matters. Granted, dumb kids like us blew things up with
>> other stuff and manages to keep most of our fingers and a percentage of our
>> hearing. Maybe I'm just getting old and worry about the consequences of
>> dumb kids.
>>
>> And what happens to some kid who loads the file into one of the school
>> printers, his life is effectively over for being a dumb kid.
>>
>> I find the hype humorous since you could download anarchist cookbook from
>> almost day one of the public interwebs. Meth recipes and instruction, ricin
>> production from castor beans, this krocodile fake heroin, napalm recipes,
>> etc.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 8:57 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/1/18 6:48 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> > Yep. There is a reason guns essential parts are made of metal instead
>>> of
>>> > plastic. They will still shoot metal bullets.
>>>
>>>
>>> Print some plastic ones. Problem solved.
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Re: [AFMUG] test

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this is a Reply All

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

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