Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-14 Thread Mark Radabaugh 
Nope, not at all.Or maybe that’s because I do the same :-)

Mark

> On May 14, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Caleb Knauer  wrote:
> 
> Is it weird that the quickest way I can remember which is longitude and which 
> is latitude is by Jimmy Buffet's song Changes in Latitudes? 
> 
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 11:20 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
> wrote:
> Once regular routes were established, they followed a Rhumb line. 
>  
> This is a line connecting two points that can be tracked by following a 
> specific magnetic heading.  It is not a straight line but is very simple to 
> navigate assuming you got started right and kept to the proper heading. 
>  
> Latitude has never been a problem.  Longitude has always been the issue. 
> I recommend the book “Longitude” by Sorbel if you really want a good read on 
> the subject.
> https://books.google.com/books?id=lW8DYSPa6fEC=frontcover=longitude+sorbel=en=X=0ahUKEwj4k_7b5pjiAhWOUt8KHffcA-MQ6AEIKjAA
>  
> <https://books.google.com/books?id=lW8DYSPa6fEC=frontcover=longitude+sorbel=en=X=0ahUKEwj4k_7b5pjiAhWOUt8KHffcA-MQ6AEIKjAA>
>  
> From: Adam Moffett <>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 8:57 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>  
> I wonder if sailing ships would follow the compass during the day and true up 
> with Polaris at night.
> I know the difference was less pronounced then, but it must have still been 
> there and they must have noticed.  Maybe if you're target is to hit the right 
> continent then it ain't really a problem.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> On 5/10/2019 7:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <> wrote:
>> Probably...
>>  
>> For scouts, they normally are not that into absolute bearings and headings.  
>> More just NNE type of accuracy. 
>> But yeah, West coast magnetic variations/declination are much more 
>> pronounced than areas where the folks that live on the agonic line like you. 
>>  
>> Main and NW Washington state are 20 degrees off. 
>>  
>> If you learn to fly a plane in the Pacific Northwest back in the day of 
>> compass and sectional, it was an important factor.  As I recall VOR stations 
>> and victor airways are on a magnetic heading vs true. But they don’t adjust 
>> VOR stations for magnetic field drift after they are installed. 
>>  
>> I think the FCC is all about true north.  And of course you can get a pretty 
>> good heading off the North star or Orions belt.  Can’t remember which of the 
>> three stars is due East/West. 
>>  
>> From: Ken Hohhof <>
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:58 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>>  
>> You’re not making me less confused.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them a 
>> bunch of crap?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <> On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 14 for me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <>
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees where 
>> Bill lives. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Ken Hohhof
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
>> 
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused 
>> about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t 
>> matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to 
>> the tower faces or the roads.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF > On Behalf Of Daniel White
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.
>> 
>> Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your 
>> phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but 
>> either are a good investment.
>> 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-14 Thread Caleb Knauer 
Is it weird that the quickest way I can remember which is longitude and
which is latitude is by Jimmy Buffet's song Changes in Latitudes?

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 11:20 AM  wrote:

> Once regular routes were established, they followed a Rhumb line.
>
> This is a line connecting two points that can be tracked by following a
> specific magnetic heading.  It is not a straight line but is very simple to
> navigate assuming you got started right and kept to the proper heading.
>
> Latitude has never been a problem.  Longitude has always been the issue.
> I recommend the book “Longitude” by Sorbel if you really want a good read
> on the subject.
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=lW8DYSPa6fEC=frontcover=longitude+sorbel=en=X=0ahUKEwj4k_7b5pjiAhWOUt8KHffcA-MQ6AEIKjAA
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:57 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
> I wonder if sailing ships would follow the compass during the day and true
> up with Polaris at night.
> I know the difference was less pronounced then, but it must have still
> been there and they must have noticed.  Maybe if you're target is to hit
> the right continent then it ain't really a problem.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 5/10/2019 7:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Probably...
>
> For scouts, they normally are not that into absolute bearings and
> headings.  More just NNE type of accuracy.
> But yeah, West coast magnetic variations/declination are much more
> pronounced than areas where the folks that live on the agonic line like
> you.
>
> Main and NW Washington state are 20 degrees off.
>
> If you learn to fly a plane in the Pacific Northwest back in the day of
> compass and sectional, it was an important factor.  As I recall VOR
> stations and victor airways are on a magnetic heading vs true. But they
> don’t adjust VOR stations for magnetic field drift after they are
> installed.
>
> I think the FCC is all about true north.  And of course you can get a
> pretty good heading off the North star or Orions belt.  Can’t remember
> which of the three stars is due East/West.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:58 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
> You’re not making me less confused.
>
>
>
> Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them
> a bunch of crap?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> 14 for me.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees
> where Bill lives.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get
> confused about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees
> doesn’t matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the
> sectors to the tower faces or the roads.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.
>
> Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your
> phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally,
> but either are a good investment.
>
>
>
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>
> *Daniel White*
>
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
>
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
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>
> SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:
>
> Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.
>
>
>
> Choices seem to be
>
>
>
> Multiwave Smart Aligner
>
> 3Z Telecom RF Vision
>
> Sunsight
&

Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-13 Thread Tim Hardy 
That is correct - these are True North.

> On May 13, 2019, at 10:26 AM,   wrote:
> 
> I believe path profiles and FCC licensing are true bearings.
>  
> From: Steve Jones <>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 8:22 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>  
> Now I have to ask, what is it in path profiles? Ive always used visual 
> landmarks
>  
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:48 AM Chuck McCown > wrote:
>> I built a 5 meter earth station foundation wrong because the transit I 
>> borrowed from the forest station had declination already dialed into the 
>> compass and I adjusted for it a second time visually when laying out the 
>> forms.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 13, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Brian Webster > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Magnetic declination depends on where in the world you are located and it 
>>> does change over time. Most topographic 7.5 minute quad maps show that 
>>> declination in the legend area. For me it’s about 12.5 degrees west of 
>>> north, in other areas like the pacific northwest it’s about 14 to 16 
>>> degrees east of North. Important information to know. Years ago we had 
>>> drawings from an engineering firm that showed the declination from true to 
>>> magnetic but they put it in the wrong direction so the error on the 
>>> drawings was over 40 degrees (based on 1998 declinations) and as such the 
>>> tower antenna platform got installed wrong.
>>>  
>>> A good map showing the details can be viewed here including the years as to 
>>> what declination was applied at the time. It does change over time. 
>>> Surveyors need to know this if they are trying to set property lines based 
>>> on an old legal description.
>>>  
>>> https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/historical_declination/ 
>>> <https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/historical_declination/>
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Thank You,
>>> Brian Webster
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com/>
>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.broadband-mapping.com/>
>>>  
>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 6:58 PM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> You’re not making me less confused.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them a 
>>> bunch of crap?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF > On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
>>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 14 for me.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees 
>>> where Bill lives. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Ken Hohhof
>>> 
>>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
>>> 
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get 
>>> confused about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees 
>>> doesn’t matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the 
>>> sectors to the tower faces or the roads.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF > On Behalf Of Daniel White
>>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.
>>> 
>>> Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your 
>>> phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but 
>>> either are a good investment.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  <https://atheral.com

Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-13 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
Yeah. Latitude requires a reliable and accurate time reference.
  Took a while to achieve that on a rocking/rolling ship.



bp



On 5/13/2019 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Once regular routes were established, they followed a
Rhumb line.  
   
  This is a line connecting two points that can be tracked
by following a specific magnetic heading.  It is not a
straight line but is very simple to navigate assuming you
got started right and kept to the proper heading.  
   
  Latitude has never been a problem.  Longitude has always
been the issue.  
  I recommend the book “Longitude” by Sorbel if you really
want a good read on the subject.
  https://books.google.com/books?id=lW8DYSPa6fEC=frontcover=longitude+sorbel=en=X=0ahUKEwj4k_7b5pjiAhWOUt8KHffcA-MQ6AEIKjAA
  

   
  
From: Adam
Moffett 
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 8:57 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
  

 
  
  I
wonder if sailing ships would follow the compass during the
day and true up with Polaris at night.
I know the difference was less pronounced then, but it must
have still been there and they must have noticed.  Maybe if
you're target is to hit the right continent then it ain't
really a problem.

-Adam


On 5/10/2019 7:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  
  
  

  Probably...
   
  For scouts, they normally are not that into
absolute bearings and headings.  More just NNE type
of accuracy.  
  But yeah, West coast magnetic
variations/declination are much more pronounced than
areas where the folks that live on the agonic line
like you.  
   
  Main and NW Washington state are 20 degrees off. 
  
   
  If you learn to fly a plane in the Pacific
Northwest back in the day of compass and sectional,
it was an important factor.  As I recall VOR
stations and victor airways are on a magnetic
heading vs true. But they don’t adjust VOR stations
for magnetic field drift after they are installed. 
  
   
  I think the FCC is all about true north.  And of
course you can get a pretty good heading off the
North star or Orions belt.  Can’t remember which of
the three stars is due East/West.  
  

   
  
From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
  

 
  
  

  You’re not making me less
  confused.
   
  Back when I was teaching cub
  scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them a
  bunch of crap?
   
   
  

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
  Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna
  Aligner

  
   
  14 for me.
   
  

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna

Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-13 Thread chuck 
Once regular routes were established, they followed a Rhumb line.  

This is a line connecting two points that can be tracked by following a 
specific magnetic heading.  It is not a straight line but is very simple to 
navigate assuming you got started right and kept to the proper heading.  

Latitude has never been a problem.  Longitude has always been the issue.  
I recommend the book “Longitude” by Sorbel if you really want a good read on 
the subject.
https://books.google.com/books?id=lW8DYSPa6fEC=frontcover=longitude+sorbel=en=X=0ahUKEwj4k_7b5pjiAhWOUt8KHffcA-MQ6AEIKjAA

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 8:57 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

I wonder if sailing ships would follow the compass during the day and true up 
with Polaris at night.
I know the difference was less pronounced then, but it must have still been 
there and they must have noticed.  Maybe if you're target is to hit the right 
continent then it ain't really a problem.

-Adam



On 5/10/2019 7:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Probably...

  For scouts, they normally are not that into absolute bearings and headings.  
More just NNE type of accuracy.  
  But yeah, West coast magnetic variations/declination are much more pronounced 
than areas where the folks that live on the agonic line like you.  

  Main and NW Washington state are 20 degrees off.  

  If you learn to fly a plane in the Pacific Northwest back in the day of 
compass and sectional, it was an important factor.  As I recall VOR stations 
and victor airways are on a magnetic heading vs true. But they don’t adjust VOR 
stations for magnetic field drift after they are installed.  

  I think the FCC is all about true north.  And of course you can get a pretty 
good heading off the North star or Orions belt.  Can’t remember which of the 
three stars is due East/West.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:58 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

  You’re not making me less confused.

   

  Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them a 
bunch of crap?

   

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
  Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

   

  14 for me.

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

   

  It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees where 
Bill lives.  

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

   

  Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused 
about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t matter 
on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to the tower 
faces or the roads.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
  Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

   

  I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

  Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your 
phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but 
either are a good investment.

   


   Daniel White
 
  Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
 
  direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
 
 
 
   

  SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:

Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

 

Choices seem to be

 

Multiwave Smart Aligner

3Z Telecom RF Vision

Sunsight

 

Anyone have experience of any of these?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

   


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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-13 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
Looks like there are places in Iowa where the declination is near
  zero.
https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/historical_declination/


bp



On 5/13/2019 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  Declination is around 12 degrees where I am.  East coast.
  
  
  On 5/10/2019 6:58 PM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:
  
  





  You’re not
  making me less confused.
   
  Back when
  I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching
  them a bunch of crap?
   
   
  

  From: AF 
  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
  Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

  
   
  14 for me.
   
  

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

  
   
  

  
It
is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is
probably 15 degrees where Bill lives.  
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From: Ken
  Hohhof 


  Sent:
  Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM


  To:
  'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 


  Subject: Re:
  [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

  


   

  
  
Whenever
I see the difference between magnetic and true north
I get confused about which one we’re supposedly
using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t matter on a
90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align
the sectors to the tower faces or the roads.
 

  
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
  

 

  I've
  used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few
  years ago though.
  
  Really it boils down if you want the screen on the
  device or to use your phone or sometheneing
  else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally,
  but either are a good investment.
  
 

  

  

  
  

  

  
Daniel
  White
  


  
Co-Founder
- Business Development &
Operations
  


  
direct:
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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-13 Thread Adam Moffett 
I wonder if sailing ships would follow the compass during the day and 
true up with Polaris at night.
I know the difference was less pronounced then, but it must have still 
been there and they must have noticed.  Maybe if you're target is to hit 
the right continent then it ain't really a problem.


-Adam


On 5/10/2019 7:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Probably...
For scouts, they normally are not that into absolute bearings and 
headings.  More just NNE type of accuracy.
But yeah, West coast magnetic variations/declination are much more 
pronounced than areas where the folks that live on the agonic line 
like you.

Main and NW Washington state are 20 degrees off.
If you learn to fly a plane in the Pacific Northwest back in the day 
of compass and sectional, it was an important factor.  As I recall VOR 
stations and victor airways are on a magnetic heading vs true. But 
they don’t adjust VOR stations for magnetic field drift after they are 
installed.
I think the FCC is all about true north.  And of course you can get a 
pretty good heading off the North star or Orions belt.  Can’t remember 
which of the three stars is due East/West.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:58 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

You’re not making me less confused.

Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching 
them a bunch of crap?


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

14 for me.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees 
where Bill lives.


*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get 
confused about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 
degrees doesn’t matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and 
just align the sectors to the tower faces or the roads.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
*Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use 
your phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight 
personally, but either are a good investment.


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SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:

Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

Choices seem to be

Multiwave Smart Aligner

3Z Telecom RF Vision

Sunsight

Anyone have experience of any of these?

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-13 Thread Adam Moffett 

Declination is around 12 degrees where I am.  East coast.


On 5/10/2019 6:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


You’re not making me less confused.

Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching 
them a bunch of crap?


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

14 for me.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees 
where Bill lives.


*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get 
confused about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 
degrees doesn’t matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and 
just align the sectors to the tower faces or the roads.


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*On Behalf Of *Daniel White

*Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use 
your phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight 
personally, but either are a good investment.


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Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

Choices seem to be

Multiwave Smart Aligner

3Z Telecom RF Vision

Sunsight

Anyone have experience of any of these?

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-13 Thread chuck 
I believe path profiles and FCC licensing are true bearings.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 8:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

Now I have to ask, what is it in path profiles? Ive always used visual landmarks

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:48 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I built a 5 meter earth station foundation wrong because the transit I 
borrowed from the forest station had declination already dialed into the 
compass and I adjusted for it a second time visually when laying out the forms.


  Sent from my iPhone

  On May 13, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Brian Webster  wrote:


Magnetic declination depends on where in the world you are located and it 
does change over time. Most topographic 7.5 minute quad maps show that 
declination in the legend area. For me it’s about 12.5 degrees west of north, 
in other areas like the pacific northwest it’s about 14 to 16 degrees east of 
North. Important information to know. Years ago we had drawings from an 
engineering firm that showed the declination from true to magnetic but they put 
it in the wrong direction so the error on the drawings was over 40 degrees 
(based on 1998 declinations) and as such the tower antenna platform got 
installed wrong.



A good map showing the details can be viewed here including the years as to 
what declination was applied at the time. It does change over time. Surveyors 
need to know this if they are trying to set property lines based on an old 
legal description.



https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/historical_declination/





Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 6:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner



You’re not making me less confused.



Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them a 
bunch of crap?





From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner



14 for me.



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner



It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees 
where Bill lives.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner



Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get 
confused about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees 
doesn’t matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the 
sectors to the tower faces or the roads.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner



I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your 
phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but 
either are a good investment.



  
 Daniel White
   
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
   
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
   
   
   
 

SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:

  Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.



  Choices seem to be



  Multiwave Smart Aligner

  3Z Telecom RF Vision

  Sunsight



  Anyone have experience of any of these?



  Thanks



  Adam








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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-13 Thread Steve Jones 
Now I have to ask, what is it in path profiles? Ive always used visual
landmarks

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:48 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I built a 5 meter earth station foundation wrong because the transit I
> borrowed from the forest station had declination already dialed into the
> compass and I adjusted for it a second time visually when laying out the
> forms.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 13, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
> Magnetic declination depends on where in the world you are located and it
> does change over time. Most topographic 7.5 minute quad maps show that
> declination in the legend area. For me it’s about 12.5 degrees west of
> north, in other areas like the pacific northwest it’s about 14 to 16
> degrees east of North. Important information to know. Years ago we had
> drawings from an engineering firm that showed the declination from true to
> magnetic but they put it in the wrong direction so the error on the
> drawings was over 40 degrees (based on 1998 declinations) and as such the
> tower antenna platform got installed wrong.
>
>
>
> A good map showing the details can be viewed here including the years as
> to what declination was applied at the time. It does change over time.
> Surveyors need to know this if they are trying to set property lines based
> on an old legal description.
>
>
>
> https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/historical_declination/
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 6:58 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> You’re not making me less confused.
>
>
>
> Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them
> a bunch of crap?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> 14 for me.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees
> where Bill lives.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get
> confused about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees
> doesn’t matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the
> sectors to the tower faces or the roads.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.
>
> Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your
> phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally,
> but either are a good investment.
>
>
>
>  <https://atheral.com/>
>
> *Daniel White*
>
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
>
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/getatheral>  
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/atheral/>   
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpPZv-EsGCj8LXfzylwCrjQ>
>
> SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:
>
> Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.
>
>
>
> Choices seem to be
>
>
>
> Multiwave Smart Aligner
>
> 3Z Telecom RF Vision
>
> Sunsight
>
>
>
> Anyone have experience of any of these?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-13 Thread Chuck McCown 
I built a 5 meter earth station foundation wrong because the transit I borrowed 
from the forest station had declination already dialed into the compass and I 
adjusted for it a second time visually when laying out the forms.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Brian Webster  wrote:
> 
> Magnetic declination depends on where in the world you are located and it 
> does change over time. Most topographic 7.5 minute quad maps show that 
> declination in the legend area. For me it’s about 12.5 degrees west of north, 
> in other areas like the pacific northwest it’s about 14 to 16 degrees east of 
> North. Important information to know. Years ago we had drawings from an 
> engineering firm that showed the declination from true to magnetic but they 
> put it in the wrong direction so the error on the drawings was over 40 
> degrees (based on 1998 declinations) and as such the tower antenna platform 
> got installed wrong.
>  
> A good map showing the details can be viewed here including the years as to 
> what declination was applied at the time. It does change over time. Surveyors 
> need to know this if they are trying to set property lines based on an old 
> legal description.
>  
> https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/historical_declination/
>  
>  
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 6:58 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>  
> You’re not making me less confused.
>  
> Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them a 
> bunch of crap?
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>  
> 14 for me.
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>  
> It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees where 
> Bill lives. 
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>  
> Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused 
> about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t 
> matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to 
> the tower faces or the roads.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>  
> I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.
> 
> Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your 
> phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but 
> either are a good investment.
>  
> 
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>   
> SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:
> 
> Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.
>  
> Choices seem to be
>  
> Multiwave Smart Aligner
> 3Z Telecom RF Vision
> Sunsight
>  
> Anyone have experience of any of these?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Adam
>  
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-13 Thread Brian Webster 
Magnetic declination depends on where in the world you are located and it does 
change over time. Most topographic 7.5 minute quad maps show that declination 
in the legend area. For me it’s about 12.5 degrees west of north, in other 
areas like the pacific northwest it’s about 14 to 16 degrees east of North. 
Important information to know. Years ago we had drawings from an engineering 
firm that showed the declination from true to magnetic but they put it in the 
wrong direction so the error on the drawings was over 40 degrees (based on 1998 
declinations) and as such the tower antenna platform got installed wrong.

 

A good map showing the details can be viewed here including the years as to 
what declination was applied at the time. It does change over time. Surveyors 
need to know this if they are trying to set property lines based on an old 
legal description.

 

https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/historical_declination/

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 6:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

You’re not making me less confused.

 

Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them a 
bunch of crap?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

14 for me.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees where 
Bill lives.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused 
about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t matter 
on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to the tower 
faces or the roads.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your phone 
or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but either are 
a good investment.

 


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SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:

Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

 

Choices seem to be

 

Multiwave Smart Aligner

3Z Telecom RF Vision

Sunsight

 

Anyone have experience of any of these?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-10 Thread Bill Prince 
Yah. 15 or 16 degrees here. Was over 30 degrees when I was flying in
Alaska. Has anyone been following the migration of the North magnetic pole?
I hear it is racing toward the actual North pole, and they are having to
adjust the declination more often.

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On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 3:19 PM  wrote:

> It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees
> where Bill lives.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
> Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get
> confused about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees
> doesn’t matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the
> sectors to the tower faces or the roads.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.
>
> Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your
> phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally,
> but either are a good investment.
>
>
>
> <https://atheral.com/>
>
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>
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>
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
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>
> SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:
>
> Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.
>
>
>
> Choices seem to be
>
>
>
> Multiwave Smart Aligner
>
> 3Z Telecom RF Vision
>
> Sunsight
>
>
>
> Anyone have experience of any of these?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-10 Thread chuck 
Probably...

For scouts, they normally are not that into absolute bearings and headings.  
More just NNE type of accuracy.  
But yeah, West coast magnetic variations/declination are much more pronounced 
than areas where the folks that live on the agonic line like you.  

Main and NW Washington state are 20 degrees off.  

If you learn to fly a plane in the Pacific Northwest back in the day of compass 
and sectional, it was an important factor.  As I recall VOR stations and victor 
airways are on a magnetic heading vs true. But they don’t adjust VOR stations 
for magnetic field drift after they are installed.  

I think the FCC is all about true north.  And of course you can get a pretty 
good heading off the North star or Orions belt.  Can’t remember which of the 
three stars is due East/West.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

You’re not making me less confused.

 

Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them a 
bunch of crap?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

14 for me.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees where 
Bill lives.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused 
about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t matter 
on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to the tower 
faces or the roads.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your phone 
or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but either are 
a good investment.

 


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SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:

  Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

   

  Choices seem to be

   

  Multiwave Smart Aligner

  3Z Telecom RF Vision

  Sunsight

   

  Anyone have experience of any of these?

   

  Thanks

   

  Adam

   

 




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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-10 Thread Ken Hohhof 
You’re not making me less confused.

 

Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them a 
bunch of crap?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

14 for me.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees where 
Bill lives.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused 
about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t matter 
on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to the tower 
faces or the roads.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your phone 
or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but either are 
a good investment.

 


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SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:

Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

 

Choices seem to be

 

Multiwave Smart Aligner

3Z Telecom RF Vision

Sunsight

 

Anyone have experience of any of these?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-10 Thread SmarterBroadband 
14 for me.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees where 
Bill lives.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused 
about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t matter 
on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to the tower 
faces or the roads.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your phone 
or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but either are 
a good investment.

 


 <https://atheral.com/> 


Daniel White


Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations


direct: +1 (702) 470-2766


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SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:

Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

 

Choices seem to be

 

Multiwave Smart Aligner

3Z Telecom RF Vision

Sunsight

 

Anyone have experience of any of these?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-10 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused
about which one we're supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn't
matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to
the tower faces or the roads.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your
phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but
either are a good investment.

 


 <https://atheral.com/> 


Daniel White


Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations


direct: +1 (702) 470-2766


 <https://www.facebook.com/getatheral>
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/atheral/>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpPZv-EsGCj8LXfzylwCrjQ>   

SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:



Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

 

Choices seem to be

 

Multiwave Smart Aligner

3Z Telecom RF Vision

Sunsight

 

Anyone have experience of any of these?

 

Thanks

 

Adam





 

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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-10 Thread chuck 
It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees where 
Bill lives.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused 
about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t matter 
on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to the tower 
faces or the roads.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

 

I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your phone 
or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but either are 
a good investment.

 


 Daniel White
   
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
   
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
   
   
   
 

SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:



  Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

   

  Choices seem to be

   

  Multiwave Smart Aligner

  3Z Telecom RF Vision

  Sunsight

   

  Anyone have experience of any of these?

   

  Thanks

   

  Adam





 




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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-10 Thread Daniel White 

I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.

Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your 
phone or something else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but 
either are a good investment.



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Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

Choices seem to be

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Sunsight

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2019-05-10 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.

 

Choices seem to be

 

Multiwave Smart Aligner

3Z Telecom RF Vision

Sunsight

 

Anyone have experience of any of these?

 

Thanks

 

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