Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, since there are no PALs yet, the SAS only protects incumbents from GAA.  
Once the PAL license takes place, PALs would be protected from GAA.  As I 
understand it, GAA doesn't get protected from other GAA, it's up to you to do 
frequency coordination manually.  And if a PAL holder needs your frequency, you 
would lose your grant and have to manually select a different frequency.

As far as mutual interference, the difference probably is that a cellco is 
doing spectrum aggregation, while a WISP is probably using CBRS exclusively.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; dave 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

I thought SAS was suppose to stop this from happening?  I would assume they are 
being interfered on just as much as you are?

On 5/21/20 8:59 AM, dave wrote:
> Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap.
> So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately
> 3550-3640
> we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 
> 40mhz x2
> 
> 
> On 5/20/20 1:12 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave, can you expand on this:
>>
>> “We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a 
>> wall block into the metro portion of our coverage."
>>
>> I’m San Francisco, so totally metro.. what is the impact of the celco 
>> firing up its gear on you?
>>
>> Peter Kranz
>> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:32 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?
>>
>> I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m.
>> I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total 
>> confidence with google.
>> Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes.
>> We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a 
>> wall block into the metro portion of our coverage.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Matt Hoppes]

I thought SAS was suppose to stop this from happening?  I would assume 
they are being interfered on just as much as you are?


On 5/21/20 8:59 AM, dave wrote:

Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap.
So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately 
3550-3640
we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 
40mhz x2



On 5/20/20 1:12 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:


Hi Dave, can you expand on this:

“We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a 
wall block into the metro portion of our coverage."


I’m San Francisco, so totally metro.. what is the impact of the celco 
firing up its gear on you?


Peter Kranz
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*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:32 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m.
I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total 
confidence with google.

Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes.
We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a 
wall block into the metro portion of our coverage.










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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Matt Hoppes]

What happens when the cellco fires up their gear?  Do you get asked to 
move and move gracefully?  Or do you have to do some kind of manual 
intervention?


How is the 450i/Medusa through trees?

On 5/20/20 10:31 AM, dave wrote:

I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m.
I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total 
confidence with google.

Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes.
We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a wall 
block into the metro portion of our coverage.




On 5/20/20 8:20 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's due in 5 months.  No one says you have to be done between now and 
October.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:08 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I recall 3 SAS outages discussed on this list.  One with Google
and two with Federated.

Whether it's production ready or not, these are the new rules we
need to be using.


On 5/18/2020 4:09 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:


Anyone deployed Cambium 450m gear under the new CBRS/SAS ruleset
in an Urban environment have comments on how reliably your access
points remain functional? i.e. receiving grants.. Should I
consider this production ready at this point, or wait?

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Steve Jones]

"ru;les"

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:19 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> I could be completely wrong on this but I don’t think that is allowed per
> the rules for the band.
>
> Mark
>
> On May 21, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I also wonder if they can use CBRS in LAA mode, where it is essentially
> downstream only and they don’t care if their basestation sees a bunch of
> interference from you.
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:47 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Peter Kranz 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?
>
> Hmm, This is bad news.. half the band already unusable for you, and I’m
> guessing cell networks CBRS deployments are just starting. My high level
> towers can see hundreds of cell sites.
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:59 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?
>
>
> Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap.
> So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately
> 3550-3640
> we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 40mhz
> x2
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Mark Radabaugh]

I could be completely wrong on this but I don’t think that is allowed per the 
rules for the band.

Mark

> On May 21, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I also wonder if they can use CBRS in LAA mode, where it is essentially 
> downstream only and they don’t care if their basestation sees a bunch of 
> interference from you.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Peter Kranz via AF
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:47 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Cc: Peter Kranz mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?
>  
> Hmm, This is bad news.. half the band already unusable for you, and I’m 
> guessing cell networks CBRS deployments are just starting. My high level 
> towers can see hundreds of cell sites.
>  
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of dave
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:59 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?
>  
> Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap. 
> So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately 
> 3550-3640
> we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 40mhz x2 
> 
>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Ken Hohhof]

I also wonder if they can use CBRS in LAA mode, where it is essentially 
downstream only and they don’t care if their basestation sees a bunch of 
interference from you.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:47 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

 

Hmm, This is bad news.. half the band already unusable for you, and I’m 
guessing cell networks CBRS deployments are just starting. My high level towers 
can see hundreds of cell sites.

 

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of dave
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

 

Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap. 
So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately 3550-3640
we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 40mhz x2 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Steve Jones]

This is why I am slow rolling CBRS, seeing what happens


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:47 AM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:

> Hmm, This is bad news.. half the band already unusable for you, and I’m
> guessing cell networks CBRS deployments are just starting. My high level
> towers can see hundreds of cell sites.
>
>
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:59 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?
>
>
>
> Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap.
> So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately
> 3550-3640
> we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 40mhz
> x2
>
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>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Peter Kranz via AF]

Hmm, This is bad news.. half the band already unusable for you, and I’m 
guessing cell networks CBRS deployments are just starting. My high level towers 
can see hundreds of cell sites.

 

Peter Kranz
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From: AF  On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

 

Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap. 
So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately 3550-3640
we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 40mhz x2 

 

 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Matt Corcoran]

From: AF  on behalf of Mark Radabaugh 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 11:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

It will be interesting to see what happens.

There has been a lot of discussion within WinnForum over coordination in GAA, 
and there is little consensus even in WinnForum over how GAA should be managed. 
  Lots of camps.   Some of the SAS operators feel they are responsible for 
efficient use of GAA spectrum (which the FCC said) but the FCC also, in the 
same report and order, said that it’s ‘like unlicensed’ and it’s up to the 
operators to work out.

The compromise is the idea of ’single frequency groups’ where you can match 
timing settings, the idea being to avoid assigning the same or overlapping 
frequencies to operators on different timing schemes.  Unfortunately support 
for this varies between SAS’s, and last I saw Google was doing very little to 
even check what was already in use before accepting a GAA request.   Federated 
does a little more, and I don’t know where the rest of the SAS’s are.

For better or worse - I’m willing to bet the Cambium gear suffers far less from 
the noise than the LTE gear.   It’s going to suck for everyone when there is 
contention.   It will be interesting to see if the telco’s give up first or 
just keep blasting away.

Mark


On May 21, 2020, at 8:59 AM, dave 
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:

Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap.
So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately 3550-3640
we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 40mhz x2



On 5/20/20 1:12 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
Hi Dave, can you expand on this:

“We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a wall block 
into the metro portion of our coverage."

I’m San Francisco, so totally metro.. what is the impact of the celco firing up 
its gear on you?

Peter Kranz
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Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com<mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
dave
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:32 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m.
I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total confidence with 
google.
Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes.
We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a wall block 
into the metro portion of our coverage.









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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Mark Radabaugh]

It will be interesting to see what happens.  

There has been a lot of discussion within WinnForum over coordination in GAA, 
and there is little consensus even in WinnForum over how GAA should be managed. 
  Lots of camps.   Some of the SAS operators feel they are responsible for 
efficient use of GAA spectrum (which the FCC said) but the FCC also, in the 
same report and order, said that it’s ‘like unlicensed’ and it’s up to the 
operators to work out.

The compromise is the idea of ’single frequency groups’ where you can match 
timing settings, the idea being to avoid assigning the same or overlapping 
frequencies to operators on different timing schemes.  Unfortunately support 
for this varies between SAS’s, and last I saw Google was doing very little to 
even check what was already in use before accepting a GAA request.   Federated 
does a little more, and I don’t know where the rest of the SAS’s are.

For better or worse - I’m willing to bet the Cambium gear suffers far less from 
the noise than the LTE gear.   It’s going to suck for everyone when there is 
contention.   It will be interesting to see if the telco’s give up first or 
just keep blasting away.   

Mark 

> On May 21, 2020, at 8:59 AM, dave  wrote:
> 
> Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap. 
> So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately 
> 3550-3640
> we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 40mhz x2 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/20/20 1:12 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
>> Hi Dave, can you expand on this:
>>  
>> “We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a wall 
>> block into the metro portion of our coverage."
>>  
>> I’m San Francisco, so totally metro.. what is the impact of the celco firing 
>> up its gear on you?
>>  
>> Peter Kranz
>> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
>>  
>> From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On 
>> Behalf Of dave
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:32 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?
>>  
>> I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m. 
>> I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total confidence 
>> with google. 
>> Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes. 
>> We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a wall 
>> block into the metro portion of our coverage.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[dave]

Well lets just say that SNR and Signal levels will double or even triple 
depending what the sub had before conversion.
Of course to get the extra power and higher capacity you will end up 
moving to 20 and 30mhz or 40mhz depending on your design.

We have doubled and tripled capacity on our 450i/450m Aps.

It has solved a bunch of trouble with customers who are actually working 
from home and just watching TV. Preseem I hope to have doing QOS soon 
for TV HOGS :)



On 5/20/20 1:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total 
confidence with google.


What numbers?

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:34 AM dave > wrote:


I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with
pmp450/450i/450m.
I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total
confidence with google.
Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes.
We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like
a wall block into the metro portion of our coverage.



On 5/20/20 8:20 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It's due in 5 months.  No one says you have to be done between
now and October.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:08 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I recall 3 SAS outages discussed on this list. One with
Google and two with Federated.

Whether it's production ready or not, these are the new rules
we need to be using.


On 5/18/2020 4:09 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:


Anyone deployed Cambium 450m gear under the new CBRS/SAS
ruleset in an Urban environment have comments on how
reliably your access points remain functional? i.e.
receiving grants.. Should I consider this production ready
at this point, or wait?

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[dave]

Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap.
So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately 
3550-3640
we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 
40mhz x2



On 5/20/20 1:12 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:


Hi Dave, can you expand on this:

“We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a 
wall block into the metro portion of our coverage."


I’m San Francisco, so totally metro.. what is the impact of the celco 
firing up its gear on you?


Peter Kranz
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Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:32 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m.
I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total 
confidence with google.

Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes.
We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a 
wall block into the metro portion of our coverage.







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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Josh Luthman]

>I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total confidence
with google.

What numbers?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:34 AM dave  wrote:

> I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m.
> I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total confidence
> with google.
> Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes.
> We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a wall
> block into the metro portion of our coverage.
>
>
>
> On 5/20/20 8:20 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It's due in 5 months.  No one says you have to be done between now and
> October.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:08 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I recall 3 SAS outages discussed on this list.  One with Google and two
>> with Federated.
>>
>> Whether it's production ready or not, these are the new rules we need to
>> be using.
>>
>>
>> On 5/18/2020 4:09 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
>>
>> Anyone deployed Cambium 450m gear under the new CBRS/SAS ruleset in an
>> Urban environment have comments on how reliably your access points remain
>> functional? i.e. receiving grants.. Should I consider this production ready
>> at this point, or wait?
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Kranz
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Tushar Patel]

David,

Which cell company?

Tushar


> On May 20, 2020, at 9:34 AM, dave  wrote:
> 
>  I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m. 
> I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total confidence 
> with google. 
> Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes. 
> We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a wall 
> block into the metro portion of our coverage.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5/20/20 8:20 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> It's due in 5 months.  No one says you have to be done between now and 
>> October.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:08 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> I recall 3 SAS outages discussed on this list.  One with Google and two 
>>> with Federated.  
>>> 
>>> Whether it's production ready or not, these are the new rules we need to be 
>>> using.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 5/18/2020 4:09 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
 Anyone deployed Cambium 450m gear under the new CBRS/SAS ruleset in an 
 Urban environment have comments on how reliably your access points remain 
 functional? i.e. receiving grants.. Should I consider this production 
 ready at this point, or wait?
 
  
 
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 www.UnwiredLtd.com
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Peter Kranz via AF]

Hi Dave, can you expand on this:

 

“We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a wall block 
into the metro portion of our coverage."

 

I’m San Francisco, so totally metro.. what is the impact of the celco firing up 
its gear on you?

 

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From: AF  On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:32 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

 

I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m. 
I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total confidence with 
google. 
Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes. 
We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a wall block 
into the metro portion of our coverage.







 

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[dave]

I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m.
I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total 
confidence with google.

Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes.
We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a wall 
block into the metro portion of our coverage.




On 5/20/20 8:20 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's due in 5 months.  No one says you have to be done between now and 
October.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:08 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I recall 3 SAS outages discussed on this list.  One with Google
and two with Federated.

Whether it's production ready or not, these are the new rules we
need to be using.


On 5/18/2020 4:09 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:


Anyone deployed Cambium 450m gear under the new CBRS/SAS ruleset
in an Urban environment have comments on how reliably your access
points remain functional? i.e. receiving grants.. Should I
consider this production ready at this point, or wait?

Peter Kranz
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Mobile: 510-207-
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Josh Luthman]

It's due in 5 months.  No one says you have to be done between now and
October.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:08 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I recall 3 SAS outages discussed on this list.  One with Google and two
> with Federated.
>
> Whether it's production ready or not, these are the new rules we need to
> be using.
>
>
> On 5/18/2020 4:09 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
>
> Anyone deployed Cambium 450m gear under the new CBRS/SAS ruleset in an
> Urban environment have comments on how reliably your access points remain
> functional? i.e. receiving grants.. Should I consider this production ready
> at this point, or wait?
>
>
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Adam Moffett]

I recall 3 SAS outages discussed on this list.  One with Google and two 
with Federated.


Whether it's production ready or not, these are the new rules we need to 
be using.



On 5/18/2020 4:09 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:


Anyone deployed Cambium 450m gear under the new CBRS/SAS ruleset in an 
Urban environment have comments on how reliably your access points 
remain functional? i.e. receiving grants.. Should I consider this 
production ready at this point, or wait?


Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
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Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 


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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Adam Moffett]

When they say CBRS will be at a certain point in a year, that means 10 
years.  When they say a month or two they mean a few more years.


I don't know if there's a precedent for "middle of x year".  It has to 
be at least x+1 though if history means anything.



On 5/18/2020 6:54 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
It is still sas 1.0 so everyone gets every grant. Mid 2020 was when 
2.0 was supposed to go live, I dont know how that schedule is working 
with the world coming to an end.


On Mon, May 18, 2020, 3:10 PM Peter Kranz via AF > wrote:


Anyone deployed Cambium 450m gear under the new CBRS/SAS ruleset
in an Urban environment have comments on how reliably your access
points remain functional? i.e. receiving grants.. Should I
consider this production ready at this point, or wait?

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Steve Jones]

It is still sas 1.0 so everyone gets every grant. Mid 2020 was when 2.0 was
supposed to go live, I dont know how that schedule is working with the
world coming to an end.

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 3:10 PM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:

> Anyone deployed Cambium 450m gear under the new CBRS/SAS ruleset in an
> Urban environment have comments on how reliably your access points remain
> functional? i.e. receiving grants.. Should I consider this production ready
> at this point, or wait?
>
>
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[AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Peter Kranz via AF]

Anyone deployed Cambium 450m gear under the new CBRS/SAS ruleset in an Urban
environment have comments on how reliably your access points remain
functional? i.e. receiving grants.. Should I consider this production ready
at this point, or wait?

 

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