Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
I guess you could also do power shedding during a power failure. Like you’ve got 3 power sucking sectors and the site is running on batteries and the time to get there with a generator exceeds the battery runtime, so you decide to power down the APs to at least keep the backhauls running so the next tower downstream doesn’t lose its feed. If most of the customers near that tower are also without power, that might be a reasonable decision. From: AF On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:26 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device I’ve never seen the performance hit that was claimed in the article. I’ve had one since they first came out. We’ve got the current model because they offered us a lifetime subscription version for a reasonable price as an upgrade. I currently have it on wifi because I ran out of space and outlets where I put the router when I moved it. I haven’t noticed any real difference in performance either way. The only time I ever had to reset it was when I told it to put itself into the locked down profile that I had created and it blocked itself from getting to the internet and it couldn’t be managed anymore. That kind of seems like a design flaw but that was with the old model so maybe you can’t do that with the current model. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:35 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device I guess making them disable the Circle for troubleshooting might be a satisfactory compromise. Although I thought it had a battery and WiFi so kids couldn’t just unplug it, how do you turn the darn thing off? Battery pull? Also, would it be reasonable to require them to connect the Circle with an Ethernet cable so everything isn’t taking a double trip through the WiFi? That would eliminate one of my two concerns about the Circle. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:39 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like someone troubleshooting over wireless. We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own routers and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp spoofing on the router to use a circle. https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network? I’m trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage the router if the customer wants to do that. And that if they really like the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers that has Circle built in to the router. No hacker tricks needed. If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network. Hey Mr. Customer, if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the other – ISP managed or customer managed. Make up your mind. Or call Geek Squad. https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/ From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works fine. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote: I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to restrict a lot of stuff. I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile. I haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control de
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
I don't have one personally so I can't speak definitively but our support articles say to plug in the circle with an ethernet cable. If it has a good wifi connection though I don't see what the difference is. We'd definitely prefer it to be connected with an ethernet cable. On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:27 AM James Howard wrote: > I’ve never seen the performance hit that was claimed in the article. I’ve > had one since they first came out. We’ve got the current model because > they offered us a lifetime subscription version for a reasonable price as > an upgrade. I currently have it on wifi because I ran out of space and > outlets where I put the router when I moved it. I haven’t noticed any real > difference in performance either way. The only time I ever had to reset it > was when I told it to put itself into the locked down profile that I had > created and it blocked itself from getting to the internet and it couldn’t > be managed anymore. That kind of seems like a design flaw but that was > with the old model so maybe you can’t do that with the current model. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 8:35 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device > > > > I guess making them disable the Circle for troubleshooting might be a > satisfactory compromise. Although I thought it had a battery and WiFi so > kids couldn’t just unplug it, how do you turn the darn thing off? Battery > pull? > > > > Also, would it be reasonable to require them to connect the Circle with an > Ethernet cable so everything isn’t taking a double trip through the WiFi? > That would eliminate one of my two concerns about the Circle. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:39 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device > > > > If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they > called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like > someone troubleshooting over wireless. > > > > We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own > routers and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp > spoofing on the router to use a circle. > > > > > https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle > attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the > router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network? I’m > trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage > the router if the customer wants to do that. And that if they really like > the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers > that has Circle built in to the router. No hacker tricks needed. > > > > If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible > for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add > spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network. Hey Mr. Customer, > if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the > other – ISP managed or customer managed. Make up your mind. Or call Geek > Squad. > > > > https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/ > > > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/ > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device > > > > We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works > fine. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard wrote: > > I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people > blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to > restrict a lot of stuff. I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff > for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile. I > haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device > > > > H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame > on th
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
I’ve never seen the performance hit that was claimed in the article. I’ve had one since they first came out. We’ve got the current model because they offered us a lifetime subscription version for a reasonable price as an upgrade. I currently have it on wifi because I ran out of space and outlets where I put the router when I moved it. I haven’t noticed any real difference in performance either way. The only time I ever had to reset it was when I told it to put itself into the locked down profile that I had created and it blocked itself from getting to the internet and it couldn’t be managed anymore. That kind of seems like a design flaw but that was with the old model so maybe you can’t do that with the current model. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:35 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device I guess making them disable the Circle for troubleshooting might be a satisfactory compromise. Although I thought it had a battery and WiFi so kids couldn’t just unplug it, how do you turn the darn thing off? Battery pull? Also, would it be reasonable to require them to connect the Circle with an Ethernet cable so everything isn’t taking a double trip through the WiFi? That would eliminate one of my two concerns about the Circle. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:39 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like someone troubleshooting over wireless. We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own routers and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp spoofing on the router to use a circle. https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network? I’m trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage the router if the customer wants to do that. And that if they really like the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers that has Circle built in to the router. No hacker tricks needed. If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network. Hey Mr. Customer, if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the other – ISP managed or customer managed. Make up your mind. Or call Geek Squad. https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/ From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works fine. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote: I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to restrict a lot of stuff. I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile. I haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to the router instead of wifi for best performance. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark bought them i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something On Wed,
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
OK, I guess I can answer my own question about how to turn Circle off by consulting their website: To turn the Circle device OFF The Circle device was designed with enterprising kids in mind and has an internal battery that will keep it working, even if it's unplugged. There may be times, however, when you may need to turn your Circle device off, and this is how: 1. Locate the power button on the back of your Circle device. 2. Hold the power button for 10-15 seconds until the LED power indicator turns off. 3. Release the power button. I’d still be interested in your view of whether it’s reasonable to require the customer to connect the Circle to the router via an Ethernet cable if they’re going to complain about WiFi performance. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:35 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device I guess making them disable the Circle for troubleshooting might be a satisfactory compromise. Although I thought it had a battery and WiFi so kids couldn’t just unplug it, how do you turn the darn thing off? Battery pull? Also, would it be reasonable to require them to connect the Circle with an Ethernet cable so everything isn’t taking a double trip through the WiFi? That would eliminate one of my two concerns about the Circle. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:39 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like someone troubleshooting over wireless. We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own routers and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp spoofing on the router to use a circle. https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network? I’m trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage the router if the customer wants to do that. And that if they really like the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers that has Circle built in to the router. No hacker tricks needed. If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network. Hey Mr. Customer, if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the other – ISP managed or customer managed. Make up your mind. Or call Geek Squad. https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/ From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works fine. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote: I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to restrict a lot of stuff. I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile. I haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to the router instead of wifi for best performance. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: routerlimits had something similar,
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
I guess making them disable the Circle for troubleshooting might be a satisfactory compromise. Although I thought it had a battery and WiFi so kids couldn’t just unplug it, how do you turn the darn thing off? Battery pull? Also, would it be reasonable to require them to connect the Circle with an Ethernet cable so everything isn’t taking a double trip through the WiFi? That would eliminate one of my two concerns about the Circle. From: AF On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 2:39 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like someone troubleshooting over wireless. We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own routers and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp spoofing on the router to use a circle. https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network? I’m trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage the router if the customer wants to do that. And that if they really like the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers that has Circle built in to the router. No hacker tricks needed. If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network. Hey Mr. Customer, if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the other – ISP managed or customer managed. Make up your mind. Or call Geek Squad. https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/ From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works fine. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote: I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to restrict a lot of stuff. I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile. I haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to the router instead of wifi for best performance. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark bought them i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a parental control device. How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi? It seems like it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow take over DNS. Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ Total Control Panel Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-bo
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If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like someone troubleshooting over wireless. We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own routers and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp spoofing on the router to use a circle. https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle > attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the > router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network? I’m > trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage > the router if the customer wants to do that. And that if they really like > the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers > that has Circle built in to the router. No hacker tricks needed. > > > > If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible > for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add > spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network. Hey Mr. Customer, > if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the > other – ISP managed or customer managed. Make up your mind. Or call Geek > Squad. > > > > https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/ > > > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/ > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device > > > > We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works > fine. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard wrote: > > I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people > blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to > restrict a lot of stuff. I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff > for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile. I > haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device > > > > H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame > on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh > system? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device > > > > ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired > to the router instead of wifi for best performance. > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > > routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before > bark bought them > > i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a > parental control device. > > > > How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi? It seems like > it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow > take over DNS. Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > *Total Control Panel* > > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993=litewire.net> > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> > is on your allow list.* > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network? I’m trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage the router if the customer wants to do that. And that if they really like the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers that has Circle built in to the router. No hacker tricks needed. If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network. Hey Mr. Customer, if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the other – ISP managed or customer managed. Make up your mind. Or call Geek Squad. https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/ From: AF On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works fine. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote: I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to restrict a lot of stuff. I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile. I haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to the router instead of wifi for best performance. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark bought them i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a parental control device. How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi? It seems like it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow take over DNS. Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ Total Control Panel Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works fine. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard wrote: > I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people > blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to > restrict a lot of stuff. I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff > for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile. I > haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device > > > > H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame > on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh > system? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device > > > > ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired > to the router instead of wifi for best performance. > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > > routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before > bark bought them > > i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a > parental control device. > > > > How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi? It seems like > it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow > take over DNS. Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > *Total Control Panel* > > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993=litewire.net> > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> > is on your allow list.* > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh. I could see people blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to restrict a lot of stuff. I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile. I haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to the router instead of wifi for best performance. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark bought them i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a parental control device. How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi? It seems like it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow take over DNS. Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
Thanks Chris, thanks Darin. From: AF On Behalf Of Chris Fabien Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 4:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device They use ARP spoofing and can definitely cause problems. We tested one and they were not compatible with the SmartRG SR400 routers we use. Their support was no help whatsoever either. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 4:59 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to the router instead of wifi for best performance. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark bought them i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a parental control device. How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi? It seems like it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow take over DNS. Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
They use ARP spoofing and can definitely cause problems. We tested one and they were not compatible with the SmartRG SR400 routers we use. Their support was no help whatsoever either. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 4:59 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame > on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh > system? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device > > > > ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired > to the router instead of wifi for best performance. > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > > routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before > bark bought them > > i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a > parental control device. > > > > How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi? It seems like > it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow > take over DNS. Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame on their Internet? And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh system? From: AF On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to the router instead of wifi for best performance. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark bought them i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a parental control device. How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi? It seems like it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow take over DNS. Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired to the router instead of wifi for best performance. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones wrote: > routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before > bark bought them > i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a >> parental control device. >> >> >> >> How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi? It seems >> like it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or >> somehow take over DNS. Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before bark bought them i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a > parental control device. > > > > How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi? It seems like > it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow > take over DNS. Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Circle parental control device
Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a parental control device. How does this work if it's just another device on the WiFi? It seems like it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow take over DNS. Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
