Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-26 Thread Sean Heskett 
I like to also have sync over Ethernet too so incase you loose a sync
source the AP stays up.  But we are in Colorado and can’t always drive
right up to the tower to fix it in a blizzard lol.

-Sean


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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-26 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
Fiber+power and syncbox at each AP

From: AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, September 25, 2020 at 12:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

Do you mean use fiber for ethernet connectivity but run cat5 for sync?

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
You can use single sync solutions per AP, so no Ethernet runs


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

I don't need no damn sync.  I have a building with more than enough FTB.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning on using 
fiber, too.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to avoid 
ethernet issues.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it uses like 
1.21 gigawatts.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

If you need sync...power it over that too.

In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.  No 
sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.

Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick power 
cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an AP that’s 
in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to redeploy but I 
didn’t label where it came from.

Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go off to 
Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other day, but I 
could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim 
backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled regularly but that was 15 years 
ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which has now been replaced with a PTP820.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that 
everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field techs 
know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems happen look 
there and try a reboot.

-Sean


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC ICT 
rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).

We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules to 
provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the 
RackInjector as well to provide pow

Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-25 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Good point about the gland.  Actually if you want official Cambium glands, a 
10-pack.

 

A couple times I’ve had to steal a gland off another radio for the AUX port 
because I forgot they don’t give you any extra.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

 

Turn on uGPS on the 450m, add a sync box junior nearby, buy a second gland for 
the Aux port, plug it all in, Voila! Sync. No need to run cable all the tower.

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 12:01 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

https://store.packetflux.com/syncbox-junior-aux-port-version/


 

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On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

What are the sync options for 450m? Poe+sync or aux port? No on-board gps for 
self sync??

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:57 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Or just use a cnPulse/SyncBox or something like that at the top of the tower 
next to the radio.. so, you aren't running CAT5 all the way up your tower.

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 12:53 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Do you mean use fiber for ethernet connectivity but run cat5 for sync?


 

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On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

You can use single sync solutions per AP, so no Ethernet runs 

 

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

 

I don't need no damn sync.  I have a building with more than enough FTB.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning on using 
fiber, too.

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to avoid 
ethernet issues.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it uses like 
1.21 gigawatts.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

 

If you need sync...power it over that too.

 

In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.  No 
sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.

 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.

 

Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick power 
cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an AP that’s 
in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to redeploy but I 
didn’t label where it came from.

 

Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go off to 
Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other day, but I 
could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim 
backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled regularly but that was 15 years 
ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which has now been replaced with a PTP820.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-25 Thread Sam Lambie 
Turn on uGPS on the 450m, add a sync box junior nearby, buy a second gland
for the Aux port, plug it all in, Voila! Sync. No need to run cable all
the tower.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 12:01 PM Josh Luthman 
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> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
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>> What are the sync options for 450m? Poe+sync or aux port? No on-board gps
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>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
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>>> Or just use a cnPulse/SyncBox or something like that at the top of the
>>> tower next to the radio.. so, you aren't running CAT5 all the way up your
>>> tower.
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>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 12:53 PM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
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>>>> Do you mean use fiber for ethernet connectivity but run cat5 for sync?
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>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
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>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM Gino A. Villarini 
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>>>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman <
>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Date: *Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM
>>>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
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>>>>> FTB.
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>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird 
>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning
>>>>> on using fiber, too.
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>>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to
>>>>> avoid ethernet issues.
>>>>>
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>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
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>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it
>>>>> uses like 1.21 gigawatts.
>>>>>
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>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman 
https://store.packetflux.com/syncbox-junior-aux-port-version/

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> What are the sync options for 450m? Poe+sync or aux port? No on-board gps
> for self sync??
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> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
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>> Or just use a cnPulse/SyncBox or something like that at the top of the
>> tower next to the radio.. so, you aren't running CAT5 all the way up your
>> tower.
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>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 12:53 PM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
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>>> Do you mean use fiber for ethernet connectivity but run cat5 for sync?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
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>>>> You can use single sync solutions per AP, so no Ethernet runs
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> *Gino*
>>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>>> @gvillarini
>>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>>> [image: aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [image: inc500]
>>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [image: fb-logo]
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>  [image: insta-logo]
>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>  [image: in-logo]
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>  [image:
>>>> tw-logo]
>>>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor>
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>>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Date: *Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM
>>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>>>
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>>>> I don't need no damn sync.  I have a building with more than enough FTB.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning
>>>> on using fiber, too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to
>>>> avoid ethernet issues.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it
>>>> uses like 1.21 gigawatts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you need sync...power it over that too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber +
>>>> DC.  No sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of
>>>> shielding.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-25 Thread Ryan Ray 
We are just installing a pair of 450m 3.65 and your options for sync are to
run an ethernet cable down to a packetflux rackinjector but with no POE,
just let it do sync, or to use a cnpulse which is just a gps receiver that
plugs in directly to the 450m.

On a separate note, does anyone else hate these 4 pin power cables? To do
it properly you need to make 5 ends and the small pins are so finicky to
get into the connector. It took hours for us to make all the cables
properly and verify. Frustrating.


On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 10:17 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

> What are the sync options for 450m? Poe+sync or aux port? No on-board gps
> for self sync??
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Or just use a cnPulse/SyncBox or something like that at the top of the
>> tower next to the radio.. so, you aren't running CAT5 all the way up your
>> tower.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 12:53 PM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mean use fiber for ethernet connectivity but run cat5 for sync?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can use single sync solutions per AP, so no Ethernet runs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Gino*
>>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>>> @gvillarini
>>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>>> [image: aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [image: inc500]
>>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [image: fb-logo]
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>  [image: insta-logo]
>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>  [image: in-logo]
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>  [image:
>>>> tw-logo]
>>>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor>
>>>>   [image: yt-logo]
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA>
>>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>>
>>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Date: *Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM
>>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't need no damn sync.  I have a building with more than enough FTB.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning
>>>> on using fiber, too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to
>>>> avoid ethernet issues.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it
>>>> uses like 1.21 gigawatts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you need sync...power it over that too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber +
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-25 Thread TJ Trout 
What are the sync options for 450m? Poe+sync or aux port? No on-board gps
for self sync??

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Or just use a cnPulse/SyncBox or something like that at the top of the
> tower next to the radio.. so, you aren't running CAT5 all the way up your
> tower.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 12:53 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Do you mean use fiber for ethernet connectivity but run cat5 for sync?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You can use single sync solutions per AP, so no Ethernet runs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino*
>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> [image: aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [image: inc500]
>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [image: fb-logo]
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>  [image: insta-logo]
>>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>  [image: in-logo]
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>  [image:
>>> tw-logo]
>>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor>
>>>   [image: yt-logo]
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA>
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't need no damn sync.  I have a building with more than enough FTB.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
>>> You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning on
>>> using fiber, too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to
>>> avoid ethernet issues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it
>>> uses like 1.21 gigawatts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you need sync...power it over that too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.
>>> No sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick
>>> power cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an
>>> AP that’s in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to
>>> redeploy but I didn’t label where it came from.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go
>>> off to Lalaland and need a reboot, I

Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-25 Thread Josh Baird 
Or just use a cnPulse/SyncBox or something like that at the top of the
tower next to the radio.. so, you aren't running CAT5 all the way up your
tower.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 12:53 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Do you mean use fiber for ethernet connectivity but run cat5 for sync?
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> You can use single sync solutions per AP, so no Ethernet runs
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino*
>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>> [image: aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [image: inc500]
>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [image: fb-logo]
>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>  [image: insta-logo]
>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>  [image: in-logo]
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>  [image:
>> tw-logo]
>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor>
>>   [image: yt-logo]
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA>
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't need no damn sync.  I have a building with more than enough FTB.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>> You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning on
>> using fiber, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to
>> avoid ethernet issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it uses
>> like 1.21 gigawatts.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you need sync...power it over that too.
>>
>>
>>
>> In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.
>> No sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.
>>
>>
>>
>> Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick
>> power cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an
>> AP that’s in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to
>> redeploy but I didn’t label where it came from.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go
>> off to Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other
>> day, but I could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old
>> Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled
>> regularly but that was 15 years ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which
>> has now been replaced with a PTP820.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>
>>
>>
>> Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that
>> everyt

Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman 
Do you mean use fiber for ethernet connectivity but run cat5 for sync?

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> You can use single sync solutions per AP, so no Ethernet runs
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> [image: aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [image: inc500]
> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [image: fb-logo]
> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>  [image: insta-logo]
> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>  [image: in-logo]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>  [image:
> tw-logo]
> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor>
>   [image: yt-logo]
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA>
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>
>
>
> I don't need no damn sync.  I have a building with more than enough FTB.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning on
> using fiber, too.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to avoid
> ethernet issues.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it uses
> like 1.21 gigawatts.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>
>
>
> If you need sync...power it over that too.
>
>
>
> In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.
> No sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.
>
>
>
> Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick
> power cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an
> AP that’s in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to
> redeploy but I didn’t label where it came from.
>
>
>
> Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go
> off to Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other
> day, but I could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old
> Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled
> regularly but that was 15 years ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which
> has now been replaced with a PTP820.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>
>
>
> Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that
> everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field
> techs know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems
> happen look there and try a reboot.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC
> ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).
>
>
>
> We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules
> to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the
> RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could
> power them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.
>
>
>
> Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is

Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-25 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
You can use single sync solutions per AP, so no Ethernet runs


Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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<https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet>  
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<https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>   
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<https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> 
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www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 
Guaynabo, PR 00968
From: AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

I don't need no damn sync.  I have a building with more than enough FTB.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning on using 
fiber, too.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to avoid 
ethernet issues.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it uses like 
1.21 gigawatts.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

If you need sync...power it over that too.

In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.  No 
sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.

Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick power 
cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an AP that’s 
in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to redeploy but I 
didn’t label where it came from.

Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go off to 
Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other day, but I 
could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim 
backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled regularly but that was 15 years 
ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which has now been replaced with a PTP820.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that 
everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field techs 
know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems happen look 
there and try a reboot.

-Sean


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC ICT 
rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).

We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules to 
provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the 
RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could power 
them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.

Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any reason 
to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in this 
scenario?

Cheers,

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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman 
I don't need no damn sync.  I have a building with more than enough FTB.

Josh Luthman
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning on
> using fiber, too.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to
>> avoid ethernet issues.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it
>>> uses like 1.21 gigawatts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you need sync...power it over that too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.
>>> No sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick
>>> power cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an
>>> AP that’s in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to
>>> redeploy but I didn’t label where it came from.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go
>>> off to Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other
>>> day, but I could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old
>>> Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled
>>> regularly but that was 15 years ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which
>>> has now been replaced with a PTP820.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that
>>> everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field
>>> techs know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems
>>> happen look there and try a reboot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
>>> We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC
>>> ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync
>>> modules to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU
>>> module in the RackInjector as well to provide power to them.
>>> Alternatively, we could power them directly off of the ICT managed
>>> distribution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any
>>> reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in
>>> this scenario?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-25 Thread Josh Baird 
You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning on
using fiber, too.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to avoid
> ethernet issues.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it uses
>> like 1.21 gigawatts.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you need sync...power it over that too.
>>
>>
>>
>> In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.
>> No sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.
>>
>>
>>
>> Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick
>> power cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an
>> AP that’s in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to
>> redeploy but I didn’t label where it came from.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go
>> off to Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other
>> day, but I could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old
>> Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled
>> regularly but that was 15 years ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which
>> has now been replaced with a PTP820.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>>
>>
>>
>> Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that
>> everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field
>> techs know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems
>> happen look there and try a reboot.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>> We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC
>> ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).
>>
>>
>>
>> We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync
>> modules to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU
>> module in the RackInjector as well to provide power to them.
>> Alternatively, we could power them directly off of the ICT managed
>> distribution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any
>> reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in
>> this scenario?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-25 Thread Josh Luthman 
Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to avoid
ethernet issues.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it uses
> like 1.21 gigawatts.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>
>
>
> If you need sync...power it over that too.
>
>
>
> In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.
> No sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.
>
>
>
> Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick
> power cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an
> AP that’s in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to
> redeploy but I didn’t label where it came from.
>
>
>
> Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go
> off to Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other
> day, but I could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old
> Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled
> regularly but that was 15 years ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which
> has now been replaced with a PTP820.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>
>
>
> Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that
> everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field
> techs know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems
> happen look there and try a reboot.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC
> ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).
>
>
>
> We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules
> to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the
> RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could
> power them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.
>
>
>
> Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any
> reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in
> this scenario?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Josh Baird 
Good call out, thanks!

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 3:30 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Ok yeah it's worse than I remembered
>
> 3.5ghz 450m is 140W typical, 150W max.
>
> Max input per power port on rack injector is 10 amp.
>
> You should definitely not put more than 3 on one power input.  To use the
> rack injector for that you might have to pull two outputs from the ICT into
> two different inputs on the Rack Injector and divide your APs among the two
> inputs..unless you have 3 or less.
>
>
>
> On 9/24/2020 3:16 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> On this original question, the only thing I'd watch out for is the total
> load on the Rack Injector.  There's a max current on each input (10A? 12A?
> I don't remember, but it's on the web page).  Each 450m is I think 100W
> typical and 125W max.  If you're on battery then your voltage could drop
> down to whatever your LVD cutoff is.  125W / 44volt would mean 2.8 Amp
> each.   You could end up very close to maximum.  I may not be remembering
> the wattages exactly right, but I'm thinking you'd want a whole power input
> devoted to the 450m.
>
> On the ICT you could slap in a bigger breaker, but I think the ones on the
> Rack Injector just are what they are.
>
>
> On 9/24/2020 11:17 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC
> ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).
>
> We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules
> to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the
> RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could
> power them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.
>
> Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any
> reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in
> this scenario?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Josh
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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Adam Moffett 

Ok yeah it's worse than I remembered

3.5ghz 450m is 140W typical, 150W max.

Max input per power port on rack injector is 10 amp.

You should definitely not put more than 3 on one power input.  To use 
the rack injector for that you might have to pull two outputs from the 
ICT into two different inputs on the Rack Injector and divide your APs 
among the two inputs..unless you have 3 or less.




On 9/24/2020 3:16 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


On this original question, the only thing I'd watch out for is the 
total load on the Rack Injector.  There's a max current on each input 
(10A? 12A? I don't remember, but it's on the web page).  Each 450m is 
I think 100W typical and 125W max.  If you're on battery then your 
voltage could drop down to whatever your LVD cutoff is.  125W / 44volt 
would mean 2.8 Amp each. You could end up very close to maximum.  I 
may not be remembering the wattages exactly right, but I'm thinking 
you'd want a whole power input devoted to the 450m.


On the ICT you could slap in a bigger breaker, but I think the ones on 
the Rack Injector just are what they are.



On 9/24/2020 11:17 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have 
a +48VDC ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).


We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync 
modules to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU 
module in the RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  
Alternatively, we could power them directly off of the ICT managed 
distribution.


Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there 
any reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution 
panel in this scenario?


Cheers,

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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Adam Moffett 

That's exactly what I was wondering about regarding max amperage.

On 9/24/2020 3:18 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
You might check with Forest on the max output power of the PIDU. We 
tried (4) CBRS 450M's on one card which caused weird power reboots on 
random AP's. We were using a 600W power supply, which might have been 
the issue as well. 3 AP's have been working just fine however.


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:18 AM Josh Baird > wrote:


We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have
a +48VDC ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).

We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync
modules to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a
PDU module in the RackInjector as well to provide power to them. 
Alternatively, we could power them directly off of the ICT managed
distribution.

Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is
there any reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC
distribution panel in this scenario?

Cheers,

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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Eric Muehleisen 
You might check with Forest on the max output power of the PIDU. We tried
(4) CBRS 450M's on one card which caused weird power reboots on random
AP's. We were using a 600W power supply, which might have been the issue as
well. 3 AP's have been working just fine however.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:18 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC
> ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).
>
> We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules
> to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the
> RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could
> power them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.
>
> Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any
> reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in
> this scenario?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Josh
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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Adam Moffett 
On this original question, the only thing I'd watch out for is the total 
load on the Rack Injector.  There's a max current on each input (10A? 
12A? I don't remember, but it's on the web page).  Each 450m is I think 
100W typical and 125W max.  If you're on battery then your voltage could 
drop down to whatever your LVD cutoff is.  125W / 44volt would mean 2.8 
Amp each.   You could end up very close to maximum.  I may not be 
remembering the wattages exactly right, but I'm thinking you'd want a 
whole power input devoted to the 450m.


On the ICT you could slap in a bigger breaker, but I think the ones on 
the Rack Injector just are what they are.



On 9/24/2020 11:17 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have 
a +48VDC ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).


We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync 
modules to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios. We could load a PDU 
module in the RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  
Alternatively, we could power them directly off of the ICT managed 
distribution.


Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP). Is there any 
reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel 
in this scenario?


Cheers,

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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Adam Moffett 
Sure, if you're having to power cycle APs then you have a problem you 
should fix, but I'd still prefer to know that I could if I had to.  It's 
also useful during a migration to be able to power up the new AP and 
power down the old one.  And if your vendor introduces a bug requiring a 
power cycle then at least you have a short term solution while you wait 
for the patch.


The thing I'd watch out for is tech support leaning on rebooting as a 
crutch rather than solving underlying problems.  In 2015 I witnessed 
first hand a company where low level people were rebooting Wimax APs 
every single day.  It turned out the biggest reason for it was they had 
a bunch of power supplies which were factory set to 220V but plugged 
into 110V outlets.  They would run normally for awhile, but an internal 
breaker would trip at the drop of a hat.  Cycling the outlet would reset 
that breaker.  All they had to do was put a jumper on the PSU to switch 
it to 110V, but they got themsel ves into a loop of saying "oh an AP is 
down, reboot it."


The AP's also had bugs that made them crash so they still needed the 
stupid reboot switches, but it became more of a monthly thing than a 
daily thing.


On the one hand, that situation was super dumb.  On the other hand these 
dummies were diligently monitoring the AP's and resolving the immediate 
issue, so if they didn't have their reboot switches I imagine they would 
have had somebody running around pulling power cords every day.  I saw 
this T-shirt at Walmart and thought of them.  I wore it around them 
frequently, but I don't know if they ever realized it was about them.


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On 9/24/2020 1:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.

Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the 
quick power cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that 
wouldn’t be an AP that’s in service, but one from the used pile that 
I’m planning to redeploy but I didn’t label where it came from.


Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will 
go off to Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge 
the other day, but I could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old 
Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim backhaul radio that needed to be power 
cycled regularly but that was 15 years ago and it got replaced with a 
PTP500 which has now been replaced with a PTP820.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that 
everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field 
techs know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when 
problems happen look there and try a reboot.


-Sean

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:


We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have
a +48VDC ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).

We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync
modules to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a
PDU module in the RackInjector as well to provide power to them. 
Alternatively, we could power them directly off of the ICT managed
distribution.

Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is
there any reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC
distribution panel in this scenario?

Cheers,

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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it uses like 
1.21 gigawatts.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

 

If you need sync...power it over that too.

 

In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.  No 
sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.

 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.

 

Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick power 
cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an AP that’s 
in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to redeploy but I 
didn’t label where it came from.

 

Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go off to 
Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other day, but I 
could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim 
backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled regularly but that was 15 years 
ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which has now been replaced with a PTP820.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

 

Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that 
everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field techs 
know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems happen look 
there and try a reboot.

 

-Sean

 

 

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC ICT 
rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).

 

We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules to 
provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the 
RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could power 
them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.

 

Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any reason 
to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in this 
scenario?

 

Cheers,

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Josh Luthman 
If you need sync...power it over that too.

In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.  No
sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.
>
>
>
> Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick
> power cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an
> AP that’s in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to
> redeploy but I didn’t label where it came from.
>
>
>
> Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go
> off to Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other
> day, but I could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old
> Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled
> regularly but that was 15 years ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which
> has now been replaced with a PTP820.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>
>
>
> Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that
> everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field
> techs know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems
> happen look there and try a reboot.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC
> ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).
>
>
>
> We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules
> to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the
> RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could
> power them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.
>
>
>
> Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any
> reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in
> this scenario?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.

 

Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick power 
cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an AP that’s 
in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to redeploy but I 
didn’t label where it came from.

 

Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go off to 
Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other day, but I 
could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim 
backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled regularly but that was 15 years 
ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which has now been replaced with a PTP820.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

 

Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that 
everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field techs 
know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems happen look 
there and try a reboot.

 

-Sean

 

 

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC ICT 
rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).

 

We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules to 
provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the 
RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could power 
them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.

 

Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any reason 
to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in this 
scenario?

 

Cheers,

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Josh Baird 
Yep - standardization is a good thing!

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that
> everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field
> techs know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems
> happen look there and try a reboot.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC
>> ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).
>>
>> We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync
>> modules to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU
>> module in the RackInjector as well to provide power to them.
>> Alternatively, we could power them directly off of the ICT managed
>> distribution.
>>
>> Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any
>> reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in
>> this scenario?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Josh
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Sean Heskett 
Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that
everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field
techs know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems
happen look there and try a reboot.

-Sean


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC
> ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).
>
> We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules
> to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the
> RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could
> power them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.
>
> Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any
> reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in
> this scenario?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Josh
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[AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

2020-09-24 Thread Josh Baird 
We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC ICT
rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).

We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules
to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the
RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could
power them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.

Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any
reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in
this scenario?

Cheers,

Josh
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