Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
We saw those. I think those would work OK, but we really liked the idea of the POE Hat since it is all contained in the one device. I think the Raspberry Pi is looking for Micro USB power input of 5V normally, so we would either need to find a similar device to bring it down to 5V or use a buck converter to down convert. I didn’t find a 5V version of this, but they likely exist, however if they don’t we weren’t excited about using a splitter like this and then having to get a separate buck converter as well. It was looking pretty messy at that point. I am hopeful that the Pi with the POE Hat will still fit in one of the cases they have for the Pi, it would be a pretty clean solution overall if it did. Thanks, David Coudron From: AF On Behalf Of Timothy Steele Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring Are you wanting POE just for the power? you can do something like this convert the POE to a adapter plug https://www.fs.com/products/71172.html?currency=USD=google_shopping=CjwKCAjw5ZPcBRBkEiwA-avvk2_F9aNpcaABeoxNCEuaFCgPYqHeVZRvA8bWqXkJJ9gAg36DwCt97RoCtCoQAvD_BwE On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:32 AM Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote: It's less about the fan, more about the AF POE converter. "The Raspberry Pi Power over Ethernet HAT is a small accessory for the Raspberry Pi computer. It can only be used with the Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ (launched March 2018). The PoE HAT allows you to power your Raspberry Pi using Power over Ethernet–enabled networks; for this product to be used, the network it is connected to needs to have power-sourcing equipment installed." If you really cared enough it appears that you could remove the fan if you felt it was necessary. "The PoE HAT is fitted with a small fan that is controlled by the Raspberry Pi via I2C. The fan will turn on and off automatically depending on the temperature of the main processor on the Raspberry Pi." Either way: this allows a Pi to be powered via POE fairly easily, right from the Pi Foundation. Previous methods I saw used a external adapter that was a step down/splitter like thing that was external to the board and not very clean. This thing is kind of cool and keeps the same footprint of the board. Joe On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 7:05 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Submerse it in mineral oil and seal it in an old paint can. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 5:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring I doubt your app would require a fan since you won't be pushing the processor that hard. On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 5:55 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: Seems like a fan is defeating the whole purpose of a Pi board... On 8/27/18 12:38 PM, Joe Novak wrote: > I just saw this on slashdot: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/ > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:43 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > <mailto:li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com%20%3cmailto:li...@packetflux.com>>> > wrote: > > Ok, that makes more sense. > > My initial assumption was that you were doing some automated > management at the site, i.e. rebooting radios, etc via script > control. I'm trying to figure out what is interesting for people > to control automatically so I can make sure those features make it > into either the first or an early release. > > For what you're doing, I'd definitely start with the Pi. > > > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 7:20 PM, David Coudron > <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com%20%3cmailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>> > wrote: > > That’s right. We have this running in our NOC as a backup only > if the local ones fail. Our DIAs are geographically dispersed > so the thought is we run these in the DIA and some other key > towers for their local subnets only since we don’t backhaul our > traffic from the different regions to the NOC, we dump it on the > Internet close to the tower groupings. If these monitors fail > for some reason, we fire up the one in the NOC that is connected > to those subnets through VPN. We are looking for cheap and > small foot print since we have a very feasible backup we can > kick in easily. > > __ __ > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > > > > ---- > > *From:*30141712500n behalf of > *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 6:55 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.c
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
Due to the fact that the fan is controlled by the I2C and not running all the time, this seems like a good fit for our application. We don’t need the extra draw on the system if the cabinet happens to be running on battery, and some of the Pi kits with the heatsinks seem like they wouldn’t be as effective as the fan for when extra cooling is needed. We have a Pi 3b on order, we need to get a 3b+ going for this to work it looks like. We should have some information to share shortly for this application, but it looks like a good fit overall for what we are trying to do unless the Ubuntu-Mate image for Raspberry Pi doesn’t run the stuff we are looking for. Regards, David Coudron From: AF On Behalf Of Joe Novak Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:31 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring It's less about the fan, more about the AF POE converter. "The Raspberry Pi Power over Ethernet HAT is a small accessory for the Raspberry Pi computer. It can only be used with the Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ (launched March 2018). The PoE HAT allows you to power your Raspberry Pi using Power over Ethernet–enabled networks; for this product to be used, the network it is connected to needs to have power-sourcing equipment installed." If you really cared enough it appears that you could remove the fan if you felt it was necessary. "The PoE HAT is fitted with a small fan that is controlled by the Raspberry Pi via I2C. The fan will turn on and off automatically depending on the temperature of the main processor on the Raspberry Pi." Either way: this allows a Pi to be powered via POE fairly easily, right from the Pi Foundation. Previous methods I saw used a external adapter that was a step down/splitter like thing that was external to the board and not very clean. This thing is kind of cool and keeps the same footprint of the board. Joe On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 7:05 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Submerse it in mineral oil and seal it in an old paint can. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 5:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring I doubt your app would require a fan since you won't be pushing the processor that hard. On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 5:55 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: Seems like a fan is defeating the whole purpose of a Pi board... On 8/27/18 12:38 PM, Joe Novak wrote: > I just saw this on slashdot: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/ > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:43 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > <mailto:li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com%20%3cmailto:li...@packetflux.com>>> > wrote: > > Ok, that makes more sense. > > My initial assumption was that you were doing some automated > management at the site, i.e. rebooting radios, etc via script > control. I'm trying to figure out what is interesting for people > to control automatically so I can make sure those features make it > into either the first or an early release. > > For what you're doing, I'd definitely start with the Pi. > > > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 7:20 PM, David Coudron > <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com%20%3cmailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>> > wrote: > > That’s right. We have this running in our NOC as a backup only > if the local ones fail. Our DIAs are geographically dispersed > so the thought is we run these in the DIA and some other key > towers for their local subnets only since we don’t backhaul our > traffic from the different regions to the NOC, we dump it on the > Internet close to the tower groupings. If these monitors fail > for some reason, we fire up the one in the NOC that is connected > to those subnets through VPN. We are looking for cheap and > small foot print since we have a very feasible backup we can > kick in easily. > > __ __ > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > > > > > > *From:*30141712500n behalf of > *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 6:55 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring > > > > Probably what a lot of us would do. I kind of get the impression > that he wants to run these things locally? > > __ __ > > bp > > > > __ __ > > On 8/2
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
Are you wanting POE just for the power? you can do something like this convert the POE to a adapter plug https://www.fs.com/products/71172.html?currency=USD=google_shopping=CjwKCAjw5ZPcBRBkEiwA-avvk2_F9aNpcaABeoxNCEuaFCgPYqHeVZRvA8bWqXkJJ9gAg36DwCt97RoCtCoQAvD_BwE On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:32 AM Joe Novak wrote: > It's less about the fan, more about the AF POE converter. > > "The Raspberry Pi Power over Ethernet HAT is a small accessory for the > Raspberry Pi computer. It can only be used with the Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ > (launched March 2018). The PoE HAT allows you to power your Raspberry Pi > using Power over Ethernet–enabled networks; for this product to be used, > the network it is connected to needs to have power-sourcing equipment > installed." > > If you really cared enough it appears that you could remove the fan if you > felt it was necessary. > > "The PoE HAT is fitted with a small fan that is controlled by the > Raspberry Pi via I2C. The fan will turn on and off automatically depending > on the temperature of the main processor on the Raspberry Pi." > > Either way: this allows a Pi to be powered via POE fairly easily, right > from the Pi Foundation. Previous methods I saw used a external adapter that > was a step down/splitter like thing that was external to the board and not > very clean. This thing is kind of cool and keeps the same footprint of the > board. > > > Joe > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 7:05 PM, wrote: > >> Submerse it in mineral oil and seal it in an old paint can. >> >> *From:* Lewis Bergman >> *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2018 5:55 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring >> >> I doubt your app would require a fan since you won't be pushing the >> processor that hard. >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 5:55 PM Robert wrote: >> >>> Seems like a fan is defeating the whole purpose of a Pi board... >>> >>> On 8/27/18 12:38 PM, Joe Novak wrote: >>> > I just saw this on slashdot: >>> https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/ >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:43 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> > mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Ok, that makes more sense. >>> > >>> > My initial assumption was that you were doing some automated >>> > management at the site, i.e. rebooting radios, etc via script >>> > control. I'm trying to figure out what is interesting for people >>> > to control automatically so I can make sure those features make it >>> > into either the first or an early release. >>> > >>> > For what you're doing, I'd definitely start with the Pi. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 7:20 PM, David Coudron >>> > mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com >>> >> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > That’s right. We have this running in our NOC as a backup >>> only >>> > if the local ones fail. Our DIAs are geographically dispersed >>> > so the thought is we run these in the DIA and some other key >>> > towers for their local subnets only since we don’t backhaul our >>> > traffic from the different regions to the NOC, we dump it on >>> the >>> > Internet close to the tower groupings. If these monitors fail >>> > for some reason, we fire up the one in the NOC that is >>> connected >>> > to those subnets through VPN. We are looking for cheap and >>> > small foot print since we have a very feasible backup we can >>> > kick in easily. >>> > >>> > __ __ >>> > >>> > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > *From:*30141712500n behalf of >>> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 6:55 PM >>> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>> > >>> > >>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Probably what a lot of us would do. I kind of get t
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
It's less about the fan, more about the AF POE converter. "The Raspberry Pi Power over Ethernet HAT is a small accessory for the Raspberry Pi computer. It can only be used with the Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ (launched March 2018). The PoE HAT allows you to power your Raspberry Pi using Power over Ethernet–enabled networks; for this product to be used, the network it is connected to needs to have power-sourcing equipment installed." If you really cared enough it appears that you could remove the fan if you felt it was necessary. "The PoE HAT is fitted with a small fan that is controlled by the Raspberry Pi via I2C. The fan will turn on and off automatically depending on the temperature of the main processor on the Raspberry Pi." Either way: this allows a Pi to be powered via POE fairly easily, right from the Pi Foundation. Previous methods I saw used a external adapter that was a step down/splitter like thing that was external to the board and not very clean. This thing is kind of cool and keeps the same footprint of the board. Joe On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 7:05 PM, wrote: > Submerse it in mineral oil and seal it in an old paint can. > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2018 5:55 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring > > I doubt your app would require a fan since you won't be pushing the > processor that hard. > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 5:55 PM Robert wrote: > >> Seems like a fan is defeating the whole purpose of a Pi board... >> >> On 8/27/18 12:38 PM, Joe Novak wrote: >> > I just saw this on slashdot: https://www.raspberrypi.org/ >> products/poe-hat/ >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:43 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >> > mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Ok, that makes more sense. >> > >> > My initial assumption was that you were doing some automated >> > management at the site, i.e. rebooting radios, etc via script >> > control. I'm trying to figure out what is interesting for people >> > to control automatically so I can make sure those features make it >> > into either the first or an early release. >> > >> > For what you're doing, I'd definitely start with the Pi. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 7:20 PM, David Coudron >> > mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com >> >> >> > wrote: >> > >> > That’s right. We have this running in our NOC as a backup only >> > if the local ones fail. Our DIAs are geographically dispersed >> > so the thought is we run these in the DIA and some other key >> > towers for their local subnets only since we don’t backhaul our >> > traffic from the different regions to the NOC, we dump it on the >> > Internet close to the tower groupings. If these monitors fail >> > for some reason, we fire up the one in the NOC that is connected >> > to those subnets through VPN. We are looking for cheap and >> > small foot print since we have a very feasible backup we can >> > kick in easily. >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > *From:*30141712500n behalf of >> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 6:55 PM >> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> > >> > >> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring >> > >> > >> > >> > Probably what a lot of us would do. I kind of get the impression >> > that he wants to run these things locally? >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > bp >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > On 8/25/2018 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >> wrote: >> > >> > Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it typical >> > to run those functions in one or more servers in your >> noc? >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 3:05 PM David Coudron >> > > > <
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
Submerse it in mineral oil and seal it in an old paint can. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 5:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring I doubt your app would require a fan since you won't be pushing the processor that hard. On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 5:55 PM Robert wrote: Seems like a fan is defeating the whole purpose of a Pi board... On 8/27/18 12:38 PM, Joe Novak wrote: > I just saw this on slashdot: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/ > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:43 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote: > > Ok, that makes more sense. > > My initial assumption was that you were doing some automated > management at the site, i.e. rebooting radios, etc via script > control. I'm trying to figure out what is interesting for people > to control automatically so I can make sure those features make it > into either the first or an early release. > > For what you're doing, I'd definitely start with the Pi. > > > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 7:20 PM, David Coudron > mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> > wrote: > > That’s right. We have this running in our NOC as a backup only > if the local ones fail. Our DIAs are geographically dispersed > so the thought is we run these in the DIA and some other key > towers for their local subnets only since we don’t backhaul our > traffic from the different regions to the NOC, we dump it on the > Internet close to the tower groupings. If these monitors fail > for some reason, we fire up the one in the NOC that is connected > to those subnets through VPN. We are looking for cheap and > small foot print since we have a very feasible backup we can > kick in easily. > > __ __ > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > > > > > *From:*30141712500n behalf of > *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 6:55 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring > > > > Probably what a lot of us would do. I kind of get the impression > that he wants to run these things locally? > > __ __ > > bp > > > > __ __ > > On 8/25/2018 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: > > Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it typical > to run those functions in one or more servers in your noc? > > __ __ > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 3:05 PM David Coudron > <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote: > > OK, sounds like we need to get our hands on a PI and > start messing with it. Our monitoring is mostly going > to be IP based stuff. We are implementing Sonar and > need it to run the Poller client. So we will be ping > devices and doing SNMP pulls. We may also have it do > some other scripted stuff, but haven’t really dug into > that much. > > > > Once we have a Linux device in these sites, I am sure > there is more that we could be doing with it than what > we monitor/control today. > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > *From:* AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Forrest > Christian (List Account) > *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 3:04 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring > > > > Raspberry pi should be robust enough, the only issue > would be sd card durability if you don't pick a good
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
I doubt your app would require a fan since you won't be pushing the processor that hard. On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 5:55 PM Robert wrote: > Seems like a fan is defeating the whole purpose of a Pi board... > > On 8/27/18 12:38 PM, Joe Novak wrote: > > I just saw this on slashdot: > https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/ > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:43 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > > mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote: > > > > Ok, that makes more sense. > > > > My initial assumption was that you were doing some automated > > management at the site, i.e. rebooting radios, etc via script > > control. I'm trying to figure out what is interesting for people > > to control automatically so I can make sure those features make it > > into either the first or an early release. > > > > For what you're doing, I'd definitely start with the Pi. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 7:20 PM, David Coudron > > mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> > > wrote: > > > > That’s right. We have this running in our NOC as a backup only > > if the local ones fail. Our DIAs are geographically dispersed > > so the thought is we run these in the DIA and some other key > > towers for their local subnets only since we don’t backhaul our > > traffic from the different regions to the NOC, we dump it on the > > Internet close to the tower groupings. If these monitors fail > > for some reason, we fire up the one in the NOC that is connected > > to those subnets through VPN. We are looking for cheap and > > small foot print since we have a very feasible backup we can > > kick in easily. > > > > __ __ > > > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > *From:*30141712500n behalf of > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 6:55 PM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring > > > > > > > > Probably what a lot of us would do. I kind of get the impression > > that he wants to run these things locally? > > > > __ __ > > > > bp > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > On 8/25/2018 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: > > > > Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it typical > > to run those functions in one or more servers in your > noc? > > > > __ __ > > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 3:05 PM David Coudron > > > <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote: > > > > OK, sounds like we need to get our hands on a PI and > > start messing with it. Our monitoring is mostly going > > to be IP based stuff. We are implementing Sonar and > > need it to run the Poller client. So we will be ping > > devices and doing SNMP pulls. We may also have it do > > some other scripted stuff, but haven’t really dug into > > that much. > > > > > > > > Once we have a Linux device in these sites, I am sure > > there is more that we could be doing with it than what > > we monitor/control today. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* AF > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Forrest > > Christian (List Account) > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 3:04 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring > > > > > > > > Raspberry pi should be robu
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
Seems like a fan is defeating the whole purpose of a Pi board...
On 8/27/18 12:38 PM, Joe Novak wrote:
I just saw this on slashdot: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/
On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:43 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
Ok, that makes more sense.
My initial assumption was that you were doing some automated
management at the site, i.e. rebooting radios, etc via script
control. I'm trying to figure out what is interesting for people
to control automatically so I can make sure those features make it
into either the first or an early release.
For what you're doing, I'd definitely start with the Pi.
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 7:20 PM, David Coudron
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
wrote:
That’s right. We have this running in our NOC as a backup only
if the local ones fail. Our DIAs are geographically dispersed
so the thought is we run these in the DIA and some other key
towers for their local subnets only since we don’t backhaul our
traffic from the different regions to the NOC, we dump it on the
Internet close to the tower groupings. If these monitors fail
for some reason, we fire up the one in the NOC that is connected
to those subnets through VPN. We are looking for cheap and
small foot print since we have a very feasible backup we can
kick in easily.
__ __
Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
*From:*30141712500n behalf of
*Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 6:55 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
Probably what a lot of us would do. I kind of get the impression
that he wants to run these things locally?
__ __
bp
__ __
On 8/25/2018 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it typical
to run those functions in one or more servers in your noc?
__ __
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 3:05 PM David Coudron
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
OK, sounds like we need to get our hands on a PI and
start messing with it. Our monitoring is mostly going
to be IP based stuff. We are implementing Sonar and
need it to run the Poller client. So we will be ping
devices and doing SNMP pulls. We may also have it do
some other scripted stuff, but haven’t really dug into
that much.
Once we have a Linux device in these sites, I am sure
there is more that we could be doing with it than what
we monitor/control today.
Regards,
David Coudron
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Forrest
Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 3:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
Raspberry pi should be robust enough, the only issue
would be sd card durability if you don't pick a good
quality card and take care to mount the drives with sd
friendly mount options.
To somewhat hijack the discussion, I'm interested in
what you plan to monitor on site. The reason is that
I'm currently doing product definition work for our next
generation in caninet monitoring platform which is going
to include a lot of the functionality that would
normally be reserved for the noc. Mainly want to know
what people are looking for in this type of solution.
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 8:10 AM David Coudron
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
We are considering adding a small Linux based
PC/device into our cabinets to run a variety of
monitoring services. There are lots of small
computing options out there, but we haven’t stumbled
across a solution that seems to provide the fit we
are looking for. Here i
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
I just saw this on slashdot: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/ On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:43 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Ok, that makes more sense. > > My initial assumption was that you were doing some automated management at > the site, i.e. rebooting radios, etc via script control. I'm trying to > figure out what is interesting for people to control automatically so I can > make sure those features make it into either the first or an early release. > > For what you're doing, I'd definitely start with the Pi. > > > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 7:20 PM, David Coudron < > david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote: > >> That’s right. We have this running in our NOC as a backup only if the >> local ones fail. Our DIAs are geographically dispersed so the thought is >> we run these in the DIA and some other key towers for their local subnets >> only since we don’t backhaul our traffic from the different regions to the >> NOC, we dump it on the Internet close to the tower groupings. If these >> monitors fail for some reason, we fire up the one in the NOC that is >> connected to those subnets through VPN. We are looking for cheap and >> small foot print since we have a very feasible backup we can kick in >> easily. >> >> >> >> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >> >> >> ------------------ >> >> *From:* 30141712500n behalf of >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 6:55 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring >> >> >> >> Probably what a lot of us would do. I kind of get the impression that he >> wants to run these things locally? >> >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8/25/2018 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: >> >> Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it typical to run those >> functions in one or more servers in your noc? >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 3:05 PM David Coudron >> wrote: >> >> OK, sounds like we need to get our hands on a PI and start messing with >> it. Our monitoring is mostly going to be IP based stuff. We are >> implementing Sonar and need it to run the Poller client. So we will be >> ping devices and doing SNMP pulls. We may also have it do some other >> scripted stuff, but haven’t really dug into that much. >> >> >> >> Once we have a Linux device in these sites, I am sure there is more that >> we could be doing with it than what we monitor/control today. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> David Coudron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian >> (List Account) >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 3:04 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring >> >> >> >> Raspberry pi should be robust enough, the only issue would be sd card >> durability if you don't pick a good quality card and take care to mount the >> drives with sd friendly mount options. >> >> >> >> To somewhat hijack the discussion, I'm interested in what you plan to >> monitor on site. The reason is that I'm currently doing product definition >> work for our next generation in caninet monitoring platform which is going >> to include a lot of the functionality that would normally be reserved for >> the noc. Mainly want to know what people are looking for in this type of >> solution. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 8:10 AM David Coudron >> wrote: >> >> We are considering adding a small Linux based PC/device into our cabinets >> to run a variety of monitoring services. There are lots of small >> computing options out there, but we haven’t stumbled across a solution that >> seems to provide the fit we are looking for. Here is a list of desired >> features: >> >>1. Support for Ubuntu 16.04 >>2. POE powered, either 24 or 48 V will work >>3. Small form factor, DIN Rail mounted would be ideal >>4. Cheap – We think there is reasonably priced stuff out there, but >>haven’t found it yet. There are industrial versions of these things, but >>we don’t need that reliability or durability >> >> >> >> Some things that aren’t important to us: >> >>1. Durability – we have backup monitoring running in our NOC so if we >&g
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
Ok, that makes more sense. My initial assumption was that you were doing some automated management at the site, i.e. rebooting radios, etc via script control. I'm trying to figure out what is interesting for people to control automatically so I can make sure those features make it into either the first or an early release. For what you're doing, I'd definitely start with the Pi. On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 7:20 PM, David Coudron wrote: > That’s right. We have this running in our NOC as a backup only if the > local ones fail. Our DIAs are geographically dispersed so the thought is > we run these in the DIA and some other key towers for their local subnets > only since we don’t backhaul our traffic from the different regions to the > NOC, we dump it on the Internet close to the tower groupings. If these > monitors fail for some reason, we fire up the one in the NOC that is > connected to those subnets through VPN. We are looking for cheap and > small foot print since we have a very feasible backup we can kick in > easily. > > > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > > -- > > *From:* 30141712500n behalf of > *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 6:55 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring > > > > Probably what a lot of us would do. I kind of get the impression that he > wants to run these things locally? > > > > bp > > > > > > On 8/25/2018 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: > > Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it typical to run those > functions in one or more servers in your noc? > > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 3:05 PM David Coudron > wrote: > > OK, sounds like we need to get our hands on a PI and start messing with > it. Our monitoring is mostly going to be IP based stuff. We are > implementing Sonar and need it to run the Poller client. So we will be > ping devices and doing SNMP pulls. We may also have it do some other > scripted stuff, but haven’t really dug into that much. > > > > Once we have a Linux device in these sites, I am sure there is more that > we could be doing with it than what we monitor/control today. > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian > (List Account) > *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 3:04 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring > > > > Raspberry pi should be robust enough, the only issue would be sd card > durability if you don't pick a good quality card and take care to mount the > drives with sd friendly mount options. > > > > To somewhat hijack the discussion, I'm interested in what you plan to > monitor on site. The reason is that I'm currently doing product definition > work for our next generation in caninet monitoring platform which is going > to include a lot of the functionality that would normally be reserved for > the noc. Mainly want to know what people are looking for in this type of > solution. > > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 8:10 AM David Coudron > wrote: > > We are considering adding a small Linux based PC/device into our cabinets > to run a variety of monitoring services. There are lots of small > computing options out there, but we haven’t stumbled across a solution that > seems to provide the fit we are looking for. Here is a list of desired > features: > >1. Support for Ubuntu 16.04 >2. POE powered, either 24 or 48 V will work >3. Small form factor, DIN Rail mounted would be ideal >4. Cheap – We think there is reasonably priced stuff out there, but >haven’t found it yet. There are industrial versions of these things, but >we don’t need that reliability or durability > > > > Some things that aren’t important to us: > >1. Durability – we have backup monitoring running in our NOC so if we >lose one of these we can run indefinitely without it >2. High Performance – any moderate level platform will do, it is just >monitoring >3. Gigabit Ethernet – 100 Mbit is fine >4. Bluetooth/Wifi or video support - As long as we can get Linux >installed and log into it remotely we are fine. > > > > We keep looking at the Raspberry PI platform, but are not sure that either > the performance/compatibility under Ubuntu will be OK. Anyone have any > luck with a moderately priced solution for this kind of thing? > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
That's right. We have this running in our NOC as a backup only if the local ones fail. Our DIAs are geographically dispersed so the thought is we run these in the DIA and some other key towers for their local subnets only since we don't backhaul our traffic from the different regions to the NOC, we dump it on the Internet close to the tower groupings. If these monitors fail for some reason, we fire up the one in the NOC that is connected to those subnets through VPN. We are looking for cheap and small foot print since we have a very feasible backup we can kick in easily. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: 30141712500n behalf of Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 6:55 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring Probably what a lot of us would do. I kind of get the impression that he wants to run these things locally? bp On 8/25/2018 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it typical to run those functions in one or more servers in your noc? On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 3:05 PM David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote: OK, sounds like we need to get our hands on a PI and start messing with it. Our monitoring is mostly going to be IP based stuff. We are implementing Sonar and need it to run the Poller client. So we will be ping devices and doing SNMP pulls. We may also have it do some other scripted stuff, but haven't really dug into that much. Once we have a Linux device in these sites, I am sure there is more that we could be doing with it than what we monitor/control today. Regards, David Coudron From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 3:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring Raspberry pi should be robust enough, the only issue would be sd card durability if you don't pick a good quality card and take care to mount the drives with sd friendly mount options. To somewhat hijack the discussion, I'm interested in what you plan to monitor on site. The reason is that I'm currently doing product definition work for our next generation in caninet monitoring platform which is going to include a lot of the functionality that would normally be reserved for the noc. Mainly want to know what people are looking for in this type of solution. On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 8:10 AM David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote: We are considering adding a small Linux based PC/device into our cabinets to run a variety of monitoring services. There are lots of small computing options out there, but we haven't stumbled across a solution that seems to provide the fit we are looking for. Here is a list of desired features: 1. Support for Ubuntu 16.04 2. POE powered, either 24 or 48 V will work 3. Small form factor, DIN Rail mounted would be ideal 4. Cheap - We think there is reasonably priced stuff out there, but haven't found it yet. There are industrial versions of these things, but we don't need that reliability or durability Some things that aren't important to us: 1. Durability - we have backup monitoring running in our NOC so if we lose one of these we can run indefinitely without it 2. High Performance - any moderate level platform will do, it is just monitoring 3. Gigabit Ethernet - 100 Mbit is fine 4. Bluetooth/Wifi or video support - As long as we can get Linux installed and log into it remotely we are fine. We keep looking at the Raspberry PI platform, but are not sure that either the performance/compatibility under Ubuntu will be OK. Anyone have any luck with a moderately priced solution for this kind of thing? Regards, David Coudron -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
Probably what a lot of us would do. I kind of get the impression
that he wants to run these things locally?
bp
On 8/25/2018 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian
(List Account) wrote:
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't
it typical to run those functions in one or more servers in your
noc?
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 3:05 PM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
wrote:
OK, sounds like we need to get our
hands on a PI and start messing with it. Our
monitoring is mostly going to be IP based stuff. We
are implementing Sonar and need it to run the Poller
client. So we will be ping devices and doing SNMP
pulls. We may also have it do some other scripted
stuff, but haven’t really dug into that much.
Once we have a Linux device in these
sites, I am sure there is more that we could be doing
with it than what we monitor/control today.
Regards,
David Coudron
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of
Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 3:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for
monitoring
Raspberry pi should be robust
enough, the only issue would be sd card durability if
you don't pick a good quality card and take care to
mount the drives with sd friendly mount options.
To somewhat hijack the
discussion, I'm interested in what you plan to
monitor on site. The reason is that I'm currently
doing product definition work for our next
generation in caninet monitoring platform which is
going to include a lot of the functionality that
would normally be reserved for the noc. Mainly
want to know what people are looking for in this
type of solution.
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 8:10 AM
David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
wrote:
We are considering adding a
small Linux based PC/device into our cabinets to
run a variety of monitoring services. There
are lots of small computing options out there,
but we haven’t stumbled across a solution that
seems to provide the fit we are looking for.
Here is a list of desired features:
Support for Ubuntu 16.04
POE powered, either 24 or 48 V will work
Small form factor, DIN Rail mounted would be
ideal
Cheap – We think there is reasonably priced
stuff out there, but haven’t found it yet.
There are industrial versions of these things,
but we don’t need that reliability or
durability
Some things that aren’t
important to us:
Durability – we have backup monitoring running
in our NOC so if we lose one of these we can
run indefinitely without it
High Performance – any moderate level platform
will do, it is just monitoring
Gigabit Ethernet – 100 Mbit is fine
Bluetooth/Wifi or video support - As long as
we can get Linux installed and log into it
remotely we are fine.
We keep looking at the
Raspberry PI pl
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it typical to run those functions in one or more servers in your noc? On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 3:05 PM David Coudron wrote: > OK, sounds like we need to get our hands on a PI and start messing with > it. Our monitoring is mostly going to be IP based stuff. We are > implementing Sonar and need it to run the Poller client. So we will be > ping devices and doing SNMP pulls. We may also have it do some other > scripted stuff, but haven’t really dug into that much. > > > > Once we have a Linux device in these sites, I am sure there is more that > we could be doing with it than what we monitor/control today. > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Forrest Christian > (List Account) > *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2018 3:04 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring > > > > Raspberry pi should be robust enough, the only issue would be sd card > durability if you don't pick a good quality card and take care to mount the > drives with sd friendly mount options. > > > > To somewhat hijack the discussion, I'm interested in what you plan to > monitor on site. The reason is that I'm currently doing product definition > work for our next generation in caninet monitoring platform which is going > to include a lot of the functionality that would normally be reserved for > the noc. Mainly want to know what people are looking for in this type of > solution. > > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 8:10 AM David Coudron > wrote: > > We are considering adding a small Linux based PC/device into our cabinets > to run a variety of monitoring services. There are lots of small > computing options out there, but we haven’t stumbled across a solution that > seems to provide the fit we are looking for. Here is a list of desired > features: > >1. Support for Ubuntu 16.04 >2. POE powered, either 24 or 48 V will work >3. Small form factor, DIN Rail mounted would be ideal >4. Cheap – We think there is reasonably priced stuff out there, but >haven’t found it yet. There are industrial versions of these things, but >we don’t need that reliability or durability > > > > Some things that aren’t important to us: > >1. Durability – we have backup monitoring running in our NOC so if we >lose one of these we can run indefinitely without it >2. High Performance – any moderate level platform will do, it is just >monitoring >3. Gigabit Ethernet – 100 Mbit is fine >4. Bluetooth/Wifi or video support - As long as we can get Linux >installed and log into it remotely we are fine. > > > > We keep looking at the Raspberry PI platform, but are not sure that either > the performance/compatibility under Ubuntu will be OK. Anyone have any > luck with a moderately priced solution for this kind of thing? > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
OK, sounds like we need to get our hands on a PI and start messing with it. Our monitoring is mostly going to be IP based stuff. We are implementing Sonar and need it to run the Poller client. So we will be ping devices and doing SNMP pulls. We may also have it do some other scripted stuff, but haven’t really dug into that much. Once we have a Linux device in these sites, I am sure there is more that we could be doing with it than what we monitor/control today. Regards, David Coudron From: AF On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 3:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring Raspberry pi should be robust enough, the only issue would be sd card durability if you don't pick a good quality card and take care to mount the drives with sd friendly mount options. To somewhat hijack the discussion, I'm interested in what you plan to monitor on site. The reason is that I'm currently doing product definition work for our next generation in caninet monitoring platform which is going to include a lot of the functionality that would normally be reserved for the noc. Mainly want to know what people are looking for in this type of solution. On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 8:10 AM David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote: We are considering adding a small Linux based PC/device into our cabinets to run a variety of monitoring services. There are lots of small computing options out there, but we haven’t stumbled across a solution that seems to provide the fit we are looking for. Here is a list of desired features: 1. Support for Ubuntu 16.04 2. POE powered, either 24 or 48 V will work 3. Small form factor, DIN Rail mounted would be ideal 4. Cheap – We think there is reasonably priced stuff out there, but haven’t found it yet. There are industrial versions of these things, but we don’t need that reliability or durability Some things that aren’t important to us: 1. Durability – we have backup monitoring running in our NOC so if we lose one of these we can run indefinitely without it 2. High Performance – any moderate level platform will do, it is just monitoring 3. Gigabit Ethernet – 100 Mbit is fine 4. Bluetooth/Wifi or video support - As long as we can get Linux installed and log into it remotely we are fine. We keep looking at the Raspberry PI platform, but are not sure that either the performance/compatibility under Ubuntu will be OK. Anyone have any luck with a moderately priced solution for this kind of thing? Regards, David Coudron -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
Raspberry pi should be robust enough, the only issue would be sd card durability if you don't pick a good quality card and take care to mount the drives with sd friendly mount options. To somewhat hijack the discussion, I'm interested in what you plan to monitor on site. The reason is that I'm currently doing product definition work for our next generation in caninet monitoring platform which is going to include a lot of the functionality that would normally be reserved for the noc. Mainly want to know what people are looking for in this type of solution. On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 8:10 AM David Coudron wrote: > We are considering adding a small Linux based PC/device into our cabinets > to run a variety of monitoring services. There are lots of small > computing options out there, but we haven’t stumbled across a solution that > seems to provide the fit we are looking for. Here is a list of desired > features: > >1. Support for Ubuntu 16.04 >2. POE powered, either 24 or 48 V will work >3. Small form factor, DIN Rail mounted would be ideal >4. Cheap – We think there is reasonably priced stuff out there, but >haven’t found it yet. There are industrial versions of these things, but >we don’t need that reliability or durability > > > > Some things that aren’t important to us: > >1. Durability – we have backup monitoring running in our NOC so if we >lose one of these we can run indefinitely without it >2. High Performance – any moderate level platform will do, it is just >monitoring >3. Gigabit Ethernet – 100 Mbit is fine >4. Bluetooth/Wifi or video support - As long as we can get Linux >installed and log into it remotely we are fine. > > > > We keep looking at the Raspberry PI platform, but are not sure that either > the performance/compatibility under Ubuntu will be OK. Anyone have any > luck with a moderately priced solution for this kind of thing? > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] POE powered PC for monitoring
Raspberry pi world be my first thought as well, I'm pretty sure compatibility/performance is there for Ubuntu. On Saturday, August 25, 2018, David Coudron wrote: > We are considering adding a small Linux based PC/device into our cabinets > to run a variety of monitoring services. There are lots of small > computing options out there, but we haven’t stumbled across a solution that > seems to provide the fit we are looking for. Here is a list of desired > features: > >1. Support for Ubuntu 16.04 >2. POE powered, either 24 or 48 V will work >3. Small form factor, DIN Rail mounted would be ideal >4. Cheap – We think there is reasonably priced stuff out there, but >haven’t found it yet. There are industrial versions of these things, but >we don’t need that reliability or durability > > > > Some things that aren’t important to us: > >1. Durability – we have backup monitoring running in our NOC so if we >lose one of these we can run indefinitely without it >2. High Performance – any moderate level platform will do, it is just >monitoring >3. Gigabit Ethernet – 100 Mbit is fine >4. Bluetooth/Wifi or video support - As long as we can get Linux >installed and log into it remotely we are fine. > > > > We keep looking at the Raspberry PI platform, but are not sure that either > the performance/compatibility under Ubuntu will be OK. Anyone have any > luck with a moderately priced solution for this kind of thing? > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
