Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Jaime Solorza]

UFC style...I don't pull punches or kicks

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 4:53 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Sounds like a grounding fight in texas needs to go down. Tamales and
> ground rods.
> The big question is it ufc or wwe style?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 4:10 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Au contraire ...the top comes of for visual inspections...not our first
>> rodeo..
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 2:39 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Inspector is gonna say dig it up, you can't see the acorn! :P
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 1:28 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We don't have no stinky trip hazards
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 9:30 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Says the electrical inspector.  It is right up against the home, so
>>>>> not a trip hazard.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 9:26 AM
>>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>>>
>>>>> Says who?  That's a trip hazard.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:13 AM Chuck McCown 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gotta have that top of the round rod with the acorn nut visible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:45 AM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not just stick the wire into the ground and cover it up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:33 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw
>>>>>>> was my friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Steve Jones]

Sounds like a grounding fight in texas needs to go down. Tamales and ground
rods.
The big question is it ufc or wwe style?


On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 4:10 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Au contraire ...the top comes of for visual inspections...not our first
> rodeo..
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 2:39 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Inspector is gonna say dig it up, you can't see the acorn! :P
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 1:28 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We don't have no stinky trip hazards
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 9:30 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Says the electrical inspector.  It is right up against the home, so not
>>>> a trip hazard.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 9:26 AM
>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>>
>>>> Says who?  That's a trip hazard.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:13 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gotta have that top of the round rod with the acorn nut visible.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:45 AM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not just stick the wire into the ground and cover it up?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:33 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw
>>>>>> was my friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Jaime Solorza]

Au contraire ...the top comes of for visual inspections...not our first
rodeo..

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 2:39 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Inspector is gonna say dig it up, you can't see the acorn! :P
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 1:28 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We don't have no stinky trip hazards
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 9:30 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Says the electrical inspector.  It is right up against the home, so not
>>> a trip hazard.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 9:26 AM
>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>
>>> Says who?  That's a trip hazard.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:13 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gotta have that top of the round rod with the acorn nut visible.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:45 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>>
>>>> Why not just stick the wire into the ground and cover it up?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:33 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw
>>>>> was my friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Josh Luthman]

Inspector is gonna say dig it up, you can't see the acorn! :P

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 1:28 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We don't have no stinky trip hazards
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 9:30 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Says the electrical inspector.  It is right up against the home, so not a
>> trip hazard.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 9:26 AM
>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>
>> Says who?  That's a trip hazard.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:13 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Gotta have that top of the round rod with the acorn nut visible.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:45 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>
>>> Why not just stick the wire into the ground and cover it up?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:33 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw
>>>> was my friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>>
>>>> Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza <
>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Jaime Solorza]

It passes code

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 8:27 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Chuck McCown via AF]

My boss also would see them at times.  I had to at least try to do it right.  
And I did, but in Oregon, central Oregon, sometimes the rocks start 1 inch 
below the dirt.  Lots of 12” grounds rods pounded in 6” up there.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 9:32 AM
To: Chuck McCown 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

That guy's a douche.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:29 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Says the electrical inspector.  It is right up against the home, so not a 
trip hazard.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 9:26 AM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

  Says who?  That's a trip hazard.

  On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:13 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Gotta have that top of the round rod with the acorn nut visible.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

Why not just stick the wire into the ground and cover it up?

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:33 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

  When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw was 
my friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

  Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?

  On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?

  On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Josh Luthman]

That guy's a douche.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:29 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Says the electrical inspector.  It is right up against the home, so not a
> trip hazard.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 9:26 AM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>
> Says who?  That's a trip hazard.
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:13 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Gotta have that top of the round rod with the acorn nut visible.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:45 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>
>> Why not just stick the wire into the ground and cover it up?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:33 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw was
>>> my friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>
>>> Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Says the electrical inspector.  It is right up against the home, so not a trip 
hazard.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 9:26 AM
To: Chuck McCown 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

Says who?  That's a trip hazard.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:13 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Gotta have that top of the round rod with the acorn nut visible.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:45 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

  Why not just stick the wire into the ground and cover it up?

  On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:33 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw was my 
friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...

  On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

$1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?

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  Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Josh Luthman]

Says who?  That's a trip hazard.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 11:13 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Gotta have that top of the round rod with the acorn nut visible.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:45 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>
> Why not just stick the wire into the ground and cover it up?
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:33 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw was
>> my friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>
>> Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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[Chuck McCown via AF]

Gotta have that top of the round rod with the acorn nut visible.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

Why not just stick the wire into the ground and cover it up?

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:33 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw was my 
friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

  Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?

  On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?

  On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza 
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Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Steve Jones]

I can ship you some Illinois soil. nice soft, rich, just dump a line of it
there and youre good. Vertical grounds are for the poors, get with 2022,
horizontal grounding is where its at


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> Why not just stick the wire into the ground and cover it up?
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:33 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw was
>> my friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>
>> Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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Why not just stick the wire into the ground and cover it up?

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:33 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw was
> my friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>
> Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Even with drill, driving the grounding rod was tough..
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When I was a young installer/lineman  for the local telco, a hacksaw was my 
friend when installing ground rods in rocky soil...

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 8:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...

  On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman  
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$1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?

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[Josh Luthman]

Do you even get any good grounding in that kind of material?

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:13 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman 
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>
>> $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?
>>
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[Jaime Solorza]

Caliche and rocks..desert area near Franklin mountains...

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 7:15 AM Josh Luthman 
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> $1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jaime Solorza 
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$1400 SDS Max and it was tough?!  What in the world is down there?

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[Jaime Solorza]

Yep...I agree

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021, 8:54 AM Brian Webster  wrote:

> Nice work as always Jamie. I have always thought there should be more use
> of good simple SCADA systems and not over complicate things with the
> perceived need for high speed broadband connections to the locations all of
> the time. Too many people just don’t understand how a good SCADA system
> works.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 7, 2021 9:22 PM
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[Brian Webster]

Nice work as always Jamie. I have always thought there should be more use of 
good simple SCADA systems and not over complicate things with the perceived 
need for high speed broadband connections to the locations all of the time. Too 
many people just don’t understand how a good SCADA system works.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

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We have six more to go before end of December...

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[Jaime Solorza]

Yep...

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, 7:31 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> You've got 24 calendar days left Pilgrem. That's 4 days each without
> subtracting for weekends and holidays.
>
> Good luck!
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You've got 24 calendar days left Pilgrem. That's 4 days each without
subtracting for weekends and holidays.

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[Chuck McCown via AF]

Mostly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> Better?
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 6:29 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
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>> It was a picture of a picture..
>> Critic
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought you threw that phone away.
>>> 
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 13, 2021 3:36 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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>>> 
>>> Yep...form fit and function
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[Jaime Solorza]

It was a picture of a picture..
Critic

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 5:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I thought you threw that phone away.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
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I thought you threw that phone away.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 3:36 PM
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Yep...form fit and function



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Good money maker as not much local competitionwe could make allot more
in New Mexico but our Engineer does not like to travel...I can
empathize..working out of town got old and missed allot of my children's
events...when I do take out of town gigs, I charge high...

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> 12 guy-days.  Sound about right.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
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>
> Three guys.  Four days 9-4, hour lunch.
>
> More to come
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>
>
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> It’s hard to realize the amount of labor in a project like that until you
> try to do one yourself.  How many man-hours or person-hours or person-days
> or whatever do you think went into building that?
>
>
>
>
>
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12 guy-days.  Sound about right.

 

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Three guys.  Four days 9-4, hour lunch.

More to come

 

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It’s hard to realize the amount of labor in a project like that until you try 
to do one yourself.  How many man-hours or person-hours or person-days or 
whatever do you think went into building that?

 

 

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Last year but damn we kicked ass..

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After we get drawings and make sure all the parts are in stock, we lay out
back panel...we layout as much of the components on it as possible to
determine positioning...DC vs AC is decided first.  One we have rough idea,
we use pencil marks to start measurements for Din rail...one guy cuts the
rail as another one starts to drill holes for screws..once Din rail in
place we clean panel of cutting oil, drill debris and pencil marks...two
guys start attaching components and terminal blocks as per drawings...the
other guy is printing plastic labels for terminal blocks...once relays
,fuses, jumpers and PLC parts are installed, we install power supplies, UPS
, battery and AC outlets.
Then we start wiring AC power side...use deadman plug to test.
Then we start wiring longest runs first while adding labels ... wiring
takes the longest...after all wiring is complete, we test each run for
continuity and Meg them... every run result is recorded...then we run DC
power where needed...once everything wired and powered, we connect a laptop
to PLC and our engineer runs stimulations throughout every circuit...
NO/NC/Timers etc...if everything passes, we disconnect fuse for batteries.
Clean everything and wrapped fully loaded back panel.
At site, our crew installs into enclosures... we don't let electricians do
it...too much risk ..
Once in, we start landing wires from equipment along with labeling and
testing.
It's a 5 man shop but three on panel is most efficient.

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> It’s hard to realize the amount of labor in a project like that until you
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> or whatever do you think went into building that?
>
>
>
>
>
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Three guys.  Four days 9-4, hour lunch.
More to come

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> It’s hard to realize the amount of labor in a project like that until you
> try to do one yourself.  How many man-hours or person-hours or person-days
> or whatever do you think went into building that?
>
>
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[Ken Hohhof]

It’s hard to realize the amount of labor in a project like that until you try 
to do one yourself.  How many man-hours or person-hours or person-days or 
whatever do you think went into building that?

 

 

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[Nate Burke]

A lot of the farmers around us do that for their driers/augers.   A big 
box of equipment is installed, and the motors run smoother and quieter.


On 1/22/2019 1:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Interesting. I think a freind of mine that owns a cotton gin did the 
same and supposedly saved a bunch. He really didin't know enough to 
explain what they actually installed or were supposed to do but I bet 
that was it. Lots of 3 phase stuff in a cotton gin. Big motors. I 
thought he said they were big caps but I can't imagine them being big 
enough for those kind of loads. They would be huge.


On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:13 PM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


I ran into one production facility that was out of power in an
industrial area of town.  The power company could not easily
upgrade them for less than a huge fortune.
A local company came in and did some harmonic filter magic and now
there was more power available for more machines.
I think it also helped their power bill.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Saturday, January 19, 2019 1:58 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
Ha... client is El Paso Electric at Newman power plant...I doubt
they really care...these are for the ponds between plant and
largest solar farm in area..the ponds are designed to keep the
water from seeping into ground water.
On Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 4:26 AM Lewis Bergman
 wrote:

A Google search comes up with a device from Legend Power
Systems that is basically a step down transformer,
claiming that by reducing the AC voltage you will save
power.  That sounds like B.S. to me, unless all your loads
are incandescent light bulbs.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime
Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:47 PM
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Yes...keeps power clean...

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Interesting. I think a freind of mine that owns a cotton gin did the same
and supposedly saved a bunch. He really didin't know enough to explain what
they actually installed or were supposed to do but I bet that was it. Lots
of 3 phase stuff in a cotton gin. Big motors. I thought he said they were
big caps but I can't imagine them being big enough for those kind of loads.
They would be huge.

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:13 PM  wrote:

> I ran into one production facility that was out of power in an industrial
> area of town.  The power company could not easily upgrade them for less
> than a huge fortune.
> A local company came in and did some harmonic filter magic and now there
> was more power available for more machines.
> I think it also helped their power bill.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 19, 2019 1:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
> Ha... client is El Paso Electric at Newman power plant...I doubt they
> really care...these are for the ponds between plant and largest solar farm
> in area..the ponds are designed to keep the water from seeping into ground
> water.
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 4:26 AM Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>
>> I agree. Cleaning up power I can understand but facing money? You are
>> paying for watts so you are just losing money on the inefficiency of the
>> transformer.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 5:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> A Google search comes up with a device from Legend Power Systems that is
>>> basically a step down transformer, claiming that by reducing the AC voltage
>>> you will save power.  That sounds like B.S. to me, unless all your loads
>>> are incandescent light bulbs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:47 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes...keeps power clean...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 12:32 PM >>
>>> What does a harmonizer do?  Cut down on harmonics?  I know that in some
>>> situation harmonics can cause a power factor type of problem to the power
>>> company.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 12:27 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes...outer seal is bonded to ground inside pipefirst time we have
>>> done it this way...this enclosure has compenents we have never installed
>>> before like a harmonizer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 7:09 AM dave >>
>>> what is that ground for?? Looks like a ground to an outer seal of some
>>> sort.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/14/19 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks.  First time using the new Phoenix Contact managed switch...will
>>> share experience once we get things going... Some extra grounding was
>>> called for as per engineers...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 4:53 PM David M >>
>>> I finally got a good source for most of the interconnects,din rail and
>>> wire management stuff.
>>>
>>> I always like good clean boxes.. Awesome!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[chuck]

I ran into one production facility that was out of power in an industrial area 
of town.  The power company could not easily upgrade them for less than a huge 
fortune.
A local company came in and did some harmonic filter magic and now there was 
more power available for more machines.  
I think it also helped their power bill.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

Ha... client is El Paso Electric at Newman power plant...I doubt they really 
care...these are for the ponds between plant and largest solar farm in 
area..the ponds are designed to keep the water from seeping into ground water. 

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 4:26 AM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

A Google search comes up with a device from Legend Power Systems that is 
basically a step down transformer, claiming that by reducing the AC voltage you 
will save power.  That sounds like B.S. to me, unless all your loads are 
incandescent light bulbs.



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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:47 PM
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Ha... client is El Paso Electric at Newman power plant...I doubt they
really care...these are for the ponds between plant and largest solar farm
in area..the ponds are designed to keep the water from seeping into ground
water.

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 4:26 AM Lewis Bergman  I agree. Cleaning up power I can understand but facing money? You are
> paying for watts so you are just losing money on the inefficiency of the
> transformer.
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 5:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> A Google search comes up with a device from Legend Power Systems that is
>> basically a step down transformer, claiming that by reducing the AC voltage
>> you will save power.  That sounds like B.S. to me, unless all your loads
>> are incandescent light bulbs.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:47 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes...keeps power clean...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 12:32 PM >
>> What does a harmonizer do?  Cut down on harmonics?  I know that in some
>> situation harmonics can cause a power factor type of problem to the power
>> company.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 12:27 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes...outer seal is bonded to ground inside pipefirst time we have
>> done it this way...this enclosure has compenents we have never installed
>> before like a harmonizer.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 7:09 AM dave >
>> what is that ground for?? Looks like a ground to an outer seal of some
>> sort.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/14/19 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.  First time using the new Phoenix Contact managed switch...will
>> share experience once we get things going... Some extra grounding was
>> called for as per engineers...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 4:53 PM David M >
>> I finally got a good source for most of the interconnects,din rail and
>> wire management stuff.
>>
>> I always like good clean boxes.. Awesome!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/14/2019 3:41 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
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>> Starting year off busy...
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[Lewis Bergman]

I agree. Cleaning up power I can understand but facing money? You are
paying for watts so you are just losing money on the inefficiency of the
transformer.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 5:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> A Google search comes up with a device from Legend Power Systems that is
> basically a step down transformer, claiming that by reducing the AC voltage
> you will save power.  That sounds like B.S. to me, unless all your loads
> are incandescent light bulbs.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>
>
>
> Yes...keeps power clean...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 12:32 PM 
> What does a harmonizer do?  Cut down on harmonics?  I know that in some
> situation harmonics can cause a power factor type of problem to the power
> company.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 12:27 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>
>
>
> Yes...outer seal is bonded to ground inside pipefirst time we have
> done it this way...this enclosure has compenents we have never installed
> before like a harmonizer.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 7:09 AM dave 
> what is that ground for?? Looks like a ground to an outer seal of some
> sort.
>
>
>
> On 1/14/19 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Thanks.  First time using the new Phoenix Contact managed switch...will
> share experience once we get things going... Some extra grounding was
> called for as per engineers...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 4:53 PM David M 
> I finally got a good source for most of the interconnects,din rail and
> wire management stuff.
>
> I always like good clean boxes.. Awesome!
>
>
>
> On 1/14/2019 3:41 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Starting year off busy...
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A Google search comes up with a device from Legend Power Systems that is 
basically a step down transformer, claiming that by reducing the AC voltage you 
will save power.  That sounds like B.S. to me, unless all your loads are 
incandescent light bulbs.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

 

Yes...keeps power clean...

 

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 12:32 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

What does a harmonizer do?  Cut down on harmonics?  I know that in some 
situation harmonics can cause a power factor type of problem to the power 
company.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 12:27 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

 

Yes...outer seal is bonded to ground inside pipefirst time we have done it 
this way...this enclosure has compenents we have never installed before like a 
harmonizer.

 

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[Jaime Solorza]

Yes...keeps power clean...

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 12:32 PM  What does a harmonizer do?  Cut down on harmonics?  I know that in some
> situation harmonics can cause a power factor type of problem to the power
> company.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 12:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn
>
> Yes...outer seal is bonded to ground inside pipefirst time we have
> done it this way...this enclosure has compenents we have never installed
> before like a harmonizer.
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 7:09 AM dave 
>> what is that ground for?? Looks like a ground to an outer seal of some
>> sort.
>>
>>
>> On 1/14/19 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.  First time using the new Phoenix Contact managed switch...will
>> share experience once we get things going... Some extra grounding was
>> called for as per engineers...
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 4:53 PM David M >
>>> I finally got a good source for most of the interconnects,din rail and
>>> wire management stuff.
>>>
>>> I always like good clean boxes.. Awesome!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/14/2019 3:41 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
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[chuck]

What does a harmonizer do?  Cut down on harmonics?  I know that in some 
situation harmonics can cause a power factor type of problem to the power 
company.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

Yes...outer seal is bonded to ground inside pipefirst time we have done it 
this way...this enclosure has compenents we have never installed before like a 
harmonizer.

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[chuck]

I ran into one situation where there were two wires running up a hill on poles. 
 The customer could put power on one or the other.  At the far end they both 
controlled a little gearmotor that turned the knob on a UHF to VHF convertor.  
The VHF came back to the house on those two power lines.  Power one one wire, 
clockwise, power on the other counter clockwise

And of course the return circuit was a ground rod.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 10:47 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
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I hope the green wire ground isn’t now filling in for a missing neutral.  I 
have run into electricians out in farming country who treat ground and neutral 
as interchangeable, as in if the neutral or ground bar in the breaker panel is 
full or inconvenient or missing (as in the case of some wild leg 3 phase farm 
setups which don’t use a neutral wire), they just use the other one.  Because 
“ground is ground the world around”.  Sometimes in farmhouses they will have a 
surge strip with the fault light always on,  and you check out the wiring to 
the grounded wall outlet, and someone has just connected the ground screw to 
the white wire.

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 11:15 AM
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Always good to keep anything conductive bonded to everything else.  Shock 
prevention.  Corrosion protection.  

 

From: Nate Burke 

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:20 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

 

I think this answers the why question "Some extra grounding was called for as 
per engineers"  They probably don't actually know why it's needed.

I just involved in a building project involving a 90hp Fire alarm sprinkler 
pump.  One single power phase kept randomly going to undervoltage and setting 
the monitoring system into alarm.  The Manufacturer said "We don't know why 
it's doing it, try adding another ground wire and see what happens"  The 
Electrician said "That can't fix it, but I'll do it because you said so"  Well, 
it fixed it, for some reason that nobody really understands or has been able to 
adequately explain.  

On 1/15/2019 8:08 AM, dave wrote:

  what is that ground for?? Looks like a ground to an outer seal of some sort.

   

  On 1/14/19 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Thanks.  First time using the new Phoenix Contact managed switch...will 
share experience once we get things going... Some extra grounding was called 
for as per engineers...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Ken Hohhof]

I hope the green wire ground isn’t now filling in for a missing neutral.  I 
have run into electricians out in farming country who treat ground and neutral 
as interchangeable, as in if the neutral or ground bar in the breaker panel is 
full or inconvenient or missing (as in the case of some wild leg 3 phase farm 
setups which don’t use a neutral wire), they just use the other one.  Because 
“ground is ground the world around”.  Sometimes in farmhouses they will have a 
surge strip with the fault light always on,  and you check out the wiring to 
the grounded wall outlet, and someone has just connected the ground screw to 
the white wire.

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 11:15 AM
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Always good to keep anything conductive bonded to everything else.  Shock 
prevention.  Corrosion protection.  

 

From: Nate Burke 

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:20 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

 

I think this answers the why question "Some extra grounding was called for as 
per engineers"  They probably don't actually know why it's needed.

I just involved in a building project involving a 90hp Fire alarm sprinkler 
pump.  One single power phase kept randomly going to undervoltage and setting 
the monitoring system into alarm.  The Manufacturer said "We don't know why 
it's doing it, try adding another ground wire and see what happens"  The 
Electrician said "That can't fix it, but I'll do it because you said so"  Well, 
it fixed it, for some reason that nobody really understands or has been able to 
adequately explain.  

On 1/15/2019 8:08 AM, dave wrote:

what is that ground for?? Looks like a ground to an outer seal of some sort.

 

On 1/14/19 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Thanks.  First time using the new Phoenix Contact managed switch...will share 
experience once we get things going... Some extra grounding was called for as 
per engineers...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[chuck]

Always good to keep anything conductive bonded to everything else.  Shock 
prevention.  Corrosion protection.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

I think this answers the why question "Some extra grounding was called for as 
per engineers"  They probably don't actually know why it's needed.

I just involved in a building project involving a 90hp Fire alarm sprinkler 
pump.  One single power phase kept randomly going to undervoltage and setting 
the monitoring system into alarm.  The Manufacturer said "We don't know why 
it's doing it, try adding another ground wire and see what happens"  The 
Electrician said "That can't fix it, but I'll do it because you said so"  Well, 
it fixed it, for some reason that nobody really understands or has been able to 
adequately explain.  


On 1/15/2019 8:08 AM, dave wrote:

  what is that ground for?? Looks like a ground to an outer seal of some sort.



  On 1/14/19 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Thanks.  First time using the new Phoenix Contact managed switch...will 
share experience once we get things going... Some extra grounding was called 
for as per engineers...

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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/15/19 7:20 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I think this answers the why question "Some extra grounding was called 
for as per engineers"  They probably don't actually know why it's needed.


I just involved in a building project involving a 90hp Fire alarm 
sprinkler pump.  One single power phase kept randomly going to 
undervoltage and setting the monitoring system into alarm.  The 
Manufacturer said "We don't know why it's doing it, try adding another 
ground wire and see what happens"  The Electrician said "That can't fix 
it, but I'll do it because you said so"  Well, it fixed it, for some 
reason that nobody really understands or has been able to adequately 
explain.




It'll eliminate potential difference. Now, exactly what problems that 
can resolve or that may never be seen is usually random guessing. But, 
when a voltage potential happens it will go somewhere and undesirable 
things can happen if that somewhere is a signal line, so you keep it at 
ground (or equal to the rest of the system).


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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[Nate Burke]

I think this answers the why question "Some extra grounding was called 
for as per engineers"  They probably don't actually know why it's needed.


I just involved in a building project involving a 90hp Fire alarm 
sprinkler pump.  One single power phase kept randomly going to 
undervoltage and setting the monitoring system into alarm.  The 
Manufacturer said "We don't know why it's doing it, try adding another 
ground wire and see what happens"  The Electrician said "That can't fix 
it, but I'll do it because you said so"  Well, it fixed it, for some 
reason that nobody really understands or has been able to adequately 
explain.


On 1/15/2019 8:08 AM, dave wrote:


what is that ground for?? Looks like a ground to an outer seal of some 
sort.



On 1/14/19 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Thanks.  First time using the new Phoenix Contact managed 
switch...will share experience once we get things going... Some extra 
grounding was called for as per engineers...


On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 4:53 PM David M  wrote:


I finally got a good source for most of the interconnects,din
rail and wire management stuff.

I always like good clean boxes.. Awesome!


On 1/14/2019 3:41 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Starting year off busy...

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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[dave]

what is that ground for?? Looks like a ground to an outer seal of some sort.


On 1/14/19 8:36 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Thanks.  First time using the new Phoenix Contact managed 
switch...will share experience once we get things going... Some extra 
grounding was called for as per engineers...


On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 4:53 PM David M  wrote:


I finally got a good source for most of the interconnects,din rail
and wire management stuff.

I always like good clean boxes.. Awesome!


On 1/14/2019 3:41 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Starting year off busy...

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Re: [AFMUG] SCADA porn

[David M]

I finally got a good source for most of the interconnects,din rail and 
wire management stuff.


I always like good clean boxes.. Awesome!


On 1/14/2019 3:41 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Starting year off busy...

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