[AFMUG] Vendors
I hope this doesn't spiral into a vendor bitch fest, because I mean the exact opposite, so please don't hijack my thread too much. Most vendors have been disappointing at one time or another. Most that were disappointing straightened it out. Liz Creekmore at IntelPath has been great literally every time we've interacted. You may have seen my recent request for a GigE 11 GHz radio. Well, there are no 11 Ghz channels available... and actually, only 1 maybe 2x 18 Ghz channels. Due to her responsiveness and diligence, I have time to correct my project requirements to suit the realities of the available channels. Thanks! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Its always something
Always nice to find out it is someone else's problem! How are those gloves working out? -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I got a call last night to work on a two way radio system (800/900MHz) that was having strange noise issues on Lower Comanche. We left early to mountain repeater site with replacement antennas, cable, connectors, amplifiers, radios..etc... When we got up there, we found the noise was gone. After several inquiries it turned out the Nextel techs in Cd, Juarez, Chihuahua found the problem. Some company from Mexico City installed several cell phone jammers at the penitentiary to block smuggled cell phones and they knocked off all kinds of systems on both sides of the border! Oh well that's life in a border town...I got some money in my pocket nonetheless! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Its always something
So they are tough enough to climb in without tearing them up? I need some of those! -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: great,,,I am going to buy another pair for wife and my son. I really like them. the other tower guy is as well. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: Always nice to find out it is someone else's problem! How are those gloves working out? -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I got a call last night to work on a two way radio system (800/900MHz) that was having strange noise issues on Lower Comanche. We left early to mountain repeater site with replacement antennas, cable, connectors, amplifiers, radios..etc... When we got up there, we found the noise was gone. After several inquiries it turned out the Nextel techs in Cd, Juarez, Chihuahua found the problem. Some company from Mexico City installed several cell phone jammers at the penitentiary to block smuggled cell phones and they knocked off all kinds of systems on both sides of the border! Oh well that's life in a border town...I got some money in my pocket nonetheless! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question
The Ramada Inn, their information is listed on the AFMUG website. On 1/14/2015 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Traci, What hotel is AFMUG using? I'd like to use the hotel that everyone else is staying at and help promote the event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com mailto:tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: They are telling us that significant upgrades have been done in the last couple of years. Not sure if its enough to handle this group ;-) . With the Shilo being sold to Holiday Inn, I'm ready not sure what to expect this year from them either. I know registration has been a problem for many who have tried to reserve. On 1/14/2015 10:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote: Anybody talked to the Ramada to get a feel for their Wifi setup? I think the Shilo had multipe AP's per floor, and wasn't it fed with beehive fiber? Will the Ramada be able to support us, or will it crash and burn?
[AFMUG] UBNT firewall
We notice that any time we use NAT on UBNT we get a lot of login
attempts via SSH. Are any of you using the firewall built in? It's not
clear from the GUI interface whether this affects input or forwarding,
or both.
What I'd like to do is block any SSH logins that are not in one of our
subnets, but I'm afraid if I turn it on, it will affect forwarded traffic.
Examples?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] Its always something
great,,,I am going to buy another pair for wife and my son. I really like them. the other tower guy is as well. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: Always nice to find out it is someone else's problem! How are those gloves working out? -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I got a call last night to work on a two way radio system (800/900MHz) that was having strange noise issues on Lower Comanche. We left early to mountain repeater site with replacement antennas, cable, connectors, amplifiers, radios..etc... When we got up there, we found the noise was gone. After several inquiries it turned out the Nextel techs in Cd, Juarez, Chihuahua found the problem. Some company from Mexico City installed several cell phone jammers at the penitentiary to block smuggled cell phones and they knocked off all kinds of systems on both sides of the border! Oh well that's life in a border town...I got some money in my pocket nonetheless! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Vendors
Awesome! Glad to hear stories like this always. Three cheers for Liz!! -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I hope this doesn't spiral into a vendor bitch fest, because I mean the exact opposite, so please don't hijack my thread too much. Most vendors have been disappointing at one time or another. Most that were disappointing straightened it out. Liz Creekmore at IntelPath has been great literally every time we've interacted. You may have seen my recent request for a GigE 11 GHz radio. Well, there are no 11 Ghz channels available... and actually, only 1 maybe 2x 18 Ghz channels. Due to her responsiveness and diligence, I have time to correct my project requirements to suit the realities of the available channels. Thanks! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question
They are telling us that significant upgrades have been done in the last couple of years. Not sure if its enough to handle this group ;-) . With the Shilo being sold to Holiday Inn, I'm ready not sure what to expect this year from them either. I know registration has been a problem for many who have tried to reserve. On 1/14/2015 10:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote: Anybody talked to the Ramada to get a feel for their Wifi setup? I think the Shilo had multipe AP's per floor, and wasn't it fed with beehive fiber? Will the Ramada be able to support us, or will it crash and burn?
Re: [AFMUG] Vendors
+1! Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc. jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:26 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Vendors I hope this doesn't spiral into a vendor bitch fest, because I mean the exact opposite, so please don't hijack my thread too much. Most vendors have been disappointing at one time or another. Most that were disappointing straightened it out. Liz Creekmore at IntelPath has been great literally every time we've interacted. You may have seen my recent request for a GigE 11 GHz radio. Well, there are no 11 Ghz channels available... and actually, only 1 maybe 2x 18 Ghz channels. Due to her responsiveness and diligence, I have time to correct my project requirements to suit the realities of the available channels. Thanks! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Vendors
Liz is awesome. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:26 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Vendors I hope this doesn't spiral into a vendor bitch fest, because I mean the exact opposite, so please don't hijack my thread too much. Most vendors have been disappointing at one time or another. Most that were disappointing straightened it out. Liz Creekmore at IntelPath has been great literally every time we've interacted. You may have seen my recent request for a GigE 11 GHz radio. Well, there are no 11 Ghz channels available... and actually, only 1 maybe 2x 18 Ghz channels. Due to her responsiveness and diligence, I have time to correct my project requirements to suit the realities of the available channels. Thanks! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] E-Rate Internal Connections
The only thing we provide to 6 schools is microwave shots through our network to the highschool where they have fiber. It's pretty lucrative. On January 14, 2015 9:42:06 AM AKST, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Have any of you done any E-Rate work for internal connections? I have my SPIN and file my SPACs, but haven't actually gotten any schools (thanks Obama). I've only been looking at Internet services, though. I haven't looked at the internal construction side of the house. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Quick AF hotel question
Traci, What hotel is AFMUG using? I'd like to use the hotel that everyone else is staying at and help promote the event. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: They are telling us that significant upgrades have been done in the last couple of years. Not sure if its enough to handle this group ;-) . With the Shilo being sold to Holiday Inn, I'm ready not sure what to expect this year from them either. I know registration has been a problem for many who have tried to reserve. On 1/14/2015 10:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote: Anybody talked to the Ramada to get a feel for their Wifi setup? I think the Shilo had multipe AP's per floor, and wasn't it fed with beehive fiber? Will the Ramada be able to support us, or will it crash and burn?
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
Did you see my offlist e-mail? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:16:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link no, we bought crates of links though :) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Did it fall off a truck? I just e-mailed the guys at MapleNet, but I'll e-mail you offlist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:42:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link I can get really good pricing on an 80mhz 11GHz IP20 link at full speed or any freq for that matter. And help configure if anyone is interested. It takes 10 min to configure an IP20 if you know what your doing :) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Who are you guys talking to for Cambium PTPs or with their change in the channel, can anyone sell them? Now, just because someone can sell them doesn't mean they're competitive at it. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:43:14 AM Subject: 1 Gigabit Licensed Link The contenders are Dragonwave Quantum, Exalt ExtremeAir, Ceragon IP20, anyone else? I know SIAE, SAF and maybe some others (which others if you have them?) can get there with header compression. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] E-Rate Internal Connections
Internal we’re bidding 2 schools this year. 1 of which we know we didn’t get the job. Both schools are wanting to replace aging wiring, AP’s switches wand one of the schools wants to upgrade their internal fiber connections to all 10Gb. We’ve won both schools Internet connectivity – beating out multiple other providers including a BTOP/BIP awardee. We’ve also won one of the bids for hosted VOIP. On the internal stuff I’m not too keen on doing, I wasn’t heart broken to learn that the one school chose to go with someone else. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:42 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] E-Rate Internal Connections Have any of you done any E-Rate work for internal connections? I have my SPIN and file my SPACs, but haven't actually gotten any schools (thanks Obama). I've only been looking at Internet services, though. I haven't looked at the internal construction side of the house. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
4+0 its not the same, diferrent case
Think of the 4x4 magic as:
using 2 Airfibers in the same path aggregating the bw to 1500 mbps fdx
using the same 100 mhz channel
4+0 is:
using 2 Airfibers in the same path aggregating the bw to 1500 mbps fdx
using the 2 differnet 100 mhz channels
Got it now?
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 8:16 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
OK. I think I get it!
But I would still call it (2x2) + (2x2).
Or as you say 4+0.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 4:12 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
You run 2 radios per antenna
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 8:09 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
This all sounds like nomenclature and smoke and mirrors.
If there are two antennas; one H and one V, then it would be 2x2 MIMO,
unless you are running more than one radio per polarity. Then it's
still
not 4x4 MIMO, but more like 2x2 PLUS 2x2?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 3:55 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Yes…and you chain them by a special fiber port
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:52 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
By another set of radios.. you mean another double-core IP20c feeding
another antenna with spacial diversity?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Yeap… and you can double that using another set of radios with the
same
channel
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:34 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
So if you use both cores.. and one core feeds H and the other feeds
V
on the same antenna.. what is the maximum throughput in a 80Mhz
channel? Is that the ~1.2Gbps number?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
A single ip20 has dual core RF, so it can do h/v same channel or
different and h/h or v/v
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a
single antenna?
I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with
the
single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for
IP20C
radio..
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh
by
adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial
diversity
Using the same channel and polarityŠ
So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is:
4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths)
4 Antennas
Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV )
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
wrote:
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x
throughput
of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They
do
a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some
creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C
with
both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two
cores
are layer 1 bonded.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
wrote:
How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio
units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
[AFMUG] holy crap...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: How does “LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units” work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
There is marketing, and then there is marketing. Heck, we're getting ~~
490 Mbps in 50 MHz on some HC+ units; and that's still only 256QAM. A
few more QAMs and I think it would go over 500Mbps per channel.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 2:23 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:
What are the 4 polarities to achieve 4x4 MIMO?
I surprised by the 1.2 Gbps limit, given I get ~400 Mbps per polarity in a
50Mhz channel at 256QAM with our Dragonwave Compact units.
I would have envisioned over 2 Gbps with 4x4 MIMO and 2048QAM.
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your
standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things
with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your
standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores
are layer 1 bonded.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
How does “LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units”
work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet RX overruns...
As best I can tell this is normal for customers pushing hard upload when the
upload channel starts to get a but congested. I don’t really worry about it.
Mark
On Jan 14, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Getting this on the Ethernet stats with a couple of SMs running in NAT mode.
I thought the TCP/IP would self-throttle to a large degree. Is the SM
faulty, or is the customer's router just stuffing the pipe without regard to
anything? Anything I can do about it?
RxOverrun :
1628
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
2x2 mimo you use the same channel , on this setup you are using 2
channelsŠ so 2 (2x2) = 4x4 = 16 :-)
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 6:31 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I think I would call that 2x2 MIMO.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 2:29 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by
adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity
Using the same channel and polarityï¿1Ž2
So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is:
4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths)
4 Antennas
Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV )
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput
of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do
a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some
creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with
both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores
are layer 1 bonded.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com
wrote:
How does ï¿1Ž2LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio
unitsï¿1Ž2
work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
It's like 500Mbps vs 650Mbps (off the top of my head) when using a ~50MHz vs
80MHz. If you can go high end for the same price as mid range, why not.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 14, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
There is marketing, and then there is marketing. Heck, we're getting ~~ 490
Mbps in 50 MHz on some HC+ units; and that's still only 256QAM. A few more
QAMs and I think it would go over 500Mbps per channel.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 2:23 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:
What are the 4 polarities to achieve 4x4 MIMO?
I surprised by the 1.2 Gbps limit, given I get ~400 Mbps per polarity in a
50Mhz channel at 256QAM with our Dragonwave Compact units.
I would have envisioned over 2 Gbps with 4x4 MIMO and 2048QAM.
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of
your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch
of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming
mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz
channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
How does “LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units”
work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
If you have 2 xpic channels or 4 individual channels, you can run 4+0 with
2 units (4 radios cores) into 1 antenna…. Sweet!
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 8:09 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
This all sounds like nomenclature and smoke and mirrors.
If there are two antennas; one H and one V, then it would be 2x2 MIMO,
unless you are running more than one radio per polarity. Then it's still
not 4x4 MIMO, but more like 2x2 PLUS 2x2?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 3:55 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Yes…and you chain them by a special fiber port
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:52 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
By another set of radios.. you mean another double-core IP20c feeding
another antenna with spacial diversity?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Yeap… and you can double that using another set of radios with the same
channel
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:34 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
So if you use both cores.. and one core feeds H and the other feeds V
on the same antenna.. what is the maximum throughput in a 80Mhz
channel? Is that the ~1.2Gbps number?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
A single ip20 has dual core RF, so it can do h/v same channel or
different and h/h or v/v
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a
single antenna?
I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the
single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C
radio..
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by
adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial
diversity
Using the same channel and polarityŠ
So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is:
4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths)
4 Antennas
Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV )
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x
throughput
of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They
do
a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some
creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with
both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores
are layer 1 bonded.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com
wrote:
How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio
units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Its always something
Yes Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 2:03 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: So they are tough enough to climb in without tearing them up? I need some of those! -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: great,,,I am going to buy another pair for wife and my son. I really like them. the other tower guy is as well. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: Always nice to find out it is someone else's problem! How are those gloves working out? -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I got a call last night to work on a two way radio system (800/900MHz) that was having strange noise issues on Lower Comanche. We left early to mountain repeater site with replacement antennas, cable, connectors, amplifiers, radios..etc... When we got up there, we found the noise was gone. After several inquiries it turned out the Nextel techs in Cd, Juarez, Chihuahua found the problem. Some company from Mexico City installed several cell phone jammers at the penitentiary to block smuggled cell phones and they knocked off all kinds of systems on both sides of the border! Oh well that's life in a border town...I got some money in my pocket nonetheless! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
In 80MHz with one TX channel you should be able to hit ~640Mbps with no header
compression or any other added features at 1024QAM.
Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC
Cell: (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
It's like 500Mbps vs 650Mbps (off the top of my head) when using a ~50MHz
vs 80MHz. If you can go high end for the same price as mid range, why not.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 14, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
There is marketing, and then there is marketing. Heck, we're getting ~~
490 Mbps in 50 MHz on some HC+ units; and that's still only 256QAM. A few
more QAMs and I think it would go over 500Mbps per channel.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 2:23 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:
What are the 4 polarities to achieve 4x4 MIMO?
I surprised by the 1.2 Gbps limit, given I get ~400 Mbps per polarity in a
50Mhz channel at 256QAM with our Dragonwave Compact units.
I would have envisioned over 2 Gbps with 4x4 MIMO and 2048QAM.
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput
of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a
bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative
naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on
an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz
pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
How does “LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units”
work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
OK. I think I get it!
But I would still call it (2x2) + (2x2).
Or as you say 4+0.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 4:12 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
You run 2 radios per antenna
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 8:09 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
This all sounds like nomenclature and smoke and mirrors.
If there are two antennas; one H and one V, then it would be 2x2 MIMO,
unless you are running more than one radio per polarity. Then it's still
not 4x4 MIMO, but more like 2x2 PLUS 2x2?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 3:55 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Yes…and you chain them by a special fiber port
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:52 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
By another set of radios.. you mean another double-core IP20c feeding
another antenna with spacial diversity?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Yeap… and you can double that using another set of radios with the same
channel
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:34 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
So if you use both cores.. and one core feeds H and the other feeds V
on the same antenna.. what is the maximum throughput in a 80Mhz
channel? Is that the ~1.2Gbps number?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
A single ip20 has dual core RF, so it can do h/v same channel or
different and h/h or v/v
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a
single antenna?
I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the
single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C
radio..
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by
adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial
diversity
Using the same channel and polarityŠ
So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is:
4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths)
4 Antennas
Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV )
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x
throughput
of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They
do
a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some
creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with
both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores
are layer 1 bonded.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com
wrote:
How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio
units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] E-Rate Internal Connections
Damn my phone...gnat. Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 6:29 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Wow you sound like a typical yahoo Texan...blaming Obama for E rate mess and everything bad. I worked at a school district for three years and it is a cumbersome system with problems even when President with IQ of a knat was in office. When I was reseller/VAR we had spin number and all...won a bid for small school and after all the bs I never bid again. Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Have any of you done any E-Rate work for internal connections? I have my SPIN and file my SPACs, but haven't actually gotten any schools (thanks Obama). I've only been looking at Internet services, though. I haven't looked at the internal construction side of the house. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun Read
People are stupid. People will always be stupid. They just live longer
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Steve D bigd...@gmail.com wrote:
I recently listened to a rant about the dangers of wireless while
terminating a cable inside a home that lead out to the customers shiny new
radio. I figured I'd just shut up and say nothing, lest they cancel or
something. They were very concerned about the smart meter which now had
said shiny radio about 10 feet above it.
Seem to be coming across this mentality more and more as of late.
-Steve D
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought I had ran into one of these at an install last month. They
were adamant that there should be no WiFi signals in their house. I
explained to them that the antenna on the roof was talking to the tower
above their house using WiFi, and there were likely many, many WiFi
frequencies going throughout their house. They looked at me the way that I
was looking at them (like they had three heads). As it turns out, they
just didn't want their teenager looking at porn in his bedroom.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Yah.� I've read about this a couple years ago.� Guess there aren't
too many WISPs in the area...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 7:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/the-town-without-wi-fi/
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
This all sounds like nomenclature and smoke and mirrors.
If there are two antennas; one H and one V, then it would be 2x2 MIMO,
unless you are running more than one radio per polarity. Then it's still
not 4x4 MIMO, but more like 2x2 PLUS 2x2?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 3:55 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Yes…and you chain them by a special fiber port
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:52 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
By another set of radios.. you mean another double-core IP20c feeding
another antenna with spacial diversity?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Yeap… and you can double that using another set of radios with the same
channel
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:34 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
So if you use both cores.. and one core feeds H and the other feeds V
on the same antenna.. what is the maximum throughput in a 80Mhz
channel? Is that the ~1.2Gbps number?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
A single ip20 has dual core RF, so it can do h/v same channel or
different and h/h or v/v
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a
single antenna?
I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the
single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C
radio..
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by
adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial
diversity
Using the same channel and polarityŠ
So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is:
4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths)
4 Antennas
Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV )
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput
of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do
a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some
creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with
both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores
are layer 1 bonded.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com
wrote:
How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio
units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
[AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
How does LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity Using the same channel and polarityŠ So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is: 4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths) 4 Antennas Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV ) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a single antenna? I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C radio.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity Using the same channel and polarityŠ So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is: 4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths) 4 Antennas Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV ) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Didn't you have a chart? Was it on coffee mugs or t shirts or something, or
were those requests from the peanut gallery?
Somehow there's a chart for that doesn't have the same zing as there's an
app for that.
-Original Message-
From: Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 5:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
In 80MHz with one TX channel you should be able to hit ~640Mbps with no
header compression or any other added features at 1024QAM.
Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC
Cell: (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
It's like 500Mbps vs 650Mbps (off the top of my head) when using a ~50MHz
vs 80MHz. If you can go high end for the same price as mid range, why not.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 14, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
There is marketing, and then there is marketing. Heck, we're getting ~~
490 Mbps in 50 MHz on some HC+ units; and that's still only 256QAM. A few
more QAMs and I think it would go over 500Mbps per channel.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 2:23 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:
What are the 4 polarities to achieve 4x4 MIMO?
I surprised by the 1.2 Gbps limit, given I get ~400 Mbps per polarity
in a
50Mhz channel at 256QAM with our Dragonwave Compact units.
I would have envisioned over 2 Gbps with 4x4 MIMO and 2048QAM.
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput
of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a
bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative
naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on
an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz
pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
How does “LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units”
work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
On 1/14/15 16:16, Bill Prince wrote: OK. I think I get it! But I would still call it (2x2) + (2x2). I call MIMO and 4x4 crap when referring to licensed gear. For licensed stuff just say how many channels need to be licensed. Channel size and modulation gives me capacity. No smoke or mirrors. If the radio does header compression I'll treat that as a bonus but won't plan for it in capacity. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Seth , you are not grasping the concept. Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 14, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 1/14/15 16:16, Bill Prince wrote: OK. I think I get it! But I would still call it (2x2) + (2x2). I call MIMO and 4x4 crap when referring to licensed gear. For licensed stuff just say how many channels need to be licensed. Channel size and modulation gives me capacity. No smoke or mirrors. If the radio does header compression I'll treat that as a bonus but won't plan for it in capacity. ~Seth
[AFMUG] ePMP remote power
Will my 18 volt battery that I've been using for my Canopy and Ubiuiti installs power an ePMP sm? I'm reluctant to try it before hearing otherwise.
[AFMUG] Ethernet RX overruns...
Getting this on the Ethernet stats with a couple of SMs running in NAT
mode. I thought the TCP/IP would self-throttle to a large degree. Is
the SM faulty, or is the customer's router just stuffing the pipe
without regard to anything? Anything I can do about it?
RxOverrun :
1628
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bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
so yes it does 80mhz x 80mhz if you license both 'ports'. It simply like two radios in one enclosure. Depending on the adapter of which you can change later, both of those channels will be on H and V or the same polarityeither way. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a single antenna? I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C radio.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity Using the same channel and polarityŠ So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is: 4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths) 4 Antennas Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV ) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
You know my mom was a trustee for the town when I was growing up. Maybe it’s in my blood… I am in sales now after all :-D At least I screwed up in the wrong direction… made our product as awesome as it is Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: 1 Gigabit Licensed Link Just don’t make a habit of saying things that are demonstrably false, or you will be forced to run for public office. From: Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:23 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [BULK] Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link Too much work and not enough sleep. Moving into a larger warehouse I think is more work than setting up the first one here. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:33 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link Who's grabbing the tar and who's grabbing the feathers? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com mailto:afmu...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:30:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link Well I stand corrected. I misunderstood my own product. SAF Integra is at the modem level. Confirmed with the Senior Product Manager for the platform. *ducks in shame* Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:42 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link On 1/14/15 6:18 AM, Daniel White wrote: SAF has a good whitepaper on LAG and how it applies to each platform (currently being updated for Integra) – and certainly for instance our Lumina platform could only look at MAC addresses. Integra looks at the packet – just like better switches do. I thought Integra would be able to do modem level aggregation? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
I think I would call that 2x2 MIMO.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 2:29 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by
adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity
Using the same channel and polarity�
So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is:
4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths)
4 Antennas
Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV )
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput
of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do
a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some
creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with
both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores
are layer 1 bonded.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com
wrote:
How does �LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units�
work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP remote power
Definitely. I've been doing it for weeks. The SM goes as low as 10v I believe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Will my 18 volt battery that I've been using for my Canopy and Ubiuiti installs power an ePMP sm? I'm reluctant to try it before hearing otherwise.
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
So if you use both cores.. and one core feeds H and the other feeds V on the same antenna.. what is the maximum throughput in a 80Mhz channel? Is that the ~1.2Gbps number? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused A single ip20 has dual core RF, so it can do h/v same channel or different and h/h or v/v Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a single antenna? I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C radio.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity Using the same channel and polarityŠ So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is: 4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths) 4 Antennas Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV ) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Yes…and you chain them by a special fiber port Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:52 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: By another set of radios.. you mean another double-core IP20c feeding another antenna with spacial diversity? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused Yeap… and you can double that using another set of radios with the same channel Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:34 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So if you use both cores.. and one core feeds H and the other feeds V on the same antenna.. what is the maximum throughput in a 80Mhz channel? Is that the ~1.2Gbps number? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused A single ip20 has dual core RF, so it can do h/v same channel or different and h/h or v/v Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a single antenna? I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C radio.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity Using the same channel and polarityŠ So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is: 4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths) 4 Antennas Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV ) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
On 1/14/15 15:39, Ken Hohhof wrote: Didn't you have a chart? Was it on coffee mugs or t shirts or something, or were those requests from the peanut gallery? Somehow there's a chart for that doesn't have the same zing as there's an app for that. I remember seeing a chart, but I didn't save it and I couldn't find it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] E-Rate Internal Connections
Wow you sound like a typical yahoo Texan...blaming Obama for E rate mess and everything bad. I worked at a school district for three years and it is a cumbersome system with problems even when President with IQ of a knat was in office. When I was reseller/VAR we had spin number and all...won a bid for small school and after all the bs I never bid again. Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Have any of you done any E-Rate work for internal connections? I have my SPIN and file my SPACs, but haven't actually gotten any schools (thanks Obama). I've only been looking at Internet services, though. I haven't looked at the internal construction side of the house. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Its always something
Are those the Carhartts or the IronClads? -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 2:03 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: So they are tough enough to climb in without tearing them up? I need some of those! -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: great,,,I am going to buy another pair for wife and my son. I really like them. the other tower guy is as well. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: Always nice to find out it is someone else's problem! How are those gloves working out? -Ty On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I got a call last night to work on a two way radio system (800/900MHz) that was having strange noise issues on Lower Comanche. We left early to mountain repeater site with replacement antennas, cable, connectors, amplifiers, radios..etc... When we got up there, we found the noise was gone. After several inquiries it turned out the Nextel techs in Cd, Juarez, Chihuahua found the problem. Some company from Mexico City installed several cell phone jammers at the penitentiary to block smuggled cell phones and they knocked off all kinds of systems on both sides of the border! Oh well that's life in a border town...I got some money in my pocket nonetheless! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
What are the 4 polarities to achieve 4x4 MIMO? I surprised by the 1.2 Gbps limit, given I get ~400 Mbps per polarity in a 50Mhz channel at 256QAM with our Dragonwave Compact units. I would have envisioned over 2 Gbps with 4x4 MIMO and 2048QAM. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: How does “LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units” work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
A single ip20 has dual core RF, so it can do h/v same channel or different and h/h or v/v Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a single antenna? I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C radio.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity Using the same channel and polarityŠ So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is: 4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths) 4 Antennas Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV ) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Yeap… and you can double that using another set of radios with the same channel Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:34 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So if you use both cores.. and one core feeds H and the other feeds V on the same antenna.. what is the maximum throughput in a 80Mhz channel? Is that the ~1.2Gbps number? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused A single ip20 has dual core RF, so it can do h/v same channel or different and h/h or v/v Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a single antenna? I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C radio.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity Using the same channel and polarityŠ So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is: 4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths) 4 Antennas Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV ) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
By another set of radios.. you mean another double-core IP20c feeding another antenna with spacial diversity? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused Yeap… and you can double that using another set of radios with the same channel Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:34 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So if you use both cores.. and one core feeds H and the other feeds V on the same antenna.. what is the maximum throughput in a 80Mhz channel? Is that the ~1.2Gbps number? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused A single ip20 has dual core RF, so it can do h/v same channel or different and h/h or v/v Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 7:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a single antenna? I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C radio.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial diversity Using the same channel and polarityŠ So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is: 4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths) 4 Antennas Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV ) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They do a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores are layer 1 bonded. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
You run 2 radios per antenna
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 8:09 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
This all sounds like nomenclature and smoke and mirrors.
If there are two antennas; one H and one V, then it would be 2x2 MIMO,
unless you are running more than one radio per polarity. Then it's still
not 4x4 MIMO, but more like 2x2 PLUS 2x2?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 3:55 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Yes…and you chain them by a special fiber port
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:52 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
By another set of radios.. you mean another double-core IP20c feeding
another antenna with spacial diversity?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Yeap… and you can double that using another set of radios with the same
channel
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:34 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
So if you use both cores.. and one core feeds H and the other feeds V
on the same antenna.. what is the maximum throughput in a 80Mhz
channel? Is that the ~1.2Gbps number?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
A single ip20 has dual core RF, so it can do h/v same channel or
different and h/h or v/v
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 7:18 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
So a single IP20C unit does not do a traditional 2x2 MIMO with a
single antenna?
I was under the impression the IP20C would do H and V chains with the
single head.. ~600 per polarity in 80Mhz.. giving ~1.2 Gbps for IP20C
radio..
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
You need to add to the fact that you can get more 2x the bandwitdh by
adding a second ODU and antenna in a setup similar to spatial
diversity
Using the same channel and polarityŠ
So 4x4 mimo in Ceragon terms is:
4 dual core ODUS a (4 radio paths)
4 Antennas
Using 2 channels ( can be xpic same channel or 2 HH, 2VV )
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
On 1/14/15, 6:18 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x
throughput
of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with. They
do
a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some
creative naming mechanisms. But in the end your standard IP20C with
both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so. The two cores
are layer 1 bonded.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com
wrote:
How does ³LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio
units² work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart
How about something for the climbers? Y'know, the guys that need to know this information... http://www.cafepress.com/+personalisable_sports_bottle,1397479670 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Found the chart. Was not dreaming about the coffee mugs. Don’t have one though. Hint, hint. *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:46 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [BULK] [AFMUG] Modulation/Capacity Chart This is on our new coffee mugs… thought it might be useful to everyone as reference. [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -- - Animal Farm Microwave Users Group - www.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
I agree...bet this was illegal climb Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 5:57 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Verizon LTE frequency band
Yes, band 13 700mhz and band 4 AWS spectrum. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Is Verizon using 700Mhz for their LTE service? Jaime Solorza -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
So if 2+0 and you have more than 1 gigabit of throughput due to compression, then do the bits just fall on the floor or would I have to employ LAG on the router? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:30:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link Well I stand corrected. I misunderstood my own product. SAF Integra is at the modem level. Confirmed with the Senior Product Manager for the platform. *ducks in shame* Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link On 1/14/15 6:18 AM, Daniel White wrote: SAF has a good whitepaper on LAG and how it applies to each platform (currently being updated for Integra) – and certainly for instance our Lumina platform could only look at MAC addresses. Integra looks at the packet – just like better switches do. I thought Integra would be able to do modem level aggregation? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP remote power
That's all I needed to hear. Josh Luthman wrote: Definitely. I've been doing it for weeks. The SM goes as low as 10v I believe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Will my 18 volt battery that I've been using for my Canopy and Ubiuiti installs power an ePMP sm? I'm reluctant to try it before hearing otherwise.
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart
I’ll send one with that 10 link PO next week :P Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart I want an awesome water bottle with that on it Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 11:11 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com mailto:afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need the information while sitting at your desk planning a link or 100ft in the air installing an Access Point? Our CEO’s philosophy on this at least. Also, I don’t think the chart looked as nice on the metal water bottles we sampled. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart How about something for the climbers? Y'know, the guys that need to know this information... http://www.cafepress.com/+personalisable_sports_bottle,1397479670 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Found the chart. Was not dreaming about the coffee mugs. Don’t have one though. Hint, hint. From: Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [BULK] [AFMUG] Modulation/Capacity Chart This is on our new coffee mugs… thought it might be useful to everyone as reference. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com _ - Animal Farm Microwave Users Group - www.afmug.com http://www.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
The Saudi prince knows this and if we move to renewables then his country becomes a desert once again. As long as they have oil they will fight to remain viable...wouldn't you. They have tested and know very well the price elasticity of oil. They don't want competitors, wether it's other oil producers (franking and tar sands) or renewable energy. Keep oil at a certain price and everyone keeps using it. -Sean On Wednesday, January 14, 2015, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like $250/barrel and stay there. We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmilho...@wletc.com'); wrote: Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles. On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100, $100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100. At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities. Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line. -forrest On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cknauer.li...@gmail.com'); wrote: Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net benefit. Macroeconomics is complex. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC. On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com'); wrote: I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here in the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when the additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even lower, but that is just my thought. It would be nice if they could do the same with grain. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thatoneguyst...@gmail.com'); wrote: I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But I look at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when the rubber band snaps, you would already be at peak production capacity, without the export and shipping to get it to its destination, in North America at least. This is an artificially deflated market, it cant be sustained since it is inherently and artificially inflated market. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','par...@cyberbroadband.net'); wrote: The investment has already been made to build the wells. I know it would suck, but why not shut them down until the price goes up again, then just resume production? Even under new ownership?
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
And before anyone breaks out the pitchforks – I’m trying to add to the conversation here. No good conversation happens without a counterpoint :-D I understand everything is relative. I understand that if that licensed link was $1,000 less, your ROI would be faster… or you could spend more on other infrastructure improvements. You need more bits to sling at customers to stay competitive. Trust me – that is my goal too… because without you… I have no one to sell to :-) Also please don’t use my pointing out of examples as anything negative towards those vendors – but there are facts there that help back up the general point I’m making – the space is highly competitive and no one is laughing their way to the bank selling licensed gear. I actually think very highly of many of my competitors and the products they make… and especially many of my counterparts in the industry. We all have slightly different tools to accomplish different jobs in my opinion. I get the sentiment for sure – balancing network upgrades was one of the hardest parts of my job back in my WISP days. $1,000 licensed PtP link is a holy grail to me – and trust me we are all pushing our RD teams to figure out how to make that happen. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Daniel White [mailto:afmu...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:59 PM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous *soapbox* Demand in the overall marketplace has dropped for… 3 years straight now I think? Believe it or not – many of the LTE builds (at least in NA) are done for microwave. ATT stopped building about 6 months ago – many of their contractors went out of business. Millimeter wave and fiber are the technologies of choice. If you can get your hands on the EJL Wireless Microwave Reports they are very interesting – but you have to pay thru the nose to get them. 2015 is supposed to be a growth year… but only by a few percent over previous years… same with 2016. 2017 and 2018 are predicted to be negative years. Africa and Asia are the potential growth markets – but the instability in those regions can put major builds on hold quickly. The gear has either dropped significantly in price (I remember purchasing DragonWave Airpair Release 3 links for $20k+ for 100Mbps) or increase in capability. If the vendors were killing it – DragonWave, Ceragon, Aviat, etc. would not be reporting double digit million dollar losses annually. What happened with Exalt in 2014 wouldn’t have had happened. Aviat wouldn’t be going thru a major restructuring. Hard to decode the books for Ericson and Huawei since microwave revenue is disguised among other things – but they are making it based on LTE base station sales – the microwave often times is flat out given away for the services and LTE base station sales. Of course you can say that other circumstances were the cause for those loses – but sales solves everything right? Hard to give actual annual results as each manufacturer has different fiscal years… but many are reporting ~$50mil losses. Only one vendor in 2013 showed growth in terms of terminal sales that doesn’t sell millimeter wave gear (SAF). Sub10, Siklu, Alcoma, and BridgeWave were the others that showed growth (all of this at least is according to the EJL Wireless Report). 2014 numbers will be interesting (but a few months away). Margins for vendors and distributors/resellers are probably at an all-time low for this gear. No one is killing it. Look at the financials of all the publically traded companies out there that specialize in microwave gear (Ceragon, SAF, DragonWave, Aviat are probably the easiest). Ericsson, NEC, Alcatel-Lucent, Huawei, etc. are publically traded as well but are so diversified I don’t think numbers for them are meaningful. There are more than 20 vendors in this space – compare that to your PtMP options (Telrad, Cambium, and Ubiquiti probably being the most discussed at the moment). Consolidation is coming in this space I’m sure… with less true pure OEM’s being able to make a viable business case to stay afloat. Also – in the drive for diversification of feature sets – manufacturers are moving back to custom modems (where most last gen radios where built with Broadcom modems primarily). Long term that probably does the opposite of what the market wants – better feature set – but not a reduction in cost. These radios are expensive to produce – especially to comply with ETSI and other governing body regulations. They also take a lot of pre-sales and pre-sales engineering work to get the sale. The Ubiquiti model doesn’t work in this space (or at least until they show us how to do it ;-) I love my company though – and I love this space. But it is competitive, and the margins are certainly lower than they should be to support the RD and other services I think all
Re: [AFMUG] Verizon LTE frequency band
So upper band ..I have a yagi 745 to 800Mhz I am going to try on a project we are finishing. One end is jumping in and out of LTE with supplied omni.I will try that and see if it improves signal. Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 6:53 PM, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote: Yes, band 13 700mhz and band 4 AWS spectrum. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Is Verizon using 700Mhz for their LTE service? Jaime Solorza -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart
Do you need the information while sitting at your desk planning a link or 100ft in the air installing an Access Point? Our CEO’s philosophy on this at least. Also, I don’t think the chart looked as nice on the metal water bottles we sampled. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart How about something for the climbers? Y'know, the guys that need to know this information... http://www.cafepress.com/+personalisable_sports_bottle,1397479670 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Found the chart. Was not dreaming about the coffee mugs. Don’t have one though. Hint, hint. From: Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [BULK] [AFMUG] Modulation/Capacity Chart This is on our new coffee mugs… thought it might be useful to everyone as reference. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com _ - Animal Farm Microwave Users Group - www.afmug.com http://www.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart
One Po for 1 foot of chain incoming. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 11:26 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: I’ll send one with that 10 link PO next week :P [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:14 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart I want an awesome water bottle with that on it Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 11:11 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need the information while sitting at your desk planning a link or 100ft in the air installing an Access Point? Our CEO’s philosophy on this at least. Also, I don’t think the chart looked as nice on the metal water bottles we sampled. [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart How about something for the climbers? Y'know, the guys that need to know this information... http://www.cafepress.com/+personalisable_sports_bottle,1397479670 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Found the chart. Was not dreaming about the coffee mugs. Don’t have one though. Hint, hint. *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:46 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [BULK] [AFMUG] Modulation/Capacity Chart This is on our new coffee mugs… thought it might be useful to everyone as reference. [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -- - Animal Farm Microwave Users Group - www.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/14/15 8:46 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs to take the reigns on the market. Even with certain companies throwing you a promo price, if you really look at it fully loaded, the price is still high for what you get. The prices seem pretty good to me. In my area an average price for a GigE of PTP fiber transport from a carrier is $2k/month. If I buy a GigE FDD worth of microwave for $20k it's paid for itself in less than a year. Oversimplified example but you get the idea. There was a time when that same $20k would net you a FastE link, so IMO it's improved a lot. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart
Drink up: Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart Latvian shot glasses? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com mailto:afmu...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart Do you need the information while sitting at your desk planning a link or 100ft in the air installing an Access Point? Our CEO’s philosophy on this at least. Also, I don’t think the chart looked as nice on the metal water bottles we sampled. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart How about something for the climbers? Y'know, the guys that need to know this information... http://www.cafepress.com/+personalisable_sports_bottle,1397479670 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Found the chart. Was not dreaming about the coffee mugs. Don’t have one though. Hint, hint. From: Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [BULK] [AFMUG] Modulation/Capacity Chart This is on our new coffee mugs… thought it might be useful to everyone as reference. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com _ - Animal Farm Microwave Users Group - www.afmug.com http://www.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
Now I read an Ars article pointing to this PAC saying Comcast/NBC is colluding with Obama: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/53039c35e4b00ab5492b3143/t/54b58381e4b0fe684b26127f/1421181825846/NBC+Press+Conservative+War+Chest+Rallies+NBC+Affiliates.pdf I can’t tell news from satire anymore. Is that a real press release, or an Onion article? From: Erich Kaiser Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs to take the reigns on the market. Even with certain companies throwing you a promo price, if you really look at it fully loaded, the price is still high for what you get. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I think we're already seeing it. They're not wifi chipset based radio kind of prices, but they can be found for less than half of what you could get them for just a few years ago. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: After several years, when will we see Licensed radios come down in price? There is so much margin in these things. Its ridiculous
Re: [AFMUG] Verizon LTE frequency band
700 for lte 1700 2100 for xlte On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Is Verizon using 700Mhz for their LTE service? Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Verizon LTE frequency band
Less than... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 8:50 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Is Verizon using 700Mhz for their LTE service? Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
Does anyone know if 2048 QAM isn't ready yet? I don't see it listed under 80
MHz channel size in LinkPlanner nor the datasheets.
Oddly, it shows up on the smaller channels.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:28:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
AKA Ceregon IP20...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/14/2015 5:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Cambium 820
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart
I want an awesome water bottle with that on it Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 11:11 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need the information while sitting at your desk planning a link or 100ft in the air installing an Access Point? Our CEO’s philosophy on this at least. Also, I don’t think the chart looked as nice on the metal water bottles we sampled. [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart How about something for the climbers? Y'know, the guys that need to know this information... http://www.cafepress.com/+personalisable_sports_bottle,1397479670 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Found the chart. Was not dreaming about the coffee mugs. Don’t have one though. Hint, hint. *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:46 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [BULK] [AFMUG] Modulation/Capacity Chart This is on our new coffee mugs… thought it might be useful to everyone as reference. [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -- - Animal Farm Microwave Users Group - www.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart
Latvian shot glasses? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart Do you need the information while sitting at your desk planning a link or 100ft in the air installing an Access Point? Our CEO’s philosophy on this at least. Also, I don’t think the chart looked as nice on the metal water bottles we sampled. cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370 Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Modulation/Capacity Chart How about something for the climbers? Y'know, the guys that need to know this information... http://www.cafepress.com/+personalisable_sports_bottle,1397479670 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Found the chart. Was not dreaming about the coffee mugs. Don’t have one though. Hint, hint. From: Daniel White Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [BULK] [AFMUG] Modulation/Capacity Chart This is on our new coffee mugs… thought it might be useful to everyone as reference. cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370 Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com - Animal Farm Microwave Users Group - www.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
With all of the licensed gear going in world-wide for LTE backhaul, I'd say there are more units moving than you'd think. Maybe it's that demand that's keeping prices up? I'd think that licensed backhauls would fit into the category of halve the cost, more than double your sales. In the Excel sheet I've compiled so far today, the prices range from $8.47/megabit/s to $23.86/megabit/s. That covers five vendors as well as uncompressed and compressed data rates. The cheapest actually isn't a compressed radio. Just dead simple bits. Should get some more prices in tomorrow morning. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com, memb...@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:31:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous It's not a mass market item. On January 14, 2015 7:30:13 PM AKST, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: After several years, when will we see Licensed radios come down in price? There is so much margin in these things. Its ridiculous -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
[AFMUG] Microcom
Who do you guys work with at Microcom? The guy I worked with moved on and his delegate doesn't seem to be awake today. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
Strange that GoPro would seemingly sponsor an illegal climb. Also strange that the tower owner would allow this... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I agree...bet this was illegal climb Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 5:57 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Except this is actually using the same channel, not four channels. As long this gear as been around and as big of a name Ceragon is and there are this many people that don't know anything about it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 6:33:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused On 1/14/15 16:16, Bill Prince wrote: OK. I think I get it! But I would still call it (2x2) + (2x2). I call MIMO and 4x4 crap when referring to licensed gear. For licensed stuff just say how many channels need to be licensed. Channel size and modulation gives me capacity. No smoke or mirrors. If the radio does header compression I'll treat that as a bonus but won't plan for it in capacity. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
Yeah if you can license individual channels, the MIMO thing doesn't make sense. If your all out of spectrum and need to increase capacity, then look into it Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Except this is actually using the same channel, not four channels. As long this gear as been around and as big of a name Ceragon is and there are this many people that don't know anything about it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 6:33:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused On 1/14/15 16:16, Bill Prince wrote: OK. I think I get it! But I would still call it (2x2) + (2x2). I call MIMO and 4x4 crap when referring to licensed gear. For licensed stuff just say how many channels need to be licensed. Channel size and modulation gives me capacity. No smoke or mirrors. If the radio does header compression I'll treat that as a bonus but won't plan for it in capacity. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
Gopro probably doesn't know. Tower owner didn't know or got paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 9:23 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Strange that GoPro would seemingly sponsor an illegal climb. Also strange that the tower owner would allow this... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I agree...bet this was illegal climb Jaime Solorza On Jan 14, 2015 5:57 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY A little too close to those guy wires for my blood. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of
the best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to
like $250/barrel and stay there.
We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's
next. There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than
oil. Unfortunately at $50/barrel the RD and infrastructure buildout costs
look silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs
basically the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in
place). At the $100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move
in the right direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and
financial motivation is there to make what should be happening happen.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:
Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles.
On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
There's an old, insightful joke about what is the best price to sell
barrels of oil for, which states that it's something like $100, $100,
$100, $100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100.
At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like
hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same
industries. There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability
to effectively increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a
side effect, it's price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US
sources coming online, and OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now
a glut in the market. The question is ... at what level is this
sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a good analysis of the impact of
these lower crude prices on domestic production and more importantly our
willingness to invest in growth of our production capabilities.
Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get
to the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope
continues to drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line.
-forrest
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
wrote:
Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in
the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to
squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US
oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of
gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up
production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad
for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net
benefit. Macroeconomics is complex.
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:
From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC.
On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
wrote:
I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here
in
the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when
the
additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even
lower,
but that is just my thought.
It would be nice if they could do the same with grain.
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But I
look
at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when the
rubber band
snaps, you would already be at peak production capacity, without the
export
and shipping to get it to its destination, in North America at least.
This
is an artificially deflated market, it cant be sustained since it is
inherently and artificially inflated market.
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:
The investment has already been made to build the wells. I know it
would suck, but why not shut them down until the price goes up
again, then
just resume production? Even under new ownership? Doesn't sound
like a
permanent problem to me...
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
It's Saudi Arabia trying to squeeze out all the marginal producers.
Initially it will be Russia and some of the other marginals like
Iraq
Iran.
Pretty sure the shale oil and tar sands guys are hurting big time
right
now.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/13/2015 8:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I wonder what is really driving the price down. Fracking, OPEC
diaspora, CAFE improvements, Russia problems ???
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
Thanks Obama! (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
It's not a mass market item. On January 14, 2015 7:30:13 PM AKST, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: After several years, when will we see Licensed radios come down in price? There is so much margin in these things. Its ridiculous -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
[AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
After several years, when will we see Licensed radios come down in price? There is so much margin in these things. Its ridiculous
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
You can get a full link that does 400mbit up/down for around $6k sans licensing. I think that is pretty good compared to a few years ago. On Thursday, January 15, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs to take the reigns on the market. Even with certain companies throwing you a promo price, if you really look at it fully loaded, the price is still high for what you get. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: I think we're already seeing it. They're not wifi chipset based radio kind of prices, but they can be found for less than half of what you could get them for just a few years ago. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com'); wrote: After several years, when will we see Licensed radios come down in price? There is so much margin in these things. Its ridiculous
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
*soapbox* Demand in the overall marketplace has dropped for… 3 years straight now I think? Believe it or not – many of the LTE builds (at least in NA) are done for microwave. ATT stopped building about 6 months ago – many of their contractors went out of business. Millimeter wave and fiber are the technologies of choice. If you can get your hands on the EJL Wireless Microwave Reports they are very interesting – but you have to pay thru the nose to get them. 2015 is supposed to be a growth year… but only by a few percent over previous years… same with 2016. 2017 and 2018 are predicted to be negative years. Africa and Asia are the potential growth markets – but the instability in those regions can put major builds on hold quickly. The gear has either dropped significantly in price (I remember purchasing DragonWave Airpair Release 3 links for $20k+ for 100Mbps) or increase in capability. If the vendors were killing it – DragonWave, Ceragon, Aviat, etc. would not be reporting double digit million dollar losses annually. What happened with Exalt in 2014 wouldn’t have had happened. Aviat wouldn’t be going thru a major restructuring. Hard to decode the books for Ericson and Huawei since microwave revenue is disguised among other things – but they are making it based on LTE base station sales – the microwave often times is flat out given away for the services and LTE base station sales. Of course you can say that other circumstances were the cause for those loses – but sales solves everything right? Hard to give actual annual results as each manufacturer has different fiscal years… but many are reporting ~$50mil losses. Only one vendor in 2013 showed growth in terms of terminal sales that doesn’t sell millimeter wave gear (SAF). Sub10, Siklu, Alcoma, and BridgeWave were the others that showed growth (all of this at least is according to the EJL Wireless Report). 2014 numbers will be interesting (but a few months away). Margins for vendors and distributors/resellers are probably at an all-time low for this gear. No one is killing it. Look at the financials of all the publically traded companies out there that specialize in microwave gear (Ceragon, SAF, DragonWave, Aviat are probably the easiest). Ericsson, NEC, Alcatel-Lucent, Huawei, etc. are publically traded as well but are so diversified I don’t think numbers for them are meaningful. There are more than 20 vendors in this space – compare that to your PtMP options (Telrad, Cambium, and Ubiquiti probably being the most discussed at the moment). Consolidation is coming in this space I’m sure… with less true pure OEM’s being able to make a viable business case to stay afloat. Also – in the drive for diversification of feature sets – manufacturers are moving back to custom modems (where most last gen radios where built with Broadcom modems primarily). Long term that probably does the opposite of what the market wants – better feature set – but not a reduction in cost. These radios are expensive to produce – especially to comply with ETSI and other governing body regulations. They also take a lot of pre-sales and pre-sales engineering work to get the sale. The Ubiquiti model doesn’t work in this space (or at least until they show us how to do it ;-) I love my company though – and I love this space. But it is competitive, and the margins are certainly lower than they should be to support the RD and other services I think all of the manufacturers want to provide. *\soapbox* Anyways my observations of someone on the manufacturing side for the last few years. Pulling from the conversations in back bars with reps from other companies, and of course having worked for two backhaul manufacturers. Views above are solely my own – and probably not worth the bits it is taking up in your inbox :-) Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous With all of the licensed gear going in world-wide for LTE backhaul, I'd say there are more units moving than you'd think. Maybe it's that demand that's keeping prices up? I'd think that licensed backhauls would fit into the category of halve the cost, more than double your sales. In the Excel sheet I've compiled so far today, the prices range from $8.47/megabit/s to $23.86/megabit/s. That covers five vendors as well as uncompressed and compressed data rates. The cheapest actually isn't a compressed radio. Just dead simple bits. Should get some more prices in tomorrow morning. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions
News to me. Who is selling them for that price? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions It has a GPS puck but I keep hearing you want a single source for a site. I think the WB poe card thing is 80 bucks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 13, 2015 7:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: Josh, Doesn't epmp have sync built in? Also, can't find any real pricing on the unit, how much is it? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 7:12:47 PM, you wrote: JL That's an expensive solution and won't have sync but it should work. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 7:05 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Josh, JL GigE-POE Midspan POE Injector Surge Suppressor from wbmfg JL -- JL Best regards, JL ï¿œMarkï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ mailto:m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009 JL pg=team fr_id=37555 JL -- JL Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:56:29 PM, you wrote: JL I'm doing 24.05 volts.ï¿ Surge suppressors don't power thing... JL It needs 10 watts if it cold boots for the heater below 14f. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 6:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Got my epmp stuff in today.ï¿ Was planning on running it straight DC. JL Will 24V cut it?ï¿ Short run of CAT5 maybe 50'-60'.ï¿ Also can it be JL powered by the wbmfg poe SS? JL -- JL Thanks, JL ï¿ Markï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ mailto:m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL https://secure.acsevents.org/site/Donation2?df_id=1011305 JL PROXY_ID=1645865 PROXY_TYPE=22 FR_ID=57644 JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction
And Daniel et al are the ones paying for lunch, dinner, the show, pretty much everything. Please show your thanks by sticking around as much as possible. -Original Message- From: Daniel White Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction I heard that :-) Seriously I hope everyone sticks around. We got some new things to announce (or at least soft launch - I think Mobile World Congress will get the spotlight with the press releases, etc.) and some cool things to talk about. I'm sure I am going to talk about a lot more than I will be allowed to put in slides. Mimosa is after us as well - and I'm sure they have a lot to talk about as well. If I don't get dragged away - I'll be listening in. Of course I know Sterling is only doing fiber now ;-) That wireless stuff is just boring! Tuesday might be a good day to check out your fiber build as well Sterling. I won't be able to make it Tuesday or Friday... but I hope to see it myself sometime. Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction And no offense to SAF, but I'm leaving after lunch regardless :) -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction Ok, looks like I might be doing a panel on this too, maybe Friday. Maybe I can do a panel or a speech thing on it, then get whoever wants to come take an actual look at it as well. That way those that can't go will have some material and those that can will get a better actual look at it and more in depth. This would make the visit to my city potentially shorter and concentrate on looking at the deployment. Honestly it would be nice if I had the noonish panel slot and then we ate lunch and went down then came back. But that would mean missing the SAF presentation. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 2:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction Me too Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/13/15, 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Count me in. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 12:17 PM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Deployment/Construction I wouldn't mind taking a group of AF people down to my city Saratoga Springs south of Animal Farm and showing my fiber network. We would need to pick a day/time for it. I can show the cabinet/switch deployment side as I do things and give an overview of the networking etc. at my office. It may even be possible to show some actual construction in action, but that depends on what is going on first week of February in my construction schedule. Let me know what you guys think.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange?
Yes. It is close to 20v. Or at least it was when it left the shop. I will have my tower guy check when he is out there this afternoon. -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Date: 01/14/15 09:43 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange? Is your power source close to 20v? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373On Jan 14, 2015 8:30 AM, Gabriel Pike gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net wrote: Sync is through packetflux injector. I believe so it is working on FSK 900 on the same tower. On radios it shows that it is receiving sync. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange? What is your sync source? Are you confident that it is working properly? On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Gabriel Pike gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net wrote: Have any of you had problems with ePMP AP's randomly rebooting? I have other gear on the tower that is working fine the issue is with three ePMP 2.4 radios. What I am seeing is that the customer is attached and traffic is flowing, (customer is 3 meg), then bam AP's just reboot. I have a trouble ticket open with Cambium but I am wondering if anyone else is experiencing this? Gabriel
Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions
MSRP 70 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=77 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 10:21 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it was about half that when I checked. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No idea the actual price, just guessing. I remember it didn't make sense for my installs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: News to me. Who is selling them for that price? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions It has a GPS puck but I keep hearing you want a single source for a site. I think the WB poe card thing is 80 bucks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 13, 2015 7:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: Josh, Doesn't epmp have sync built in? Also, can't find any real pricing on the unit, how much is it? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 7:12:47 PM, you wrote: JL That's an expensive solution and won't have sync but it should work. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 7:05 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Josh, JL GigE-POE Midspan POE Injector Surge Suppressor from wbmfg JL -- JL Best regards, JL ï¿œMarkï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ mailto:m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009 JL pg=team fr_id=37555 JL -- JL Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:56:29 PM, you wrote: JL I'm doing 24.05 volts.ï¿ Surge suppressors don't power thing... JL It needs 10 watts if it cold boots for the heater below 14f. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 6:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Got my epmp stuff in today.ï¿ Was planning on running it straight DC. JL Will 24V cut it?ï¿ Short run of CAT5 maybe 50'-60'.ï¿ Also can it be JL powered by the wbmfg poe SS? JL -- JL Thanks, JL ï¿ Markï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ mailto: m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL https://secure.acsevents.org/site/Donation2?df_id=1011305 JL PROXY_ID=1645865 PROXY_TYPE=22 FR_ID=57644 JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions
And the street price is? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions MSRP 70 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=77 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 10:21 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it was about half that when I checked. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No idea the actual price, just guessing. I remember it didn't make sense for my installs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: News to me. Who is selling them for that price? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions It has a GPS puck but I keep hearing you want a single source for a site. I think the WB poe card thing is 80 bucks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 13, 2015 7:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: Josh, Doesn't epmp have sync built in? Also, can't find any real pricing on the unit, how much is it? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 7:12:47 PM, you wrote: JL That's an expensive solution and won't have sync but it should work. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 7:05 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Josh, JL GigE-POE Midspan POE Injector Surge Suppressor from wbmfg JL -- JL Best regards, JL ï¿œMarkï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ mailto:m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009 JL pg=team fr_id=37555 JL -- JL Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:56:29 PM, you wrote: JL I'm doing 24.05 volts.ï¿ Surge suppressors don't power thing... JL It needs 10 watts if it cold boots for the heater below 14f. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 6:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Got my epmp stuff in today.ï¿ Was planning on running it straight DC. JL Will 24V cut it?ï¿ Short run of CAT5 maybe 50'-60'.ï¿ Also can it be JL powered by the wbmfg poe SS? JL -- JL Thanks, JL ï¿ Markï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ mailto:m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL https://secure.acsevents.org/site/Donation2?df_id=1011305 JL PROXY_ID=1645865 PROXY_TYPE=22 FR_ID=57644 JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions
It looks like $70 MSRP for the APC version, $60 for the standalone version, street price on both below $40. If you think those are too expensive, price out Transtector ALPU or Cambium LPU, well over $100, and those are just surge suppressors. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:21 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions I thought it was about half that when I checked. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No idea the actual price, just guessing. I remember it didn't make sense for my installs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: News to me. Who is selling them for that price? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions It has a GPS puck but I keep hearing you want a single source for a site. I think the WB poe card thing is 80 bucks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 13, 2015 7:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: Josh, Doesn't epmp have sync built in? Also, can't find any real pricing on the unit, how much is it? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 7:12:47 PM, you wrote: JL That's an expensive solution and won't have sync but it should work. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 7:05 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Josh, JL GigE-POE Midspan POE Injector Surge Suppressor from wbmfg JL -- JL Best regards, JL ï¿œMarkï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ mailto:m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009 JL pg=team fr_id=37555 JL -- JL Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:56:29 PM, you wrote: JL I'm doing 24.05 volts.ï¿ Surge suppressors don't power thing... JL It needs 10 watts if it cold boots for the heater below 14f. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 6:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Got my epmp stuff in today.ï¿ Was planning on running it straight DC. JL Will 24V cut it?ï¿ Short run of CAT5 maybe 50'-60'.ï¿ Also can it be JL powered by the wbmfg poe SS? JL -- JL Thanks, JL ï¿ Markï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ mailto:m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL https://secure.acsevents.org/site/Donation2?df_id=1011305 JL PROXY_ID=1645865 PROXY_TYPE=22 FR_ID=57644 JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
Aggregation needs to be done on the modem at layer 1 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: afmu...@gmail.commailto:afmu...@gmail.com afmu...@gmail.commailto:afmu...@gmail.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 10:18 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link SAF has a good whitepaper on LAG and how it applies to each platform (currently being updated for Integra) – and certainly for instance our Lumina platform could only look at MAC addresses. Integra looks at the packet – just like better switches do. Or just do LAG on your router… or whatever other form of link aggregation you prefer. Honestly I think that is the better option. Control your network – let radios just be bridges (I’ve been saying that since my WISP days… watching features get added to radios that belong in a router/switch that cause more issues with proper operation due to firmware bugs). But that is a whole different can of worms :-D Sometimes I forget to put my vendor hat back on [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:09 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link I’m really not crazy about using LAG on backhaul links to get higher bandwidth. Most backhaul links are carrying traffic between two routers and there is no diversity in the MAC address or IP address, and the internal switches in a lot of the gear can’t look deep enough in the packet to consider UDP/TCP port. Even if they can all your port 80 traffic ends up on one side of the link. An internal method in the radio tying 2 channels together is fine, but counting on LAG to evenly balance traffic across multiple links only works well where there is a lot of diversity in MAC and IP addresses. Mark On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.commailto:afmu...@gmail.com wrote: We get there with 2+0 LAG as well. 11GHz won’t be until March though. Dual 80MHz wide channels will net well over 1.2Gbps without header compression. image001.jpg Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 6:43 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link The contenders are Dragonwave Quantum, Exalt ExtremeAir, Ceragon IP20, anyone else? I know SIAE, SAF and maybe some others (which others if you have them?) can get there with header compression. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
I can get really good pricing on an 80mhz 11GHz IP20 link at full speed or any freq for that matter. And help configure if anyone is interested. It takes 10 min to configure an IP20 if you know what your doing :) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Who are you guys talking to for Cambium PTPs or with their change in the channel, can anyone sell them? Now, just because someone can sell them doesn't mean they're competitive at it. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:43:14 AM Subject: 1 Gigabit Licensed Link The contenders are Dragonwave Quantum, Exalt ExtremeAir, Ceragon IP20, anyone else? I know SIAE, SAF and maybe some others (which others if you have them?) can get there with header compression. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
Did it fall off a truck? I just e-mailed the guys at MapleNet, but I'll e-mail you offlist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:42:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link I can get really good pricing on an 80mhz 11GHz IP20 link at full speed or any freq for that matter. And help configure if anyone is interested. It takes 10 min to configure an IP20 if you know what your doing :) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Who are you guys talking to for Cambium PTPs or with their change in the channel, can anyone sell them? Now, just because someone can sell them doesn't mean they're competitive at it. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:43:14 AM Subject: 1 Gigabit Licensed Link The contenders are Dragonwave Quantum, Exalt ExtremeAir, Ceragon IP20, anyone else? I know SIAE, SAF and maybe some others (which others if you have them?) can get there with header compression. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
no, we bought crates of links though :) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Did it fall off a truck? I just e-mailed the guys at MapleNet, but I'll e-mail you offlist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:42:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link I can get really good pricing on an 80mhz 11GHz IP20 link at full speed or any freq for that matter. And help configure if anyone is interested. It takes 10 min to configure an IP20 if you know what your doing :) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Who are you guys talking to for Cambium PTPs or with their change in the channel, can anyone sell them? Now, just because someone can sell them doesn't mean they're competitive at it. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:43:14 AM Subject: 1 Gigabit Licensed Link The contenders are Dragonwave Quantum, Exalt ExtremeAir, Ceragon IP20, anyone else? I know SIAE, SAF and maybe some others (which others if you have them?) can get there with header compression. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
Who are you guys talking to for Cambium PTPs or with their change in the channel, can anyone sell them? Now, just because someone can sell them doesn't mean they're competitive at it. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:43:14 AM Subject: 1 Gigabit Licensed Link The contenders are Dragonwave Quantum, Exalt ExtremeAir, Ceragon IP20, anyone else? I know SIAE, SAF and maybe some others (which others if you have them?) can get there with header compression. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions
I thought it was about half that when I checked. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No idea the actual price, just guessing. I remember it didn't make sense for my installs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: News to me. Who is selling them for that price? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions It has a GPS puck but I keep hearing you want a single source for a site. I think the WB poe card thing is 80 bucks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 13, 2015 7:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: Josh, Doesn't epmp have sync built in? Also, can't find any real pricing on the unit, how much is it? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 7:12:47 PM, you wrote: JL That's an expensive solution and won't have sync but it should work. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 7:05 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Josh, JL GigE-POE Midspan POE Injector Surge Suppressor from wbmfg JL -- JL Best regards, JL ï¿œMarkï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ mailto:m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009 JL pg=team fr_id=37555 JL -- JL Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:56:29 PM, you wrote: JL I'm doing 24.05 volts.ï¿ Surge suppressors don't power thing... JL It needs 10 watts if it cold boots for the heater below 14f. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 6:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Got my epmp stuff in today.ï¿ Was planning on running it straight DC. JL Will 24V cut it?ï¿ Short run of CAT5 maybe 50'-60'.ï¿ Also can it be JL powered by the wbmfg poe SS? JL -- JL Thanks, JL ï¿ Markï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ mailto: m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL https://secure.acsevents.org/site/Donation2?df_id=1011305 JL PROXY_ID=1645865 PROXY_TYPE=22 FR_ID=57644 JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions
Dunno, I needed 12 ports and 8 with sync. I haven't had a place to use one of these. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 10:30 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: And the street price is? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions MSRP 70 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=77 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 10:21 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it was about half that when I checked. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No idea the actual price, just guessing. I remember it didn't make sense for my installs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 9:29 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: News to me. Who is selling them for that price? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] my first epmp - Questions It has a GPS puck but I keep hearing you want a single source for a site. I think the WB poe card thing is 80 bucks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 13, 2015 7:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: Josh, Doesn't epmp have sync built in? Also, can't find any real pricing on the unit, how much is it? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 7:12:47 PM, you wrote: JL That's an expensive solution and won't have sync but it should work. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 7:05 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Josh, JL GigE-POE Midspan POE Injector Surge Suppressor from wbmfg JL -- JL Best regards, JL ï¿œMarkï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ ï¿œ mailto:m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009 JL pg=team fr_id=37555 JL -- JL Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:56:29 PM, you wrote: JL I'm doing 24.05 volts.ï¿ Surge suppressors don't power thing... JL It needs 10 watts if it cold boots for the heater below 14f. JL Josh Luthman JL Office: 937-552-2340 JL Direct: 937-552-2343 JL 1100 Wayne St JL Suite 1337 JL Troy, OH 45373 JL On Jan 13, 2015 6:52 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: JL Got my epmp stuff in today.ï¿ Was planning on running it straight DC. JL Will 24V cut it?ï¿ Short run of CAT5 maybe 50'-60'.ï¿ Also can it be JL powered by the wbmfg poe SS? JL -- JL Thanks, JL ï¿ Markï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ ï¿ mailto: m...@mailmt.com JL Myakka Technologies, Inc. JL www.MyakkaTech.com JL Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life JL http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL JL Please Donate at JL https://secure.acsevents.org/site/Donation2?df_id=1011305 JL PROXY_ID=1645865 PROXY_TYPE=22 FR_ID=57644 JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com JL --- JL This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! JL Antivirus protection is active. JL http://www.avast.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
On 1/14/15 6:18 AM, Daniel White wrote: SAF has a good whitepaper on LAG and how it applies to each platform (currently being updated for Integra) – and certainly for instance our Lumina platform could only look at MAC addresses. Integra looks at the packet – just like better switches do. I thought Integra would be able to do modem level aggregation? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange?
Is your power source close to 20v? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 8:30 AM, Gabriel Pike gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net wrote: Sync is through packetflux injector. I believe so it is working on FSK 900 on the same tower. On radios it shows that it is receiving sync. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:19 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange? What is your sync source? Are you confident that it is working properly? On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Gabriel Pike gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net wrote: Have any of you had problems with ePMP AP’s randomly rebooting? I have other gear on the tower that is working fine the issue is with three ePMP 2.4 radios. What I am seeing is that the customer is attached and traffic is flowing, (customer is 3 meg), then bam AP’s just reboot. I have a trouble ticket open with Cambium but I am wondering if anyone else is experiencing this? Gabriel
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange?
That's the cut off voltage. At 20.01 it will power off. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 10:04 AM, Gabriel.wispa gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net wrote: Yes. It is close to 20v. Or at least it was when it left the shop. I will have my tower guy check when he is out there this afternoon. -- -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Date: 01/14/15 09:43 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange? Is your power source close to 20v? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 14, 2015 8:30 AM, Gabriel Pike gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net wrote: Sync is through packetflux injector. I believe so it is working on FSK 900 on the same tower. On radios it shows that it is receiving sync. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of* Josh Baird *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:19 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP acting strange? What is your sync source? Are you confident that it is working properly? On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Gabriel Pike gabriel.wi...@dmcibb.net wrote: Have any of you had problems with ePMP AP's randomly rebooting? I have other gear on the tower that is working fine the issue is with three ePMP 2.4 radios. What I am seeing is that the customer is attached and traffic is flowing, (customer is 3 meg), then bam AP's just reboot. I have a trouble ticket open with Cambium but I am wondering if anyone else is experiencing this? Gabriel
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
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Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
We recently put in a 3.5 mile IP20C link, 11Ghz, 60Mhz XPIC with same frequency and it's doing a gig. 80Mhz will go faster, but it's all we had available at the time of the rush install for the ODU. The IP20C is cool because you can use two cores on one physical ODU and it makes the physical install clean and easy. Software setup is a bit, different? You'll need some help setting up the service flow yadda yadda for your first one but it's not bad. It ain't cheap, and there's a bunch of add on license stuff that make some folks cranky. You can run the 820 in linkplanner to see what they'll do and see what your % will be and you can play around with it a lot. SAF with LAG will be cheaper and probably a lot more familiar to you, if you're down with LAG. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: The contenders are Dragonwave Quantum, Exalt ExtremeAir, Ceragon IP20, anyone else? I know SIAE, SAF and maybe some others (which others if you have them?) can get there with header compression. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
+1, that the reason that I use Trango 2+0 it has physical aggregation on layer 1 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 10:09 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link I’m really not crazy about using LAG on backhaul links to get higher bandwidth. Most backhaul links are carrying traffic between two routers and there is no diversity in the MAC address or IP address, and the internal switches in a lot of the gear can’t look deep enough in the packet to consider UDP/TCP port. Even if they can all your port 80 traffic ends up on one side of the link. An internal method in the radio tying 2 channels together is fine, but counting on LAG to evenly balance traffic across multiple links only works well where there is a lot of diversity in MAC and IP addresses. Mark On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.commailto:afmu...@gmail.com wrote: We get there with 2+0 LAG as well. 11GHz won’t be until March though. Dual 80MHz wide channels will net well over 1.2Gbps without header compression. image001.jpg Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 6:43 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link The contenders are Dragonwave Quantum, Exalt ExtremeAir, Ceragon IP20, anyone else? I know SIAE, SAF and maybe some others (which others if you have them?) can get there with header compression. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL
