[AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmoun t-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it's a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/ www.gogebicrange.net
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
I agree/do what George said Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:29 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net
[AFMUG] ePMP tx power bug continues
I'm tired of repeating myself. Maybe no one else cares, but let me speak here first. I'm putting up a 5 GHz AP. It let's me select 26dBm tx power without warning until I hit save. Then it will give me a red info button at the top saying that's too much power. Well if you knew that value is invalid, why don't you tell me in that box like 27+ will??? I know this existed in 2.3.4 but it continues in 2.4.2. Am I the only one that this bothers? Why not just default it to max power like everyone will for isntallation and let ATPC/me turn down the power? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
Thanks. Who's a good supplier to buy from On Jun 3, 2015 3:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Genesis batteries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:21 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Is them alarm batteries? On Jun 3, 2015 3:17 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: What does the second device do? On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
APC 750 XL!!! Gino got me hooked on them. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Know of a few providers using their gear and they seem to like it … I’m biased towards APC personally for small UPS systems… *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brandon Yuchasz *Sent:* Wednesday, June 3, 2015 3:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] rack mount UPS. Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net
[AFMUG] 320 series - still using
I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product? Are you expanding with it as far as towers go? Or, are you just adding SMs to what you already have? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
Is them alarm batteries? On Jun 3, 2015 3:17 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: What does the second device do? On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
Genesis batteries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:21 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Is them alarm batteries? On Jun 3, 2015 3:17 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: What does the second device do? On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP sync differences CMM3 vs CMM4.
Yes that would probably make sense to do then. I'm more ePMP and couldn't care less about Canopy. Anything that's needed to make ePMP improvements I would certainly suggest. I'd rather avoid a sync source and ePMP GPS conflict. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: I agree...buy lots of packetflux gear instead. ;) I guess my implied question was more: Since the ePMP seems to treat the internal GPS and CMM4 timing identically, and the syncinjectors produce CMM3 timing which creates additional complications in mixed internal GPS/Syncinjector network, is there value in me bothering with a switch to switch between CMM3 and CMM4 timing in the syncinjectors?. The situation I see is where you have a network with syncinjectors, and for whatever reason the sync source fails on one of the injectors. You go into the ePMP and tell it to use the built-in GPS. Now you're in the situation that you have to go and mess with front and back settings to match the recommendation in the manual since the AP's you just switched are now on the opposite timing. If the syncinjector could be set to CMM4 timing, this wouldn't be necessary - swap the sync source, and you're still good to go. -forrest On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Thoughts? Don't buy a CMM4. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: On the cambium ask the synchronization experts thing I'm doing someone pointed out the section in the ePMP manual talking about frequency reuse. I had to go look since I had somehow missed that section. In case you haven't seen it, there's a deep discussion about the proper settings when you have a mixed network of internal GPS, CMM3 and CMM4. (See Page 94 in the current release). I admit my ignorance and I hadn't seen this yet, but. All I have to say is this: WTF Cambium? Ok, I know the dirty little secret that the CMM3 and CMM4 produce different timing pulses. Obviously different enough that it matters in the ePMP world. But the difference is easy enough to fix... add a fixed amount of delay which varies based on the timing source. They already have to delay the GPS timing signal to match the CMM4.Why not delay the two sources which are 'early' to match the 'late' source? Or even better, fix the CMM4 so it matches every other sync source on the planet - I'm shocked this hasn't already been done. Ok, I get it, it might be a hardware limitation which prevents one or both of the solutions. But come on, really? For the record the syncinjectors currently produce CMM3 timing, not CMM4. Since it's obvious that the difference matters now, I'm considering adding a software witch which allows this to be configured so you don't have to deal with a 'mixed' timing source since it seems like a CMM4 and internal GPS are identical. This should permit better operation when you have to switch between an internal GPS and a SyncInjector. Thoughts? -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
RSD B24 is a DC to DC power supply. The output is 24Volt, the input accepts a wider range (but nominally 24 Volt). The AD155B will output the float voltage of the batteries when AC is on (26V or so), and output battery voltage when AC is off, which will start around 24V when they're full charged and drop as the batteries discharge until they reach an LVD cutoff or the batteries are dead (I can't remember if the AD155 has LVD). So the 2nd device gives you a regulated 24Volts all the time. The RSD isn't really needed if the possible range of outputs from the batteries matches the acceptable range of inputs on your equipment. I suppose having it there removes any doubt. On 6/3/2015 4:17 PM, Keefe John wrote: What does the second device do? On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
PacketFlux SiteMonitor. [image: Inline image 1] Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Does anyone make something to monitor this setup? On 6/3/2015 3:24 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: RSD B24 is a DC to DC power supply. The output is 24Volt, the input accepts a wider range (but nominally 24 Volt). The AD155B will output the float voltage of the batteries when AC is on (26V or so), and output battery voltage when AC is off, which will start around 24V when they're full charged and drop as the batteries discharge until they reach an LVD cutoff or the batteries are dead (I can't remember if the AD155 has LVD). So the 2nd device gives you a regulated 24Volts all the time. The RSD isn't really needed if the possible range of outputs from the batteries matches the acceptable range of inputs on your equipment. I suppose having it there removes any doubt. On 6/3/2015 4:17 PM, Keefe John wrote: What does the second device do? On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net
Re: [AFMUG] OT - Mill machine
That's nice of you Chuck! -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 11:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Mill machine Send them on over, we can probably knock them out. -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 9:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT - Mill machine My son has a school project where he needs to get some parts milled out in aluminum. I think it is a total of about 7 small about 1 cubic inch parts. I have the parts files in a solid works format. Any one have access to a milling machine they would be willing to rent some time out on. Hit me off list and I can send you the parts files for review. -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
What does the second device do? On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
If you zoom in closely you'll see the sticker on the batteries =) use code SLABATT10 Genesis NP12-12 http://www.jmacsupply.com/EnerSys_NP12_12T_p/enersys-np12-12t.htm Last time I did the math it was 8 hours of runtime for these $100 batteries on a full Ubnt tower. Even if it's halved with ePMP you're getting 4 hours for $100. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:25 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Who's a good supplier to buy from On Jun 3, 2015 3:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Genesis batteries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:21 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Is them alarm batteries? On Jun 3, 2015 3:17 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: What does the second device do? On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP sync differences CMM3 vs CMM4.
Thoughts? Don't buy a CMM4. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: On the cambium ask the synchronization experts thing I'm doing someone pointed out the section in the ePMP manual talking about frequency reuse. I had to go look since I had somehow missed that section. In case you haven't seen it, there's a deep discussion about the proper settings when you have a mixed network of internal GPS, CMM3 and CMM4. (See Page 94 in the current release). I admit my ignorance and I hadn't seen this yet, but. All I have to say is this: WTF Cambium? Ok, I know the dirty little secret that the CMM3 and CMM4 produce different timing pulses. Obviously different enough that it matters in the ePMP world. But the difference is easy enough to fix... add a fixed amount of delay which varies based on the timing source. They already have to delay the GPS timing signal to match the CMM4.Why not delay the two sources which are 'early' to match the 'late' source? Or even better, fix the CMM4 so it matches every other sync source on the planet - I'm shocked this hasn't already been done. Ok, I get it, it might be a hardware limitation which prevents one or both of the solutions. But come on, really? For the record the syncinjectors currently produce CMM3 timing, not CMM4. Since it's obvious that the difference matters now, I'm considering adding a software witch which allows this to be configured so you don't have to deal with a 'mixed' timing source since it seems like a CMM4 and internal GPS are identical. This should permit better operation when you have to switch between an internal GPS and a SyncInjector. Thoughts? -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP sync differences CMM3 vs CMM4.
I agree...buy lots of packetflux gear instead. ;) I guess my implied question was more: Since the ePMP seems to treat the internal GPS and CMM4 timing identically, and the syncinjectors produce CMM3 timing which creates additional complications in mixed internal GPS/Syncinjector network, is there value in me bothering with a switch to switch between CMM3 and CMM4 timing in the syncinjectors?. The situation I see is where you have a network with syncinjectors, and for whatever reason the sync source fails on one of the injectors. You go into the ePMP and tell it to use the built-in GPS. Now you're in the situation that you have to go and mess with front and back settings to match the recommendation in the manual since the AP's you just switched are now on the opposite timing. If the syncinjector could be set to CMM4 timing, this wouldn't be necessary - swap the sync source, and you're still good to go. -forrest On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Thoughts? Don't buy a CMM4. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: On the cambium ask the synchronization experts thing I'm doing someone pointed out the section in the ePMP manual talking about frequency reuse. I had to go look since I had somehow missed that section. In case you haven't seen it, there's a deep discussion about the proper settings when you have a mixed network of internal GPS, CMM3 and CMM4. (See Page 94 in the current release). I admit my ignorance and I hadn't seen this yet, but. All I have to say is this: WTF Cambium? Ok, I know the dirty little secret that the CMM3 and CMM4 produce different timing pulses. Obviously different enough that it matters in the ePMP world. But the difference is easy enough to fix... add a fixed amount of delay which varies based on the timing source. They already have to delay the GPS timing signal to match the CMM4.Why not delay the two sources which are 'early' to match the 'late' source? Or even better, fix the CMM4 so it matches every other sync source on the planet - I'm shocked this hasn't already been done. Ok, I get it, it might be a hardware limitation which prevents one or both of the solutions. But come on, really? For the record the syncinjectors currently produce CMM3 timing, not CMM4. Since it's obvious that the difference matters now, I'm considering adding a software witch which allows this to be configured so you don't have to deal with a 'mixed' timing source since it seems like a CMM4 and internal GPS are identical. This should permit better operation when you have to switch between an internal GPS and a SyncInjector. Thoughts? -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
+1. George has never steered me wrong.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/3/2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I agree/do what George said
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:29 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
He said he already has PacketFlux injectors.
The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed
is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27).
I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything.
My $0.0314
On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your
converting DC to AC and then back to DC
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz
li...@gogebicrange.net mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net wrote:
Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit.
http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html
We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote
site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are
feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So
it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so
this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run
time just something to even out the spring time power issues
during storms.
Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
The right device does 27.3 volts in from the left device (battery charge voltage) and spits out a very clean 24v. It will go as low as 18 or 19v from the battery until it shuts off. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: What does the second device do? On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
Kick ass I'm gonna explore this more On Jun 3, 2015 3:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If you zoom in closely you'll see the sticker on the batteries =) use code SLABATT10 Genesis NP12-12 http://www.jmacsupply.com/EnerSys_NP12_12T_p/enersys-np12-12t.htm Last time I did the math it was 8 hours of runtime for these $100 batteries on a full Ubnt tower. Even if it's halved with ePMP you're getting 4 hours for $100. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:25 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Who's a good supplier to buy from On Jun 3, 2015 3:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Genesis batteries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:21 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Is them alarm batteries? On Jun 3, 2015 3:17 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: What does the second device do? On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
Does anyone make something to monitor this setup? On 6/3/2015 3:24 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: RSD B24 is a DC to DC power supply. The output is 24Volt, the input accepts a wider range (but nominally 24 Volt). The AD155B will output the float voltage of the batteries when AC is on (26V or so), and output battery voltage when AC is off, which will start around 24V when they're full charged and drop as the batteries discharge until they reach an LVD cutoff or the batteries are dead (I can't remember if the AD155 has LVD). So the 2nd device gives you a regulated 24Volts all the time. The RSD isn't really needed if the possible range of outputs from the batteries matches the acceptable range of inputs on your equipment. I suppose having it there removes any doubt. On 6/3/2015 4:17 PM, Keefe John wrote: What does the second device do? On 6/3/2015 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1oe0bwirtyfsdb/2014-11-26%2019.37.29.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
Know of a few providers using their gear and they seem to like it . I'm biased towards APC personally for small UPS systems. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 3:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS. Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmoun t-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it's a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
Yeah, we've had great luck with the APC rack mount lines. 750's, XL's, even
got a 1500 in prod. Network management cards and snmp is awesome.
Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband https://siuslawbroadband.com
541-902-5101
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
+1. George has never steered me wrong.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/3/2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I agree/do what George said
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:29 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
He said he already has PacketFlux injectors.
The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also
24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27).
I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything.
My $0.0314
On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your
converting DC to AC and then back to DC
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net
wrote:
Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit.
http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html
We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all
cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux.
Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in
a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a
long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues
during storms.
Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net
[AFMUG] ePMP sync differences CMM3 vs CMM4.
On the cambium ask the synchronization experts thing I'm doing someone pointed out the section in the ePMP manual talking about frequency reuse. I had to go look since I had somehow missed that section. In case you haven't seen it, there's a deep discussion about the proper settings when you have a mixed network of internal GPS, CMM3 and CMM4. (See Page 94 in the current release). I admit my ignorance and I hadn't seen this yet, but. All I have to say is this: WTF Cambium? Ok, I know the dirty little secret that the CMM3 and CMM4 produce different timing pulses. Obviously different enough that it matters in the ePMP world. But the difference is easy enough to fix... add a fixed amount of delay which varies based on the timing source. They already have to delay the GPS timing signal to match the CMM4.Why not delay the two sources which are 'early' to match the 'late' source? Or even better, fix the CMM4 so it matches every other sync source on the planet - I'm shocked this hasn't already been done. Ok, I get it, it might be a hardware limitation which prevents one or both of the solutions. But come on, really? For the record the syncinjectors currently produce CMM3 timing, not CMM4. Since it's obvious that the difference matters now, I'm considering adding a software witch which allows this to be configured so you don't have to deal with a 'mixed' timing source since it seems like a CMM4 and internal GPS are identical. This should permit better operation when you have to switch between an internal GPS and a SyncInjector. Thoughts? -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP tx power bug continues
We don't have a issue with ours yet we just got our stuff in a few days ago I believe mine is 26dBm On Jun 3, 2015 2:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm tired of repeating myself. Maybe no one else cares, but let me speak here first. I'm putting up a 5 GHz AP. It let's me select 26dBm tx power without warning until I hit save. Then it will give me a red info button at the top saying that's too much power. Well if you knew that value is invalid, why don't you tell me in that box like 27+ will??? I know this existed in 2.3.4 but it continues in 2.4.2. Am I the only one that this bothers? Why not just default it to max power like everyone will for isntallation and let ATPC/me turn down the power? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to redeploy. The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 APs to small sites. We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to test the 1x magic out. I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access to the purse strings. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product? Are you expanding with it as far as towers go? Or, are you just adding SMs to what you already have? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
Do you notice any change in pattern of the antenna? That really should influence the pattern I would think. Maybe Chuck will chime in. On Jun 3, 2015 5:33 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: On my first tower we ran a 10ft section of conduit at the top as lightning rod with a number 4 or 6 copper wire from the ground rod all the way to the top. It is the highest point on my tower. The only time lightning has been an issue here it hit a tree nearby and came in through the buried cable. We also have a piece of copper wire run up the side of each omni sticking about 3 inches above the top. - Original Message - *From:* Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM *Subject:* [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant ManagerThe Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
I saw that at the NATE Unite show this year. BIG! On 6/3/2015 4:57 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: At IWCE there was someone settling an $8000 vandegraph generator looking thing that said they had never had a hit on a protected tower. On Jun 3, 2015 5:54 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I have used them. I believe the theories. But I think you would have to talk to broadcasters to get a good opinion. They don’t seem to be as popular as they once were. *From:* Edward Brooks mailto:broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Thanks Ken, Has anyone had any experience with dissipators? Are they worth the money and labor? -Ed -- Edward Brooks /Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation/ 406-443-3347 X506 tel:406-443-3347%20X506 On 6/3/2015 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. *From:* Edward Brooks mailto:broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks /Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation/ 406-443-3347 tel:406-443-3347 X506 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
Nope Jaime Solorza On Jun 3, 2015 6:17 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Then you're not following the single-point/everything connected principle. On 6/3/2015 7:09 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: I run the ground wire directly to dedicated ground rod. We DO Not tie in to ring or grid. This is a straight shot... Jaime Solorza On Jun 3, 2015 5:15 PM, Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net wrote: So, to clarify things. These are Cyclone 2450-VS APs set to 120deg. That said, the idea with the ground wires for the omni may not work. A surge arrestor at the top and bottom (not part way up). Try not to be the tallest thing on the tower. Aerial at top with dedicated ground wire to ground rod tied into Tower ground ring. Does that about sum it up? -Ed On 6/3/2015 4:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I have used them. I believe the theories. But I think you would have to talk to broadcasters to get a good opinion. They don’t seem to be as popular as they once were. *From:* Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Thanks Ken, Has anyone had any experience with dissipators? Are they worth the money and labor? -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 406-443-3347%20X506 On 6/3/2015 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. *From:* Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 406-443-3347%20X506 -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
So, something like this then? https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: Simple: buy cat 5 grounding kits for Shielded cable. Use them at top, middle and bottom. No more no less. Doesn't involve cutting cable just connect into shield and water proof like hell. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. *From:* Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant ManagerThe Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
Then you're not following the single-point/everything connected principle. On 6/3/2015 7:09 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: I run the ground wire directly to dedicated ground rod. We DO Not tie in to ring or grid. This is a straight shot... Jaime Solorza On Jun 3, 2015 5:15 PM, Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net mailto:broo...@mt.net wrote: So, to clarify things. These are Cyclone 2450-VS APs set to 120deg. That said, the idea with the ground wires for the omni may not work. A surge arrestor at the top and bottom (not part way up). Try not to be the tallest thing on the tower. Aerial at top with dedicated ground wire to ground rod tied into Tower ground ring. Does that about sum it up? -Ed On 6/3/2015 4:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I have used them. I believe the theories. But I think you would have to talk to broadcasters to get a good opinion. They don’t seem to be as popular as they once were. *From:* Edward Brooks mailto:broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Thanks Ken, Has anyone had any experience with dissipators? Are they worth the money and labor? -Ed -- Edward Brooks /Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation/ 406-443-3347 X506 tel:406-443-3347%20X506 On 6/3/2015 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. *From:* Edward Brooks mailto:broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks /Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation/ 406-443-3347 X506 tel:406-443-3347%20X506 Avast logo https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
It's funny to find this discussion on the list today, we have been talking about our drill doctor since this morning. We use a lot of 5/8x18 Irwin installer bits. We like them because they are reasonably priced, long enough to get through most of the log cabins here, and come with a 90deg angle point as opposed to the more common 118deg angle point. We run them into the ground though, which sucks the next time you have to drill through thinner wood siding or shingles because it will often split the wood on the exit hole, so you have to keep them sharp. We have a drill doctor, but it just does the 118deg angle which doesn't bite as well. Spent part of the day looking for a drill doctor with a 90deg or better angle, but it seems they don't make one. We'd probably be better off buying a table grinding wheel and a drill bit jig, but that can get spendy. Our end result decision is to just buy a crap ton of irwin bits. If anybody has a source for these, we'd like to buy in bulk at cheaper than $11/bit (local pricing). Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2015 04:12 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: I bought a drill doctor and even though the bits looked good, they didn�t work as well. We do mostly wood but installers are sometimes too lazy to change the bit when they get to the stucco and that dulls them faster. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett *Sent:* Wednesday, June 3, 2015 3:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits *doing it with a ben*ch grinder*. I was at a machine shop where they were doing it with a ben You can do it by hand with a bit of practice. � *From:*Glen Waldrop mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net *Sent:*Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits � My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same. In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one. � It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered again after sharpening. � � - Original Message - *From:*Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM *Subject:*[AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits � We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits.� When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? � *Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO* *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040* *602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net* � *�You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.� � Unknown* �
Re: [AFMUG] customers and roofers (rant)
It could be a warranty thing... but likely not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 4:23:58 PM Subject: [AFMUG] customers and roofers (rant) Why do customers say things like if your guy is going to mount anything to my roof, then my roofing guy will have to be here to supervise, yet they feel fine having roofers take down our equipment and cables and remount them without telling us? And then act like we're saying stupid stuff when we ask if they called us to come out and re-aim the dish afterward, saying there was no need, my computer worked afterward. You'd think roofers were highly trained in sophisticated technology, while we Internet guys are dolts. Hell, I've seen roofers re-attach a J-pipe to the new roof with roofing nails.
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
We always run a 2/0 ground to the router top and exothermically weld it to a bus bar and ground everything up there to the same bus bar. The thought is that after a while the connection between the sections deteriorates. I honestly have no imperial evidence to support the practice. I don't see how, or any benefit, to outing surge arrestors every 75 feet. In fact, if you reread the R56 I'll bet it is talking about grounding the shield of coax, not actually a surge arrestor. On Jun 3, 2015 5:24 PM, Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net wrote: Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
We sharpen them again and again until they won't hold an edge anymore On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits. When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* *602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net');* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/* *“You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown*
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
Old Franklin system is still the best according to science and my experience if that means anything. Aerial at top. Good copper cable to grounding rod buried 8 to 10 ft. Has worked well for us. The aerials are the highest point. We are in the desert and winds cause lots of static build up. On Coax installs we use Heliax cable and grounding kit bonded to grounding system. Polyphaser LA outside on grounding bus or enclosures. Radio and LA grounded to its own system. Ethernet cable goes to ESD protection port on industrial switch So far it has worked for us. Jaime Solorza On Jun 3, 2015 4:51 PM, Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net wrote: Thanks Ken, Has anyone had any experience with dissipators? Are they worth the money and labor? -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 On 6/3/2015 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. *From:* Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
So, to clarify things. These are Cyclone 2450-VS APs set to 120deg. That said, the idea with the ground wires for the omni may not work. A surge arrestor at the top and bottom (not part way up). Try not to be the tallest thing on the tower. Aerial at top with dedicated ground wire to ground rod tied into Tower ground ring. Does that about sum it up? -Ed On 6/3/2015 4:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I have used them. I believe the theories. But I think you would have to talk to broadcasters to get a good opinion. They don’t seem to be as popular as they once were. *From:* Edward Brooks mailto:broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Thanks Ken, Has anyone had any experience with dissipators? Are they worth the money and labor? -Ed -- Edward Brooks /Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation/ 406-443-3347 X506 On 6/3/2015 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. *From:* Edward Brooks mailto:broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks /Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation/ 406-443-3347 X506 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
What you want for the concrete is a rotary hammer. A little spendy and the bit cost is astronomical, but they will bite through granite like it's nothing in seconds. We use rotary hammers for rohn wall mount kits going into brick, concrete, and stone. Have only tried the corded hitachi's, although dewalt has a cordless one I've been keeping my eye on. http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-DH40MRY-16-inch-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B000XVINQY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8qid=1433378353sr=8-4keywords=hitachi+rotary+hammer is what we've used. http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCH253M2-Mode-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B00DD1UOTU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8qid=1433378421sr=8-9keywords=dewalt+rotary+hammer is the one I've had my eye on. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2015 02:37 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: We are trying different brands for 3/32 holes we need for door contacts and switches. Metal is tough then we hit concrete on door frame. Slow speeds and oil helps but we eat them up. For concrete and cinder block walls Hilti drill and bits have no problem. Jaime Solorza On Jun 3, 2015 4:26 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: You can do it by hand with a bit of practice. *From:* Glen Waldrop mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same. In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one. It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered again after sharpening. - Original Message - *From:* Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits. When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO* *4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* *602-426-0542 tel:602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net* ** *“You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown*
Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
Interesting. I agree with the dream of having someone re-write the firmware to interface 320 stuff with the FCC database. Probably just a dream though. On the 450, you mention being able to sync with customers down the road. The way I understand it, there is no standard being proposed that would make that happen… if you have 5 other people with like or unlike platforms playing in “your” RF space, they can still have the same frequency contention challenges that you have now. Its just that they would be restricted from competing with the known higher priority users in the database. I was curious to see what the consensus is on 320 use moving forward for those that have found it to be the only way to service certain NLOS customers. The considerations seem to be… 1) Replace with 450 series gear at 3.65 and loose some of the customers that were tough NLOS problems that the 320 series solved. (if your were using the 320 only because it was a cleaner freq. band (3.65), then the 450 seems to make sense for that. 2) Replace with Telrad gear at 3.65 (pricey) and sell off their old 320 series for whatever they can get. 3) Deploy MORE 320 gear because it is working well and solves the specific problem. BW limited but works pretty well (*some might debate that) At this moment, can you add ANY new 3.65 AP locations (from any manufacturer) or forced to wait until the “next” thing comes to play with the FCC rules? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to redeploy. The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 APs to small sites. We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to test the 1x magic out. I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access to the purse strings. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product? Are you expanding with it as far as towers go? Or, are you just adding SMs to what you already have? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on? Kind of a 3650 MHz cash-for-clunkers program. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to redeploy. The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 APs to small sites. We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to test the 1x magic out. I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access to the purse strings. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product? Are you expanding with it as far as towers go? Or, are you just adding SMs to what you already have? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] customers and roofers (rant)
roofers around here, for whatever reason are masters at blind pointing our gear. I guess its all the corn guns and bibles that bring us the good luck. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: It seems like using Roofing nails for Jlegs and tripods are what's taught at roofing school. From a textbook I'm sure roofers use: Has the antenna fallen off the roof before your truck leaves the property? If not, then it was installed properly. If it falls off after this point, then it is shoddy equipment. The Sky is Big and all antennas get signal from the sky, therefore any antenna can be installed in any orientation, as long as it can mostly see the sky. If it does not work, then it is shoddy equipment On 6/3/2015 4:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Why do customers say things like if your guy is going to mount anything to my roof, then my roofing guy will have to be here to supervise, yet they feel fine having roofers take down our equipment and cables and remount them without telling us? And then act like we're saying stupid stuff when we ask if they called us to come out and re-aim the dish afterward, saying there was no need, my computer worked afterward. You'd think roofers were highly trained in sophisticated technology, while we Internet guys are dolts. Hell, I've seen roofers re-attach a J-pipe to the new roof with roofing nails. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits. When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net/ You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place. - Unknown
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
You can do it by hand with a bit of practice. From: Glen Waldrop Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same. In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one. It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered again after sharpening. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits. When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless CEO 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place. Unknown
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. From: Edward Brooks Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation 406-443-3347 X506 This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
Thanks Ken, Has anyone had any experience with dissipators? Are they worth the money and labor? -Ed -- Edward Brooks /Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation/ 406-443-3347 X506 On 6/3/2015 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. *From:* Edward Brooks mailto:broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks /Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation/ 406-443-3347 X506 Avast logo https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
That is how I do them. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits *doing it with a bench grinder. I was at a machine shop where they were doing it with a ben You can do it by hand with a bit of practice. � From: Glen Waldrop Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits � My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same. In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one. � It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered again after sharpening. � � - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits � We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits.� When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? � Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO 4226 S. 37th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net � �You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.� � Unknown �
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
I was at a machine shop where they were doing it with a ben You can do it by hand with a bit of practice. *From:* Glen Waldrop mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same. In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one. It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered again after sharpening. - Original Message - *From:* Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits. When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? *Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO* *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040* *602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net* ** *�You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.� � Unknown*
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
*doing it with a ben*ch grinder*. I was at a machine shop where they were doing it with a ben You can do it by hand with a bit of practice. � *From:* Glen Waldrop mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits � My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same. In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one. � It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered again after sharpening. � � - Original Message - *From:* Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits � We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits.� When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? � *Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO* *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040* *602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net* **� *�You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.� � Unknown* �
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP sync differences CMM3 vs CMM4.
I wonder if this affects the 450 at all. I have a site with funky GPS problems from time to time. Two 5GHz 450 sectors back to back on the same freq. Each have their own Parasitic pipe. Sometimes one will lose sync on the timing port and switch to on-board. The other is still happily running on the timing port. I had an SM that could NOT see the beacon from the AP that was facing right at it, so it tried to registered to the other sector at -88dbm. This tells me the timing between the G pipes and the 450 on-board GPS is slightly different, even though it's the same damn receiver. Cambium must be delaying the on-board pulse to match the CMM4 because this is exactly what it looks like is happening here. Well, I assume the SyncPipes are lined up with the CMM3, right? So yeah, I'd say give us the option in the SyncInjector firmware. Can't hurt to have it. On 6/3/2015 3:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: I agree...buy lots of packetflux gear instead. ;) I guess my implied question was more: Since the ePMP seems to treat the internal GPS and CMM4 timing identically, and the syncinjectors produce CMM3 timing which creates additional complications in mixed internal GPS/Syncinjector network, is there value in me bothering with a switch to switch between CMM3 and CMM4 timing in the syncinjectors?. The situation I see is where you have a network with syncinjectors, and for whatever reason the sync source fails on one of the injectors. You go into the ePMP and tell it to use the built-in GPS. Now you're in the situation that you have to go and mess with front and back settings to match the recommendation in the manual since the AP's you just switched are now on the opposite timing. If the syncinjector could be set to CMM4 timing, this wouldn't be necessary - swap the sync source, and you're still good to go. -forrest On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Thoughts? Don't buy a CMM4. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com mailto:li...@packetflux.com wrote: On the cambium ask the synchronization experts thing I'm doing someone pointed out the section in the ePMP manual talking about frequency reuse. I had to go look since I had somehow missed that section. In case you haven't seen it, there's a deep discussion about the proper settings when you have a mixed network of internal GPS, CMM3 and CMM4. (See Page 94 in the current release). I admit my ignorance and I hadn't seen this yet, but. All I have to say is this: WTF Cambium? Ok, I know the dirty little secret that the CMM3 and CMM4 produce different timing pulses. Obviously different enough that it matters in the ePMP world. But the difference is easy enough to fix... add a fixed amount of delay which varies based on the timing source. They already have to delay the GPS timing signal to match the CMM4.Why not delay the two sources which are 'early' to match the 'late' source? Or even better, fix the CMM4 so it matches every other sync source on the planet - I'm shocked this hasn't already been done. Ok, I get it, it might be a hardware limitation which prevents one or both of the solutions. But come on, really? For the record the syncinjectors currently produce CMM3 timing, not CMM4. Since it's obvious that the difference matters now, I'm considering adding a software witch which allows this to be configured so you don't have to deal with a 'mixed' timing source since it seems like a CMM4 and internal GPS are identical. This should permit better operation when you have to switch between an internal GPS and a SyncInjector. Thoughts? -- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./ Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com mailto:forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.packetflux.com/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./ Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com mailto:forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.packetflux.com/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
I run the ground wire directly to dedicated ground rod. We DO Not tie in to ring or grid. This is a straight shot... Jaime Solorza On Jun 3, 2015 5:15 PM, Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net wrote: So, to clarify things. These are Cyclone 2450-VS APs set to 120deg. That said, the idea with the ground wires for the omni may not work. A surge arrestor at the top and bottom (not part way up). Try not to be the tallest thing on the tower. Aerial at top with dedicated ground wire to ground rod tied into Tower ground ring. Does that about sum it up? -Ed On 6/3/2015 4:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I have used them. I believe the theories. But I think you would have to talk to broadcasters to get a good opinion. They don’t seem to be as popular as they once were. *From:* Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Thanks Ken, Has anyone had any experience with dissipators? Are they worth the money and labor? -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 On 6/3/2015 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. *From:* Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
Simple: buy cat 5 grounding kits for Shielded cable. Use them at top, middle and bottom. No more no less. Doesn't involve cutting cable just connect into shield and water proof like hell. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. From: Edward Brooks Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation 406-443-3347 X506 This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
RANT
With the near-universal grousing about the lack of spectrum, why aren't
there any initiatives toward find more/better ways to share spectrum?
AKA if we could only get along...
/RANT
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/3/2015 2:37 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
Interesting. I agree with the dream of having someone re-write the
firmware to interface 320 stuff with the FCC database. Probably just a
dream though.
On the 450, you mention being able to sync with customers down the
road. The way I understand it, there is no standard being proposed
that would make that happen… if you have 5 other people with like or
unlike platforms playing in “your” RF space, they can still have the
same frequency contention challenges that you have now. Its just
that they would be restricted from competing with the known higher
priority users in the database.
I was curious to see what the consensus is on 320 use moving forward
for those that have found it to be the only way to service certain
NLOS customers.
The considerations seem to be…
1)Replace with 450 series gear at 3.65 and loose some of the customers
that were tough NLOS problems that the 320 series solved.
(if your were using the 320 only because it was a cleaner freq. band
(3.65), then the 450 seems to make sense for that.
2)Replace with Telrad gear at 3.65 (pricey) and sell off their old 320
series for whatever they can get.
3)Deploy MORE 320 gear because it is working well and solves the
specific problem. BW limited but works pretty well (*some might
debate that)
*At this moment, can you add ANY new 3.65 AP locations (from any
manufacturer) or forced to wait until the “next” thing comes to play
with the FCC rules?*
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
/sarcasm
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:09 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have
a dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware
load. Some creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320
APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with
telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to redeploy.
The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an
intermediary server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we
can redeploy the 320 APs to small sites.
We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us
up there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease
side and our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good
links so we havent been able to test the 1x magic out.
I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able
to sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the
potential nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to
sync with competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me,
especially with an AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using
gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access
to the purse strings.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320
series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series
3.65 product?
Are you expanding with it as far as towers go? Or, are you just
adding SMs to what you already have?
Paul
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
Ive said that forever, there should be a lite license basically, you can
use whatever gear you want wherever you want to use it. but if an operator
moves into the area that uses a standardized colocation/sync (fcc approved,
blech) they can force you off the band. That way podunk dead areas dont
have the expense, but congested areas dont have cheap bastards mucking
things up.
The competitive and self syncing capability of the canopy line is probably
the primary reason they dominated the way they did, its also the only
product currently on the standard market you can realistically do that with
inside an affordable platform.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
RANT
With the near-universal grousing about the lack of spectrum, why aren't
there any initiatives toward find more/better ways to share spectrum? AKA
if we could only get along...
/RANT
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/3/2015 2:37 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
Interesting. I agree with the dream of having someone re-write the
firmware to interface 320 stuff with the FCC database. Probably just a
dream though.
On the 450, you mention being able to sync with customers down the road.
The way I understand it, there is no standard being proposed that would
make that happen… if you have 5 other people with like or unlike platforms
playing in “your” RF space, they can still have the same frequency
contention challenges that you have now. Its just that they would be
restricted from competing with the known higher priority users in the
database.
I was curious to see what the consensus is on 320 use moving forward for
those that have found it to be the only way to service certain NLOS
customers.
The considerations seem to be…
1) Replace with 450 series gear at 3.65 and loose some of the
customers that were tough NLOS problems that the 320 series solved.
(if your were using the 320 only because it was a cleaner freq. band
(3.65), then the 450 seems to make sense for that.
2) Replace with Telrad gear at 3.65 (pricey) and sell off their old
320 series for whatever they can get.
3) Deploy MORE 320 gear because it is working well and solves the
specific problem. BW limited but works pretty well (*some might debate
that)
*At this moment, can you add ANY new 3.65 AP locations (from any
manufacturer) or forced to wait until the “next” thing comes to play with
the FCC rules?*
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:09 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a
dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some
creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing
the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us
320 CPEs to redeploy.
The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary
server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the
320 APs to small sites.
We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up
there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and
our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent
been able to test the 1x magic out.
I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to
sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential
nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with
competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an
AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life,
but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access to the purse strings.
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320
series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65
product?
Are you expanding with it as far as towers go? Or, are you just adding
SMs to what you already have?
Paul
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
At my old job they were keeping them for as long as possible - way too much invested in that platform to walk away . 450's on new sites as they were being built . From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 4:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product? Are you expanding with it as far as towers go? Or, are you just adding SMs to what you already have? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks /Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation/ 406-443-3347 X506 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same. In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one. It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered again after sharpening. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits. When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? Rory Conaway . Triad Wireless . CEO 4226 S. 37th Street . Phoenix . AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place. - Unknown
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
At IWCE there was someone settling an $8000 vandegraph generator looking thing that said they had never had a hit on a protected tower. On Jun 3, 2015 5:54 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I have used them. I believe the theories. But I think you would have to talk to broadcasters to get a good opinion. They don’t seem to be as popular as they once were. *From:* Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Thanks Ken, Has anyone had any experience with dissipators? Are they worth the money and labor? -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant ManagerThe Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 On 6/3/2015 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. *From:* Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant ManagerThe Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Square mutli-sector mount
No, they fab and galvanize everything in Florida. They have made slightly customized sidearms for me in the past. Most tower steel parts are knockoffs of some Andrew or Rohn part, so yes if you use a Commscope/Andrew part you can likely find an equivalent from CI Wireless, just like Nello and Rohn. But AFAIK they make all their own stuff. From: Peter Kranz Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Square mutli-sector mount Isn’t Connect-It just reselling the commscope part? Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 3:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Square mutli-sector mount If that’s really what you want, I’d call Connect-It and ask for a quote on a custom version of this: http://www.ciwireless.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Product-Specifications-TP3.pdf From: Peter Kranz Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Square mutli-sector mount Anyone seen this design in a square or rectangle format? I need a sturdy mount to fit inside this fancy copper roof area that bolts to the floor only. I don’t want to touch the railings. http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=1888tab=3 Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] rack mount UPS.
I've tested RB750GL's directly on the AD-155B which I have set to float the batteries at 27.6V. The 750GL seems to handle this fine. 493AH boards will NOT take over 26.5-ish volts. Not sure about the 493G's. I really doubt the 1100 models will handle 27 volts. The RSD is a DC-DC converter and gets you very stable output. All the ones I've put in sit between 23.2 and 23.9 volts, depending on load, temperature, etc. The Canopy, ePMP and PacketFlux stuff will all work just fine up to 30VDC. It's the damn MikroTik and UBNT stuff that can't take the higher voltages. MikroTik is STILL producing stuff that won't take over 25-26 volts. I HATE it. I think UBNT has learned their lesson on this though. Make 24V stuff take up to 30V and 48V stuff take up to 58-60V. On 6/3/2015 3:07 PM, Keefe John wrote: Why do you need both meanwell parts? Do you have a sample setup pictures or diagram? On 6/3/2015 2:29 PM, George Skorup wrote: He said he already has PacketFlux injectors. The RB1100 will run 24v PoE in on ether13. Everything else listed is also 24v. But I bet the 1100 will not like DC float voltage (27). I would put in a Mean Well AD-155B and a RSD150B-24. Fuse everything. My $0.0314 On 6/3/2015 2:15 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Get a netonix dc poe switch, a battery and a ICT Dc ups :) Your converting DC to AC and then back to DC On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Looking to see if anyone has and feedback on this unit. http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/rackmount-lcd/CPS1500AVR.html We are looking for a rack mount UPS to install at a remote site. It all cambium. 3 FSK 2Epmp and 4 Eptp. All those are feed through PacketFlux. Also have one Mikrotik RB1100. So it’s a fairly light site. The rack is in a small enclosure so this seems to be a good fit. I am not looking for a long run time just something to even out the spring time power issues during storms. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/
Re: [AFMUG] customers and roofers (rant)
It seems like using Roofing nails for Jlegs and tripods are what's taught at roofing school. From a textbook I'm sure roofers use: Has the antenna fallen off the roof before your truck leaves the property? If not, then it was installed properly. If it falls off after this point, then it is shoddy equipment. The Sky is Big and all antennas get signal from the sky, therefore any antenna can be installed in any orientation, as long as it can mostly see the sky. If it does not work, then it is shoddy equipment On 6/3/2015 4:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Why do customers say things like if your guy is going to mount anything to my roof, then my roofing guy will have to be here to supervise, yet they feel fine having roofers take down our equipment and cables and remount them without telling us? And then act like we're saying stupid stuff when we ask if they called us to come out and re-aim the dish afterward, saying there was no need, my computer worked afterward. You'd think roofers were highly trained in sophisticated technology, while we Internet guys are dolts. Hell, I've seen roofers re-attach a J-pipe to the new roof with roofing nails.
Re: [AFMUG] customers and roofers (rant)
lol We've had decent luck here as well, but it's only been two or three times. I have had the home owner line up the antenna more than once though, since I obviously had it pointing the wrong way... Routerboard inside a Rootenna. Good luck lining that up without the GUI. - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customers and roofers (rant) roofers around here, for whatever reason are masters at blind pointing our gear. I guess its all the corn guns and bibles that bring us the good luck. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: It seems like using Roofing nails for Jlegs and tripods are what's taught at roofing school. From a textbook I'm sure roofers use: Has the antenna fallen off the roof before your truck leaves the property? If not, then it was installed properly. If it falls off after this point, then it is shoddy equipment. The Sky is Big and all antennas get signal from the sky, therefore any antenna can be installed in any orientation, as long as it can mostly see the sky. If it does not work, then it is shoddy equipment On 6/3/2015 4:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Why do customers say things like if your guy is going to mount anything to my roof, then my roofing guy will have to be here to supervise, yet they feel fine having roofers take down our equipment and cables and remount them without telling us? And then act like we're saying stupid stuff when we ask if they called us to come out and re-aim the dish afterward, saying there was no need, my computer worked afterward. You'd think roofers were highly trained in sophisticated technology, while we Internet guys are dolts. Hell, I've seen roofers re-attach a J-pipe to the new roof with roofing nails. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] Square mutli-sector mount
Anyone seen this design in a square or rectangle format? I need a sturdy mount to fit inside this fancy copper roof area that bolts to the floor only. I don't want to touch the railings. http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=1888 http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=1888tab= 3 tab=3 Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Square mutli-sector mount
Isn’t Connect-It just reselling the commscope part? Peter Kranz http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 3:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Square mutli-sector mount If that’s really what you want, I’d call Connect-It and ask for a quote on a custom version of this: http://www.ciwireless.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Product-Specifications-TP3.pdf From: Peter Kranz mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:28 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Square mutli-sector mount Anyone seen this design in a square or rectangle format? I need a sturdy mount to fit inside this fancy copper roof area that bolts to the floor only. I don’t want to touch the railings. http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=1888 http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=1888tab=3 tab=3 Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
I have used them. I believe the theories. But I think you would have to talk to broadcasters to get a good opinion. They don’t seem to be as popular as they once were. From: Edward Brooks Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Thanks Ken, Has anyone had any experience with dissipators? Are they worth the money and labor? -Ed -- Edward Brooks Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation 406-443-3347 X506 On 6/3/2015 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. From: Edward Brooks Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation 406-443-3347 X506 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
Same here. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits That is how I do them. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits *doing it with a bench grinder. I was at a machine shop where they were doing it with a ben You can do it by hand with a bit of practice. � From: Glen Waldrop Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits � My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same. In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one. � It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered again after sharpening. � � - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits � We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits.� When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? � Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO 4226 S. 37th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net � �You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.� � Unknown �
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
I think I have one left you could get pretty cheap. I haven't noticed them preventing anything. On Jun 3, 2015 5:51 PM, Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net wrote: Thanks Ken, Has anyone had any experience with dissipators? Are they worth the money and labor? -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 On 6/3/2015 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. *From:* Edward Brooks broo...@mt.net *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks *Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation* 406-443-3347 X506 -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- [image: Avast logo] https://www.avast.com/antivirus This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you
I asked Forrest about a UGPS-like pipe. If it's going to cost as much as a UGPS because of the power circuit, then forget it, just buy a UGPS. I would much rather have a parasitic sync-over-power pipe right now for those ePMP micro sites and 110PTP backhauls. PoE/ethernet in, PoE/ethernet/sync out to the radio. On-board GPS and GPS pucks suck. On 6/3/2015 5:51 PM, Matt wrote: How about a sync pipe that uses UGPS Power so it only needs to plug into the timing port? Get answers to your questions on Synchronization from expert Forrest Christian. Post your questions and comments now, and Forrest and the Cambium team will answer them, or join us live today between 1 – 3 PM CDT http://bit.ly/1cSs42U Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum
Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
I don't buy the LTE NLOS pitch. It's too goddamn expensive to get good performance (3 or 4 4x4 sectors instead of a dual omni or split 2x2 sectors) to put 30, 40 or even 50 customers on a site which is all we have in rural areas. We'll never make any money buying Telrad. I can put up 4 sectors of 450 for ONE Telrad. I get it though. Standardized stuff is nice. But if you don't have the customers for it to make sense financially, all that goes out the window. We never deployed any 320. And we're ripping out UBNT 3.65 as fast as possible. On 6/3/2015 4:08 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to redeploy. The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 APs to small sites. We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to test the 1x magic out. I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access to the purse strings. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product? Are you expanding with it as far as towers go? Or, are you just adding SMs to what you already have? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
We still use it. Tons of it. However, we are not doing any new builds or installing any new customers. Purely maintenance mode at this point. Hoping something better comes along that we can migrate to. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:08 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to redeploy. The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 APs to small sites. We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to test the 1x magic out. I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access to the purse strings. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product? Are you expanding with it as far as towers go? Or, are you just adding SMs to what you already have? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
But, if you are using 320 for NLOS solutions, the 450 trade up means you’re going to lose customers since the 450 doesn’t do nearly as good a job as the 320 Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using Don’t they have another WiMAX-to-450 tradeup going on? Kind of a 3650 MHz cash-for-clunkers program. From: That One Guy /sarcasmmailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:08 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to redeploy. The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 APs to small sites. We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to test the 1x magic out. I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access to the purse strings. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product? Are you expanding with it as far as towers go? Or, are you just adding SMs to what you already have? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
Both. I do have a drill doctor, and it works pretty well.
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We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits. When they start to get
dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do
you just buy new ones?
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Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
On my first tower we ran a 10ft section of conduit at the top as lightning rod with a number 4 or 6 copper wire from the ground rod all the way to the top. It is the highest point on my tower. The only time lightning has been an issue here it hit a tree nearby and came in through the buried cable. We also have a piece of copper wire run up the side of each omni sticking about 3 inches above the top. - Original Message - From: Edward Brooks To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation 406-443-3347 X506 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you
How about a sync pipe that uses UGPS Power so it only needs to plug into the timing port? Get answers to your questions on Synchronization from expert Forrest Christian. Post your questions and comments now, and Forrest and the Cambium team will answer them, or join us live today between 1 – 3 PM CDT http://bit.ly/1cSs42U Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
I bought a drill doctor and even though the bits looked good, they didn't work as well. We do mostly wood but installers are sometimes too lazy to change the bit when they get to the stucco and that dulls them faster. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 3:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits *doing it with a bench grinder. I was at a machine shop where they were doing it with a ben You can do it by hand with a bit of practice. � From: Glen Waldropmailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits � My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same. In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one. � It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered again after sharpening. � � - Original Message - From: Rory Conawaymailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits � We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits.� When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? � Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO 4226 S. 37th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net � �You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.� � Unknown �
[AFMUG] customers and roofers (rant)
Why do customers say things like if your guy is going to mount anything to my roof, then my roofing guy will have to be here to supervise, yet they feel fine having roofers take down our equipment and cables and remount them without telling us? And then act like we're saying stupid stuff when we ask if they called us to come out and re-aim the dish afterward, saying there was no need, my computer worked afterward. You'd think roofers were highly trained in sophisticated technology, while we Internet guys are dolts. Hell, I've seen roofers re-attach a J-pipe to the new roof with roofing nails.
Re: [AFMUG] Square mutli-sector mount
If that’s really what you want, I’d call Connect-It and ask for a quote on a custom version of this: http://www.ciwireless.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Product-Specifications-TP3.pdf From: Peter Kranz Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Square mutli-sector mount Anyone seen this design in a square or rectangle format? I need a sturdy mount to fit inside this fancy copper roof area that bolts to the floor only. I don’t want to touch the railings. http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=1888tab=3 Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
Not really. We use a smaller gauge copper for the omni. The cheapo ground rod is about a foot away from everything else. It was my first tower. Given what I know now I would do things quite differently, but the copper on the omni and the ground rod seemed to have worked. There were dozens of threads about the diversity chip blowing on various cards. I've only ever lost one. Even when lightning hit it went up the tower, it did not hit the tower itself. - Original Message - From: Lewis Bergman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Do you notice any change in pattern of the antenna? That really should influence the pattern I would think. Maybe Chuck will chime in. On Jun 3, 2015 5:33 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: On my first tower we ran a 10ft section of conduit at the top as lightning rod with a number 4 or 6 copper wire from the ground rod all the way to the top. It is the highest point on my tower. The only time lightning has been an issue here it hit a tree nearby and came in through the buried cable. We also have a piece of copper wire run up the side of each omni sticking about 3 inches above the top. - Original Message - From: Edward Brooks To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation 406-443-3347 X506 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] IS binoculars
These seem to work well, especially for the money. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0049IZMUW?psc=1redirect=trueref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00 Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Has anyone used image stabilization binoculars like the ones from Canon? Are they worth the money? (for WISP use, not birdwatching, stargazing, or snooping on the neighbors)
Re: [AFMUG] IS binoculars
I have used them. Pretty nice. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 11:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] IS binoculars Has anyone used image stabilization binoculars like the ones from Canon? Are they worth the money? (for WISP use, not birdwatching, stargazing, or snooping on the neighbors)
Re: [AFMUG] IS binoculars
Dont knock the birdwatching ones. They have some really good ones and zoom lenses for cameras. I saw them at the Festival of the Cranes last year. Jaime Solorza On Jun 3, 2015 5:50 AM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: These seem to work well, especially for the money. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0049IZMUW?psc=1redirect=trueref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00 Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Has anyone used image stabilization binoculars like the ones from Canon? Are they worth the money? (for WISP use, not birdwatching, stargazing, or snooping on the neighbors)
Re: [AFMUG] IS binoculars
They aren't too bad. I prefer a nice pair or roof prism binoculars though. I've got a pair of Brunton Epoch binoculars that I really like. Swarovski is also another excellent choice. In optics like that, you really get what you pay for. On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Has anyone used image stabilization binoculars like the ones from Canon? Are they worth the money? (for WISP use, not birdwatching, stargazing, or snooping on the neighbors)
[AFMUG] Forrest Christian talks Synchronization with you
Get answers to your questions on Synchronization from expert Forrest Christian. Post your questions and comments now, and Forrest and the Cambium team will answer them, or join us live today between 1 - 3 PM CDT http://bit.ly/1cSs42U Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forumhttp://community.cambiumnetworks.com/
Re: [AFMUG] IS binoculars
My Nikon Monarchs have gone missing. I know the IS on my Lumix camera is awesome. From: Steve Utick Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 8:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IS binoculars They aren't too bad. I prefer a nice pair or roof prism binoculars though. I've got a pair of Brunton Epoch binoculars that I really like. Swarovski is also another excellent choice. In optics like that, you really get what you pay for. On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Has anyone used image stabilization binoculars like the ones from Canon? Are they worth the money? (for WISP use, not birdwatching, stargazing, or snooping on the neighbors)
Re: [AFMUG] OT - Mill machine
Send them on over, we can probably knock them out. -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 9:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT - Mill machine My son has a school project where he needs to get some parts milled out in aluminum. I think it is a total of about 7 small about 1 cubic inch parts. I have the parts files in a solid works format. Any one have access to a milling machine they would be willing to rent some time out on. Hit me off list and I can send you the parts files for review. -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
[AFMUG] OT - Mill machine
My son has a school project where he needs to get some parts milled out in aluminum. I think it is a total of about 7 small about 1 cubic inch parts. I have the parts files in a solid works format. Any one have access to a milling machine they would be willing to rent some time out on. Hit me off list and I can send you the parts files for review. -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP tx power bug continues
In 5.7 maybe, not 5.1 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 3, 2015 4:18 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: We don't have a issue with ours yet we just got our stuff in a few days ago I believe mine is 26dBm On Jun 3, 2015 2:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm tired of repeating myself. Maybe no one else cares, but let me speak here first. I'm putting up a 5 GHz AP. It let's me select 26dBm tx power without warning until I hit save. Then it will give me a red info button at the top saying that's too much power. Well if you knew that value is invalid, why don't you tell me in that box like 27+ will??? I know this existed in 2.3.4 but it continues in 2.4.2. Am I the only one that this bothers? Why not just default it to max power like everyone will for isntallation and let ATPC/me turn down the power? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using
You can still add new 3.65 AP locations from any of the currently available manufacturers, as long as you already have a 3.65 license. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Interesting. I agree with the dream of having someone re-write the firmware to interface 320 stuff with the FCC database. Probably just a dream though. On the 450, you mention being able to sync with customers down the road. The way I understand it, there is no standard being proposed that would make that happen… if you have 5 other people with like or unlike platforms playing in “your” RF space, they can still have the same frequency contention challenges that you have now. Its just that they would be restricted from competing with the known higher priority users in the database. I was curious to see what the consensus is on 320 use moving forward for those that have found it to be the only way to service certain NLOS customers. The considerations seem to be… 1) Replace with 450 series gear at 3.65 and loose some of the customers that were tough NLOS problems that the 320 series solved. (if your were using the 320 only because it was a cleaner freq. band (3.65), then the 450 seems to make sense for that. 2) Replace with Telrad gear at 3.65 (pricey) and sell off their old 320 series for whatever they can get. 3) Deploy MORE 320 gear because it is working well and solves the specific problem. BW limited but works pretty well (*some might debate that) *At this moment, can you add ANY new 3.65 AP locations (from any manufacturer) or forced to wait until the “next” thing comes to play with the FCC rules?* *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 series - still using Im stuck with it. We bought an overstock load of APs and SMs. We have a dream of Telrad working out to save the day with their firmware load. Some creative Telrad AP deployments gradually replacing the 320 APs, utilizing the 320 CPEs until we migrate the site to LTE with telrad CPEs, giving us 320 CPEs to redeploy. The dream is somebody will write some magic code to sit on an intermediary server to communicate with the FCC database thing so we can redeploy the 320 APs to small sites. We had two test sites for the 450. One site landlord hasnt allowed us up there to swap equipment, we have to deal with that on the lease side and our other 450 test site has only 3 users on it with good links so we havent been able to test the 1x magic out. I would have preferred to more aggressively pursue the 450 and be able to sell higher throughput higher dollar connections, to offset the potential nlos customers we would lose. something about being able to sync with competitors down the road seemed like a good idea to me, especially with an AP with 3x the throughput and the whole not using gear thats end of life, but i am but a lowly sysadmin with no access to the purse strings. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: I am just curious how many of you have decided to keep using the 320 series because it goes through trees a lot better than the 450 series 3.65 product? Are you expanding with it as far as towers go? Or, are you just adding SMs to what you already have? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 18 USB drives on 1 computer
+1 But why...? Failing to compute what I just saw. On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote: I was expecting to see 18 USB flash drives but was amazed he actually has 18 USB hard drives instead! On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Most I�ve ever seen and he is adding more. *Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO* *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040* *602-426-0542 tel:602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/* ** *�You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.� � Unknown* -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits
Rotary hammers, fucking beasts. We were talking about our tapered bits. We have tons with one dull ring. 46 bucks for 20 holes adds up. On Jun 3, 2015 10:00 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: I must have never used a rotary hammer then, hammer drills seem to work just fine for stone, masonry, etc. On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Rotary hammer very different beast than hammer drill which is only good for stuff like tapcons. *From:* Jason McKemie *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 8:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits Yeah, never use anything but a hammer drill on stone/concrete/etc. On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: What you want for the concrete is a rotary hammer. A little spendy and the bit cost is astronomical, but they will bite through granite like it's nothing in seconds. We use rotary hammers for rohn wall mount kits going into brick, concrete, and stone. Have only tried the corded hitachi's, although dewalt has a cordless one I've been keeping my eye on. http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-DH40MRY-16-inch-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B000XVINQY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8qid=1433378353sr=8-4keywords=hitachi+rotary+hammer is what we've used. http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCH253M2-Mode-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B00DD1UOTU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8qid=1433378421sr=8-9keywords=dewalt+rotary+hammer is the one I've had my eye on. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2015 02:37 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: We are trying different brands for 3/32 holes we need for door contacts and switches. Metal is tough then we hit concrete on door frame. Slow speeds and oil helps but we eat them up. For concrete and cinder block walls Hilti drill and bits have no problem. Jaime Solorza On Jun 3, 2015 4:26 PM, Chuck McCown javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); wrote: You can do it by hand with a bit of practice. *From:* Glen Waldrop *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 4:24 PM *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits My dad has always sharpened his own, so I tend to do the same. In my experience, if used in wood they can be sharpened with little issue. If you drill through metal, buy a new one. It loses some of the hardness on the edge. It really needs to be tempered again after sharpening. - Original Message - *From:* Rory Conaway *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:18 PM *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sharpening Drill Bits We are paying $15-$25 for longer drill bits. When they start to get dull, just wondering if anyone has had success sharpening them or do you just buy new ones? *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* *602-426-0542 602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net* *“You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown*
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
How does it go on without nicking that thin foil? Is there a tool for the Cat5? I looked at the Commscope installation guide and it said smooth copper coax (Heliax) or braided.-EdSent from my slightly heavy military grade SmartphoneJaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:We use those on super flex but not on heliax...use the other old school version Jaime Solorza So, something like this then? https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote:Simple: buy cat 5 grounding kits forShielded cable. Use them at top, middle and bottom. No more no less. Doesnt involve cutting cable just connect into shield and water proof like hell. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 3, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. From: Edward Brooks Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118 Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10 ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8 ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120 AGL, the height of the tower is 118 AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50 to 75 intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc...Thanks,-Ed-- Edward BrooksOutside Plant ManagerThe Montana Internet Corporation406-443-3347 X506 This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] powering a Mimosa B5 integrated with GigE-APC-POE
I've done it too... works perfectly, I don't remember the pinout off hand, but just follow what's printed on the Mimosa PoE. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:05 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: yep. pinout is on the poe brick On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Has anyone tried to power a Mimosa B5 integrated with GigE-APC-POE? what pins should i put the + and - voltages on? Thanks, sean
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP tx power bug continues
I've seen it happen - it's annoying, but I haven't had it happen in awhile... I may have just gotten used to setting the power to what it allows. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:18 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: We don't have a issue with ours yet we just got our stuff in a few days ago I believe mine is 26dBm On Jun 3, 2015 2:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm tired of repeating myself. Maybe no one else cares, but let me speak here first. I'm putting up a 5 GHz AP. It let's me select 26dBm tx power without warning until I hit save. Then it will give me a red info button at the top saying that's too much power. Well if you knew that value is invalid, why don't you tell me in that box like 27+ will??? I know this existed in 2.3.4 but it continues in 2.4.2. Am I the only one that this bothers? Why not just default it to max power like everyone will for isntallation and let ATPC/me turn down the power? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues
Bingo! That's what you need Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:08 PM, Steve Utick sut...@gmail.com wrote: So, something like this then? https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: Simple: buy cat 5 grounding kits for Shielded cable. Use them at top, middle and bottom. No more no less. Doesn't involve cutting cable just connect into shield and water proof like hell. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I would NOT put Cat5 surge protectors every 50-75 feet, you will likely get Ethernet errors and/or negotiation problems. At most there should be one at each end. You are probably thinking of coax, and even so I suspect those are shield grounds, not actual surge protectors. I do agree with not making your antennas the highest thing on the tower if you can help it. If you must use an omni antenna located at the top, I have had some success with a COAX surge protector between the radio and the antenna. Polyphaser makes some DC blocking types that work OK and aren’t too expensive. If lightning hits, the omni is still probably toast, but it might save the radio. From: Edward Brooks Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Static Nearby Lightning Issues Here goes... We have a new 118' Super Titan Max tower that has been grounded per manufacturers recommendations. Each leg is physically bonded (not exothermically) to a 10' ground rod, all ground rods are then connected to each other in a ring. The equipment cabinet is bonded to an 8' ground rod and tied into the meter base grounding as well. The two ground rings are then bonded to each other in 2 separate places. With that said our issue has not been with the grounding, but with the dissipation of static at the height of the antennas. We currently have had the worst problems with the 3 Cyclone 2.4 antennas which are currently located on masts at the top of the tower. We have also had issues with a couple of the 5.7 Cyclones located below the top of the tower, but not as frequently. The center-line of the 2.4 APs is 120' AGL, the height of the tower is 118' AGL. We currently have WB-GigE-APC surge arrestors located in the cabinet which is located 10 ft from the base of the tower. After doing some research through various Cambium manuals and the Motorola R56 manual, I have some idea what our issue is, but would like to bounce those ideas off the community. My thought is that we neglected to put surge arrestors at 50' to 75' intervals (as recommended by the Motorola R56 manual) and 1 at the top for use in thunderstorm areas. Also we may need to lower the APs to a minimum of 2ft below the top of the tower (per the Cambium manuals for various antenna types). Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. What have you done to mitigate this problem? Etc... Thanks, -Ed -- Edward Brooks Outside Plant Manager The Montana Internet Corporation 406-443-3347 X506 This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] 18 USB drives on 1 computer
I was wondering why the new needs such a large archive facility, now I know, there's a ish drive for each of us. On Jun 3, 2015 9:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: When we did consulting for the ATF, the courts required that the recording devices be single dedicated hard drives. I was shocked to walk into the server room and see 40+ USB drives plugged into a nice Dell Server. The chain of custody had to remain on the single drive for some reason. They laughed when I commented about it, and said something to the effect of that amount we saw was nothing. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: There's a business down the hall that does 100s of gigs a month and he has several terabytes of storage. He's a video guru. A lot of his projects are videos for memorials/funerals. High quality repeating hour long videos take a lot of disk space. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: That's the only think I could think of. On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:08 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: that's a lot of porno On 6/3/2015 9:05 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: +1 But why...? �Failing to compute what I just saw. � On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote: I was expecting to see 18 USB flash drives but was amazed he actually has 18 USB hard drives instead! On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Most I�ve ever seen and he is adding more. � � *Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �** CEO* *4226 S. 37th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040* *602-426-0542 602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/* *�* *�You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.� � Unknown* � -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi�Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Looks like Elon Musk is getting into the game
Looks like it's for their satellite internet service. Personally I think they are just trying to create their own demand for their launch systems (space X) since all the commercial and DOD launches are already spoken for by Lockheed and Boeing. If the Internet thing works then they have another industry, if it fails they still proved to everyone that their launch systems work well and are safe. Win-win for them either way. I think vergin is doing the same thing. 2 cents -Sean On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/442_Print.cfm?mode=currentapplication_seq=66082license_seq=66693 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* *602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net');* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/* *“You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown*
Re: [AFMUG] Looks like Elon Musk is getting into the game
http://www.slashdot.org/story/294967 On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/442_Print.cfm?mode=currentapplication_seq=66082license_seq=66693 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* *602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net');* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/* *“You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown*
Re: [AFMUG] powering a Mimosa B5 integrated with GigE-APC-POE
We start using the netonix miniswitches. We power them with the mimosa brick and power mimosa/epmp/mikrotik with the switch. Working fine so far. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us Datum: 04.06.2015 05:22 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] powering a Mimosa B5 integrated with GigE-APC-POE Thanks for the info. Mimosa also sent me this link. http://help.mimosa.co/backhaul-faq-non-mimosa-poe Basically the things are so damn smart they will accept power from almost any pin combination you can think of. The pic attached is what the Poe brick has printed on it. -Sean On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: yep. pinout is on the poe brick On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Has anyone tried to power a Mimosa B5 integrated with GigE-APC-POE? what pins should i put the + and - voltages on? Thanks, sean
