Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only20thIn The World

[Ken Hohhof]

What, only ONE gigabit?
http://www.xfinity.com/multi-gig-offers.html


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 10:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks 
Only20thIn The World

We have a few 1 Gbps customers.  Most are on 30 or 50 Mbps.  People do upgrade 
so they must believe they need more for some reason.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 8:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 
20thIn The World

EXACTLY.  Everyone freaks out when Google fiber comes to their town... I want 
to know what people are doing with a 1Gbps fiber connection that is going to 
save the world. Or create new jobs. Or make life easier for people.

It's all marketing BS that the general public buys into, every - single - time. 
I would bet that 99% of the population doesn't need more than a 5Mbps or 10Mbps 
connection, at most.

Travis



On 8/7/2016 7:58 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  I think we should compare amperage of average electrical services and 
diameter of municipal water pipes.  Oh yeah, don't forget to compare how many 
cable TV channels are available in each countrywe don't want to fall behind 
on any of these important demographics.

  100 meg cable is available in my town, so people could raise the average 
speed test result by simply buying more speed.  Generally if we offer multiple 
packages, then the overwhelming majority of people buy the cheapest one; so 
maybe the US is really above average at being cheap.  We should focus on what 
we're good at and stop envying our neighbors' phalli mbps.
  

  The social and economic advantages of having internet service are realized 
with 1 or 2 mbps.  After that it's all entertainment, so why do we stress over 
it?
  



  -- Original Message --
  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/7/2016 7:51:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 
20thIn The World


http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/26/which-country-has-the-biggest-dicks-in-the-world/

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 6:18 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 
20thIn The World


http://hothardware.com/news/us-internet-speeds-improve-but-the-country-ranks-only-20th-in-the-world

Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20thIn The World

[Chuck McCown]

We have a few 1 Gbps customers.  Most are on 30 or 50 Mbps.  People do upgrade 
so they must believe they need more for some reason.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 8:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 
20thIn The World

EXACTLY.  Everyone freaks out when Google fiber comes to their town... I want 
to know what people are doing with a 1Gbps fiber connection that is going to 
save the world. Or create new jobs. Or make life easier for people.

It's all marketing BS that the general public buys into, every - single - time. 
I would bet that 99% of the population doesn't need more than a 5Mbps or 10Mbps 
connection, at most.

Travis



On 8/7/2016 7:58 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  I think we should compare amperage of average electrical services and 
diameter of municipal water pipes.  Oh yeah, don't forget to compare how many 
cable TV channels are available in each countrywe don't want to fall behind 
on any of these important demographics.

  100 meg cable is available in my town, so people could raise the average 
speed test result by simply buying more speed.  Generally if we offer multiple 
packages, then the overwhelming majority of people buy the cheapest one; so 
maybe the US is really above average at being cheap.  We should focus on what 
we're good at and stop envying our neighbors' phalli mbps.
  

  The social and economic advantages of having internet service are realized 
with 1 or 2 mbps.  After that it's all entertainment, so why do we stress over 
it?
  



  -- Original Message --
  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/7/2016 7:51:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 
20thIn The World


http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/26/which-country-has-the-biggest-dicks-in-the-world/

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 6:18 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 
20thIn The World


http://hothardware.com/news/us-internet-speeds-improve-but-the-country-ranks-only-20th-in-the-world

Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20thIn The World

[Josh Luthman]

Seriously.  If you haven't seen Idiocracy you're in for a treat (or
disappointing outlook of society).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 7, 2016 10:35 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

> EXACTLY.  Everyone freaks out when Google fiber comes to their town... I
> want to know what people are doing with a 1Gbps fiber connection that is
> going to save the world. Or create new jobs. Or make life easier for people.
>
> It's all marketing BS that the general public buys into, every - single -
> time. I would bet that 99% of the population doesn't need more than a 5Mbps
> or 10Mbps connection, at most.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 8/7/2016 7:58 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I think we should compare amperage of average electrical services and
> diameter of municipal water pipes.  Oh yeah, don't forget to compare how
> many cable TV channels are available in each countrywe don't want to
> fall behind on any of these important demographics.
>
> 100 meg cable is available in my town, so people could raise the average
> speed test result by simply buying more speed.  Generally if we offer
> multiple packages, then the overwhelming majority of people buy the
> cheapest one; so maybe the US is really above average at being cheap.  We
> should focus on what we're good at and stop envying our neighbors' phalli
> mbps.
> 
>
> The social and economic advantages of having internet service are realized
> with 1 or 2 mbps.  After that it's all entertainment, so why do we stress
> over it?
> 
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/7/2016 7:51:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only
> 20thIn The World
>
>
> http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/26/which-country-has-the-
> biggest-dicks-in-the-world/
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 07, 2016 6:18 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only
> 20thIn The World
>
>
> http://hothardware.com/news/us-internet-speeds-improve-
> but-the-country-ranks-only-20th-in-the-world
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20thIn The World

[Travis Johnson]

EXACTLY.  Everyone freaks out when Google fiber comes to their town... I 
want to know what people are doing with a 1Gbps fiber connection that is 
going to save the world. Or create new jobs. Or make life easier for people.


It's all marketing BS that the general public buys into, every - single 
- time. I would bet that 99% of the population doesn't need more than a 
5Mbps or 10Mbps connection, at most.


Travis


On 8/7/2016 7:58 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I think we should compare amperage of average electrical services and 
diameter of municipal water pipes.  Oh yeah, don't forget to compare 
how many cable TV channels are available in each countrywe don't 
want to fall behind on any of these important demographics.
100 meg cable is available in my town, so people could raise the 
average speed test result by simply buying more speed. Generally if we 
offer multiple packages, then the overwhelming majority of people buy 
the cheapest one; so maybe the US is really above average at being 
cheap.  We should focus on what we're good at and stop envying our 
neighbors' phalli mbps.


The social and economic advantages of having internet service are 
realized with 1 or 2 mbps.  After that it's all entertainment, so why 
do we stress over it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/7/2016 7:51:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks 
Only 20thIn The World

http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/26/which-country-has-the-biggest-dicks-in-the-world/
*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Sunday, August 07, 2016 6:18 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks 
Only 20thIn The World


http://hothardware.com/news/us-internet-speeds-improve-but-the-country-ranks-only-20th-in-the-world

Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20thIn The World

[Adam Moffett]

I think we should compare amperage of average electrical services and 
diameter of municipal water pipes.  Oh yeah, don't forget to compare how 
many cable TV channels are available in each countrywe don't want to 
fall behind on any of these important demographics.


100 meg cable is available in my town, so people could raise the average 
speed test result by simply buying more speed.  Generally if we offer 
multiple packages, then the overwhelming majority of people buy the 
cheapest one; so maybe the US is really above average at being cheap.  
We should focus on what we're good at and stop envying our neighbors' 
phalli mbps.



The social and economic advantages of having internet service are 
realized with 1 or 2 mbps.  After that it's all entertainment, so why do 
we stress over it?





-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/7/2016 7:51:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks 
Only 20thIn The World



http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/26/which-country-has-the-biggest-dicks-in-the-world/

From:Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 6:18 PM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 
20thIn The World


http://hothardware.com/news/us-internet-speeds-improve-but-the-country-ranks-only-20th-in-the-world

Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20thIn The World

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, one of his heroes is Nixon, who claimed he was not a crook, but 
undeniably was a Dick.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 8:04 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 
20thIn The World

We do. TRUMP is the biggest dick. Zaz


On Aug 7, 2016 5:51 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  
http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/26/which-country-has-the-biggest-dicks-in-the-world/

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 6:18 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20thIn 
The World

  
http://hothardware.com/news/us-internet-speeds-improve-but-the-country-ranks-only-20th-in-the-world

Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20thIn The World

[Jaime Solorza]

We do. TRUMP is the biggest dick. Zaz

On Aug 7, 2016 5:51 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/26/which-country-has-the-
> biggest-dicks-in-the-world/
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 07, 2016 6:18 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only
> 20thIn The World
>
>
> http://hothardware.com/news/us-internet-speeds-improve-
> but-the-country-ranks-only-20th-in-the-world
>

Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20thIn The World

[Ken Hohhof]

http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/26/which-country-has-the-biggest-dicks-in-the-world/

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 6:18 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20thIn 
The World

http://hothardware.com/news/us-internet-speeds-improve-but-the-country-ranks-only-20th-in-the-world

[AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20th In The World

[Jaime Solorza]

http://hothardware.com/news/us-internet-speeds-improve-but-the-country-ranks-only-20th-in-the-world

Re: [AFMUG] MTC PRM4

[George Skorup]

I always use the ground wire.

On 8/7/2016 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
We used to paint them, but not any more.  If you got painted ones that 
is pretty old stock.

That part looks  like it is plastic.
I hope everyone runs a ground wire but if not, the DIN clip is the 
only point of grounding.


-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 2:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MTC PRM4

Hey Chuck, I've got a question and a suggestion for your modified APC 
PRM4.


After you put the DIN rail clip on, do you paint them? Just FYI, I have
to scrape the paint off to get them to fit on aluminum or steel 35mm
rail. So if you're painting them, I'd say don't.

And Ken turned me on to these: 
https://www.winford.com/products/dinm15.php

The DINM13 clip would probably be the best fit. These are really nice
because there's no release. Just push the device up, tilt a bit and you
can pull it off of the rail. Most of the places I'm putting these are in
outdoor enclosures. You know how we cram 20 lbs of shit in a 10 lb box.
I forgot to get pics of the last one I did. Turned out really nice, but
it's a PITA to get a screwdriver in there to pull the release tab. Not
that they really need to ever come out, but I ran into a location
problem and had to slide them on the rail. That's impossible without
releasing them from the rail. The plastic clips would allow that without
issue. That's one of the reasons I went to aluminum rail, things slide
much easier.

I could buy some PRM4's and these clips and put them together myself.
But that's time and patience that I don't really have. So I'd gladly
keep paying a bit more for yours if it saves me that time.

Just wanted to throw this out there as constructive criticism.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Josh Reynolds]

YEP! There is a rumor that Kevin Smith may be doing a Goonies remake. That
would be interesting, as I love both, and if there's anybody that could
pull him off it would be him or JJ Abrams. Still, I don't know if they
could capture the nostalgia of the time.

Anywho, ST is like Goonies + Sixteen Candles + Stephen King's IT

Love it.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Harold Bledsoe  wrote:

> Ditto and I liked the Goonies growing up too...
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016, 12:47 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> I'm watching it right now with my wife. It's fantastic so far. As a kid
>> from 81, it seems very homey to me :) Oh, and the soundtrack is amazing!
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> We binge watched Stranger Things... Very rare thing for me... I like the
>>> Tunnel on PBS Sunday Nights...
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2016 7:48 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
 And a prehensile tail.

 [image: spider_monkey]

 *From:* Mathew Howard 
 *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:34 PM
 *To:* af 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

 I wish I had four thumbs... I think.

 On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Hunt for the Wilderepeople.
>
> 4 thumbs up!
>


>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Harold Bledsoe]

Ditto and I liked the Goonies growing up too...

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016, 12:47 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I'm watching it right now with my wife. It's fantastic so far. As a kid
> from 81, it seems very homey to me :) Oh, and the soundtrack is amazing!
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We binge watched Stranger Things... Very rare thing for me... I like the
>> Tunnel on PBS Sunday Nights...
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2016 7:48 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> And a prehensile tail.
>>>
>>> [image: spider_monkey]
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:34 PM
>>> *To:* af 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>>
>>> I wish I had four thumbs... I think.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Hunt for the Wilderepeople.

 4 thumbs up!

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] is....the price right?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

A good idea - we'll just have to see what happens...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 12:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] isthe price right?


  You might want to consider something like Procera to limit the bandwidth when 
a whole building full of iPhones tries to download the latest iOS update.  
People bring their personal devices to the workplace, and they use the company 
WiFi.


  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 12:28 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] isthe price right?


  ThanksI do expect them to get those speeds (airfiber + rocket ac prism), 
but I don't expect them to do much more than speedtests with those speeds.I 
expect the usage to be signifigantly less than my residential customers as has 
been stated later in this thread

  Thank you for the response!

- Original Message - 
From: Adam Moffett 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] isthe price right?

Jay,

Depends if I expect them to actually get those speeds.  If I do, then quite 
a bit.
Maybe something like $99/month for 30x15.  $199/month for 100x50.   Even at 
that price, there's an assumption that they're not actually using it all.

If it's "up to" and we don't care whether it happens, then maybe somewhat 
less than a lot.

NY State by the way.

Thanks,
Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/5/2016 2:35:19 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] isthe price right?


  We're starting to deploy much higher speeds in areas with line of sight 
(business areas) than we ever have before in our residential areas.  I am 
thinking the pricing we are thinking of is way too low.  I'm interested in what 
you'd charge for these plans and what part of the country you are in.   Thanks!

  30 down / 15 up
  60 down / 30 up
  100 down / 50 up

  What do you charge per phone line?


  If you didn't do say 100/50, what do you do?

  Thanks everyone!

  IN YOUR RESPONSE - PLEASE INCLUDE WHAT STATE YOU'RE IN 

Re: [AFMUG] network devicemap/wiki/management/database/documentation system

[Chuck McCown]

Every time I attempt to select a wiki I get overwhelmed by the number of 
different wikis there out there.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] network devicemap/wiki/management/database/documentation 
system

I used Mindtouch Deki-Wiki and liked it.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

  doing a free form media wiki sounds good in theory... and one only starts to 
comprehend how much info one is missing when one starts to work with a more 
regimented system... i.e. lots of boxes and related information to fill out... 

  we all do a good job of figuring things out...if you want a real test of the 
quality of one's system documentation, take a green junior tech, put them in 
front of the documentation and observe if they can figure it the required 
information. 



  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 7:44:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] network device
map/wiki/management/database/documentation system

yeah, for that you really want an internal https/web interface mediawiki, 
confluence or similar server. Create a page for every POP and have a thorough 
section describing how it's organized physically, and at OSI layers 2 and 3.




On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Those features are valuable but I kind of want this the be a "user 
manual" type system only for our entire wisp.  I want our techs to have access 
to everything that is currently rattling around in my brain.  So basically a 
brain dump of all things wisp from me to the rest of the staff.

  -Sean 


  On Friday, August 5, 2016, Jesse Dupont  
wrote:

NIPAP is great because it keeps track of the hierarchy in tree form, 
which is invaluable for v6 (which it supports fully).

On Aug 5, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:


  NIPAP might be way more than you need for IP address tracking. It's 
meant for big ISPs that have multiple people doing stuff simultaneously with 
their 10.0.0.0/8 and 172.16.0.0/12 space, and handles multiple VRFs. 

  Also stuff like creating "pools" for new assignments that can be run 
through an automation system, eg: "We need a /25 sized pool for the dhcpd 
serving this segment of GPON customers".



  On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

Thanks Faisal!

so far i-doit is the closest to the type of documentation system 
i'm looking for.  it's still very data center oriented but it looks like it can 
be made to accomplish what i need.

NIPAP is a confusing set of acronyms that i have no i idea where to 
begin with even understanding what it does.  it seems like something that would 
replace IPPLAN.  their entire web page is all acronyms :-/ 

confluence seems more like a group project/task management that 
also does some documentation.


-sean



On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
 wrote:

  I share your sentiment and painand there is a lot you are 
leaving out ...related to keeping track of other bits of related information, 
keeping it updated on a regular basis

  after trying lots of things... we are getting ready to pull the 
trigger on this...

  https://www.i-doit.com/en/

  It's a German Company... but the product is very interesting, 
very flexible, and may get you thinking on a few other section of the business, 
how you keep info, organize info etc.

  Do keep us posted on what you end up with.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Sean Heskett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:20:09 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] network device 
map/wiki/management/database/documentationsystem

Hey guys and gals,

I don't know if something like this already exists so i thought 
i'd ask y'all before i went and created it. I basically need a complete 
documentation system for our network infrastructure.

-we have our network mapped in visio
-we have our network monitored in intermapper
   

Re: [AFMUG] network device map/wiki/management/database/documentation system

[Jeremy]

I used Mindtouch Deki-Wiki and liked it.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> doing a free form media wiki sounds good in theory... and one only starts
> to comprehend how much info one is missing when one starts to work with a
> more regimented system... i.e. lots of boxes and related information to
> fill out...
>
> we all do a good job of figuring things out...if you want a real test of
> the quality of one's system documentation, take a green junior tech, put
> them in front of the documentation and observe if they can figure it the
> required information.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, August 5, 2016 7:44:24 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] network device
> map/wiki/management/database/documentation
> system
>
> yeah, for that you really want an internal https/web interface mediawiki,
> confluence or similar server. Create a page for every POP and have a
> thorough section describing how it's organized physically, and at OSI
> layers 2 and 3.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Those features are valuable but I kind of want this the be a "user
>> manual" type system only for our entire wisp.  I want our techs to have
>> access to everything that is currently rattling around in my brain.  So
>> basically a brain dump of all things wisp from me to the rest of the staff.
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 5, 2016, Jesse Dupont 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> NIPAP is great because it keeps track of the hierarchy in tree form,
>>> which is invaluable for v6 (which it supports fully).
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>>
>>> NIPAP might be way more than you need for IP address tracking. It's
>>> meant for big ISPs that have multiple people doing stuff simultaneously
>>> with their 10.0.0.0/8 and 172.16.0.0/12 space, and handles multiple
>>> VRFs.
>>>
>>> Also stuff like creating "pools" for new assignments that can be run
>>> through an automation system, eg: "We need a /25 sized pool for the dhcpd
>>> serving this segment of GPON customers".
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Faisal!
 so far i-doit is the closest to the type of documentation system i'm
 looking for.  it's still very data center oriented but it looks like it can
 be made to accomplish what i need.

 NIPAP is a confusing set of acronyms that i have no i idea where to
 begin with even understanding what it does.  it seems like something that
 would replace IPPLAN.  their entire web page is all acronyms :-/

 confluence seems more like a group project/task management that also
 does some documentation.

 -sean


 On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> I share your sentiment and painand there is a lot you are leaving
> out ...related to keeping track of other bits of related information,
> keeping it updated on a regular basis
>
> after trying lots of things... we are getting ready to pull the
> trigger on this...
>
> https://www.i-doit.com/en/
>
> It's a German Company... but the product is very interesting, very
> flexible, and may get you thinking on a few other section of the business,
> how you keep info, organize info etc.
>
> Do keep us posted on what you end up with.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:20:09 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] network device map/wiki/management/database/
> documentationsystem
>
> Hey guys and gals,
> I don't know if something like this already exists so i thought i'd
> ask y'all before i went and created it. I basically need a complete
> documentation system for our network infrastructure.
>
> -we have our network mapped in visio
> -we have our network monitored in intermapper
> -we have our network graphed in cacti
> -i'm working on creating a wiki type page for all devices that has
> some static info (like date put in service, a link to it's manual) and 
> some
> dynamic info (like Tx frequency)
> -the devices all typically have a web config page
>
> I want to turn our visio maps into HTML so that you can click on the
> 

Re: [AFMUG] is....the price right?

[Ken Hohhof]

You might want to consider something like Procera to limit the bandwidth when a 
whole building full of iPhones tries to download the latest iOS update.  People 
bring their personal devices to the workplace, and they use the company WiFi.


From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] isthe price right?


ThanksI do expect them to get those speeds (airfiber + rocket ac prism), 
but I don't expect them to do much more than speedtests with those speeds.I 
expect the usage to be signifigantly less than my residential customers as has 
been stated later in this thread

Thank you for the response!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Adam Moffett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 9:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] isthe price right?

  Jay,

  Depends if I expect them to actually get those speeds.  If I do, then quite a 
bit.
  Maybe something like $99/month for 30x15.  $199/month for 100x50.   Even at 
that price, there's an assumption that they're not actually using it all.

  If it's "up to" and we don't care whether it happens, then maybe somewhat 
less than a lot.

  NY State by the way.

  Thanks,
  Adam


  -- Original Message --
  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/5/2016 2:35:19 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] isthe price right?


We're starting to deploy much higher speeds in areas with line of sight 
(business areas) than we ever have before in our residential areas.  I am 
thinking the pricing we are thinking of is way too low.  I'm interested in what 
you'd charge for these plans and what part of the country you are in.   Thanks!

30 down / 15 up
60 down / 30 up
100 down / 50 up

What do you charge per phone line?


If you didn't do say 100/50, what do you do?

Thanks everyone!

IN YOUR RESPONSE - PLEASE INCLUDE WHAT STATE YOU'RE IN 

Re: [AFMUG] is....the price right?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

The area targeted, in fact, is a downtown business district.  Nearly every 
customer/subscriber there has 60/4 from the cable co (charter) and they hate 
it.  in fact, in the last month, it has been riddled with problems - but now 
they seem to have the bugs worked out as i'm not hearing the complaints as much 
anymore.

aside from being local, our next major benefit is we can offer faster upload 
than they can.  our customers 15-20 miles outside of town are surrounded by 
trees and are in a whole different world than the downtown area is.

we're thinking a plan that cost less than the lowest entry plan for the 
competition (and is still more than enough for the customer) that would also 
offer higher upload as well as plans that are similar but also offer higher 
upload.

our customer service guys biggest fear now is someone from our existing network 
will call wanting these speeds.
these speeds are only available in the downtown area where there are no 
trees



  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 2:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] isthe price right?


  100/50 is really limiting the oversub option, unless youre strictly enforcing 
the business (actual business, as in letterhead or tax id, something 
identifiable as a business)


  in illinois, if we go above 25mb right now we move to symmetric DIA for 
businesses that are rural. If youre competing in town with cable or fios, then 
thats what youd probably be best served to pricepoint near without any other 
value adds, just my two cents as the guy who doesnt own a company.


  We went slick, every plan we sell is 3/1, we have three speed tiers based on 
your performance that open you up to the next potential speed, same price. but 
we only guarantee(ish) the 3/1. this keeps customers limited by powercode to 
the best case their installation will support, that way the radios arent doing 
the work of trying to deliver more than the link will support. We want as many 
customers on the 3rd tier as possible. once per year an account can go through 
an audit to see if they can tier up. 


  we also dont sell speed at all anymore, strictly consumption. 


  On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 1:35 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


We're starting to deploy much higher speeds in areas with line of sight 
(business areas) than we ever have before in our residential areas.  I am 
thinking the pricing we are thinking of is way too low.  I'm interested in what 
you'd charge for these plans and what part of the country you are in.   Thanks!

30 down / 15 up
60 down / 30 up
100 down / 50 up

What do you charge per phone line?


If you didn't do say 100/50, what do you do?

Thanks everyone!

IN YOUR RESPONSE - PLEASE INCLUDE WHAT STATE YOU'RE IN 








  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] is....the price right?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

ThanksI do expect them to get those speeds (airfiber + rocket ac prism), 
but I don't expect them to do much more than speedtests with those speeds.I 
expect the usage to be signifigantly less than my residential customers as has 
been stated later in this thread

Thank you for the response!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Adam Moffett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 9:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] isthe price right?


  Jay,

  Depends if I expect them to actually get those speeds.  If I do, then quite a 
bit.
  Maybe something like $99/month for 30x15.  $199/month for 100x50.   Even at 
that price, there's an assumption that they're not actually using it all.

  If it's "up to" and we don't care whether it happens, then maybe somewhat 
less than a lot.

  NY State by the way.

  Thanks,
  Adam


  -- Original Message --
  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/5/2016 2:35:19 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] isthe price right?


We're starting to deploy much higher speeds in areas with line of sight 
(business areas) than we ever have before in our residential areas.  I am 
thinking the pricing we are thinking of is way too low.  I'm interested in what 
you'd charge for these plans and what part of the country you are in.   Thanks!

30 down / 15 up
60 down / 30 up
100 down / 50 up

What do you charge per phone line?


If you didn't do say 100/50, what do you do?

Thanks everyone!

IN YOUR RESPONSE - PLEASE INCLUDE WHAT STATE YOU'RE IN 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Josh Reynolds]

I'm watching it right now with my wife. It's fantastic so far. As a kid
from 81, it seems very homey to me :) Oh, and the soundtrack is amazing!

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We binge watched Stranger Things... Very rare thing for me... I like the
> Tunnel on PBS Sunday Nights...
>
> On Aug 7, 2016 7:48 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> And a prehensile tail.
>>
>> [image: spider_monkey]
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:34 PM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>
>> I wish I had four thumbs... I think.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Hunt for the Wilderepeople.
>>>
>>> 4 thumbs up!
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Chuck McCown]

Make that “scene”...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 9:25 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

Yep It was good.. 


On Aug 7, 2016 9:08 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Just finished Stranger Things.  It was OK.  Wynonna Rider had to act every 
seen with a crazy freaked out look on her face.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 9:02 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

  We binge watched Stranger Things... Very rare thing for me... I like the 
Tunnel on PBS Sunday Nights... 


  On Aug 7, 2016 7:48 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

And a prehensile tail.



From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:34 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

I wish I had four thumbs... I think.


On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Hunt for the Wilderepeople.

  4 thumbs up!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep It was good..

On Aug 7, 2016 9:08 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Just finished Stranger Things.  It was OK.  Wynonna Rider had to act every
> seen with a crazy freaked out look on her face.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 07, 2016 9:02 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>
> We binge watched Stranger Things... Very rare thing for me... I like the
> Tunnel on PBS Sunday Nights...
>
> On Aug 7, 2016 7:48 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> And a prehensile tail.
>>
>> [image: spider_monkey]
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:34 PM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>
>> I wish I had four thumbs... I think.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Hunt for the Wilderepeople.
>>>
>>> 4 thumbs up!
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Chuck McCown]

Just finished Stranger Things.  It was OK.  Wynonna Rider had to act every seen 
with a crazy freaked out look on her face.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 9:02 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

We binge watched Stranger Things... Very rare thing for me... I like the Tunnel 
on PBS Sunday Nights... 


On Aug 7, 2016 7:48 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  And a prehensile tail.



  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:34 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

  I wish I had four thumbs... I think.


  On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Hunt for the Wilderepeople.

4 thumbs up!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Chuck McCown]

Not sure I have what it takes to watch shameless with my kids, even though they 
have their own kids now, there are certain prudish reservations that are deeply 
embedded.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 1:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

i havent seen it, but im on like episode 8 of shameless on netflix with my 
kids, I assume im awful, but the show is amazing

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

  I wish I had four thumbs... I think.


  On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Hunt for the Wilderepeople.

4 thumbs up!





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] MTC PRM4

[Chuck McCown]

We used to paint them, but not any more.  If you got painted ones that is 
pretty old stock.

That part looks  like it is plastic.
I hope everyone runs a ground wire but if not, the DIN clip is the only 
point of grounding.


-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup

Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 2:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MTC PRM4

Hey Chuck, I've got a question and a suggestion for your modified APC PRM4.

After you put the DIN rail clip on, do you paint them? Just FYI, I have
to scrape the paint off to get them to fit on aluminum or steel 35mm
rail. So if you're painting them, I'd say don't.

And Ken turned me on to these: https://www.winford.com/products/dinm15.php
The DINM13 clip would probably be the best fit. These are really nice
because there's no release. Just push the device up, tilt a bit and you
can pull it off of the rail. Most of the places I'm putting these are in
outdoor enclosures. You know how we cram 20 lbs of shit in a 10 lb box.
I forgot to get pics of the last one I did. Turned out really nice, but
it's a PITA to get a screwdriver in there to pull the release tab. Not
that they really need to ever come out, but I ran into a location
problem and had to slide them on the rail. That's impossible without
releasing them from the rail. The plastic clips would allow that without
issue. That's one of the reasons I went to aluminum rail, things slide
much easier.

I could buy some PRM4's and these clips and put them together myself.
But that's time and patience that I don't really have. So I'd gladly
keep paying a bit more for yours if it saves me that time.

Just wanted to throw this out there as constructive criticism. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Jaime Solorza]

We binge watched Stranger Things... Very rare thing for me... I like the
Tunnel on PBS Sunday Nights...

On Aug 7, 2016 7:48 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> And a prehensile tail.
>
> [image: spider_monkey]
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:34 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
> I wish I had four thumbs... I think.
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Hunt for the Wilderepeople.
>>
>> 4 thumbs up!
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Ken Hohhof]

And a prehensile tail.



From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:34 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

I wish I had four thumbs... I think.


On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Hunt for the Wilderepeople.

  4 thumbs up!

Re: [AFMUG] MTC PRM4

[Josh Baird]

I have been buying the PRM4's and attaching the DINN13 clips.  This works
well.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 4:09 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Hey Chuck, I've got a question and a suggestion for your modified APC PRM4.
>
> After you put the DIN rail clip on, do you paint them? Just FYI, I have to
> scrape the paint off to get them to fit on aluminum or steel 35mm rail. So
> if you're painting them, I'd say don't.
>
> And Ken turned me on to these: https://www.winford.com/products/dinm15.php
> The DINM13 clip would probably be the best fit. These are really nice
> because there's no release. Just push the device up, tilt a bit and you can
> pull it off of the rail. Most of the places I'm putting these are in
> outdoor enclosures. You know how we cram 20 lbs of shit in a 10 lb box. I
> forgot to get pics of the last one I did. Turned out really nice, but it's
> a PITA to get a screwdriver in there to pull the release tab. Not that they
> really need to ever come out, but I ran into a location problem and had to
> slide them on the rail. That's impossible without releasing them from the
> rail. The plastic clips would allow that without issue. That's one of the
> reasons I went to aluminum rail, things slide much easier.
>
> I could buy some PRM4's and these clips and put them together myself. But
> that's time and patience that I don't really have. So I'd gladly keep
> paying a bit more for yours if it saves me that time.
>
> Just wanted to throw this out there as constructive criticism.
>

[AFMUG] MTC PRM4

[George Skorup]

Hey Chuck, I've got a question and a suggestion for your modified APC PRM4.

After you put the DIN rail clip on, do you paint them? Just FYI, I have 
to scrape the paint off to get them to fit on aluminum or steel 35mm 
rail. So if you're painting them, I'd say don't.


And Ken turned me on to these: https://www.winford.com/products/dinm15.php
The DINM13 clip would probably be the best fit. These are really nice 
because there's no release. Just push the device up, tilt a bit and you 
can pull it off of the rail. Most of the places I'm putting these are in 
outdoor enclosures. You know how we cram 20 lbs of shit in a 10 lb box. 
I forgot to get pics of the last one I did. Turned out really nice, but 
it's a PITA to get a screwdriver in there to pull the release tab. Not 
that they really need to ever come out, but I ran into a location 
problem and had to slide them on the rail. That's impossible without 
releasing them from the rail. The plastic clips would allow that without 
issue. That's one of the reasons I went to aluminum rail, things slide 
much easier.


I could buy some PRM4's and these clips and put them together myself. 
But that's time and patience that I don't really have. So I'd gladly 
keep paying a bit more for yours if it saves me that time.


Just wanted to throw this out there as constructive criticism.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

ive found the british variants of netflix shows are better, even with OITNB

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 2:22 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Shameless is good, I actually think I like the British version better
> though. Currently I'm on a bloodline kick.
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2016, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i havent seen it, but im on like episode 8 of shameless on netflix with
>> my kids, I assume im awful, but the show is amazing
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wish I had four thumbs... I think.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Hunt for the Wilderepeople.

 4 thumbs up!

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Jason McKemie]

Shameless is good, I actually think I like the British version better
though. Currently I'm on a bloodline kick.

On Sunday, August 7, 2016, That One Guy /sarcasm 
wrote:

> i havent seen it, but im on like episode 8 of shameless on netflix with my
> kids, I assume im awful, but the show is amazing
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Mathew Howard  > wrote:
>
>> I wish I had four thumbs... I think.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hunt for the Wilderepeople.
>>>
>>> 4 thumbs up!
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i havent seen it, but im on like episode 8 of shameless on netflix with my
kids, I assume im awful, but the show is amazing

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I wish I had four thumbs... I think.
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Hunt for the Wilderepeople.
>>
>> 4 thumbs up!
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.