Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Chris Fabien]

Millennium

On Jul 8, 2017 10:02 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> What supplier?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
> You can get purpose designed trace wire that is copper clad high tensile
> strength steel wire with a heavy polyethylene jacket. For 14ga we pay about
> 6 cents a foot on 2500ft spools.
>
> On Jul 8, 2017 4:25 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I didn't purchase it directly, got it through a contractor.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017,  wrote:
>>
>>> I have never used it.  I’ll bet it is spendy.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:03 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.
>>>
>>> It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make
>>> conduit with integrated trace wire.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>>
 Newbie questions…



 We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR
 tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an
 afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the
 pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make
 I easier for future people to locate my stuff.



 Did I mention it was a newbie question right?



 What do I put in?



 Paul McCall, President

 PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>

 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');

 www.pdmnet.com

 www.floridabroadband.com





>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Jon Langeler]

What supplier?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jul 8, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
> 
> You can get purpose designed trace wire that is copper clad high tensile 
> strength steel wire with a heavy polyethylene jacket. For 14ga we pay about 6 
> cents a foot on 2500ft spools. 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2017 4:25 PM, "Jason McKemie"  
>> wrote:
>> Yeah, I didn't purchase it directly, got it through a contractor.
>> 
>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017,  wrote:
>>> I have never used it.  I’ll bet it is spendy. 
>>>  
>>> From: Jason McKemie
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:03 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.
>>>  
>>> It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit 
>>> with integrated trace wire.
>>> 
 On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall  wrote:
 Newbie questions…
 
  
 
 We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR 
 tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an 
 afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the 
 pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make 
 I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
 
  
 
 Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
 
  
 
 What do I put in?
 
  
 
 Paul McCall, President
 
 PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
 
 658 Old Dixie Highway
 
 Vero Beach, FL 32962
 
 772-564-6800 
 
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');
 
 www.pdmnet.com
 
 www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Chris Fabien]

You can get purpose designed trace wire that is copper clad high tensile
strength steel wire with a heavy polyethylene jacket. For 14ga we pay about
6 cents a foot on 2500ft spools.

On Jul 8, 2017 4:25 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Yeah, I didn't purchase it directly, got it through a contractor.
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2017,  wrote:
>
>> I have never used it.  I’ll bet it is spendy.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:03 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.
>>
>> It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit
>> with integrated trace wire.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>>> Newbie questions…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR
>>> tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an
>>> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the
>>> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make
>>> I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do I put in?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>
>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>
>>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>>
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');
>>>
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>
>>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Adam Moffett]

I think it just has to be conductive and jacketed.  Jacketed because the 
locator transmitter will want to have only one ground connection, and if 
you're accidentally grounded on water in the pipe I'm not sure what will 
happen.but I'm guessing you wouldn't be able to trace past that 
spot.


A 14ga THHN would do the job.  Some cables have a tracer wire built in.

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 7/8/2017 11:59:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.


Newbie questions…



We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR 
tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an 
afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the 
pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and 
make I easier for future people to locate my stuff.




Did I mention it was a newbie question right?



What do I put in?



Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, I didn't purchase it directly, got it through a contractor.

On Saturday, July 8, 2017,  wrote:

> I have never used it.  I’ll bet it is spendy.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.
>
> It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit
> with integrated trace wire.
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Newbie questions…
>>
>>
>>
>> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR
>> tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an
>> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the
>> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make
>> I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
>>
>>
>>
>> What do I put in?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[chuck]

I have never used it.  I’ll bet it is spendy.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit with 
integrated trace wire.

On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall  wrote:

  Newbie questions…



  We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR tracks 
for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an afterthought I was 
thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the pipe, so we can “register 
it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make I easier for future people to 
locate my stuff.



  Did I mention it was a newbie question right?



  What do I put in?



  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Jason McKemie]

It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit
with integrated trace wire.

On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Newbie questions…
>
>
>
> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR
> tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an
> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the
> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make
> I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
>
>
>
> Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
>
>
>
> What do I put in?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Chapter 62 - Tales from the Towers posted

[Rory Conaway]

Not just for breakfast anymore.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Chapter 62 - Tales from the Towers posted

Brought to you by Mimosa, our favority fruit drink!

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Chapter 62 - Tales from the Towers posted

http://muniwireless.com/2017/07/08/ubiquiti-mimosa-networks-ptp-battle-royale/

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get there as 
fast.” — Eddie Bane

Re: [AFMUG] Chapter 62 - Tales from the Towers posted

[chuck]

Brought to you by Mimosa, our favority fruit drink!

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Chapter 62 - Tales from the Towers posted

http://muniwireless.com/2017/07/08/ubiquiti-mimosa-networks-ptp-battle-royale/

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

 

“I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get there as 
fast.” — Eddie Bane

 

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Colin Stanners]

Install the trace wire next to / outside the conduit so that it doesn't get
tangled up with the lines inside. If ever it fails you can install a new
one inside the conduit.

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Newbie questions…
>
>
>
> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR
> tracks for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an
> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the
> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make
> I easier for future people to locate my stuff.
>
>
>
> Did I mention it was a newbie question right?
>
>
>
> What do I put in?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Chapter 62 - Tales from the Towers posted

[Rory Conaway]

http://muniwireless.com/2017/07/08/ubiquiti-mimosa-networks-ptp-battle-royale/

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get there as 
fast." - Eddie Bane

Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game

[chuck]

I always avoid covfefe during lent.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game

How about if you stay away from covfefe?

On 07/08/2017 07:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Isn’t that cool!  Just stay away from the coffee and you go to heaven!
Who would reject a sure thing like that?

*From:* Jeremy
*Sent:* Friday, July 07, 2017 7:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game

Utahns are not allowed to drink Lattes.  They can drink cold caffeine
(Mtn. Dew), but heated caffeine is from the devil.
Inline image 1

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Now that's funny..somehow I feel that you must wear Birkenstocks
sandals and drink some delicate flavor latte...nope not for me...

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 7, 2017 5:59 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Utah sold it's soul to the devil?

Oh the irony :)

- Josh

On Jul 7, 2017 6:45 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I really want to test drive the Tesla 3.  Utah is one of
those Fu*ked up states that will not allow them to sell
direct or be a dealer unless the other dealers allow it

*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, July 07, 2017 4:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the
game

$120k costs more to run than a $20k car?  Gasp.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Rory Conaway
 wrote:

It’s in the scheduled maintenance.  Kind of B.S. in
trying to find reasons for making more money for the
dealers since there is nothing to really fix other than
tire rotation.  There are going to be a lot of mechanics
losing jobs as more electric cars hit the road.

Tesla however, is way more expensive than that on their
maintenance charges.  In fact, they are so expensive,
that their overall cost per mile is no better than a
38mpg gas car according to one of the car magazines.



Rory



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Friday, July 7, 2017 2:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into
the game



I  have never had a brake fluid change.



*From:*Rory Conaway 

*Sent:*Friday, July 07, 2017 2:28 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*[AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the
game




https://seekingalpha.com/article/4086347-chevrolet-bolt-strangled-teslas-u-s-growth-rate-6-percent



One of the reasons we didn’t get a Tesla was because the
maintenance costs were insane compared to a Leaf.  I’m
still not sure why Nissan needs to change my brake fluid
every 12,000 miles but it’s still far less than Tesla. 





Rory

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[chuck]

Keep in mind, when you register it, you will get the locate requests.  One call 
under ground locating folks just serve to distribute the locate requests, they 
do not do any of the locating.  Owners of the underground facilities are 
responsible for doing the locates.  And if you fail to do the locate and you 
get damaged you eat it.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

Newbie questions…

 

We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR tracks 
for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an afterthought I was 
thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the pipe, so we can “register 
it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make I easier for future people to 
locate my stuff.

 

Did I mention it was a newbie question right?

 

What do I put in?

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[chuck]

I would use “Mule Tape” with the tracer wire in it.  That way when you go to 
pull in the cable, the pulling tape is already there.  
But yes, any conductive element will work.  If you use wire, us one thick 
enough that it will not break when you go to pull it out.  
I have seen guys put in 22 gauge and then have it snap on them when they go to 
put in their cable.  

http://www.neptco.com/website/neptco.nsf/270d11395818a46685256aa0006269e4/d0e2e8cd77971e6c85256928005f1c0e?OpenDocument

http://www.southwire.com/ProductCatalog/XTEInterfaceServlet?contentKey=prodcatsheetcond4

https://ribbonfactory.com/store/display_item/1107.html

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

Newbie questions…

 

We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR tracks 
for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an afterthought I was 
thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the pipe, so we can “register 
it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make I easier for future people to 
locate my stuff.

 

Did I mention it was a newbie question right?

 

What do I put in?

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game

[Robert Andrews]

How about if you stay away from covfefe?

On 07/08/2017 07:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Isn’t that cool!  Just stay away from the coffee and you go to heaven!
Who would reject a sure thing like that?

*From:* Jeremy
*Sent:* Friday, July 07, 2017 7:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game

Utahns are not allowed to drink Lattes.  They can drink cold caffeine
(Mtn. Dew), but heated caffeine is from the devil.
Inline image 1

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Now that's funny..somehow I feel that you must wear Birkenstocks
sandals and drink some delicate flavor latte...nope not for me...

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 7, 2017 5:59 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Utah sold it's soul to the devil?

Oh the irony :)

- Josh

On Jul 7, 2017 6:45 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I really want to test drive the Tesla 3.  Utah is one of
those Fu*ked up states that will not allow them to sell
direct or be a dealer unless the other dealers allow it

*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, July 07, 2017 4:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the
game

$120k costs more to run than a $20k car?  Gasp.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Rory Conaway
 wrote:

It’s in the scheduled maintenance.  Kind of B.S. in
trying to find reasons for making more money for the
dealers since there is nothing to really fix other than
tire rotation.  There are going to be a lot of mechanics
losing jobs as more electric cars hit the road.

Tesla however, is way more expensive than that on their
maintenance charges.  In fact, they are so expensive,
that their overall cost per mile is no better than a
38mpg gas car according to one of the car magazines.



Rory



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Friday, July 7, 2017 2:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into
the game



I  have never had a brake fluid change.



*From:*Rory Conaway 

*Sent:*Friday, July 07, 2017 2:28 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*[AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the
game




https://seekingalpha.com/article/4086347-chevrolet-bolt-strangled-teslas-u-s-growth-rate-6-percent



One of the reasons we didn’t get a Tesla was because the
maintenance costs were insane compared to a Leaf.  I’m
still not sure why Nissan needs to change my brake fluid
every 12,000 miles but it’s still far less than Tesla.  



Rory

[AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.

[Paul McCall]

Newbie questions...

We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR tracks 
for a path to Miami.  Conduit is almost finished and as an afterthought I was 
thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the pipe, so we can "register 
it" with One -Call service (in Florida) and make I easier for future people to 
locate my stuff.

Did I mention it was a newbie question right?

What do I put in?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game

[Chuck McCown]

I have not asked if you can do test drives from that location.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 8:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game

There's a showroom in the city, what's wrong with that? 

2312 South State Street
South Salt Lake City, UT 84115

Then Aspen and Vegas should have a unit you can buy and ship from?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I really want to test drive the Tesla 3.  Utah is one of those Fu*ked up 
states that will not allow them to sell direct or be a dealer unless the other 
dealers allow it 

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 4:38 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game

  $120k costs more to run than a $20k car?  Gasp.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

It’s in the scheduled maintenance.  Kind of B.S. in trying to find reasons 
for making more money for the dealers since there is nothing to really fix 
other than tire rotation.  There are going to be a lot of mechanics losing jobs 
as more electric cars hit the road.  

Tesla however, is way more expensive than that on their maintenance 
charges.  In fact, they are so expensive, that their overall cost per mile is 
no better than a 38mpg gas car according to one of the car magazines.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game



I  have never had a brake fluid change.



From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 2:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game




https://seekingalpha.com/article/4086347-chevrolet-bolt-strangled-teslas-u-s-growth-rate-6-percent

One of the reasons we didn’t get a Tesla was because the maintenance costs 
were insane compared to a Leaf.  I’m still not sure why Nissan needs to change 
my brake fluid every 12,000 miles but it’s still far less than Tesla.  



Rory

Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game

[Chuck McCown]

Isn’t that cool!  Just stay away from the coffee and you go to heaven!  Who 
would reject a sure thing like that?

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 7:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game

Utahns are not allowed to drink Lattes.  They can drink cold caffeine (Mtn. 
Dew), but heated caffeine is from the devil. 



On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Now that's funny..somehow I feel that you must wear Birkenstocks sandals and 
drink some delicate flavor latte...nope not for me...


  Jaime Solorza

  On Jul 7, 2017 5:59 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Utah sold it's soul to the devil? 

Oh the irony :)


- Josh

On Jul 7, 2017 6:45 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I really want to test drive the Tesla 3.  Utah is one of those Fu*ked up 
states that will not allow them to sell direct or be a dealer unless the other 
dealers allow it 

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 4:38 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game

  $120k costs more to run than a $20k car?  Gasp.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Rory Conaway  
wrote:

It’s in the scheduled maintenance.  Kind of B.S. in trying to find 
reasons for making more money for the dealers since there is nothing to really 
fix other than tire rotation.  There are going to be a lot of mechanics losing 
jobs as more electric cars hit the road.  

Tesla however, is way more expensive than that on their maintenance 
charges.  In fact, they are so expensive, that their overall cost per mile is 
no better than a 38mpg gas car according to one of the car magazines.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game



I  have never had a brake fluid change.



From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 2:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] The big boys are coming back into the game




https://seekingalpha.com/article/4086347-chevrolet-bolt-strangled-teslas-u-s-growth-rate-6-percent

One of the reasons we didn’t get a Tesla was because the maintenance 
costs were insane compared to a Leaf.  I’m still not sure why Nissan needs to 
change my brake fluid every 12,000 miles but it’s still far less than Tesla.  



Rory