Re: [AFMUG] Just in time

[Jay Weekley]

I figured you would have zip lined down a guy wire.

Jaime Solorza wrote:
Was on tower when I spotted this heading our way...off I go...put 
tools away quickly and loaded gear in truck...10 minutes later it hit 
with lightning , wind and rain...


Jaime Solorza

 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



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Re: [AFMUG] Just in time

[Jaime Solorza]

Hairs on my arms as detector have worked well so far

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 18, 2017 7:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I had a storm scope (sferics) that displayed on a moving map in an
> airplane.
>
> It was OK I guess, you could see the storm with your eyes just about as
> good.  But then when Nexrad radar became available, I never looked at the
> storm scope  data again.
>
> The radar is soo good.
> Red== Dead,
> Yellow==Scare a Fellow,
> Green == color of the passengers and their puke.
>
> Lesson was, stay out of the colored areas on the map.  It had snow and Ice
> too.  Pink and Blue as I recall.  Stay out of color is the goal.
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 6:47 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Just in time
>
> Among the things which have reached proof of concept stage but I haven't
> developed further is a lightning detector which uses a commodity
> distance-to-strike IC to provide lighting data via SNMP and Web.   I
> glanced at my list and it's in the pile of stuff to do after the next
> generation of base unit comes out, the idea being that you can definitely
> do some interesting things if you known lighning is in the area to help you
> better weather the storm.   Not sure if or when it will ever see the light
> of day (there's quite a few projects like this which are effectively ideas
> which have progressed to the verified it is possible stage, but no
> further).
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:36 PM, David Milholen 
> wrote:
>
>> Here is what ya need
>>
>> https://create.arduino.cc/projecthub/runtimeprojects/a-light
>> ning-detector-for-arduino-9f679c
>>
>> I have a few of these guys in play doing my tower light monitoring and
>> control at our sites.
>>
>> I got a little inquisitive about how to detect lightning before it hits
>> and with some tweaks on the code of what I already have I now
>>
>> have a site that is bullet proof when a storm occurs. When It detects I
>> have the AC and DC bank drop out for 30min and drop back in
>>
>> once the storm passes. If detection still occurs during that 30min that
>> clock is reset.
>>
>> We do this only on 2 sites where towers do not have a ground or are
>> poorly grounded where system ground is read above 25ohms
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/18/2017 7:21 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Was on tower when I spotted this heading our way...off I go...put tools
>> away quickly and loaded gear in truck...10 minutes later it hit with
>> lightning , wind and rain...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fresh Meat

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Que ? No Habal Inglez  

No hablan Moto tampoco ! 

Motorola quien ? Una empresa prehistorica ! 

(I thought we had cleared up all the Motorola Dinosaurs ! ) 

LOL ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:19:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fresh Meat

> we are a Motorola user group roun here tho, you best get with the program

> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> Hi Donnie,

>> Which model of the Radwin Radios are you using ?

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:17:24 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Fresh Meat

>>> Welcome Donnie the Radwin user to the list. Please be kind
>>> From: Donnie McCorkle
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:11 PM
>>> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility
>>> Gotcha,
>>> I'm getting emails from the list now.
>>> Thanks again, didn't expect such a quick reply.
>>> Donnie

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fresh Meat

[Steve Jones]

we are a Motorola user group roun here tho, you best get with the program

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Hi Donnie,
>
> Which model of the Radwin Radios are you using ?
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:17:24 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT  Fresh Meat
>
> Welcome Donnie the Radwin user to the list.  Please be kind
>
> *From:* Donnie McCorkle
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:11 PM
> *To:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility
>
> Gotcha,
>
> I'm getting emails from the list now.
> Thanks again, didn't expect such a quick reply.
>
> Donnie
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fresh Meat

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hi Donnie, 

Which model of the Radwin Radios are you using ? 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:17:24 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Fresh Meat

> Welcome Donnie the Radwin user to the list. Please be kind
> From: Donnie McCorkle
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:11 PM
> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility
> Gotcha,
> I'm getting emails from the list now.
> Thanks again, didn't expect such a quick reply.
> Donnie

Re: [AFMUG] OT wages

[Steve Jones]

MIT just announced "audit" ... this is a big deal
Your boy will do fine, who needs buying power when your dad has paydays
(you still have paydays?)

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> One of my son’s finished his college education today.  He “graduated” a
> few months back, but had some classes to finish.  And part way through the
> summer semester he discovered he still needed one more.  It was RF design.
> And it was being taught at the same time as another class he needed.
>
> He got special permission, started two weeks late, never went to a single
> lecture or class and still got a B.
>
> The kid spent part of his youth on my far-field antenna test range.  He
> certainly knew plenty of RF.
>
> He is going back to the same department at Hill Airforce Base where he
> interned last summer.  GS7
>
> About the same pay as I got 30 years ago when leaving college.
> Seems sad that they have so much less buying power than I did.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fresh Meat

[Mathew Howard]

We're always kind aren't we?

On Jul 18, 2017 6:36 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> Well the first days are the hardest days, don't you worry any more,
> 'Cause when life looks like Easy Street, there is danger at your door.
> Think this through with me, let me know your mind,
> Wo, oh, what I want to know, is are you kind?
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Jump on in.  Water is fine...Radwin? There are several thousand Radwins
>> 4.9GHz links for surveillance at intersections and buildings across in Cd.
>> Juarez installed by Israeli and Mexican team ...I did site survey with
>> armed Federal police  back in 2006.  Took four days...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2017 5:17 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome Donnie the Radwin user to the list.  Please be kind
>>>
>>> *From:* Donnie McCorkle
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:11 PM
>>> *To:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility
>>>
>>> Gotcha,
>>>
>>> I'm getting emails from the list now.
>>> Thanks again, didn't expect such a quick reply.
>>>
>>> Donnie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hmm lots of options... 
Not sure what your limitations are.. 

1) Yes, shorter the distance, better the uptime , less the rain fade. 24ghz or 
80ghz or even 60ghz (***) 

2) Don't count out the 2.5G Metrolinq with lR Brackets, especially if you are 
looking at sub 1mile link. 

3) you can always be creative and bond, AF24 + 60Ghz links to get desire thru 
put 

(secret to using 60ghz is in using the 64.8ghz channel on the current 
hardware.. very different oxygen absorption characteristics .. rain fade will 
be very similar to 24ghz). 

Best of Luck. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 12:30:47 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

> So we have a link that's around ~1.7 miles running on an airFiber24, which we
> needs to be upgraded to something faster (looking for more than 1 gig), 
> ideally
> with less rain fade...

> We happen to have another tower, which is almost exactly half way between, so 
> I
> could split the distance in half. My idea, is to do two 80ghz links... it 
> looks
> like I can do two Siklu 5500 links, which will give me 2Gbps for less money
> than doing one 18ghz link with my bandwidth requirements, and it has the
> ability to upgrade to 5Gbps with just a license key... and it also has the
> advantage of getting us lots of bandwidth at the third tower.

> Is this a good idea, or am I missing something that makes this completely 
> nuts?
> Does anyone have real world experience with rain fade in 80ghz (rain zone K,
> southern Wisconsin, so pretty much the same weather as the Chicago area)?
> According to the Siklu link budget calculator, it looks like we should get
> better availability with the two 80ghz links than what we're getting now with
> 24ghz (at twice the distance).

Re: [AFMUG] Just in time

[Chuck McCown]

I had a storm scope (sferics) that displayed on a moving map in an airplane.  

It was OK I guess, you could see the storm with your eyes just about as good.  
But then when Nexrad radar became available, I never looked at the storm scope  
data again.  

The radar is soo good.  
Red== Dead,  
Yellow==Scare a Fellow,  
Green == color of the passengers and their puke.  

Lesson was, stay out of the colored areas on the map.  It had snow and Ice too. 
 Pink and Blue as I recall.  Stay out of color is the goal.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 6:47 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Just in time

Among the things which have reached proof of concept stage but I haven't 
developed further is a lightning detector which uses a commodity 
distance-to-strike IC to provide lighting data via SNMP and Web.   I glanced at 
my list and it's in the pile of stuff to do after the next generation of base 
unit comes out, the idea being that you can definitely do some interesting 
things if you known lighning is in the area to help you better weather the 
storm.   Not sure if or when it will ever see the light of day (there's quite a 
few projects like this which are effectively ideas which have progressed to the 
verified it is possible stage, but no further). 





On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:36 PM, David Milholen  wrote:

  Here is what ya need 


  
https://create.arduino.cc/projecthub/runtimeprojects/a-lightning-detector-for-arduino-9f679c

  I have a few of these guys in play doing my tower light monitoring and 
control at our sites. 


  I got a little inquisitive about how to detect lightning before it hits and 
with some tweaks on the code of what I already have I now

  have a site that is bullet proof when a storm occurs. When It detects I have 
the AC and DC bank drop out for 30min and drop back in 


  once the storm passes. If detection still occurs during that 30min that clock 
is reset.

  We do this only on 2 sites where towers do not have a ground or are poorly 
grounded where system ground is read above 25ohms





  On 7/18/2017 7:21 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Was on tower when I spotted this heading our way...off I go...put tools 
away quickly and loaded gear in truck...10 minutes later it hit with lightning 
, wind and rain...


Jaime Solorza


  -- 





-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy CMM3 Synced with PacketFlux SyncInjector

[George Skorup]

This backwards? 
http://manuals.packetflux.com/index.php?page=using-a-cmm-or-canopy-radio-as-a-sync-source


I'm remembering something about the CMM3 to CMM3 wanting pins 1 and 6 
reversed on one side. Or maybe that was the CMM2. I haven't used a CMM 
in like 10 years.


On 7/18/2017 7:04 PM, Matt wrote:

Is there a simple way to take the daisy chain sync output from a
PacketFlux SyncInjector and provide sync to a Canopy CMM3?

Re: [AFMUG] Just in time

[Chuck McCown]

I know that TV and FM transmitters (some of them, Harris for one) have options 
for equipment that can detect a strike on their tower and disconnect the 
transmitter before the strike gets to it.  

Those high power transmitters use a circulator hybrid of thing that will send 
the RF to a dummy load while the antenna is disconnected.  Pretty awesome.  Saw 
it in action once.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 6:47 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Just in time

Among the things which have reached proof of concept stage but I haven't 
developed further is a lightning detector which uses a commodity 
distance-to-strike IC to provide lighting data via SNMP and Web.   I glanced at 
my list and it's in the pile of stuff to do after the next generation of base 
unit comes out, the idea being that you can definitely do some interesting 
things if you known lighning is in the area to help you better weather the 
storm.   Not sure if or when it will ever see the light of day (there's quite a 
few projects like this which are effectively ideas which have progressed to the 
verified it is possible stage, but no further). 





On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:36 PM, David Milholen  wrote:

  Here is what ya need 


  
https://create.arduino.cc/projecthub/runtimeprojects/a-lightning-detector-for-arduino-9f679c

  I have a few of these guys in play doing my tower light monitoring and 
control at our sites. 


  I got a little inquisitive about how to detect lightning before it hits and 
with some tweaks on the code of what I already have I now

  have a site that is bullet proof when a storm occurs. When It detects I have 
the AC and DC bank drop out for 30min and drop back in 


  once the storm passes. If detection still occurs during that 30min that clock 
is reset.

  We do this only on 2 sites where towers do not have a ground or are poorly 
grounded where system ground is read above 25ohms





  On 7/18/2017 7:21 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Was on tower when I spotted this heading our way...off I go...put tools 
away quickly and loaded gear in truck...10 minutes later it hit with lightning 
, wind and rain...


Jaime Solorza


  -- 





-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Just in time

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Among the things which have reached proof of concept stage but I haven't
developed further is a lightning detector which uses a commodity
distance-to-strike IC to provide lighting data via SNMP and Web.   I
glanced at my list and it's in the pile of stuff to do after the next
generation of base unit comes out, the idea being that you can definitely
do some interesting things if you known lighning is in the area to help you
better weather the storm.   Not sure if or when it will ever see the light
of day (there's quite a few projects like this which are effectively ideas
which have progressed to the verified it is possible stage, but no further).





On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:36 PM, David Milholen  wrote:

> Here is what ya need
>
> https://create.arduino.cc/projecthub/runtimeprojects/a-
> lightning-detector-for-arduino-9f679c
>
> I have a few of these guys in play doing my tower light monitoring and
> control at our sites.
>
> I got a little inquisitive about how to detect lightning before it hits
> and with some tweaks on the code of what I already have I now
>
> have a site that is bullet proof when a storm occurs. When It detects I
> have the AC and DC bank drop out for 30min and drop back in
>
> once the storm passes. If detection still occurs during that 30min that
> clock is reset.
>
> We do this only on 2 sites where towers do not have a ground or are poorly
> grounded where system ground is read above 25ohms
>
>
>
> On 7/18/2017 7:21 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Was on tower when I spotted this heading our way...off I go...put tools
> away quickly and loaded gear in truck...10 minutes later it hit with
> lightning , wind and rain...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
> --
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Just in time

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

You need one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps=lightning+detector



On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Was on tower when I spotted this heading our way...off I go...put tools
> away quickly and loaded gear in truck...10 minutes later it hit with
> lightning , wind and rain...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Just in time

[David Milholen]

Here is what ya need

https://create.arduino.cc/projecthub/runtimeprojects/a-lightning-detector-for-arduino-9f679c

I have a few of these guys in play doing my tower light monitoring and 
control at our sites.


I got a little inquisitive about how to detect lightning before it hits 
and with some tweaks on the code of what I already have I now


have a site that is bullet proof when a storm occurs. When It detects I 
have the AC and DC bank drop out for 30min and drop back in


once the storm passes. If detection still occurs during that 30min that 
clock is reset.


We do this only on 2 sites where towers do not have a ground or are 
poorly grounded where system ground is read above 25ohms




On 7/18/2017 7:21 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Was on tower when I spotted this heading our way...off I go...put 
tools away quickly and loaded gear in truck...10 minutes later it hit 
with lightning , wind and rain...


Jaime Solorza


--

Re: [AFMUG] DIY DDoS box with iptables?

[Paul Stewart]

I guess it depends on what you are trying to accomplish here …. are you looking 
to scrub the traffic clean or just block dirty traffic?  How will you determine 
what traffic is dirty and apply rules on the fly?

Sorry - many questions come to mind here and don’t mean to sound negative but 
it seriously comes down to expectations.  I’m aware of one company that I’ve 
seen that built their own - they spent three years developing it to their needs 
with 4 developers working on nothing but it … at the end of the day they spend 
more money than just buying an Arbor system and still spend considerable 
dollars trying to maintain it ….


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Dev  wrote:
> 
> What is the feasibility of building a DDoS protection box out of a bare Linux 
> server running a dual-10G/40G NIC inline with iptables handling junk traffic, 
> and then a third eth for management? Seems like the 10G/40G card could help 
> scrub traffic before it hits your core? Has anyone built one? I’ve heard 
> about CCR’s, but my experience with MT has been...weird, they just do weird 
> stuff from time to time, YMMV, etc. etc., but I’ve had better luck with Cisco 
> and the usual suspects. It seems like a purpose built vanilla Linux box would 
> be easily upgradeable, universally supported with vanilla kernel support, 
> etc. and you could just tweak stuff until you got it dialed, no?

Re: [AFMUG] DIY DDoS box with iptables?

[Mike Hammett]

First find your scrubbing platform of choice, then build whatever they support. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Dev"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:21:33 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] DIY DDoS box with iptables? 

What is the feasibility of building a DDoS protection box out of a bare Linux 
server running a dual-10G/40G NIC inline with iptables handling junk traffic, 
and then a third eth for management? Seems like the 10G/40G card could help 
scrub traffic before it hits your core? Has anyone built one? I’ve heard about 
CCR’s, but my experience with MT has been...weird, they just do weird stuff 
from time to time, YMMV, etc. etc., but I’ve had better luck with Cisco and the 
usual suspects. It seems like a purpose built vanilla Linux box would be easily 
upgradeable, universally supported with vanilla kernel support, etc. and you 
could just tweak stuff until you got it dialed, no? 

[AFMUG] OT wages

[Chuck McCown]

One of my son’s finished his college education today.  He “graduated” a few 
months back, but had some classes to finish.  And part way through the summer 
semester he discovered he still needed one more.  It was RF design.  And it was 
being taught at the same time as another class he needed.  

He got special permission, started two weeks late, never went to a single 
lecture or class and still got a B.  

The kid spent part of his youth on my far-field antenna test range.  He 
certainly knew plenty of RF.  

He is going back to the same department at Hill Airforce Base where he interned 
last summer.  GS7

About the same pay as I got 30 years ago when leaving college.  
Seems sad that they have so much less buying power than I did.  

[AFMUG] Canopy CMM3 Synced with PacketFlux SyncInjector

[Matt]

Is there a simple way to take the daisy chain sync output from a
PacketFlux SyncInjector and provide sync to a Canopy CMM3?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fresh Meat

[Steve Jones]

Well the first days are the hardest days, don't you worry any more,
'Cause when life looks like Easy Street, there is danger at your door.
Think this through with me, let me know your mind,
Wo, oh, what I want to know, is are you kind?

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Jump on in.  Water is fine...Radwin? There are several thousand Radwins
> 4.9GHz links for surveillance at intersections and buildings across in Cd.
> Juarez installed by Israeli and Mexican team ...I did site survey with
> armed Federal police  back in 2006.  Took four days...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jul 18, 2017 5:17 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Welcome Donnie the Radwin user to the list.  Please be kind
>>
>> *From:* Donnie McCorkle
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:11 PM
>> *To:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility
>>
>> Gotcha,
>>
>> I'm getting emails from the list now.
>> Thanks again, didn't expect such a quick reply.
>>
>> Donnie
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fresh Meat

[Jaime Solorza]

Jump on in.  Water is fine...Radwin? There are several thousand Radwins
4.9GHz links for surveillance at intersections and buildings across in Cd.
Juarez installed by Israeli and Mexican team ...I did site survey with
armed Federal police  back in 2006.  Took four days...

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 18, 2017 5:17 PM,  wrote:

> Welcome Donnie the Radwin user to the list.  Please be kind
>
> *From:* Donnie McCorkle
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:11 PM
> *To:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility
>
> Gotcha,
>
> I'm getting emails from the list now.
> Thanks again, didn't expect such a quick reply.
>
> Donnie
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT Fresh Meat

[chuck]

Welcome Donnie the Radwin user to the list.  Please be kind

From: Donnie McCorkle 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:11 PM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility

Gotcha,

I'm getting emails from the list now.
Thanks again, didn't expect such a quick reply.

Donnie

Re: [AFMUG] DIY DDoS box with iptables?

[Josh Baird]

Sounds like a job for your providers.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Dev  wrote:

> What is the feasibility of building a DDoS protection box out of a bare
> Linux server running a dual-10G/40G NIC inline with iptables handling junk
> traffic, and then a third eth for management? Seems like the 10G/40G card
> could help scrub traffic before it hits your core? Has anyone built one?
> I’ve heard about CCR’s, but my experience with MT has been...weird, they
> just do weird stuff from time to time, YMMV, etc. etc., but I’ve had better
> luck with Cisco and the usual suspects. It seems like a purpose built
> vanilla Linux box would be easily upgradeable, universally supported with
> vanilla kernel support, etc. and you could just tweak stuff until you got
> it dialed, no?

[AFMUG] DIY DDoS box with iptables?

[Dev]

What is the feasibility of building a DDoS protection box out of a bare Linux 
server running a dual-10G/40G NIC inline with iptables handling junk traffic, 
and then a third eth for management? Seems like the 10G/40G card could help 
scrub traffic before it hits your core? Has anyone built one? I’ve heard about 
CCR’s, but my experience with MT has been...weird, they just do weird stuff 
from time to time, YMMV, etc. etc., but I’ve had better luck with Cisco and the 
usual suspects. It seems like a purpose built vanilla Linux box would be easily 
upgradeable, universally supported with vanilla kernel support, etc. and you 
could just tweak stuff until you got it dialed, no?

Re: [AFMUG] AM Tower vs Cell site

[Jerry Head]

Within 100 feet will probably be inside the radials.
So a no go I would think.


On 7/17/2017 4:10 PM, George Skorup wrote:
The cell tower can become a radiator or director of the AM 
transmitter/antenna system and distort their pattern. It needs 
engineering and will typically get detuning elements. 100 feet may not 
even work or perhaps it won't matter, I don't know.


On 7/17/2017 3:53 PM, Dave wrote:
I am looking for someone who can answer a question about putting a 
cell tower with 2 carriers within 100' of an AM tower?


Would there be issues with a cell carrier being to close to an AM site?


--

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility

[chuck]

They merged...  (Radwin)

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 1:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility

Radwin or Raytheon? :)

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Anyone use our stuff with Radeon?

  Sent from my iPhone

  Begin forwarded message:


From: "Donnie McCorkle" 

Date: July 18, 2017 at 12:48:17 PM MDT
To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sa...@wbmfg.com');" 

Subject: Inquiry: Product Compatibility


Hello,



I am wondering if you have tested your Surge Suppressor/PoE Injector 
(800-GigE-PoE-APC) with any Radwin Base station equipment.



We have tested other DC PoE Equipment that fails to power up these radios 
as some PoE injectors seem to test the power pairs to detect the variations in 
the PoE standard.  As such they fail to power these radios.  I can provide 
technical contact information for Radwin if necesary.



Thanks

Donnie

Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

[George Skorup]

That Trango 5830 stuff worked great for a long time. But in all honesty, 
the greatest thing was that it used the same POE polarity and voltage as 
Canopy. Because we simply couldn't put up any more of it without 
frequency reuse and GPS sync.


On 7/18/2017 10:14 AM, John Seaman wrote:


Trango is alive and well although there is not much going on there in 
terms of new products.  It was time for me to move on. After focusing 
only on microwave for the last few years I am loving being back in the 
ptmp game!  Nice to be with a company with a lot of great product 
lines and more to come.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 6:57 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Can we start talking conspiracy about Trango yet? Because they kinda 
seem. MIA. Which is scary considering how many Lynx we have deployed.


On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:47 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:


Maybe... more $?

On 7/17/2017 10:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

But why does he have a new job...

*From:*Jeremy

*Sent:*Monday, July 17, 2017 9:26 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

John has a new job.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

Oh. oh I see  Didn’t catch that the first time around.

Hmmm. What is the meaning of this

*From:*Dustin Jurman

*Sent:*Monday, July 17, 2017 2:12 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

John has transitioned to the other side.

DSJ

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 3:44 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power
supply?

Wait, wait... John? Cambium? What?

When our ApexPlus power supplies have let the magic
capacitor juice out in the past (because of the HP ODUs
running them at 100% all the time), I've used Mean Well
MDR-100-48's. They're like $30. SDRs work fine too, but
$20 is $20.

Note that you cannot mix Apex and ApexPlus POE injectors.
It's not the same pinout.

On 7/17/2017 10:40 AM, John Seaman wrote:

Yep, the one Adam references is a good choice.  Any
Meanwell 48V model that has _Isolated Ground_ (very
important) and provides at least _70W_ will do.

John Seaman

Cambium Networks

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 7:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus
power supply?

If it's AC to DC I like Meanwell SDR.  I think you
only need 50 watts or so for a Trango, so this one has
a large margin. Put a DIN rail in your rack and you
can put like 12 or 14 of these in a row.


https://power.sager.com/sdr-120-48-2526640.html?utm_source=googlemerchant_medium=click_campaign=power-brand=Cj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB



In attached pic near the top you can see a row of
seven 240Watt units.

-- Original Message --

From: "Jon Langeler" >

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 7/17/2017 10:25:09 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power
supply?

Yep. Any examples?

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Adam Moffett

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT question

[Josh Reynolds]

OLT is UPC, ONT is APC. This is the standard from most OLT/ONT I've seen
deployed in North America.

On Jul 18, 2017 4:39 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> The OLTs are UPC from what I've read.
>
> On 7/18/2017 3:39 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> We got a Beta in of the UBNT OLT that came with an SC SFP (blue pop up
> tab) that I assumed was APC.� Even though the ONT is APC (Green) I know
> they could be different on each end and ordered some SC APC � SC UPC
> cables by assumption.
>
> �
>
> uf-gp-B+� is the SFP that is included and I can�t seem to find
> specs.�� Is this really an UPC connector device that just has a blue
> tab?
>
> �
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800�
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
> �
>
> �
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT question

[George Skorup]

The OLTs are UPC from what I've read.

On 7/18/2017 3:39 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


We got a Beta in of the UBNT OLT that came with an SC SFP (blue pop up 
tab) that I assumed was APC.  Even though the ONT is APC (Green) I 
know they could be different on each end and ordered some SC APC � SC 
UPC cables by assumption.


uf-gp-B+  is the SFP that is included and I can�t seem to find 
specs.   Is this really an UPC connector device that just has a blue tab?


Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

[AFMUG] UBNT OLT question

[Paul McCall]

We got a Beta in of the UBNT OLT that came with an SC SFP (blue pop up tab) 
that I assumed was APC.  Even though the ONT is APC (Green) I know they could 
be different on each end and ordered some SC APC - SC UPC cables by assumption.

uf-gp-B+  is the SFP that is included and I can't seem to find specs.   Is this 
really an UPC connector device that just has a blue tab?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility

[Adam Moffett]

Send me one and I'll test it with a Radwin 2000 :)

or I guess if were sending a sample it would make more sense to send 
it to that guy.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/18/2017 2:57:54 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility


Anyone use our stuff with Radeon?

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:


From: "Donnie McCorkle" 
Date: July 18, 2017 at 12:48:17 PM MDT
To: "sa...@wbmfg.com" 
Subject:Inquiry: Product Compatibility

Hello,



I am wondering if you have tested your Surge Suppressor/PoE Injector 
(800-GigE-PoE-APC) with any Radwin Base station equipment.




We have tested other DC PoE Equipment that fails to power up these 
radios as some PoE injectors seem to test the power pairs to detect 
the variations in the PoE standard.  As such they fail to power these 
radios.  I can provide technical contact information for Radwin if 
necesary.




Thanks

Donnie

Re: [AFMUG] Astronomers don't know what's causing these weird radio waves from a…

[Eric Kuhnke]

Which is kind of BS, since technically according to ham radio rules you
can't operate crypto of any sort on ham radio bands, but most modern
802.11n/802.11ac 5100 to 6000 MHz capable radios (Mikrotiks which will
ignore the US country code, for example) will not even form a link unless
you're using some form of WPA2. The number of people in the modern era who
want to run 802.11n or 802.11ac based wifi with no keys and no security is
pretty low so radio chipset manufacturers almost ignore the possibility.


On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Ham radio operators are allowed test mode in US
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> You know that's not a thing anymore for US sold gear right? Do you have a
>> naughty neighbor?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2017 4:50 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> fucking ubiquiti test mode
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ok, who is using a Hiperlink amplifier and causing this message?

 https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.the
 verge.com%2F2017%2F7%2F17%2F15982656%2Farecibo-observatory-r
 oss-128-red-dwarf-radio-waves-signal#pt0-276112
 Jaime Solorza

>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility

[Mike Hammett]

Video cards? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 1:57:54 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility 


Anyone use our stuff with Radeon? 

Sent from my iPhone 

Begin forwarded message: 




From: "Donnie McCorkle" < dmccor...@atcjet.net > 
Date: July 18, 2017 at 12:48:17 PM MDT 
To: " sa...@wbmfg.com " < sa...@wbmfg.com > 
Subject: Inquiry: Product Compatibility 








Hello, 

I am wondering if you have tested your Surge Suppressor/PoE Injector 
(800-GigE-PoE-APC) with any Radwin Base station equipment. 

We have tested other DC PoE Equipment that fails to power up these radios as 
some PoE injectors seem to test the power pairs to detect the variations in the 
PoE standard. As such they fail to power these radios. I can provide technical 
contact information for Radwin if necesary. 

Thanks 
Donnie 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility

[Adair Winter]

I've never used the mentioned module, but we do use the Radwin 5000 JET
radios with other MTC modules and they have been fine.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Radwin or Raytheon? :)
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2017, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Anyone use our stuff with Radeon?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* "Donnie McCorkle" 
>> *Date:* July 18, 2017 at 12:48:17 PM MDT
>> *To:* "sa...@wbmfg.com" 
>> *Subject:* *Inquiry: Product Compatibility*
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am wondering if you have tested your Surge Suppressor/PoE Injector
>> (800-GigE-PoE-APC) with any Radwin Base station equipment.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have tested other DC PoE Equipment that fails to power up these radios
>> as some PoE injectors seem to test the power pairs to detect the variations
>> in the PoE standard.  As such they fail to power these radios.  I can
>> provide technical contact information for Radwin if necesary.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Donnie
>>
>>


-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Astronomers don't know what's causing these weird radio waves from a…

[Josh Reynolds]

Found it.

They were forced to remove it by the FCC in 2014-ish. If you can provide
documentation to UBNT authorizing use, they can send you firmware with it
enabled.

On Jul 18, 2017 2:29 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> There was a big huffpuff about this awhile back. I'm pretty sure the end
> result was that they were pissed that it was not longer available.
>
> There's a thread somewhere, too lazy to dig it up on mobile.
>
> On Jul 18, 2017 12:45 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ham radio operators are allowed test mode in US
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You know that's not a thing anymore for US sold gear right? Do you have
>>> a naughty neighbor?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2017 4:50 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 fucking ubiquiti test mode

 On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, who is using a Hiperlink amplifier and causing this message?
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.the
> verge.com%2F2017%2F7%2F17%2F15982656%2Farecibo-observatory-r
> oss-128-red-dwarf-radio-waves-signal#pt0-276112
> Jaime Solorza
>


>>

Re: [AFMUG] Astronomers don't know what's causing these weird radio waves from a…

[Josh Reynolds]

There was a big huffpuff about this awhile back. I'm pretty sure the end
result was that they were pissed that it was not longer available.

There's a thread somewhere, too lazy to dig it up on mobile.

On Jul 18, 2017 12:45 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
wrote:

> Ham radio operators are allowed test mode in US
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> You know that's not a thing anymore for US sold gear right? Do you have a
>> naughty neighbor?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2017 4:50 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> fucking ubiquiti test mode
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ok, who is using a Hiperlink amplifier and causing this message?

 https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.the
 verge.com%2F2017%2F7%2F17%2F15982656%2Farecibo-observatory-r
 oss-128-red-dwarf-radio-waves-signal#pt0-276112
 Jaime Solorza

>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility

[Jason McKemie]

Radwin or Raytheon? :)

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Anyone use our stuff with Radeon?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* "Donnie McCorkle"  >
> *Date:* July 18, 2017 at 12:48:17 PM MDT
> *To:* "sa...@wbmfg.com "
> >
> *Subject:* *Inquiry: Product Compatibility*
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I am wondering if you have tested your Surge Suppressor/PoE Injector
> (800-GigE-PoE-APC) with any Radwin Base station equipment.
>
>
>
> We have tested other DC PoE Equipment that fails to power up these radios
> as some PoE injectors seem to test the power pairs to detect the variations
> in the PoE standard.  As such they fail to power these radios.  I can
> provide technical contact information for Radwin if necesary.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Donnie
>
>

[AFMUG] Fwd: Inquiry: Product Compatibility

[Chuck McCown]

Anyone use our stuff with Radeon?

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Donnie McCorkle" 
> Date: July 18, 2017 at 12:48:17 PM MDT
> To: "sa...@wbmfg.com" 
> Subject: Inquiry: Product Compatibility
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I am wondering if you have tested your Surge Suppressor/PoE Injector 
> (800-GigE-PoE-APC) with any Radwin Base station equipment.
>  
> We have tested other DC PoE Equipment that fails to power up these radios as 
> some PoE injectors seem to test the power pairs to detect the variations in 
> the PoE standard.  As such they fail to power these radios.  I can provide 
> technical contact information for Radwin if necesary.
>  
> Thanks
> Donnie

Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

[Carl Peterson]

Our experience with Siklu is that their link calculator is pretty accurate.


For repeater setups, I like multiple interfaces on the 2X00 radios for so I
can create separate A-B-C and A-C connections when doing a repeater setup.
This is missing on the 5500s.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> You should be good.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1152763711515746
>
> based on math in:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:30:47 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 70/80ghz links
>
> So we have a link that's around ~1.7 miles running on an airFiber24, which
> we needs to be upgraded to something faster (looking for more than 1 gig),
> ideally with less rain fade...
>
> We happen to have another tower, which is almost exactly half way between,
> so I could split the distance in half. My idea, is to do two 80ghz links...
> it looks like I can do two Siklu 5500 links, which will give me 2Gbps for
> less money than doing one 18ghz link with my bandwidth requirements, and it
> has the ability to upgrade to 5Gbps with just a license key... and it also
> has the advantage of getting us lots of bandwidth at the third tower.
>
> Is this a good idea, or am I missing something that makes this completely
> nuts? Does anyone have real world experience with rain fade in 80ghz (rain
> zone K, southern Wisconsin, so pretty much the same weather as the Chicago
> area)? According to the Siklu link budget calculator, it looks like we
> should get better availability with the two 80ghz links than what we're
> getting now with 24ghz (at twice the distance).
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

[Sean Heskett]

yes the siklu's are a good idea.

you can calculate the paths here: http://lbc.siklu.com/home.php


On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> So we have a link that's around ~1.7 miles running on an airFiber24, which
> we needs to be upgraded to something faster (looking for more than 1 gig),
> ideally with less rain fade...
>
> We happen to have another tower, which is almost exactly half way between,
> so I could split the distance in half. My idea, is to do two 80ghz links...
> it looks like I can do two Siklu 5500 links, which will give me 2Gbps for
> less money than doing one 18ghz link with my bandwidth requirements, and it
> has the ability to upgrade to 5Gbps with just a license key... and it also
> has the advantage of getting us lots of bandwidth at the third tower.
>
> Is this a good idea, or am I missing something that makes this completely
> nuts? Does anyone have real world experience with rain fade in 80ghz (rain
> zone K, southern Wisconsin, so pretty much the same weather as the Chicago
> area)? According to the Siklu link budget calculator, it looks like we
> should get better availability with the two 80ghz links than what we're
> getting now with 24ghz (at twice the distance).
>

Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

[Mike Hammett]

You should be good. 

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1152763711515746 

based on math in: 

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:30:47 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links 




So we have a link that's around ~1.7 miles running on an airFiber24, which we 
needs to be upgraded to something faster (looking for more than 1 gig), ideally 
with less rain fade... 

We happen to have another tower, which is almost exactly half way between, so I 
could split the distance in half. My idea, is to do two 80ghz links... it looks 
like I can do two Siklu 5500 links, which will give me 2Gbps for less money 
than doing one 18ghz link with my bandwidth requirements, and it has the 
ability to upgrade to 5Gbps with just a license key... and it also has the 
advantage of getting us lots of bandwidth at the third tower. 

Is this a good idea, or am I missing something that makes this completely nuts? 
Does anyone have real world experience with rain fade in 80ghz (rain zone K, 
southern Wisconsin, so pretty much the same weather as the Chicago area)? 
According to the Siklu link budget calculator, it looks like we should get 
better availability with the two 80ghz links than what we're getting now with 
24ghz (at twice the distance). 

Re: [AFMUG] Astronomers don't know what's causing these weird radio waves from a…

[chuck]

Yep, they can also install beacons and in some bands up to 1kW.  

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]Astronomers don't know what's causing these weird radio 
waves from a…

Ham radio operators are allowed test mode in US

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  You know that's not a thing anymore for US sold gear right? Do you have a 
naughty neighbor? 



  On Jul 17, 2017 4:50 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

fucking ubiquiti test mode

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Ok, who is using a Hiperlink amplifier and causing this message?

  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theverge.com%2F2017%2F7%2F17%2F15982656%2Farecibo-observatory-ross-128-red-dwarf-radio-waves-signal#pt0-276112
 
  Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Astronomers don't know what's causing these weird radio waves from a…

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Ham radio operators are allowed test mode in US

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> You know that's not a thing anymore for US sold gear right? Do you have a
> naughty neighbor?
>
>
>
> On Jul 17, 2017 4:50 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> fucking ubiquiti test mode
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, who is using a Hiperlink amplifier and causing this message?
>>>
>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.the
>>> verge.com%2F2017%2F7%2F17%2F15982656%2Farecibo-observatory-r
>>> oss-128-red-dwarf-radio-waves-signal#pt0-276112
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

[Rory Conaway]

Siklu is a good idea and a good price.  Cablefree is another one, more 
expensive but can go to 10Gbps.  RFcom is another vendor.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 9:31 AM
To: af
Subject: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

So we have a link that's around ~1.7 miles running on an airFiber24, which we 
needs to be upgraded to something faster (looking for more than 1 gig), ideally 
with less rain fade...
We happen to have another tower, which is almost exactly half way between, so I 
could split the distance in half. My idea, is to do two 80ghz links... it looks 
like I can do two Siklu 5500 links, which will give me 2Gbps for less money 
than doing one 18ghz link with my bandwidth requirements, and it has the 
ability to upgrade to 5Gbps with just a license key... and it also has the 
advantage of getting us lots of bandwidth at the third tower.
Is this a good idea, or am I missing something that makes this completely nuts? 
Does anyone have real world experience with rain fade in 80ghz (rain zone K, 
southern Wisconsin, so pretty much the same weather as the Chicago area)? 
According to the Siklu link budget calculator, it looks like we should get 
better availability with the two 80ghz links than what we're getting now with 
24ghz (at twice the distance).

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap

[Chris Wright]

ePMP might make sense to build in a new area, but when you have 100+ clients in 
a single 90 degree sector, replacing your triple-stacked PMP450 APs with a 
single 450M, saving 40MHz of spectrum, offering faster speeds, AND not having 
to swap 100+ radios feels mighty nice.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap

 

I've had ePMP's do some weird things here and there, like refusing to reboot or 
accept config changes.  Nothing a power cycle didn't fix.

I've had to power cycle a PMP100 or 450 to fix a problem approximately zero 
times.

 

I know a neighbor who had a tower hit by lightning an ePMP and a Ubiquiti 
Rocket died while the PMP100 and 430 stuff kept on chugging (he didn't have 450 
there yet).

 

450 has a few management conveniences like remote spectrum analyzer, RF private 
IP, and SM proxy access via AP.

 

So overall my experiences say the 450 is better than the ePMP, but I still use 
a lot of ePMP for all the reasons others have stated.  ePMP is good bang for 
the buck.

 

-Adam

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Mathew Howard" 

To: "af" 

Sent: 7/18/2017 10:23:17 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap

 

It seems to me (as someone who hasn't actually used PMP450 to speak of, other 
than 900mhz), that PMP450 has some advantages for high density deployments... 
particularly if you're talking 450m, or even the ability to easily upgrade to 
450m. But in a network like ours, where the average SMs per AP is somewhere 
around 15, I just can't see any way that it could possibly be worth going with 
450 over ePMP. 

 

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

The PMP450M can make ~~ 12° sectors. On a busy tower, and surrounded by noisy 
neighbors, we're often seeing 30 dBm SNR. Nothing else comes close.

bp

 

On 7/17/2017 10:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Serious question, not my usual sarcasm, how are you 450 folks justifying the 
substantial proce difference between 450 and epmp, seriously, if you dont 
freeze in the winter, i couldnt justify it. Granted we dont sellbover 12\2 and 
we dont have more than 40 per ap, i just dont see the value, they did too good 
a job on epmp

 

On Jul 3, 2017 12:10 PM, "Craig Schmaderer"  wrote:

I have never seen more than around 55mbps on 450sm in bridge mode with any 
firmware.  Maybe I missed a 14.x that it did, but I haven't seen more than 
55mbps on any 15.x firmware. I am working on a bug with then on 15.1 where it 
looks like the qos speed limiters are not enforcing speed settings.  I have 
never tried a 450i sm but I would assume those work fine, I have many 450i PTP 
that work great. 

 


  _  


From: Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser 

Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:38:49 AM 


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap

 

The original 450 hardware will max out at around 70mbps TCP. Even if you have 
no traffic on it that is the limitation. I don't remember which firmware it was 
but the 14.0 something sounds right and I have personally gotten the 70mbps to 
a SM on a AP with 3 clients. 

 

Now the 450i AP basically the 70mbps cap is gone and you can get whatever the 
link tests show (as long as your testing to an 450i SM). I have two customers 
with 450i SM on a 450i AP and have seen well over 125mbps TCP easy. Now that 
same AP talking to older 450SM's those SM's can still only get 70mbps max.

 

So basically what you need to do is put the 450i AP up where you need to total 
AP capacity of more than 50-60mbps and then only use the 450i SM on the clients 
that need more than the 50-70mbps. 

 

I have not tested speeds since I upgraded firmware to 15.1 so if a bug was 
recently introduced I know nothing of it.

 

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 7:51 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

Aaron demonstrated some throughput improvements with both NAT and bridge mode 
back around 14.2 development. IIRC, they were able to get a little over 70Mbps 
downlink in bridge mode on a standard 450 SM. Real TCP throughput, not a link 
test.

What I was seeing on some of our most heavily loaded 450 sectors is the AP 
seemed to max out around 55Mbps downlink and 10-11k PPS. In that case I'm 
thinking the issue was simply the PPS limit and not that the AP was limited to 
55Mbps.

As far as the SM, I don't know. Perhaps a regression with 15.x. 15.0.x did have 
some high-priority issues.

On 7/1/2017 2:25 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:

Ok, I have tried to get cambium to publicly admit to this ever since I started 
using 450 a few years ago.  The current sm in no way can pass more than about 
50-55 mbs of real traffic. This has never been a real issue however because I 
don't do those kind of speed 

[AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

[Mathew Howard]

So we have a link that's around ~1.7 miles running on an airFiber24, which
we needs to be upgraded to something faster (looking for more than 1 gig),
ideally with less rain fade...

We happen to have another tower, which is almost exactly half way between,
so I could split the distance in half. My idea, is to do two 80ghz links...
it looks like I can do two Siklu 5500 links, which will give me 2Gbps for
less money than doing one 18ghz link with my bandwidth requirements, and it
has the ability to upgrade to 5Gbps with just a license key... and it also
has the advantage of getting us lots of bandwidth at the third tower.

Is this a good idea, or am I missing something that makes this completely
nuts? Does anyone have real world experience with rain fade in 80ghz (rain
zone K, southern Wisconsin, so pretty much the same weather as the Chicago
area)? According to the Siklu link budget calculator, it looks like we
should get better availability with the two 80ghz links than what we're
getting now with 24ghz (at twice the distance).

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap

[Adam Moffett]

I've had ePMP's do some weird things here and there, like refusing to 
reboot or accept config changes.  Nothing a power cycle didn't fix.
I've had to power cycle a PMP100 or 450 to fix a problem approximately 
zero times.


I know a neighbor who had a tower hit by lightning an ePMP and a 
Ubiquiti Rocket died while the PMP100 and 430 stuff kept on chugging (he 
didn't have 450 there yet).


450 has a few management conveniences like remote spectrum analyzer, RF 
private IP, and SM proxy access via AP.


So overall my experiences say the 450 is better than the ePMP, but I 
still use a lot of ePMP for all the reasons others have stated.  ePMP is 
good bang for the buck.


-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 7/18/2017 10:23:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap

It seems to me (as someone who hasn't actually used PMP450 to speak of, 
other than 900mhz), that PMP450 has some advantages for high density 
deployments... particularly if you're talking 450m, or even the ability 
to easily upgrade to 450m. But in a network like ours, where the 
average SMs per AP is somewhere around 15, I just can't see any way 
that it could possibly be worth going with 450 over ePMP.


On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
The PMP450M can make ~~ 12° sectors. On a busy tower, and surrounded 
by noisy neighbors, we're often seeing 30 dBm SNR. Nothing else comes 
close.


bp 
On 7/17/2017 10:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Serious question, not my usual sarcasm, how are you 450 folks 
justifying the substantial proce difference between 450 and epmp, 
seriously, if you dont freeze in the winter, i couldnt justify it. 
Granted we dont sellbover 12\2 and we dont have more than 40 per ap, 
i just dont see the value, they did too good a job on epmp


On Jul 3, 2017 12:10 PM, "Craig Schmaderer" 
 wrote:
I have never seen more than around 55mbps on 450sm in bridge mode 
with any firmware.  Maybe I missed a 14.x that it did, but I haven't 
seen more than 55mbps on any 15.x firmware. I am working on a bug 
with then on 15.1 where it looks like the qos speed limiters are not 
enforcing speed settings.  I have never tried a 450i sm but I would 
assume those work fine, I have many 450i PTP that work great.



From: Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser 


Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:38:49 AM

To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 ~50mbps cap

The original 450 hardware will max out at around 70mbps TCP. Even if 
you have no traffic on it that is the limitation. I don't remember 
which firmware it was but the 14.0 something sounds right and I have 
personally gotten the 70mbps to a SM on a AP with 3 clients.


Now the 450i AP basically the 70mbps cap is gone and you can get 
whatever the link tests show (as long as your testing to an 450i 
SM). I have two customers with 450i SM on a 450i AP and have seen 
well over 125mbps TCP easy. Now that same AP talking to older 
450SM's those SM's can still only get 70mbps max.


So basically what you need to do is put the 450i AP up where you 
need to total AP capacity of more than 50-60mbps and then only use 
the 450i SM on the clients that need more than the 50-70mbps.


I have not tested speeds since I upgraded firmware to 15.1 so if a 
bug was recently introduced I know nothing of it.


On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 7:51 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:
Aaron demonstrated some throughput improvements with both NAT and 
bridge mode back around 14.2 development. IIRC, they were able to 
get a little over 70Mbps downlink in bridge mode on a standard 450 
SM. Real TCP throughput, not a link test.


What I was seeing on some of our most heavily loaded 450 sectors is 
the AP seemed to max out around 55Mbps downlink and 10-11k PPS. In 
that case I'm thinking the issue was simply the PPS limit and not 
that the AP was limited to 55Mbps.


As far as the SM, I don't know. Perhaps a regression with 15.x. 
15.0.x did have some high-priority issues.


On 7/1/2017 2:25 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Ok, I have tried to get cambium to publicly admit to this ever 
since I started using 450 a few years ago.  The current sm in no 
way can pass more than about 50-55 mbs of real traffic. This has 
never been a real issue however because I don't do those kind of 
speed plans. I have been waiting for their new sm design to take 
care of this. If anyone disagrees with me I would love to chat. 
(Really)



From: Af   on 
behalf of George Skorup  


Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:01:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

[John Seaman]

Trango is alive and well although there is not much going on there in terms of 
new products.  It was time for me to move on.  After focusing only on microwave 
for the last few years I am loving being back in the ptmp game!  Nice to be 
with a company with a lot of great product lines and more to come.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 6:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Can we start talking conspiracy about Trango yet? Because they kinda seem. 
MIA. Which is scary considering how many Lynx we have deployed.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:47 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
Maybe... more $?

On 7/17/2017 10:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But why does he have a new job...

From: Jeremy
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

John has a new job.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Oh.  oh I see  Didn’t catch that the first time around.
Hmmm.  What is the meaning of this

From: Dustin Jurman
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

John has transitioned to the other side.

DSJ

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 3:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Wait, wait... John? Cambium? What?

When our ApexPlus power supplies have let the magic capacitor juice out in the 
past (because of the HP ODUs running them at 100% all the time), I've used Mean 
Well MDR-100-48's. They're like $30. SDRs work fine too, but $20 is $20.

Note that you cannot mix Apex and ApexPlus POE injectors. It's not the same 
pinout.
On 7/17/2017 10:40 AM, John Seaman wrote:
Yep, the one Adam references is a good choice.  Any Meanwell 48V model that has 
Isolated Ground (very important) and provides at least 70W will do.

John Seaman
Cambium Networks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?


If it's AC to DC I like Meanwell SDR.  I think you only need 50 watts or so for 
a Trango, so this one has a large margin.  Put a DIN rail in your rack and you 
can put like 12 or 14 of these in a row.
https://power.sager.com/sdr-120-48-2526640.html?utm_source=googlemerchant_medium=click_campaign=power-brand=Cj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB

In attached pic near the top you can see a row of seven 240Watt units.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/17/2017 10:25:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Yep. Any examples?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:

Anything 48v that doesn't have a negative ground.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/17/2017 10:17:31 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Any suggestions?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

[Dustin Jurman]

It’s like when Vader came back to the force.

DSJ

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Oh.  oh I see  Didn’t catch that the first time around.
Hmmm.  What is the meaning of this

From: Dustin Jurman
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

John has transitioned to the other side.

DSJ

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Wait, wait... John? Cambium? What?

When our ApexPlus power supplies have let the magic capacitor juice out in the 
past (because of the HP ODUs running them at 100% all the time), I've used Mean 
Well MDR-100-48's. They're like $30. SDRs work fine too, but $20 is $20.

Note that you cannot mix Apex and ApexPlus POE injectors. It's not the same 
pinout.
On 7/17/2017 10:40 AM, John Seaman wrote:
Yep, the one Adam references is a good choice.  Any Meanwell 48V model that has 
Isolated Ground (very important) and provides at least 70W will do.

John Seaman
Cambium Networks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?


If it's AC to DC I like Meanwell SDR.  I think you only need 50 watts or so for 
a Trango, so this one has a large margin.  Put a DIN rail in your rack and you 
can put like 12 or 14 of these in a row.
https://power.sager.com/sdr-120-48-2526640.html?utm_source=googlemerchant_medium=click_campaign=power-brand=Cj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB

In attached pic near the top you can see a row of seven 240Watt units.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/17/2017 10:25:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Yep. Any examples?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:

Anything 48v that doesn't have a negative ground.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jon Langeler" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/17/2017 10:17:31 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Any suggestions?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

[chuck]

I hear they were abducted...

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

Can we start talking conspiracy about Trango yet? Because they kinda seem. 
MIA. Which is scary considering how many Lynx we have deployed. 

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:47 PM, George Skorup  
wrote:

  Maybe... more $? 



  On 7/17/2017 10:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

But why does he have a new job...

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

John has a new job.  

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Oh.  oh I see  Didn’t catch that the first time around.
  Hmmm.  What is the meaning of this

  From: Dustin Jurman 
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:12 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

  John has transitioned to the other side.



  DSJ



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
  Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 3:44 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?


  Wait, wait... John? Cambium? What?

  When our ApexPlus power supplies have let the magic capacitor juice out 
in the past (because of the HP ODUs running them at 100% all the time), I've 
used Mean Well MDR-100-48's. They're like $30. SDRs work fine too, but $20 is 
$20.

  Note that you cannot mix Apex and ApexPlus POE injectors. It's not the 
same pinout.

  On 7/17/2017 10:40 AM, John Seaman wrote:

Yep, the one Adam references is a good choice.  Any Meanwell 48V model 
that has Isolated Ground (very important) and provides at least 70W will do. 



John Seaman

Cambium Networks



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?





If it's AC to DC I like Meanwell SDR.  I think you only need 50 watts 
or so for a Trango, so this one has a large margin.  Put a DIN rail in your 
rack and you can put like 12 or 14 of these in a row.


https://power.sager.com/sdr-120-48-2526640.html?utm_source=googlemerchant_medium=click_campaign=power-brand=Cj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITjBf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB



In attached pic near the top you can see a row of seven 240Watt units.







-- Original Message --

From: "Jon Langeler" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 7/17/2017 10:25:09 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?



  Yep. Any examples?



  Jon Langeler

  Michwave Technologies, Inc.





On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:



Anything 48v that doesn't have a negative ground.





-- Original Message --

From: "Jon Langeler" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 7/17/2017 10:17:31 AM

Subject: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?



  Any suggestions?



  Jon Langeler

  Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?

[Joe Novak]

Can we start talking conspiracy about Trango yet? Because they kinda
seem. MIA. Which is scary considering how many Lynx we have deployed.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:47 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Maybe... more $?
>
>
> On 7/17/2017 10:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> But why does he have a new job...
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 9:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?
>
> John has a new job.
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Oh.  oh I see  Didn’t catch that the first time around.
>> Hmmm.  What is the meaning of this
>>
>> *From:* Dustin Jurman
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 2:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?
>>
>>
>> John has transitioned to the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>> DSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 3:44 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?
>>
>>
>>
>> Wait, wait... John? Cambium? What?
>>
>> When our ApexPlus power supplies have let the magic capacitor juice out
>> in the past (because of the HP ODUs running them at 100% all the time),
>> I've used Mean Well MDR-100-48's. They're like $30. SDRs work fine too, but
>> $20 is $20.
>>
>> Note that you cannot mix Apex and ApexPlus POE injectors. It's not the
>> same pinout.
>>
>> On 7/17/2017 10:40 AM, John Seaman wrote:
>>
>> Yep, the one Adam references is a good choice.  Any Meanwell 48V model
>> that has *Isolated Ground* (very important) and provides at least *70W*
>> will do.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Seaman
>>
>> Cambium Networks
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 7:38 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If it's AC to DC I like Meanwell SDR.  I think you only need 50 watts or
>> so for a Trango, so this one has a large margin.  Put a DIN rail in your
>> rack and you can put like 12 or 14 of these in a row.
>>
>> https://power.sager.com/sdr-120-48-2526640.html?utm_source=
>> googlemerchant_medium=click_campaign=power-
>> brand=Cj0KCQjwwLHLBRDEARIsAN1A1Q5m9oBTTOpDXNIiS3WMcITj
>> Bf9_wOBRKmTQGtEBVgXBjGA2w7TSYhcaAqtOEALw_wcB
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> In attached pic near the top you can see a row of seven 240Watt units.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Jon Langeler" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 7/17/2017 10:25:09 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep. Any examples?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>>
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Anything 48v that doesn't have a negative ground.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Jon Langeler" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 7/17/2017 10:17:31 AM
>>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>>
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

[Rory Conaway]

Yea, typo.  Thanks for pointing that out so eloquently.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

#savage

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

Rogue vs. rouge

A rogue is (1) a scoundrel, (2) a vicious or solitary animal, or (3) a 
fraudulent piece of software. The word is also an 
adjective meaning vicious and 
solitary. Rouge is a pinkish color or a reddish powder. It’s also a 
verb meaning to put rouge onto. It 
appears surprisingly often in place of rogue.

http://grammarist.com/spelling/rogue-rouge/

Just wanted to let you know.;-)

bp




On 7/17/2017 9:24 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Rouge access point suppression.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

Just an update on this nonsense. Turns out, this site is the only one who didnt 
sign the new cool beans lease, so im screwed in that regard. This fool has 4 
epmp up in 5.1, same channel, new essids indicate all other sites are 
configured the same. And hes ripped right through thr middle of me. But as he 
says, DFS will take care of it... fucking douche

On Jun 28, 2017 5:10 PM, "Dave" 
> wrote:
Depends if hes from out of town :)

On 06/28/2017 02:45 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
All jokes aside, you do NOT want to get into a pissing match with another WISP. 
No one wins.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

ubnt in test mode

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
Let's follow the logic...

Property Owner wants more $, as such has chosen to ignore the 'exclusivity' 
right you may have listed in the contract.

You can exercise your right to complain
You can exercise your right to take your marbles and go play somewhere else.
Depending on who is paying more to the property owner, and who has a better 
relationship, you or the other guy can complaint on each other... but at the 
end of the day.. the property owner is going to ask you to just get along !

So the short answer is . NO, there is realistic recourse to what you have 
in mind..

You can always deploy Mimosa gear using 80mhz channels :)

:)



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Steve Jones" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)
is there realistically any recourse?

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Mitch Koep 
> wrote:
And your question is?



On 6/27/2017 11:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I am not asking about any FCC Part X rules, I know this isn't an FCC issue 
under any circumstances.

We have leases with all our POP landlords, in the lease we own the site 
spectrum, with the exception of very few locations we don't collocate, just not 
worth the hassle.

I come rolling up on a site today, 100 feet from our POP is a new POP, not us, 
cause though I used to enjoy spooning some powder with baking soda, I don't 
smoke crack, POP#2 isn't ours, even though its on the same property, Id recall 
a full EPMP and backhaul deployment.

I'm an honest operator, very honest, like the first time UBT sent us new 
stickers for spectrum I made sure we actually put them out (be honest, pretty 
much NOBODY did that) I turn down power where we don't need it. I do my best to 
make sure we are compliant. I fought bosses to remove non compliant stuff I put 
up before I knew better. For the most part, I'm a good fucking neighbor, ask 
anybody abutting me. (with the exception of one location I collocate where I'm 
a dick, but a legal dick)

So you can understand my dismay, being the pillar of the spectrum community Ive 
tried to be (also found out today I inadvertently fucked a fellow wisp on a bad 
choice I made with no follow up, I owned it with him and will be working on 
fixing that as of tomorrow)

I approach everything with combat boots, assuming a battle. I'm 

Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

[Andy Trimmell]

#savage

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

 


Rogue vs. rouge


A rogue is (1) a scoundrel, (2) a vicious or solitary animal, or (3) a 
fraudulent piece of software. The word is also an adjective 
  meaning vicious and solitary. 
Rouge is a pinkish color or a reddish powder. It’s also a verb 
  meaning to put rouge onto. It appears 
surprisingly often in place of rogue.

http://grammarist.com/spelling/rogue-rouge/

Just wanted to let you know.;-)

bp

 

On 7/17/2017 9:24 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Rouge access point suppression.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

 

Just an update on this nonsense. Turns out, this site is the only one 
who didnt sign the new cool beans lease, so im screwed in that regard. This 
fool has 4 epmp up in 5.1, same channel, new essids indicate all other sites 
are configured the same. And hes ripped right through thr middle of me. But as 
he says, DFS will take care of it... fucking douche

 

On Jun 28, 2017 5:10 PM, "Dave"  wrote:

Depends if hes from out of town :)
 

On 06/28/2017 02:45 PM, Chris Wright wrote:

All jokes aside, you do NOT want to get into a pissing match 
with another WISP. No one wins.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

 

ubnt in test mode

 

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
 wrote:

Let's follow the logic...

 

Property Owner wants more $, as such has chosen to ignore the 
'exclusivity' right you may have listed in the contract.

 

You can exercise your right to complain

You can exercise your right to take your marbles and go play 
somewhere else.

Depending on who is paying more to the property owner, and who 
has a better relationship, you or the other guy can complaint on each other... 
but at the end of the day.. the property owner is going to ask you to just get 
along !

 

So the short answer is . NO, there is realistic recourse to 
what you have in mind..

 

You can always deploy Mimosa gear using 80mhz channels :)

 

:)

 

 

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 
or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 





From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation 
(5ghz)

is there realistically any recourse?

 

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Mitch Koep 
 wrote:

And your question is?




On 6/27/2017 11:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I am not asking about any FCC Part X rules, I 
know this isn't an FCC issue under any circumstances.

We have leases with all our POP landlords, in 
the lease we own the site spectrum, with the exception of very few locations we 
don't collocate, just not worth the hassle.

I come rolling up on a site today, 100 feet 
from our POP is a new POP, not us, cause though I used to enjoy spooning some 
powder with baking soda, I don't smoke crack, POP#2 isn't ours, even though its 
on the same property, Id recall a full EPMP and backhaul deployment.
  

Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

[Bill Prince]

 Rogue vs. rouge

A*rogue*is (1) a scoundrel, (2) a vicious or solitary animal, or (3) a 
fraudulent piece of software. The word is also anadjective 
meaning/vicious and 
solitary/.*Rouge*is a pinkish color or a reddish powder. It’s also averb 
meaning/to put rouge onto/. It 
appears surprisingly often in place of /rogue/.


http://grammarist.com/spelling/rogue-rouge/

Just wanted to let you know.;-)

bp


On 7/17/2017 9:24 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


Rouge access point suppression.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2017 8:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

Just an update on this nonsense. Turns out, this site is the only one 
who didnt sign the new cool beans lease, so im screwed in that regard. 
This fool has 4 epmp up in 5.1, same channel, new essids indicate all 
other sites are configured the same. And hes ripped right through thr 
middle of me. But as he says, DFS will take care of it... fucking douche


On Jun 28, 2017 5:10 PM, "Dave" > wrote:


Depends if hes from out of town :)

On 06/28/2017 02:45 PM, Chris Wright wrote:

All jokes aside, you do NOT want to get into a pissing match with
another WISP. No one wins.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2017 12:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

ubnt in test mode

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
> wrote:

Let's follow the logic...

Property Owner wants more $, as such has chosen to ignore the
'exclusivity' right you may have listed in the contract.

You can exercise your right to complain

You can exercise your right to take your marbles and go play
somewhere else.

Depending on who is paying more to the property owner, and who has
a better relationship, you or the other guy can complaint on each
other... but at the end of the day.. the property owner is going
to ask you to just get along !

So the short answer is . NO, there is realistic recourse to
what you have in mind..

You can always deploy Mimosa gear using 80mhz channels :)

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 



*From: *"Steve Jones" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:10:52 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

is there realistically any recourse?

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Mitch Koep > wrote:

And your question is?




On 6/27/2017 11:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I am not asking about any FCC Part X rules, I know this
isn't an FCC issue under any circumstances.

We have leases with all our POP landlords, in the lease we
own the site spectrum, with the exception of very few
locations we don't collocate, just not worth the hassle.

I come rolling up on a site today, 100 feet from our POP
is a new POP, not us, cause though I used to enjoy
spooning some powder with baking soda, I don't smoke
crack, POP#2 isn't ours, even though its on the same
property, Id recall a full EPMP and backhaul deployment.

I'm an honest operator, very honest, like the first time
UBT sent us new stickers for spectrum I made sure we
actually put them out (be honest, pretty much NOBODY did
that) I turn down power where we don't need it. I do my
best to make sure we are compliant. I fought bosses to
remove non compliant stuff I put up before I knew better.
For the most part, I'm a good fucking neighbor, ask
anybody abutting me. (with the exception of one location I
collocate where I'm a dick, but a legal dick)

So you can understand my dismay, being the pillar of the
spectrum community Ive tried to be (also found out today I
inadvertently fucked a fellow wisp on a bad choice I made
with no follow up, I owned it with him and will be working