Re: [AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

[Steve Jones]

you want six cables in one hole or 6 holes? 1/2 inch glands is what i use
on single cables, available at any hardware store, they have like 3/4"
thread, so the lock nut would affix. Theyre cheaper in bulk than a hardware
store, like 6 for 30 bucks at hardware store or 50 for 100 bucks in bulk
online

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> A 1" conduit bulkhead connector will do the trick. Attach a short length
> of conduit on the outside with a sweep.
>
> If the nipple on the bulkhead connector is not long enough, you can get
> longer nipples at any hardware store (1" though 3 or 4 inches).
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/25/2018 1:43 PM, Mike Davis wrote:
>
> Any suggestions on where to get a cable wall pass-through for a 1/2" steel
> plate? I am out of ideas of where to try. I need to get 6 cat cables from
> the inside of a water tower to the outside at the top of the tower.
> --
> *Mike Davis*
> General Manager
> Office: 260-349-1799
> Email: *mikeda...@allianceinternet.net *
>
> *Alliance Internet Communications* | www.allianceinternet.net
> PO Box 1100 | 1220 South Wayne Street | Angola, IN | 46703
> 
> | 260-349-1799
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SOHO router hack

[Steve Jones]

or use a drop all input rule with ACL, pretty much the bees knees next to
not having a public IP

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> Mikrotiks are affected too please upgrade your firmware and keep your
> firewall updated on routers with Public IP's
>
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 7:19 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the
>> malware.  Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is
>> the best fix.
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/
>> 05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-
>> infecting-500k-devices/
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] SOHO router hack

[Timothy Steele]

Mikrotiks are affected too please upgrade your firmware and keep your
firewall updated on routers with Public IP's

On Fri, May 25, 2018, 7:19 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the
> malware.  Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is
> the best fix.
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-infecting-500k-devices/
>
>

[AFMUG] too much downtilt and destructive multipath

[Steve Jones]

so i had a site hung for me, 5ghz epmp, 5.1. Its always had mad fading,
like 20 db through the day. i sent the contractors up today and they were
hung a little low elevation, only like 1.2 degree

they corrected it, I see an average drop in rssi of 2-3db at the
subscribers, but as yet there has been no fluctuation.
the worst affected were in the 4-7 mile range

I suspect these customers need to be re-aligned and we will see the
expected  linkplanner numbers, I think they were peaked to a reflection
that faded throughout the day

If this is a correct assumption, could somebody with better brain bits put
this into words for me to describe to others (boss and contractors in
particular) what is happenning with cancellation throughout the day as
temperatures and reflectivity changes

Re: [AFMUG] cambium POE brick

[Chuck McCown]

always use protection... yeah, good advice...

From: Dave 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cambium POE brick

Bump,
the answer is no it does not and be sure to use additional surge protection 
Thank you cambium for the answer :)



On 05/25/2018 08:30 AM, Dave wrote:

  I am curious about the POE brick for the epmp units to see if they have some 
layer of surge protection in them.
  Does anyone know if the PN:N000900L001B POE injector has this?



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Re: [AFMUG] N-connector Patch

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Agreed, but the way their warehouse fees work it’s best to order them in 
quantity or with other gear.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On May 25, 2018, at 7:04 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> 
> Kp performance
> 
>> On May 25, 2018 4:50 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
>> What is everyone using for a source of N-connector patch cables?  18
>> inch to 24 inch range for connecting say a Cambium PTP450 to dish etc.

[AFMUG] SOHO router hack

[Sean Heskett]

FBI recommends users at a minimum reboot their router to kill the malware.
Factory default, upgrade firmware and change passwords etc. is the best fix.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/fbi-tells-router-users-to-reboot-now-to-kill-malware-infecting-500k-devices/

Re: [AFMUG] N-connector Patch

[Colin Stanners]

Kp performance
On May 25, 2018 4:50 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> What is everyone using for a source of N-connector patch cables?  18
> inch to 24 inch range for connecting say a Cambium PTP450 to dish etc.
>

[AFMUG] N-connector Patch

[Matt]

What is everyone using for a source of N-connector patch cables?  18
inch to 24 inch range for connecting say a Cambium PTP450 to dish etc.

Re: [AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

[Bill Prince]

A 1" conduit bulkhead connector will do the trick. Attach a short length 
of conduit on the outside with a sweep.


If the nipple on the bulkhead connector is not long enough, you can get 
longer nipples at any hardware store (1" though 3 or 4 inches).


bp


On 5/25/2018 1:43 PM, Mike Davis wrote:


Any suggestions on where to get a cable wall pass-through for a 1/2" 
steel plate? I am out of ideas of where to try. I need to get 6 cat 
cables from the inside of a water tower to the outside at the top of 
the tower.


--
*Mike Davis*
General Manager
Office: 260-349-1799
Email: _mikeda...@allianceinternet.net 
_


*Alliance Internet Communications* | www.allianceinternet.net 


PO Box 1100 | 1220 South Wayne Street | Angola, IN | 46703 | 260-349-1799

[AFMUG] Multiple cable wall pass-through

[Mike Davis]

Any suggestions on where to get a cable wall pass-through for a 1/2" 
steel plate? I am out of ideas of where to try. I need to get 6 cat 
cables from the inside of a water tower to the outside at the top of the 
tower.


--
*Mike Davis*
General Manager
Office: 260-349-1799
Email: _mikeda...@allianceinternet.net 
_


*Alliance Internet Communications* | www.allianceinternet.net 


PO Box 1100 | 1220 South Wayne Street | Angola, IN | 46703 | 260-349-1799

[AFMUG] For sale: Canopy PMP450i 900mhz APs

[Mathew Howard]

I have a couple of brand new PMP-450i 900mhz APs, sitting on the shelf,
that it doesn't look like we'll be deploying at this point. $2100/each
shipped.

No antennas or accessories, other than what comes in the box with the AP
included.

Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

[Josh Luthman]

Curious if the AFX 2.4 made it any better.  Especially if we can see the
where the signal went comparing the -71 of an 802.11n radio.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> If you want a 900mhz spectrum analyzer, there are lots of options. You
> could get a UBNT radio pretty cheap or Canopy FSK radio for next to nothing
> that'll do the job just fine.
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Midpoints is what we try to get in these situations. If the customer is
>> worth having, it's great, they handle the funny business with the midpoint
>> property owner (usually they pay for that customers service) and it leaves
>> you the ability to serve other customers on the other side of the tree line.
>>
>> Fyi Ubnt used to have a 900 mhz USB spectrum analyzer. I put mine in a
>> small project box with 10' usb and small adapter to N on an 11dbi yagi with
>> a screwdriver through the hole as a handle. Worked great for checking noise
>> and tracing interference for under 60 bucks. Better than investing in 450
>> and it sitting on your shelf because the electric company wants to remotely
>> rape people.
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:52 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe leapfrog with some back to back rockets or picos or whatever is
>>> cheap at the treeline.  Solar powered.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 12:49 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link
>>>
>>> Yeah... but that only works if you have property access.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 700’ of cable and use as high capacity radios as you want.  It really
 is not that far if you have property access.

 *From:* Eric Kuhnke
 *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:46 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

 Probably worth getting a spectrum analyzer that has 900 in its range,
 and a 900 yagi, before spending the $2700+ on a 450i 900 AP and antenna.

 For the original poster's problem I would try, if possible, moving up
 to 3' dishes on both ends, and ac based radios. And using a 10 MHz channel.
 Might have a better chance of getting a signal like -61 (not -71) and
 through "some" trees.

 On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> The problem with 900mhz, is that you never know if it's actually going
> to work in any given area until you try it.  If there are 900mhz smart
> meters around, don't even bother... but even if there aren't, 900mhz can 
> be
> pretty unpredictable in my experience. If you do go 900mhz, PTP450 is
> definitely the best option.
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>
>> 900 PTP 450 with KP Performance Antennas, I run mine 3 miles
>> completely NLOS on 7 MHZ and it runs fine to my house.  During heavy rain
>> and through heavy foliage (Currently) this is what I am getting
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, The 450i 900 system would definately do the trick
>>> How much bandwidth do you need?
>>> The 900 on a 10Mhz channel we see around 35Mbs in a noisy
>>> environment on 8x/4xmimoB rate.
>>> If your doing ptp with it then open it up to 20Mhz wide and bang on.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/21/2018 10:49 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok. I'll give those a try and see what happens. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2018 9:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> You could very likely get a bit more speed out of that by going to
>>> the new AC radios... my guess is that the airFibers would be even 
>>> better,
>>> but I haven't used any of those in the 2.4ghz variety.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Travis Johnson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The current signal level is -71. I have a 2ft dish on each side.

 Travis


 On 5/21/2018 9:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Yeah... 900mhz PTP 450 is probably the best option.

 What kind of signal level do you get with the 2.4ghz radios? you
 could probably get a bit more out of it by going to airFiber 2x or 
 Rocket
 2AC radios... and maybe a bigger dish.

 On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
 jeffl...@att.net> wrote:

> 900 PTP 450 from Cambium
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Josh Luthman]

We sent a couple in and got them replaced.  Blue one works just fine but
the red one needs a zip tie for the cat5 (again).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:17 AM, David Coudron  wrote:

> Yep, we use the Powerlink for installs as well.   With that, the entire
> install process can be done from the phone, which makes things very
> portable and quick.   We use the mAP for tower tech work.  The only issue
> we have with the Powerlinks is that they can be a little fragile, we really
> have to protect the Ethernet ports or they break.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2018 2:21 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop
>
>
>
> We love the bigger Powerlink (wouldn't waste time on the smaller one)
>
>
>
> Work trucks have Toughbooks.  There are some holes in them and all kinds
> of dropped on concrete scuffs.  They still work.  We'll replace them when
> they get super slow/battery doesn't last a work day.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> +1 we also use Powerlink, and they are amazing.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Dave  wrote:
>
> We started using the Powerlink from link technologies.
> So far our guys love em. The POE and wireless are built in.
> a full charge will last them the whole day.
>
>
>
> On 05/21/2018 01:10 PM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> Very true.   However, we found that if we have to carry the USB dongle
> anyway, that carrying the mAP instead gave us much more freedom and
> reliability (the USB dongles seemed a little flaky, if they got pulled
> sideways in the port, they didn’t work).   We could even sit in the truck
> and work on the equipment without having to run a cable to cabinet, etc.
> Or have two techs connected to the cabinet at the same time.   However,
> there are lots of ways to skin this cat as you mention   Probably the
> biggest thing is that you can connect to the network using a phone rather
> than just an ethernet port based device like a laptop.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af   * On Behalf Of *
> Dave
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop
>
>
>
> USB ethernet fixes that :)
>
> On 05/21/2018 09:12 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> We have been using the Mikrotik mAP in the same fashion as Steve mentions
> with some pretty good results.   Put IP addresses on the one interface as
> needed and then connect wirelessly.   We were killing EIthernet ports too
> often due to the stiffer shielded patch cables and cable runs on our tower
> sites.   They just put too much pressure on kinds of Ethernet ports many
> laptops have.  Now, it is getting tougher to find a decently thin laptop
> with an Ethernet port anyway.
>
>
>
> Additionally the techs are doing everything they can from their phones
> these days.   Normal Mimosa installs are entirely phone based.   Our main
> tech avoids the laptop like the plague.   We can firmware update the client
> radios, configure the radio, make the customer active in Powercode, etc all
> from the phone.   We really only use the laptop and mAP for tower work now,
> and much of that has moved to the phones too.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af   * On Behalf Of *Nate
> Burke
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 9:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop
>
>
>
> I've thought about the air-router approach, but probably 90% of my
> mikrotik work is with MAC-Winbox, setting up new routers.
>
> I just found the Acer Travelmate Spin B1.  $330.  Might pick one of those
> up and see how it works.
>
> On 5/21/2018 8:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I paid 1500 for my Toshiba tecra (not toughbook) like 6 or 7 years ago,
> it's been through he'll in the field, roofs, grain elevators, rain, drops,
> left running in the bag and getting hot. It's on its 3rd battery, fourth
> keyboard, but runs strong and never fails, even has serial port. Price
> could have been less but I wanted the biggest processor because at the time
> I was running multiple VMs.
>
>
>
> Lenovo are decent, the antiglare  is still visiblish in the sun. The keys
> fall off and batteries don't last, Ether net is questionable, but God only
> knows what the techs stuck into it or settings they jacked up.
>
>
>
> Other than the need for wireshark occasionally, a cheap air router to
> 

Re: [AFMUG] cambium POE brick

[Dave]

Bump,
 the answer is no it does not and be sure to use additional surge 
protection

Thank you cambium for the answer :)


On 05/25/2018 08:30 AM, Dave wrote:
I am curious about the POE brick for the epmp units to see if they 
have some layer of surge protection in them.

Does anyone know if the PN:N000900L001B POE injector has this?


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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon 5G Deployment Video

[Eric Muehleisen]

It'd be interesting to see what the uplink stats are like. Must not be too
bad if it can process a couple meg of ACK packets.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 9:04 AM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Interesting video of Verizon's 5G testing and deployment.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=169=jnyG2bliKCs
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

[AFMUG] tower assembly in Northern WI

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I am looking for someone to stack two Rohn 65 towers in Northern WI. Towers
are 140' and the site will be completely prepped ahead of time. Concrete
work will all be done and the towers will be on site waiting. We have talked
to one company from Lower WI so far but they are doing a lot of large
cellular constructions this summer and priced these two in a similar range.
I took the quotes as they didn't want to be doing these small of jobs.  

If anyone knows of someone of if anyone on the list is interested in this
they can hit me off list for more details. If you are out of the area and
willing to travel up give me a shout as well might be able to make it work. 

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

[AFMUG] Verizon 5G Deployment Video

[Darin Steffl]

Interesting video of Verizon's 5G testing and deployment.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=169=jnyG2bliKCs


-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] AF11x to Remec/APEX etc adapters

[chuck]

Noted.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11x to Remec/APEX etc adapters

Interested

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/23/2018 2:55:36 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] AF11x to Remec/APEX etc adapters

  If you have asked me for this product please let me know.  We are getting 
some beta quantities going now and I never kept really good track of those that 
want to be on the list.  So a list now exists and there is even a person 
managing the list that will expedite fulfillment.  

  Too many irons in the fire

[AFMUG] cambium POE brick

[Dave]

I am curious about the POE brick for the epmp units to see if they have 
some layer of surge protection in them.

Does anyone know if the PN:N000900L001B POE injector has this?


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