Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[Chuck McCown]

Price?

From: Mitch Koep 
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 6:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

https://www.ospinsight.com/desktop-overview




On 6/1/2018 4:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

  QGIS is very useful and open source (as in free).

  Nothing specific for fiber mapping in it but it could pretty easily be used 
for it if I was ambitious enough to put all the info in.

  Mark



On Jun 1, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

For basic needs, the advantage of doing mapping using Google Earth Pro is 
that most "serious" GIS packages support import and export to/from the XML 
format Google Earth uses. A line on the map on Google Earth or a 
multi-segmented line is just a collection of vector placemarks in a XML file 
with lat/long coordinates, with metadata describing the thickness of the line, 
the color of the line, how many intermediate points are on the line, and so 
forth.  

The best organizational advice I can give is to use folders and subfolders 
in Google Earth Pro appropriately to sort projects, so that you don't end up 
with a single folder that contains 500 unnamed lines. Might look fine when 
viewed on a map but can become an organization nightmare.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

  Last topic I see on this was from 2014. So maybe it’s time to review and 
ask again? What are you guys using for fiber mapping, now in 2018? 

  In 2014 I read:
  Craig was doing google earth and excel sheets.
  Chuck Hogg was using Manifold (kinda), and some Google Maps Engine.
  Mike H was using ArcMap for his clients.
  A few other google sheets. 


  What’s changed, what’s new, what’re you using today? Same as before?  
Something different? Why?


  -c

[AFMUG] OT TV Show

[Chuck McCown]

American Chopper is back.  Mondays.  Watched the first two episodes tonight.  
Philo.  $16/month

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[Brian Webster]

Yes QGIS is a great program and since it is open source you will find a lot of 
support and how to articles. Not as simple as Google Earth Pro but it has a lot 
more power. A real professional GIS platform. The key to its flexibility are 
the plugins you can download. Plan on spending some time reading through each 
of those descriptions to see if there are features you want. It certainly has a 
learning curve as does any mapping program. On the higher level you can 
actually connect to most database platforms so if you plan on managing your 
plant with more than spreadsheets you can keep both the mapping and database 
tied together as one.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

 

QGIS is very useful and open source (as in free).   

 

Nothing specific for fiber mapping in it but it could pretty easily be used for 
it if I was ambitious enough to put all the info in.

 

Mark





On Jun 1, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

 

For basic needs, the advantage of doing mapping using Google Earth Pro is that 
most "serious" GIS packages support import and export to/from the XML format 
Google Earth uses. A line on the map on Google Earth or a multi-segmented line 
is just a collection of vector placemarks in a XML file with lat/long 
coordinates, with metadata describing the thickness of the line, the color of 
the line, how many intermediate points are on the line, and so forth. 

 

The best organizational advice I can give is to use folders and subfolders in 
Google Earth Pro appropriately to sort projects, so that you don't end up with 
a single folder that contains 500 unnamed lines. Might look fine when viewed on 
a map but can become an organization nightmare.

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

Last topic I see on this was from 2014. So maybe it’s time to review and ask 
again? What are you guys using for fiber mapping, now in 2018?

 

In 2014 I read:

Craig was doing google earth and excel sheets.

Chuck Hogg was using Manifold (kinda), and some Google Maps Engine.

Mike H was using ArcMap for his clients.

A few other google sheets. 

 

What’s changed, what’s new, what’re you using today? Same as before?  Something 
different? Why?





-c




 

 

Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

[David M]

Heck yeah ripped one of those out back on '03..

Looked like a hold my beer watch this moment LOL



On 5/30/2018 2:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
lynksees router in a rubbermaid container and lots of rtv.  Zip tie to 
power pole.

*From:* Dennis Burgess
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RV park network design

We do this all of the time, design, sell you hardware, help you with 
configuration, etc, everything.  Give us a call  314-735-0270…


Dennis

*From:*Af  *On Behalf Of *castarritt
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:08 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] RV park network design

We were approached by a current subscriber who is building an RV park 
with around ~100 pads, and he wants us to offer service to his 
tenants.  This isn't the typical situation where we would sell service 
to the RV park, and they handle distributing it to their customers.  
He wants to avoid providing wi-fi himself, and will instead let us 
charge every client that wants service separately. Also, this isn't a 
campground; his shortest lease term will be monthly.


While the park is under construction, he is willing to let us lay 
conduit, so we could provide wired service to each pad if we wanted 
to.  Alternatively, we could just setup a bunch of wi-fi APs.  One 
potential complication is that we have a fairly busy cluster of 5g 
PMP450s a couple hundred yards from this RV park, so while wired 
service could be more reliable for the park tenants, the potential for 
100 customer wi-fi routers we can't control operating within sight of 
our PMP450 POP sounds like the stuff of nightmares.


We are leaning more towards a wi-fi option due to better control over 
spectrum, as well as avoiding maintenance of 100 outdoor ethernet 
ports that the customers would be plugging into, but we are open to 
suggestions.


Also, assuming wi-fi is the correct answer, does anyone have any 
equipment recommendations?  The park is about 400' by 900'.  I was 
looking at either doing a whole bunch of low end APs, or maybe ~8 
sectors.  We haven't used any of the Cambium wi-fi gear yet, but the 
cnPilot E501S looks interesting.


Thank you,

Chris Starritt

Western Broadband

supp...@ecpi.com

512-257-1077

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[Mitch Koep]

https://www.ospinsight.com/desktop-overview


On 6/1/2018 4:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

QGIS is very useful and open source (as in free).

Nothing specific for fiber mapping in it but it could pretty easily be 
used for it if I was ambitious enough to put all the info in.


Mark

On Jun 1, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


For basic needs, the advantage of doing mapping using Google Earth 
Pro is that most "serious" GIS packages support import and export 
to/from the XML format Google Earth uses. A line on the map on Google 
Earth or a multi-segmented line is just a collection of vector 
placemarks in a XML file with lat/long coordinates, with metadata 
describing the thickness of the line, the color of the line, how many 
intermediate points are on the line, and so forth.


The best organizational advice I can give is to use folders and 
subfolders in Google Earth Pro appropriately to sort projects, so 
that you don't end up with a single folder that contains 500 unnamed 
lines. Might look fine when viewed on a map but can become an 
organization nightmare.


On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cassidy B. Larson > wrote:


Last topic I see on this was from 2014. So maybe it’s time to
review and ask again? What are you guys using for fiber mapping,
now in 2018?

In 2014 I read:
Craig was doing google earth and excel sheets.
Chuck Hogg was using Manifold (kinda), and some Google Maps Engine.
Mike H was using ArcMap for his clients.
A few other google sheets.

What’s changed, what’s new, what’re you using today? Same as
before?  Something different? Why?

-c

[AFMUG] Looking for toughswitches.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I would like to get a collection of toughswitches for my bench to basically
be able to replicate the issues with them - so I can verify any switch
product I may or may not be working on doesn't suffer the same issues.

Does anyone have some of these headed for the dumpster that I can salvage?

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Rory Conaway]

The B24 also uses a lot less power and is smaller/lighter.

Rory

From: Af  On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

The B24 is solid up to about 1.5 miles in dry weather.  Past that, it’s going 
to be affected more by the weather than the AF24 but it also starts off with a 
higher throughput rate.  Will be interesting to see how that pans out in the 
real world.

Rory

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Mike 
Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
Midwest Internet Exchange
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
The Brothers WISP
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]




From: "Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?

On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Sam 
Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

Hey all,

Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.

Thanks

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Rory Conaway]

The B24 is solid up to about 1.5 miles in dry weather.  Past that, it’s going 
to be affected more by the weather than the AF24 but it also starts off with a 
higher throughput rate.  Will be interesting to see how that pans out in the 
real world.

Rory

From: Af  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
Midwest Internet Exchange
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
The Brothers WISP
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]




From: "Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?

On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Sam 
Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

Hey all,

Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.

Thanks

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[Mark Radabaugh]

QGIS is very useful and open source (as in free).   

Nothing specific for fiber mapping in it but it could pretty easily be used for 
it if I was ambitious enough to put all the info in.

Mark

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> For basic needs, the advantage of doing mapping using Google Earth Pro is 
> that most "serious" GIS packages support import and export to/from the XML 
> format Google Earth uses. A line on the map on Google Earth or a 
> multi-segmented line is just a collection of vector placemarks in a XML file 
> with lat/long coordinates, with metadata describing the thickness of the 
> line, the color of the line, how many intermediate points are on the line, 
> and so forth. 
> 
> The best organizational advice I can give is to use folders and subfolders in 
> Google Earth Pro appropriately to sort projects, so that you don't end up 
> with a single folder that contains 500 unnamed lines. Might look fine when 
> viewed on a map but can become an organization nightmare.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  > wrote:
> Last topic I see on this was from 2014. So maybe it’s time to review and ask 
> again? What are you guys using for fiber mapping, now in 2018?
> 
> In 2014 I read:
> Craig was doing google earth and excel sheets.
> Chuck Hogg was using Manifold (kinda), and some Google Maps Engine.
> Mike H was using ArcMap for his clients.
> A few other google sheets. 
> 
> What’s changed, what’s new, what’re you using today? Same as before?  
> Something different? Why?
> 
> -c
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[Eric Kuhnke]

For basic needs, the advantage of doing mapping using Google Earth Pro is
that most "serious" GIS packages support import and export to/from the XML
format Google Earth uses. A line on the map on Google Earth or a
multi-segmented line is just a collection of vector placemarks in a XML
file with lat/long coordinates, with metadata describing the thickness of
the line, the color of the line, how many intermediate points are on the
line, and so forth.

The best organizational advice I can give is to use folders and subfolders
in Google Earth Pro appropriately to sort projects, so that you don't end
up with a single folder that contains 500 unnamed lines. Might look fine
when viewed on a map but can become an organization nightmare.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> Last topic I see on this was from 2014. So maybe it’s time to review and
> ask again? What are you guys using for fiber mapping, now in 2018?
>
> In 2014 I read:
> Craig was doing google earth and excel sheets.
> Chuck Hogg was using Manifold (kinda), and some Google Maps Engine.
> Mike H was using ArcMap for his clients.
> A few other google sheets.
>
> What’s changed, what’s new, what’re you using today? Same as before?
> Something different? Why?
>
> -c
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[chuck]

I have given up on Mapcom M4.
AutoCad for staking sheets and if you want to combine it with a database it can 
do much more.
I prefer to do everything in Google Earth, but would like to add the database 
functions to it.  

The State of Utah rolled their own and it is really nice.  Google Earth based.  

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

Last topic I see on this was from 2014. So maybe it’s time to review and ask 
again? What are you guys using for fiber mapping, now in 2018? 

In 2014 I read:
Craig was doing google earth and excel sheets.
Chuck Hogg was using Manifold (kinda), and some Google Maps Engine.
Mike H was using ArcMap for his clients.
A few other google sheets. 


What’s changed, what’s new, what’re you using today? Same as before?  Something 
different? Why?


-c

[AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Last topic I see on this was from 2014. So maybe it’s time to review and ask 
again? What are you guys using for fiber mapping, now in 2018?

In 2014 I read:
Craig was doing google earth and excel sheets.
Chuck Hogg was using Manifold (kinda), and some Google Maps Engine.
Mike H was using ArcMap for his clients.
A few other google sheets. 

What’s changed, what’s new, what’re you using today? Same as before?  Something 
different? Why?

-c

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

[Dave]

Ahh.. ok thanks for the background..
I dont run much of any thing in dfs bands so not aware of those types of 
issues.



On 06/01/2018 09:47 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
TX power and antenna gains are set correctly. I'll give you some 
context. I spent a month working with Cambium support last year on why 
a brand new 450i AP, with no SM's registered, would go into constant 
DFS. No rhyme or reason. Up to 10 times per day. Firmware 15.1.1. The 
ticket was left unresolved.


BTW, I took Sean's advice and downgraded an couple AP's from 15.1.1 to 
15.0.2 and the false detection's have completely stopped. If you'd 
like to know just how rampant the issue is, just search the Cambium 
forums for 450+DFS. You'll get an idea of how bad things have gotten.


On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:02 AM Dave > wrote:


Ok, So DFS?
If your antenna/dish gains are set correctly in each link at each
end setting correct power level should be a breeze.
Reflections from your own link can cause events to occur if this
is not set correctly. Also, Ensure there are no other overlapping
links or nearby radios on the same or near channel.

2cents



On 05/30/2018 03:56 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:

This is interesting. I definitely want to be in compliance, but I
also know that these detection are 100% false. We have redundant
AP's on the same tower mounted at the same height pointing the
same direction, but 20mhz apart, and they don't trip DFS. It's
like there is a magical packet or multipath event that causes
this. We may have to give 15.0.2 a try.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:48 PM Darren Shea mailto:darr...@ecpi.com>> wrote:

I’ll vouch for Sean’s experience on these – we also had to
roll back a bunch of DFS 15.1-15.1.3 APs to 15.0.2 to deal
with a ridiculous level of false radar detections. I haven’t
yet tried 15.1.5 on any of those, but there wasn’t any
indication they dealt with that in release notes.

nDarren

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 3:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

15.0.2 is the least finicky with DFS.  above that cambium
changed the code to be more restrictive to meet new FCC rules
(or something like that)

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Eric Muehleisen
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If someone has the holy grail on what firmware for reducing
DFS on 450. I'd love to hear it. We are on 15.1.1 and the
false DFS hits are killing us lately. See attached. This is
one AP for the past couple days. It's been terrible around here.

DFS_450.png

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:35 PM can...@believewireless.net
 mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:

​For ePMP it depends on the version number. 2.6.2.1 had
very stable DFS performance and for APs where we saw
issues, we have left

it there. Some links are working fine on the latest
firmware though.​

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, George Skorup
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

My experience is exactly the opposite here. ePMP seems
more sensitive to DFS events. By far.

On 5/30/2018 12:25 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Anyone noticed that apparently the Epmp radios are less
prone to DFS events? Im assuming most are false caused by
RF interference, but I see way less events on Epmp than
on 450� Will have to do a side by side study.�

�

/*Gino A. Villarini*/

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

*Error! Filename not specified.*



-- 



--

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

[Eric Muehleisen]

TX power and antenna gains are set correctly. I'll give you some context. I
spent a month working with Cambium support last year on why a brand new
450i AP, with no SM's registered, would go into constant DFS. No rhyme or
reason. Up to 10 times per day. Firmware 15.1.1. The ticket was left
unresolved.

BTW, I took Sean's advice and downgraded an couple AP's from 15.1.1 to
15.0.2 and the false detection's have completely stopped. If you'd like to
know just how rampant the issue is, just search the Cambium forums for
450+DFS. You'll get an idea of how bad things have gotten.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:02 AM Dave  wrote:

> Ok, So DFS?
> If your antenna/dish gains are set correctly in each link at each end
> setting correct power level should be a breeze.
> Reflections from your own link can cause events to occur if this is not
> set correctly. Also, Ensure there are no other overlapping links or nearby
> radios on the same or near channel.
>
> 2cents
>
>
>
> On 05/30/2018 03:56 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>
> This is interesting. I definitely want to be in compliance, but I also
> know that these detection are 100% false. We have redundant AP's on the
> same tower mounted at the same height pointing the same direction, but
> 20mhz apart, and they don't trip DFS. It's like there is a magical packet
> or multipath event that causes this. We may have to give 15.0.2 a try.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:48 PM Darren Shea  wrote:
>
>> I’ll vouch for Sean’s experience on these – we also had to roll back a
>> bunch of DFS 15.1-15.1.3 APs to 15.0.2 to deal with a ridiculous level of
>> false radar detections. I haven’t yet tried 15.1.5 on any of those, but
>> there wasn’t any indication they dealt with that in release notes.
>>
>>
>>
>> n  Darren
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 3:45 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events
>>
>>
>>
>> 15.0.2 is the least finicky with DFS.  above that cambium changed the
>> code to be more restrictive to meet new FCC rules (or something like that)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If someone has the holy grail on what firmware for reducing DFS on 450.
>> I'd love to hear it. We are on 15.1.1 and the false DFS hits are killing us
>> lately. See attached. This is one AP for the past couple days. It's been
>> terrible around here.
>>
>> [image: DFS_450.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:35 PM can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> ​For ePMP it depends on the version number. 2.6.2.1 had very stable DFS
>> performance and for APs where we saw issues, we have left
>>
>> it there. Some links are working fine on the latest firmware though.​
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>> My experience is exactly the opposite here. ePMP seems more sensitive to
>> DFS events. By far.
>>
>> On 5/30/2018 12:25 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>
>> Anyone noticed that apparently the Epmp radios are less prone to DFS
>> events? Im assuming most are false caused by RF interference, but I see way
>> less events on Epmp than on 450� Will have to do a side by side study.�
>>
>> �
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> *Error! Filename not specified.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Joe Novak]

I went to go look at the block diagram and they have it locked down sadly.
Someone should open it up and see what magic they ended up coming up with.
It seems like the Baseband/MAC layer can be separated from the "radio"
portion of the QSR1000 chipset, which does make it a different ballgame
like Fasial mentioned, but I would really like to know if this is really
the case.

Reference:

http://www.quantenna.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/QV940-V1.5.pdf

(there is several more products in the family -
http://www.quantenna.com/products/QSR1000/)


Here is a internal shot of the B11, but the pictures are not detailed
enough to actually see the numbers on what would be the 'radio' portion.

https://fccid.io/2ABZJ-100-00036/Internal-Photos/Internal-Photos-2829434



On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Tell Ubnt that in 3ghz
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018, 5:43 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> >>FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions.
>>
>> and that is because they are not !
>>
>> contrary to popular thinking .. using an underlying protocol chip-set is
>> equal to freq conversation...
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:52:20 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> FWIW: I haven't heard any issues with Mimosa's frequency conversions.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:47:19 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> for the love of god, stop upconverting things
>>
>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:
>>>
>>> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything
>>> near line rate.
>>>
>>> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature
>>> of the radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic
>>> tests which require an FDD radio.
>>>
>>> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160
>>> byte fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x
>>> 500 Mbps on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz >> > wrote:
>>>
 B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
   1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
   2) need small size radio
   3) need low power consumption
   4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
   5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq /
 interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
   6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
   7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial
 intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).

 B24 is NOT for situations where  !
1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
3) You have symmetric traffic  (i.e duplex )
4) You need a larger Radio  a
5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 http://www.snappytelecom.net

 Tel: 305 663 5518  x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net

 --

 *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
 *To: *"Animal Farm" 
 *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

 I am in El Paso...real men don't need water

 Jaime Solorza

 On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
 wrote:

> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In
> rane zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 
> 1-1.5
> miles.
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

[Dave]

Ok, So DFS?
If your antenna/dish gains are set correctly in each link at each end 
setting correct power level should be a breeze.
Reflections from your own link can cause events to occur if this is not 
set correctly. Also, Ensure there are no other overlapping links or 
nearby radios on the same or near channel.


2cents



On 05/30/2018 03:56 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
This is interesting. I definitely want to be in compliance, but I also 
know that these detection are 100% false. We have redundant AP's on 
the same tower mounted at the same height pointing the same direction, 
but 20mhz apart, and they don't trip DFS. It's like there is a magical 
packet or multipath event that causes this. We may have to give 15.0.2 
a try.


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:48 PM Darren Shea > wrote:


I’ll vouch for Sean’s experience on these – we also had to roll
back a bunch of DFS 15.1-15.1.3 APs to 15.0.2 to deal with a
ridiculous level of false radar detections. I haven’t yet tried
15.1.5 on any of those, but there wasn’t any indication they dealt
with that in release notes.

nDarren

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 3:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

15.0.2 is the least finicky with DFS.  above that cambium changed
the code to be more restrictive to meet new FCC rules (or
something like that)

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Eric Muehleisen
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If someone has the holy grail on what firmware for reducing DFS on
450. I'd love to hear it. We are on 15.1.1 and the false DFS hits
are killing us lately. See attached. This is one AP for the past
couple days. It's been terrible around here.

DFS_450.png

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:35 PM can...@believewireless.net
 mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:

​For ePMP it depends on the version number. 2.6.2.1 had very
stable DFS performance and for APs where we saw issues, we
have left

it there. Some links are working fine on the latest firmware
though.​

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, George Skorup
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>>
wrote:

My experience is exactly the opposite here. ePMP seems more
sensitive to DFS events. By far.

On 5/30/2018 12:25 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Anyone noticed that apparently the Epmp radios are less prone
to DFS events? Im assuming most are false caused by RF
interference, but I see way less events on Epmp than on 450�
Will have to do a side by side study.�

�

/*Gino A. Villarini*/

President

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